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hey guys,

with all the diversity talk does it help to be a gay banker? apparently gays are actively recruited. at my school being gay actually helps you get in...

those on the street are there any BSDs who are openly gay?

or are they mostly in hr and low level positions

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Comments (83)

  • shawnkemp's picture

    the investment banking world is a very conservative and orderly bunch (albeit chaos is an everyday hurdle). Although I personally wouldn't care whether you're taking it up the ass, the banking climate is driven by credibility and trust. I just can't imagine 100% of every company you aim to deal with to accept a banker working on his behalf that has a slight 'flair' to him.

    If you can't deal with 100% of the companies you're not gonna be as sought after as those that can.

  • doddfranky's picture
  • wannab2011's picture

    im not gay im curious if they could have an advantage

  • lbreitst's picture

    Like you said, gay candidates have a very significant advantage getting an offer since banks want to promote diversity. At many places spots are reserved, etc.

    There are gay people at all levels of Wall Street. As high as the ladder goes, there are people who are gay. Anybody who tells you otherwise is ignorant.

  • awm55's picture

    Quite a few on the trading floor where I work. No one makes an issue out of it because they don't make an issue out of it. As long as a purse does not fall out of your mouth every time you speak you generally won't have a problem.

  • ....'s picture

    Unlike banking, which I've heard from many sources can be incredibly homophobic, consulting is very welcoming to gay candidates. I can verify that this is definitely true at McKinsey, Bain, BCG and Deloitte, and have heard good things about LGBT support at Monitor as well. I've spoken with many LGBT people at the MBB firm I'm at (there's a small group of them in my office) and they've all had incredibly positive experiences.

    If you're gay and don't have your heart set on banking, there's a home for you in consulting.

  • Bollinger's picture

    Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

  • Aviator's picture

    I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

  • In reply to Aviator
    bfin's picture

    Aviator:
    I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

    This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

    The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

    WSO is not your personal search function.

  • In reply to Aviator
    awm55's picture

    Aviator:
    I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

    Most gay dudes on Wall Street (actually most gay dudes in general) you wouldn't be able to identify, that is the point.

  • In reply to bfin
    Aviator's picture

    blackfinancier:
    Aviator:
    I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

    This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

    You can tell the ones that are gay though, I'm no expert but they have feminine mannerisms and speech patterns, I've worked in different parts of WS and interacted with so many different types of people and never seen who acts gay. Some women might have been lez though, they have short hair and behaved very butch.

  • bfin's picture

    This just isn't true... some gay people act as straight as possible just because of people such as yourself... who look for it.. they don't want to be labeled as different. You honestly can't tell. Grant in most situations you can tell but there are still people you just can't tell with at all...

    The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

    WSO is not your personal search function.

  • In reply to Aviator
    awm55's picture

    Aviator:
    blackfinancier:
    Aviator:
    I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

    This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

    You can tell the ones that are gay though, I'm no expert but they have feminine mannerisms and speech patterns, I've worked in different parts of WS and interacted with so many different types of people and never seen who acts gay. Some women might have been lez though, they have short hair and behaved very butch.

    Dude, are you that naive? Many gay men act indistinguishably different from straight guys. That is the point, you cannot tell because they don't act or speak differently. You have seriously never met a gay dude who is not a walking stereotype?

  • In reply to Aviator
    guerrillagrrl's picture

    Aviator:
    blackfinancier:
    Aviator:
    I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

    This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

    You can tell the ones that are gay though, I'm no expert but they have feminine mannerisms and speech patterns, I've worked in different parts of WS and interacted with so many different types of people and never seen who acts gay. Some women might have been lez though, they have short hair and behaved very butch.

    "I'm no expert but"... insert blanket generalizations right and left here with more blanket generalizations and stereotypes and tada! (Posts like these are why LGBT programs are still necessary)

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  • Stringer Bell's picture

    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

  • In reply to Stringer Bell
    awm55's picture

    Stringer Bell:
    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

    Dude, come on.

    So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

  • In reply to awm55
    SHORTmyCDO's picture

    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

    You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
    Dude, come on.

    So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

  • In reply to SHORTmyCDO
    awm55's picture

    SHORTmyCDO:
    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

    You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
    Dude, come on.

    So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

    True, I work in S&T.

  • UFOinsider's picture

    Unless the dude is a queen, you'll never see it coming and you're not going to be able to tell. A gay guy married an extended family member and fooled us all for a decade.....until he got a sex change operation, a divorce, and a boyfriend. What you think is irrelevant: the bottom line is WILL THEY MAKE MONEY!!!!!

