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bankerella
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,863
 
Points)
 on 9/7/12 at 3:00pm
What A Girl Needs.jpg

mod (Andy) note: in honor of Carney posting this back up on CNBC today, I thought it'd be good to have it back up on WSO for those who missed it, and to keep Bankerella's groupies ("Bankerella's boys") happy

Okay, today's advice comes with a dirty little secret.

One thing a banker girl (or any 20-something single chick working 80+ hours a week in a stressful environment) needs is the ability to occasionally have some fun with with very little advance notice and with no strings attached.

(Sure, the perfect girl is a bastion of sexual morality and never dates anyone casually, but that's just not relevant here.) So as a banker chick, you need to get maximum hedonic return on the few hours you have left to yourself, and let's face it, those hours aren't enough to gently nurture a budding but delicate relationship. You need to be strategic about how you use that time, so you need to find people (or a person) who can do the same.

If you're reasonably hot, you'll have no lack of candidates for the role. It's like a resume screen: you need to apply some sort of quick initial test to focus in on candidates who are more likely to be rock stars.

So here are my rankings, based on my own experiences and the experiences of a few friends.

Bear in mind, this is not exactly a scientific sample. (And guys, if my description doesn't fit your dating style, don't feel like I'm dissing you personally. All that means is that you're probably not a part of the sample.)

So. First, you could go with a fellow banker. I give the banker guy one star out of three. Pros: not clingy, spends money. Cons: Frequently not available. Work is always top-of-mind. Things stall when work gets heavy. Unfortunate tendency to end phone calls with "Thanks. Bye." Also, there's just too much room for comparison. There's just no way to not compare status, deals, money. You have to be okay with that going in.

PE guy: 2 stars. Same pros as the banker guy with fewer cons, more confidence, and more free time.

Consultant guy: 1.5 stars. Pros: Has lots and lots of miles and points. Stays out of your hair Monday through Thursday. Cons: Who cares about miles and points? Frequently not there when needed. Uses a mouse. Has an inflated opinion of the importance of his work. And just as things are hitting a good rhythm, he gets transferred or restaffed to some other city.

PWM guy: One star. Pros: Knows all the good restaurants, expenses everything. Cons: Too fake, too fratty, too status-oriented, seems to put girls into two buckets: marriage material and date rape territory. Talks endlessly. Can't be squeezed into a two-hour time slot.

Hedge fund guy: my sample is weak here; would benchmark him to PE guy with potential upside based on role, experience, and personality.

Trader guy: Three stars. Pros: transactional awareness, speed, bandwidth, value/time ratio, ability to close out the trade and walk away without drama. Typically feel they have something to prove, like to throw money around. Cons: Slightly scruffier than the guys above. Thinks that traders (rather than bankers) are masters of the universe. Keeps comparing his best month's earnings to your average month; sometimes "forgets" to add in your bonus. (It's not discretionary! It's a sure thing!) Most importantly: when he has a bad day, it's a really bad day.

Net-net, I obviously think traders carry the day here. They understand the transaction right out of the gate, they're fun as hell, they don't care about their reputations, they don't work (much) from home, they're usually available, and they're comfortable going 0 to 60 in twenty minutes if that's the order of the day. If they're judgmental about what a girl wants, at least they're smart enough to keep their mouths shut about it.

So, chicas, take Auntie's advice and think about keeping a trader's number on your phone. Oh, and obviously: choose carefully, be discreet, always be a lady in public, and always, always, ALWAYS wrap it up before you ride it.

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  • Condoms are cheaper
  • casual sex
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orangejulius's picture

post ur pic

orangejulius
      CF
 
(Senior Baboon, 237
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 12:45pm

post ur pic

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spaceagecowboy's picture

post it up you yiddishicup.

spaceagecowboy
      HF
 
(Orangutan, 272
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 12:47pm

post it up you yiddishicup.

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UFOinsider's picture

Curious: what about research

UFOinsider
      O
 
(Human, 10,346
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:43pm

Curious: what about research and sales?

YOU JUST GOT TROLLED
http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/dont-you...

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MissNG's picture

I enjoyed that.. thanks for

MissNG
      O
 
(Senior Baboon, 190
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 12:56pm

I enjoyed that.. thanks for sharing bankerella

"Dont compromise yourself; you're all you've got" - Janis Joplin

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IMFUTURE's picture

Thats brilliant. Love the cut

IMFUTURE
      ST
 
(Senior Monkey, 80
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 12:57pm

Thats brilliant. Love the cut straight to it. Big up the traders.

