8/17/11

hey guys,

with all the diversity talk does it help to be a gay banker? apparently gays are actively recruited. at my school being gay actually helps you get in...

those on the street are there any BSDs who are openly gay?

or are they mostly in hr and low level positions

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Best Response
8/17/11

"Why do gays have an advantage?"

Because they provide diversity and are an URM that faces discrimination otherwise...

Honestly, the more I use this forum, the more I realize how pathetic it is. I would bet that 95% of all the posts I read on here are posted by absolute morons who have no idea what they are talking about.

Stinger Bell, AWM - you already HAVE been working alongside with gays your whole life. You are just too ignorant to realize that. Gay people are everywhere. Some of your best friends in high school are gay, some of the people you sit next to in church are gay, and that married banker with kids is gay too.

I really just can't stress the stupidity you guys display in your posts. There are gay people at very high levels at all banks and all departments (S&T, IB, and any other division). FACT! If you were to attend the LGBT Wall Street conference in NYC, you would meet LGBTs from all banks. FACT!

A friend of mine is retired in his 40s, gay, and was an MD at MS. Just more evidence I have experienced proving to me how stupid all of you are.

Furthermore, you guys want to know your bullshit stereotypes? One of the most feared traders in the Chicago wheat pits was a transvestite. He was married with kids and is now a woman. Richard Dennis himself mentioned in a book that he always lost when on the other side of this trader.

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8/17/11

the investment banking world is a very conservative and orderly bunch (albeit chaos is an everyday hurdle). Although I personally wouldn't care whether you're taking it up the ass, the banking climate is driven by credibility and trust. I just can't imagine 100% of every company you aim to deal with to accept a banker working on his behalf that has a slight 'flair' to him.

If you can't deal with 100% of the companies you're not gonna be as sought after as those that can.

8/17/11
8/17/11

im not gay im curious if they could have an advantage

8/17/11

it would be an advantage when dealing with HR but not bankers

8/17/11

Like you said, gay candidates have a very significant advantage getting an offer since banks want to promote diversity. At many places spots are reserved, etc.

There are gay people at all levels of Wall Street. As high as the ladder goes, there are people who are gay. Anybody who tells you otherwise is ignorant.

8/17/11

Quite a few on the trading floor where I work. No one makes an issue out of it because they don't make an issue out of it. As long as a purse does not fall out of your mouth every time you speak you generally won't have a problem.

8/17/11

Unlike banking, which I've heard from many sources can be incredibly homophobic, consulting is very welcoming to gay candidates. I can verify that this is definitely true at McKinsey, Bain, BCG and Deloitte, and have heard good things about LGBT support at Monitor as well. I've spoken with many LGBT people at the MBB firm I'm at (there's a small group of them in my office) and they've all had incredibly positive experiences.

If you're gay and don't have your heart set on banking, there's a home for you in consulting.

8/17/11

Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

8/17/11

I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

In reply to Aviator
8/17/11
Aviator:

I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

In reply to Aviator
8/17/11
Aviator:

I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

Most gay dudes on Wall Street (actually most gay dudes in general) you wouldn't be able to identify, that is the point.

In reply to bfin
8/17/11
blackfinancier:
Aviator:

I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

You can tell the ones that are gay though, I'm no expert but they have feminine mannerisms and speech patterns, I've worked in different parts of WS and interacted with so many different types of people and never seen who acts gay. Some women might have been lez though, they have short hair and behaved very butch.

8/17/11

This just isn't true... some gay people act as straight as possible just because of people such as yourself... who look for it.. they don't want to be labeled as different. You honestly can't tell. Grant in most situations you can tell but there are still people you just can't tell with at all...

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

In reply to Aviator
8/17/11
Aviator:
blackfinancier:
Aviator:

I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

You can tell the ones that are gay though, I'm no expert but they have feminine mannerisms and speech patterns, I've worked in different parts of WS and interacted with so many different types of people and never seen who acts gay. Some women might have been lez though, they have short hair and behaved very butch.

Dude, are you that naive? Many gay men act indistinguishably different from straight guys. That is the point, you cannot tell because they don't act or speak differently. You have seriously never met a gay dude who is not a walking stereotype?