    OP - yes, a former DLJ partner is gay:
    http://nymag.com/nymetro/urban/gay/features/911/in...

    Gays are an URM, but if you play that card just be aware that you'll be 'out' so if you're a straight guy trying to take advantage of the system just realize the position you'd be putting yourself in. Seriously though, there's a whole lot more than you think:
    http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/would-you-pr...

    Get busy living

  • lbreitst's picture

    "Why do gays have an advantage?"

    Because they provide diversity and are an URM that faces discrimination otherwise...

    Honestly, the more I use this forum, the more I realize how pathetic it is. I would bet that 95% of all the posts I read on here are posted by absolute morons who have no idea what they are talking about.

    Stinger Bell, AWM - you already HAVE been working alongside with gays your whole life. You are just too ignorant to realize that. Gay people are everywhere. Some of your best friends in high school are gay, some of the people you sit next to in church are gay, and that married banker with kids is gay too.

    I really just can't stress the stupidity you guys display in your posts. There are gay people at very high levels at all banks and all departments (S&T, IB, and any other division). FACT! If you were to attend the LGBT Wall Street conference in NYC, you would meet LGBTs from all banks. FACT!

    A friend of mine is retired in his 40s, gay, and was an MD at MS. Just more evidence I have experienced proving to me how stupid all of you are.

    Furthermore, you guys want to know your bullshit stereotypes? One of the most feared traders in the Chicago wheat pits was a transvestite. He was married with kids and is now a woman. Richard Dennis himself mentioned in a book that he always lost when on the other side of this trader.

  • In reply to SHORTmyCDO
    Stringer Bell's picture

    SHORTmyCDO:
    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

    You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
    Dude, come on.

    So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

    Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

  • SHORTmyCDO's picture

    My quote got all fucked up, but I meant to agree with you, Stringer Bell.

  • In reply to lbreitst
    awm55's picture

    lbreitst:
    "Why do gays have an advantage?"

    Because they provide diversity and are an URM that faces discrimination otherwise...

    Honestly, the more I use this forum, the more I realize how pathetic it is. I would bet that 95% of all the posts I read on here are posted by absolute morons who have no idea what they are talking about.

    Stinger Bell, AWM - you already HAVE been working alongside with gays your whole life. You are just too ignorant to realize that. Gay people are everywhere. Some of your best friends in high school are gay, some of the people you sit next to in church are gay, and that married banker with kids is gay too.

    I really just can't stress the stupidity you guys display in your posts. There are gay people at very high levels at all banks and all departments (S&T, IB, and any other division). FACT! If you were to attend the LGBT Wall Street conference in NYC, you would meet LGBTs from all banks. FACT!

    A friend of mine is retired in his 40s, gay, and was an MD at MS. Just more evidence I have experienced proving to me how stupid all of you are.

    Furthermore, you guys want to know your bullshit stereotypes? One of the most feared traders in the Chicago wheat pits was a transvestite. He was married with kids and is now a woman. Richard Dennis himself mentioned in a book that he always lost when on the other side of this trader.

    Mate, did you read what I wrote? I agree with you...

  • In reply to Stringer Bell
    awm55's picture

    Stringer Bell:
    SHORTmyCDO:
    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

    You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
    Dude, come on.

    So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

    Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

    Hey fat fuck, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a problem with anyone's sexual orientation, race, religion, etc you are the one who is going to get yourself into a world of shit. Where the fuck do you work? You may think doing power point presentations for 18 hours a day reaffirms your masculinity, but the 10 million dollar lawsuit that you may bring upon the firm because you are uncomfortable sitting next to a gay dude is a hell of allot more than any revenue you can bring it.

  • TNA's picture

    I don't know, talking about sexual acts is grounds for termination if someone complains. If a gay guy keeps his dick sucking activities under wraps he should be fine.

    Dont ask, dont tell.

    Oh wait, Straight, white males are not allowed to complain or be offended.

  • In reply to TNA
    awm55's picture

    ANT:
    I don't know, talking about sexual acts is grounds for termination if someone complains. If a gay guy keeps his dick sucking activities under wraps he should be fine.

    Dont ask, dont tell.

    Oh wait, Straight, white males are not allowed to complain or be offended.

    I totally agree, that is my point. No one should explicitly talk about their sexual escapades in the office, at least not explicitly.

  • blastoise's picture

    is it ok to wax your ...you know

    on wallstreet?

    are there more prestigious waxing places than others?

    do you perfer a guy waxing your down below or a girl?