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spaceagecowboy's picture

but its provocative (gets

spaceagecowboy
      HF
 
(Orangutan, 272
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:04pm

but its provocative (gets the people going)

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Ron Paul's picture

Bankerella I love you please

Ron Paul
     
 
(Senior Gorilla, 916
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:10pm

Bankerella I love you please marry me, I will switch careers to trading just to have a shot.

I LOVE YOU

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BlackHat's picture

Having an extremely hard time

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,948
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:11pm

Having an extremely hard time believing there's a girl in the world who doesn't like a little scruff.

I hate victims who respect their executioners

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Tommy Too-toned's picture

You forgot about

Tommy Too-toned
     
 
(Gorilla, 505
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:13pm

You forgot about entrepreneurs.

They're confident, driven, and usually hot. And they know how to transact in a variety of ways, from straight-up to back-side, organic growth to mergers.

Don't you want someone confident calling the shots after dark? You know, someone who's been around the block, seen a lot of things? Or are you more of a mentor?

It comes down to personal preference, but I'll just say that I don't know a lot of traders doing yoga. Entrepreneurs - the hips are loose and battle-ready.

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peterg's picture

You forgot ADCOM guy from MBA

peterg
      IB
 
(Baboon, 140
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:18pm

You forgot ADCOM guy from MBA program at a top-5 school.

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bankerella's picture

Tommy Too-toned: You forgot

bankerella
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,863
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:24pm
Tommy Too-toned:

You forgot about entrepreneurs.

They're confident, driven, and usually hot. And they know how to transact in a variety of ways, from straight-up to back-side, organic growth to mergers.

Don't you want someone confident calling the shots after dark? You know, someone who's been around the block, seen a lot of things? Or are you more of a mentor?

It comes down to personal preference, but I'll just say that I don't know a lot of traders doing yoga. Entrepreneurs - the hips are loose and battle-ready.

Valid point. The major downside I see there is that entrepreneurs are always working, even when they're asleep. The best ones have a vision and a drive that pretty much consumes all available time and mental resources. However, I agree that bring a charming idealism and energy to the table that you can't get anywhere else. So, I should probably consider broadening the sample set a little.

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BlackHat's picture

Tommy Too-toned: You forgot

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,948
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:27pm
Tommy Too-toned:

You forgot about entrepreneurs.

They're confident, driven, and usually hot. And they know how to transact in a variety of ways, from straight-up to back-side, organic growth to mergers.

Don't you want someone confident calling the shots after dark? You know, someone who's been around the block, seen a lot of things? Or are you more of a mentor?

It comes down to personal preference, but I'll just say that I don't know a lot of traders doing yoga. Entrepreneurs - the hips are loose and battle-ready.

Oh yeah - total ballers.

I hate victims who respect their executioners

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txjustin's picture

BlackHat: Having an extremely

txjustin
      O
 
(Neanderthal, 2,447
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:27pm
BlackHat:

Having an extremely hard time believing there's a girl in the world who doesn't like a little scruff.

my wife...

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IRRelevent's picture

"What every banker girl

IRRelevent
      PE
 
(Monkey, 51
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:29pm

"What every banker girl needs";

1. A man.
2. Broom, to clean for man.
3.Oven, to cook for man.

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Frieds's picture

This made me chuckle. And

Frieds
      AM
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,531
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:30pm

This made me chuckle. And it's a pretty good description of most finances types even without the whole hookup thing involved. I'm glad it was on the main page otherwise I wouldn't have seen it. +1 SB for you.

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IRRelevent: "What every

Beretta
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(Orangutan, 358
 
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 on 8/3/12 at 1:37pm
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BTbanker's picture

Who was that babe in the

BTbanker
      IB
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,335
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:37pm

"A man generally has two reasons for doing anything. One that sounds good, and the real one." - J.P. Morgan

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Monkeyfaces's picture

This post def made me laugh a

Monkeyfaces
      ST
 
(Monkey, 54
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:38pm
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Beretta's picture

BTbanker: Who was that babe

Beretta
      ST
 
(Orangutan, 358
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:42pm
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BlackHat's picture

Beretta: BTbanker: Who was

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,948
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:44pm

I hate victims who respect their executioners

Follow BH & Co. on Twitter: @DumbLuckCapital
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BTbanker's picture

BlackHat: Beretta: BTbank

BTbanker
      IB
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,335
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:47pm

"A man generally has two reasons for doing anything. One that sounds good, and the real one." - J.P. Morgan

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帝都大蜜's picture

Surprisingly, I find this

帝都大蜜
     
 
(Baboon, 104
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:47pm

"I already know I'm going to Hell. So, at this point it's go big or go home"

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BTbanker's picture

帝都大蜜: Surprisingly, I find

BTbanker
      IB
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 5,335
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:51pm

"A man generally has two reasons for doing anything. One that sounds good, and the real one." - J.P. Morgan

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Abdel's picture

BlackHat: Beretta: BTbank

Abdel
      O
 
(Neanderthal, 2,064
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:51pm
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BlackHat's picture

Abdel: I saw her in real.