In reply to Aviator
8/17/11
Aviator:
blackfinancier:
Aviator:

I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

This is quite ignorant....so you're telling me you know exactly what a closet homosexual looks like? Or even better you've seen everyone on WS. People like you are funny.

You can tell the ones that are gay though, I'm no expert but they have feminine mannerisms and speech patterns, I've worked in different parts of WS and interacted with so many different types of people and never seen who acts gay. Some women might have been lez though, they have short hair and behaved very butch.

"I'm no expert but"... insert blanket generalizations right and left here with more blanket generalizations and stereotypes and tada! (Posts like these are why LGBT programs are still necessary)

In reply to Stringer Bell
8/17/11
Stringer Bell:

This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

Dude, come on.

So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

In reply to awm55
8/17/11
awm55:
Stringer Bell:

This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
Dude, come on.

So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

In reply to SHORTmyCDO
8/17/11
SHORTmyCDO:
awm55:
Stringer Bell:

This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
Dude, come on.

So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

True, I work in S&T.

8/17/11

Unless the dude is a queen, you'll never see it coming and you're not going to be able to tell. A gay guy married an extended family member and fooled us all for a decade.....until he got a sex change operation, a divorce, and a boyfriend. What you think is irrelevant: the bottom line is WILL THEY MAKE MONEY!!!!!

OP - yes, a former DLJ partner is gay:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/urban/gay/features/911/in...

Gays are an URM, but if you play that card just be aware that you'll be 'out' so if you're a straight guy trying to take advantage of the system just realize the position you'd be putting yourself in. Seriously though, there's a whole lot more than you think:
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/would-you-pr...

Get busy living

In reply to SHORTmyCDO
8/17/11
SHORTmyCDO:
awm55:
Stringer Bell:

This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
Dude, come on.

So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

8/18/11

My quote got all fucked up, but I meant to agree with you, Stringer Bell.

8/18/11
In reply to lbreitst
8/18/11
lbreitst:

"Why do gays have an advantage?"

Because they provide diversity and are an URM that faces discrimination otherwise...

Honestly, the more I use this forum, the more I realize how pathetic it is. I would bet that 95% of all the posts I read on here are posted by absolute morons who have no idea what they are talking about.

Stinger Bell, AWM - you already HAVE been working alongside with gays your whole life. You are just too ignorant to realize that. Gay people are everywhere. Some of your best friends in high school are gay, some of the people you sit next to in church are gay, and that married banker with kids is gay too.

I really just can't stress the stupidity you guys display in your posts. There are gay people at very high levels at all banks and all departments (S&T, IB, and any other division). FACT! If you were to attend the LGBT Wall Street conference in NYC, you would meet LGBTs from all banks. FACT!

A friend of mine is retired in his 40s, gay, and was an MD at MS. Just more evidence I have experienced proving to me how stupid all of you are.

Furthermore, you guys want to know your bullshit stereotypes? One of the most feared traders in the Chicago wheat pits was a transvestite. He was married with kids and is now a woman. Richard Dennis himself mentioned in a book that he always lost when on the other side of this trader.

Mate, did you read what I wrote? I agree with you...

In reply to Stringer Bell
8/18/11
Stringer Bell:
SHORTmyCDO:
awm55:
Stringer Bell:

This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
Dude, come on.

So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

Hey fat fuck, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a problem with anyone's sexual orientation, race, religion, etc you are the one who is going to get yourself into a world of shit. Where the fuck do you work? You may think doing power point presentations for 18 hours a day reaffirms your masculinity, but the 10 million dollar lawsuit that you may bring upon the firm because you are uncomfortable sitting next to a gay dude is a hell of allot more than any revenue you can bring it.

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8/18/11

I don't know, talking about sexual acts is grounds for termination if someone complains. If a gay guy keeps his dick sucking activities under wraps he should be fine.

Dont ask, dont tell.

Oh wait, Straight, white males are not allowed to complain or be offended.

8/18/11

How is stringer fat? Am I missing something.

In reply to TNA
8/18/11
ANT:

I don't know, talking about sexual acts is grounds for termination if someone complains. If a gay guy keeps his dick sucking activities under wraps he should be fine.

Dont ask, dont tell.

Oh wait, Straight, white males are not allowed to complain or be offended.