    HAP`!@#$%^&*

  • swagon's picture

    I've got a confession: I'm in love with a man. What? I'm in love with a man...a man called God. Does that make me gay? Am I "gay for God"? You betcha.

  • guyfromct's picture

    Does it really matter who you take to bed at night? I know several senior guys at BBs that are gay, no one cares, the only thing that matters is that they make money. The diversity shpiel is bull shit, we all know it, unfortunately no one wants to admit in real life. I don't see how it really adds that much to a firm if you're a minority, what matters is if you're bright and can be a good banker. Banking should be race/religion/gender/sexual orientation blind.

  • awm55's picture

    Is the US really that different from Europe with regards to how you view gay guys? I just don't see how it is even remotely an issue unless the person has a dislike for gay people. In that case then that is their own problem and no one elses. Some of you guys have really twisted views of the world and perhaps need a bit of therapy. Damn.

  • In reply to awm55
    Stringer Bell's picture

    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    SHORTmyCDO:
    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

    You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
    Dude, come on.

    So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

    Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

    Hey fat fuck, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a problem with anyone's sexual orientation, race, religion, etc you are the one who is going to get yourself into a world of shit. Where the fuck do you work? You may think doing power point presentations for 18 hours a day reaffirms your masculinity, but the 10 million dollar lawsuit that you may bring upon the firm because you are uncomfortable sitting next to a gay dude is a hell of allot more than any revenue you can bring it.

    I resent that fat joke. My firms got bigger problems than a 10 mm lawsuit, or me, or some cock sucker in the cube next to me. That said, if you're a banker in a very no nonsense no body cares group, then yes I don't know. But all the jr. guys are up in everyone else's shit all the time just due to the hrs. If not, fuck off to yourself back.

  • kmzz's picture

    a gay guy was subletting a room in my apt once and all he would talk about were all the dudes he just banged
    and he would watch that stupid drag queen tv show
    lol glad that's over. i was really uncomfortable

  • In reply to Stringer Bell
    awm55's picture

    Stringer Bell:
    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    SHORTmyCDO:
    awm55:
    Stringer Bell:
    This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

    It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

    You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
    Dude, come on.

    So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

    Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

    Hey fat fuck, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a problem with anyone's sexual orientation, race, religion, etc you are the one who is going to get yourself into a world of shit. Where the fuck do you work? You may think doing power point presentations for 18 hours a day reaffirms your masculinity, but the 10 million dollar lawsuit that you may bring upon the firm because you are uncomfortable sitting next to a gay dude is a hell of allot more than any revenue you can bring it.

    I resent that fat joke. My firms got bigger problems than a 10 mm lawsuit, or me, or some cock sucker in the cube next to me. That said, if you're a banker in a very no nonsense no body cares group, then yes I don't know. But all the jr. guys are up in everyone else's shit all the time just due to the hrs. If not, fuck off to yourself back.

    Again, people only find out what you tell them. If you want to keep your personal life private you can. Its a job for christ sake, stay professional.

  • txjustin's picture

    I'd say if you are willing to suck that BSD then you have an advantage. Just be sure to tell him that in the interview. Hell, just get on your knees and suck that turd fucker and you're in.

  • awm55's picture

    One of the top sales people on the trading floor is gay, there are also a few gay traders. No one gives a shit. Some of you guys are deliriously naive and incredibly bigoted. Get your shit together.

  • samoanboy's picture

    Managing Partner of one of the best (in my opinion) MM buyout funds is openly gay - nobody has a problem with it and the guy is one of the best fundraisers about.

  • In reply to Bollinger
    cphbravo96's picture

    Bollinger:
    Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

    The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • In reply to awm55
    cphbravo96's picture

    awm55:
    Aviator:
    I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

    Most gay dudes on Wall Street (actually most gay dudes in general) you wouldn't be able to identify, that is the point.

    Maybe most gay dudes on Wall Street but if you actually visit a place that is widely considered 'gay friendly', such as Atlanta, San Francisco, Chicago and Key West, you can spot them in a second. They are the ones that cat call at you from the stop light when you are walking home from the office, lol.

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • In reply to UFOinsider
    cphbravo96's picture

    UFOinsider:
    ...Gays are an URM, but if you play that card just be aware that you'll be 'out' so if you're a straight guy trying to take advantage of the system just realize the position you'd be putting yourself in...

    Haha. That could be a good plot for a movie. It's like a Chuck and Larry situation on Wall Street (or any big industry in NYC).

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

  • oreos's picture

    There's a gay guy at my firm, very good at what he does and his sexuality is never an issue. That's how it should be.

    That was a lie but it seems that everyone who says they know a gay guy is getting SBs so I thought I'd jump on the band wagon.