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,948
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 1:59pm

I hate victims who respect their executioners

Follow BH & Co. on Twitter: @DumbLuckCapital
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Abdel's picture

BlackHat: Abdel: I saw her

Abdel
      O
 
(Neanderthal, 2,064
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:04pm
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Unforseen's picture

...and this is why I don't

Unforseen
     
 
 
(King Kong, 1,099
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:05pm

Check out my Blog

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Going Concern's picture

Unforseen: ...and this is why

Going Concern
     
 
 
(King Kong, 1,694
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:07pm

And I think it's gonna be a long, long, time

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Knowledge Kick's picture

This is the most annoying

Knowledge Kick
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 69
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:15pm

http://DollarDrip.com Username: Knowledge Kick

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Frieds's picture

Wait, so to be clear, you're

Frieds
      AM
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,531
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:17pm
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Futures Trader Man's picture

BlackHat: Second picture...

Futures Trader Man
      IB
 
(Orangutan, 299
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:20pm

"Well, you know, I was a human being before I became a businessman." -- George Soros

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huanleshalemei's picture

Haha, very nice post! Why

huanleshalemei
     
 
(Gorilla, 518
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:27pm

The Auto Show

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peterg's picture

Knowledge Kick: This is the

peterg
      IB
 
(Baboon, 140
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:32pm
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SirTradesaLot's picture

huanleshalemei: Haha, very

SirTradesaLot
     
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,509
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:33pm

Turbo leverage for capital explosion -- BD Capital

My WSO Blog

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BlackHat's picture

peterg: Knowledge

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,948
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:34pm

I hate victims who respect their executioners

Follow BH & Co. on Twitter: @DumbLuckCapital
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CDNdude's picture

IRRelevent: "What every

CDNdude
      CF
 
(Senior Monkey, 82
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:38pm
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seville's picture

Unforseen: ...and this is why

seville
     
 
(Senior Orangutan, 436
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:40pm
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sayandarula's picture

if you're looking for a one

sayandarula
      O
 
 
(King Kong, 1,812
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:45pm

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

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West Coast rainmaker's picture

No love for guys in ER?

West Coast rainmaker
      ER
 
 
(Neanderthal, 2,072
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 2:58pm
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Going Concern's picture

West Coast rainmaker: No love

Going Concern
     
 
 
(King Kong, 1,694
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:05pm

And I think it's gonna be a long, long, time

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guerrillagrrl's picture

A good vibe is the only thing

guerrillagrrl
      O
 
 
(Senior Orangutan, 478
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:15pm

WSOCON 2013 - B Scene

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Knowledge Kick's picture

lol at least that has a

Knowledge Kick
     
 
(Senior Monkey, 69
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:19pm

http://DollarDrip.com Username: Knowledge Kick

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IRRelevent's picture

The funny thing about this

IRRelevent
      PE
 
(Monkey, 51
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:20pm
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huanleshalemei's picture

SirPoopsaLot: huanleshaleme

huanleshalemei
     
 
(Gorilla, 518
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:22pm

The Auto Show

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Senvik's picture

Ugh I just want to facepalm

Senvik
     
 
(Senior Baboon, 187
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:30pm

"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." - IlliniProgrammer

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bankerella's picture

West Coast rainmaker: No love

bankerella
      IB
 
 
(King Kong, 1,863
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:31pm

See my other WSO blog posts

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RE Capital Markets's picture

bankerella: Okay, today's

RE Capital Markets
      RE
 
 
(Gorilla, 649
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:36pm

Man made money, money never made the man

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BlackHat's picture

Is this your way of saying

BlackHat
      HF
 
 
(Senior Neanderthal, 4,948
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:42pm

I hate victims who respect their executioners

Follow BH & Co. on Twitter: @DumbLuckCapital
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spaceagecowboy's picture

is this bankerella a yid or

spaceagecowboy
      HF
 
(Orangutan, 272
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 3:44pm
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Seeker's picture

I just have the opinion that

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(Baboon, 135
 
Points)
 on 8/3/12 at 4:01pm
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