I totally agree, that is my point. No one should explicitly talk about their sexual escapades in the office, at least not explicitly.

8/18/11

is it ok to wax your ...you know

on wallstreet?

are there more prestigious waxing places than others?

do you perfer a guy waxing your down below or a girl?

HAP`!@#$%^&*

8/18/11

I've got a confession: I'm in love with a man. What? I'm in love with a man...a man called God. Does that make me gay? Am I "gay for God"? You betcha.

8/18/11

Does it really matter who you take to bed at night? I know several senior guys at BBs that are gay, no one cares, the only thing that matters is that they make money. The diversity shpiel is bull shit, we all know it, unfortunately no one wants to admit in real life. I don't see how it really adds that much to a firm if you're a minority, what matters is if you're bright and can be a good banker. Banking should be race/religion/gender/sexual orientation blind.

8/18/11

Is the US really that different from Europe with regards to how you view gay guys? I just don't see how it is even remotely an issue unless the person has a dislike for gay people. In that case then that is their own problem and no one elses. Some of you guys have really twisted views of the world and perhaps need a bit of therapy. Damn.

In reply to awm55
8/18/11
awm55:
Stringer Bell:
SHORTmyCDO:
awm55:
Stringer Bell:

This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
Dude, come on.

So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

Hey fat fuck, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a problem with anyone's sexual orientation, race, religion, etc you are the one who is going to get yourself into a world of shit. Where the fuck do you work? You may think doing power point presentations for 18 hours a day reaffirms your masculinity, but the 10 million dollar lawsuit that you may bring upon the firm because you are uncomfortable sitting next to a gay dude is a hell of allot more than any revenue you can bring it.

I resent that fat joke. My firms got bigger problems than a 10 mm lawsuit, or me, or some cock sucker in the cube next to me. That said, if you're a banker in a very no nonsense no body cares group, then yes I don't know. But all the jr. guys are up in everyone else's shit all the time just due to the hrs. If not, fuck off to yourself back.

8/18/11

a gay guy was subletting a room in my apt once and all he would talk about were all the dudes he just banged
and he would watch that stupid drag queen tv show
lol glad that's over. i was really uncomfortable

In reply to Stringer Bell
8/18/11
Stringer Bell:
awm55:
Stringer Bell:
SHORTmyCDO:
awm55:
Stringer Bell:

This is tough, although I generally don't care about gayness, but in this case it would. All the comments above are clearly from people with not much experience. You get so close with other analysts in your group it would kind of suck (for me) if the guy next to me quietly traded personal calls about some dude he banged in hells kitchen...couldn't handle it. See, this job is such a grind and sometimes a battle (cheesy I know, but true), the frat culture or very straight laced atmosphere (two common cultures I've found) it just doesn't jive IMHO.

It'd be doable if you were completely nonchalant about it, but again you spend such much time it'd eventually come out. If you were flamboyant, forget about it. Know that sounds rough, but that's the way it is.

You have obviously never worked as an analyst in banking..
Dude, come on.

So you think gay dudes are going to chat to you about who they banged over the weekend? What planet are you on? Regardless of sexual orientation, your personal life is no one elses business unless you make it so.

Are you fucking kidding me? Even the chicks start spilling who they fucked after enough time. You don't know shit. Go suck more of your gay friends dicks. You have no clue what you're talking about, take a lap.

Hey fat fuck, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a problem with anyone's sexual orientation, race, religion, etc you are the one who is going to get yourself into a world of shit. Where the fuck do you work? You may think doing power point presentations for 18 hours a day reaffirms your masculinity, but the 10 million dollar lawsuit that you may bring upon the firm because you are uncomfortable sitting next to a gay dude is a hell of allot more than any revenue you can bring it.

I resent that fat joke. My firms got bigger problems than a 10 mm lawsuit, or me, or some cock sucker in the cube next to me. That said, if you're a banker in a very no nonsense no body cares group, then yes I don't know. But all the jr. guys are up in everyone else's shit all the time just due to the hrs. If not, fuck off to yourself back.

Again, people only find out what you tell them. If you want to keep your personal life private you can. Its a job for christ sake, stay professional.

8/18/11

I'd say if you are willing to suck that BSD then you have an advantage. Just be sure to tell him that in the interview. Hell, just get on your knees and suck that turd fucker and you're in.