    "After you work on Wall Street it's a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side." - David Tepper

  • In reply to cphbravo96
    awm55's picture

    cphbravo96:
    Bollinger:
    Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

    The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

    Regards

    At last count you hate Islam and think your sexuality is a choice...you seem like a really enlightened individual. Next time you are out at a bar try forcing yourself to be sexually attracted to dudes. How could you possibly say it is a choice?

  • In reply to awm55
    cphbravo96's picture

    awm55:
    cphbravo96:
    Bollinger:
    Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

    The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

    Regards

    At last count you hate Islam and think your sexuality is a choice...you seem like a really enlightened individual. Next time you are out at a bar try forcing yourself to be sexually attracted to dudes. How could you possibly say it is a choice?

    I don't know, ask the closet gay men who sleep with their wives and kiss their children to bed every night. How could someone possibly choose to be attracted to someone they supposedly aren't?

    Also, I'm not sure if I would say that I hate Islam. I do think it's a religion founded on hate, but that's just my opinion...and yes, I realize as a white, conservative male I'm not allowed to have one, but alas, I was born this way and you liberals just have to accept it.

    As far as gays are concerned, I don't hate them either...though the thought of two men having sex does disgust me...but so does the thought of my buddy pounding the fatty he picked up at the bar this weekend. I guess I hate fat people too.

    It's funny. My roommate, who is a hair shy of a gay activist, claims that the mannerisms that are associated with stereotypical gays is actually supporting evidence (in his mind) that homosexuality is genetic. Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

    Anyways, if your argument about "it must be genetic because who would choose to do it otherwise" held any water then I guess we should think twice about punishing brothers and sisters who have sex with each other because I couldn't imagine doing something like that...therefor it must be genetic, and thus, unchangeable and we should accept them for who they are. Why the double standard?

    Regards

    "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
    - Ronald Reagan

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    redninja:
    Unlike banking, which I've heard from many sources can be incredibly homophobic, consulting is very welcoming to gay candidates. I can verify that this is definitely true at McKinsey, Bain, BCG and Deloitte, and have heard good things about LGBT support at Monitor as well. I've spoken with many LGBT people at the MBB firm I'm at (there's a small group of them in my office) and they've all had incredibly positive experiences.

    If you're gay and don't have your heart set on banking, there's a home for you in consulting.

    How can you hate gay people to the point of suggesting they become consultants?

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    cphbravo96:
    awm55:
    cphbravo96:
    Bollinger:
    Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

    The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

    Regards

    At last count you hate Islam and think your sexuality is a choice...you seem like a really enlightened individual. Next time you are out at a bar try forcing yourself to be sexually attracted to dudes. How could you possibly say it is a choice?

    I don't know, ask the closet gay men who sleep with their wives and kiss their children to bed every night. How could someone possibly choose to be attracted to someone they supposedly aren't?

    Also, I'm not sure if I would say that I hate Islam. I do think it's a religion founded on hate, but that's just my opinion...and yes, I realize as a white, conservative male I'm not allowed to have one, but alas, I was born this way and you liberals just have to accept it.

    As far as gays are concerned, I don't hate them either...though the thought of two men having sex does disgust me...but so does the thought of my buddy pounding the fatty he picked up at the bar this weekend. I guess I hate fat people too.

    It's funny. My roommate, who is a hair shy of a gay activist, claims that the mannerisms that are associated with stereotypical gays is actually supporting evidence (in his mind) that homosexuality is genetic. Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

    Anyways, if your argument about "it must be genetic because who would choose to do it otherwise" held any water then I guess we should think twice about punishing brothers and sisters who have sex with each other because I couldn't imagine doing something like that...therefor it must be genetic, and thus, unchangeable and we should accept them for who they are. Why the double standard?

    Regards

    You can repress things long enough if you have the will power to. Its emotionally and physically exhausting and most married gay guys I'm sure are chronically depressed. In fact I know a few that were.

    The stereotypes and mannerisms are put on as a defense mechanism in my opinion. Perhaps some people naturally behave like that, but I don't think most gay men are naturally predisposed to behaving like a walking talking stereotype.

    I think you fail to realize that gay dudes are attracted to men in the same way you are attracted to woman, the attraction and emotional attachment is the same. I would be pretty fucking pissed if I had someone tell me that I couldn't date someone because some religious nut job thought I was actively choosing to be attracted to that person. Can you choose who you are attracted to? Why don't you try sleeping with a dude and see how that goes.

    And incest is biologically dangerous, it results in heavy birth defects. Last time I checked gay dudes don't have that problem.

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