8/19/11
8/19/11

One of the top sales people on the trading floor is gay, there are also a few gay traders. No one gives a shit. Some of you guys are deliriously naive and incredibly bigoted. Get your shit together.

8/19/11

Managing Partner of one of the best (in my opinion) MM buyout funds is openly gay - nobody has a problem with it and the guy is one of the best fundraisers about.

8/19/11
In reply to Bollinger
8/22/11
Bollinger:

Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to awm55
8/22/11
awm55:
Aviator:

I don't think there are gay people on WS. I've never seen A gay dude to be honest.

Most gay dudes on Wall Street (actually most gay dudes in general) you wouldn't be able to identify, that is the point.

Maybe most gay dudes on Wall Street but if you actually visit a place that is widely considered 'gay friendly', such as Atlanta, San Francisco, Chicago and Key West, you can spot them in a second. They are the ones that cat call at you from the stop light when you are walking home from the office, lol.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to UFOinsider
8/22/11
UFOinsider:

...Gays are an URM, but if you play that card just be aware that you'll be 'out' so if you're a straight guy trying to take advantage of the system just realize the position you'd be putting yourself in...

Haha. That could be a good plot for a movie. It's like a Chuck and Larry situation on Wall Street (or any big industry in NYC).

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

8/22/11

There's a gay guy at my firm, very good at what he does and his sexuality is never an issue. That's how it should be.

That was a lie but it seems that everyone who says they know a gay guy is getting SBs so I thought I'd jump on the band wagon.

"After you work on Wall Street it's a choice, would you rather work at McDonalds or on the sell-side? I would choose McDonalds over the sell-side." - David Tepper

In reply to cphbravo96
8/22/11
cphbravo96:
Bollinger:

Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

Regards

At last count you hate Islam and think your sexuality is a choice...you seem like a really enlightened individual. Next time you are out at a bar try forcing yourself to be sexually attracted to dudes. How could you possibly say it is a choice?

In reply to awm55
8/22/11
awm55:
cphbravo96:
Bollinger:

Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

Regards

At last count you hate Islam and think your sexuality is a choice...you seem like a really enlightened individual. Next time you are out at a bar try forcing yourself to be sexually attracted to dudes. How could you possibly say it is a choice?

I don't know, ask the closet gay men who sleep with their wives and kiss their children to bed every night. How could someone possibly choose to be attracted to someone they supposedly aren't?

Also, I'm not sure if I would say that I hate Islam. I do think it's a religion founded on hate, but that's just my opinion...and yes, I realize as a white, conservative male I'm not allowed to have one, but alas, I was born this way and you liberals just have to accept it.

As far as gays are concerned, I don't hate them either...though the thought of two men having sex does disgust me...but so does the thought of my buddy pounding the fatty he picked up at the bar this weekend. I guess I hate fat people too.

It's funny. My roommate, who is a hair shy of a gay activist, claims that the mannerisms that are associated with stereotypical gays is actually supporting evidence (in his mind) that homosexuality is genetic. Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Anyways, if your argument about "it must be genetic because who would choose to do it otherwise" held any water then I guess we should think twice about punishing brothers and sisters who have sex with each other because I couldn't imagine doing something like that...therefor it must be genetic, and thus, unchangeable and we should accept them for who they are. Why the double standard?

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to ....
8/22/11
redninja:

Unlike banking, which I've heard from many sources can be incredibly homophobic, consulting is very welcoming to gay candidates. I can verify that this is definitely true at McKinsey, Bain, BCG and Deloitte, and have heard good things about LGBT support at Monitor as well. I've spoken with many LGBT people at the MBB firm I'm at (there's a small group of them in my office) and they've all had incredibly positive experiences.

If you're gay and don't have your heart set on banking, there's a home for you in consulting.

How can you hate gay people to the point of suggesting they become consultants?

In reply to cphbravo96
8/22/11
cphbravo96:
awm55:
cphbravo96:
Bollinger:

Why on earth would you have an advantage by being gay that is simply unfair? Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with your education and work performance. That information is nobody's business and should be kept private.

The issue there is it isn't actually considered a sexual preference by most, particularly those that are gay or support gay rights. Personally, I think it's silly because in my mind it's all a choice, but what do I know? Because this is the approach that is taken by many, it isn't viewed as a choice, it's a genetic disposition therefor it's not like being incestuous but rather being black or female. Like I said, I don't understand it.

Regards

At last count you hate Islam and think your sexuality is a choice...you seem like a really enlightened individual. Next time you are out at a bar try forcing yourself to be sexually attracted to dudes. How could you possibly say it is a choice?

I don't know, ask the closet gay men who sleep with their wives and kiss their children to bed every night. How could someone possibly choose to be attracted to someone they supposedly aren't?

Also, I'm not sure if I would say that I hate Islam. I do think it's a religion founded on hate, but that's just my opinion...and yes, I realize as a white, conservative male I'm not allowed to have one, but alas, I was born this way and you liberals just have to accept it.

As far as gays are concerned, I don't hate them either...though the thought of two men having sex does disgust me...but so does the thought of my buddy pounding the fatty he picked up at the bar this weekend. I guess I hate fat people too.

It's funny. My roommate, who is a hair shy of a gay activist, claims that the mannerisms that are associated with stereotypical gays is actually supporting evidence (in his mind) that homosexuality is genetic. Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Anyways, if your argument about "it must be genetic because who would choose to do it otherwise" held any water then I guess we should think twice about punishing brothers and sisters who have sex with each other because I couldn't imagine doing something like that...therefor it must be genetic, and thus, unchangeable and we should accept them for who they are. Why the double standard?

Regards

You can repress things long enough if you have the will power to. Its emotionally and physically exhausting and most married gay guys I'm sure are chronically depressed. In fact I know a few that were.

The stereotypes and mannerisms are put on as a defense mechanism in my opinion. Perhaps some people naturally behave like that, but I don't think most gay men are naturally predisposed to behaving like a walking talking stereotype.

I think you fail to realize that gay dudes are attracted to men in the same way you are attracted to woman, the attraction and emotional attachment is the same. I would be pretty fucking pissed if I had someone tell me that I couldn't date someone because some religious nut job thought I was actively choosing to be attracted to that person. Can you choose who you are attracted to? Why don't you try sleeping with a dude and see how that goes.

And incest is biologically dangerous, it results in heavy birth defects. Last time I checked gay dudes don't have that problem.

In reply to awm55
8/22/11
awm55:

You can repress things long enough if you have the will power to. Its emotionally and physically exhausting and most married gay guys I'm sure are chronically depressed. In fact I know a few that were.

The stereotypes and mannerisms are put on as a defense mechanism in my opinion. Perhaps some people naturally behave like that, but I don't think most gay men are naturally predisposed to behaving like a walking talking stereotype.

I think you fail to realize that gay dudes are attracted to men in the same way you are attracted to woman, the attraction and emotional attachment is the same. I would be pretty fucking pissed if I had someone tell me that I couldn't date someone because some religious nut job thought I was actively choosing to be attracted to that person. Can you choose who you are attracted to? Why don't you try sleeping with a dude and see how that goes.

And incest is biologically dangerous, it results in heavy birth defects. Last time I checked gay dudes don't have that problem.

Sleeping with someone and being attracted to them are two entirely different things. Someone could be attracted to sheep, but it's not bestiality until he sticks his penis in it.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make by telling me to go sleep with a dude. You've proved that people can and will sleep, have kids and carry on relationships with people they are supposedly not attracted to. That implies it's possible to sleep with someone you aren't attracted to...thus there is no point in me proving it because it's already been done.

What about incest where the brother or sister is impotent/barren, where they use protection, where abortion is an option or where the two siblings are the same sex? Are those okay? Two consenting adults having sex in the privacy of their own home?

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

8/22/11

When I was at a BB, we had a lesbian MD and a gay VP in our relatively small group. They weren't in your face about it, but they didn't hide it either. No one cared. You are there to do your work; that's why they pay you. If you are competent or not, that will determine how far you go.

I've worked with people who spent way too much time detailing everything about their personal lives to everyone in the office, and I've worked with people who reveal very little. I tend to prefer the second approach. I have no interest in having coworkers know my personal business / relationship status. I tended to avoid regularly hanging out with people in my group outside of the office because I think it keeps things more professional, outside of infrequent group drinks, holiday parties or dinners. You are already seeing them ~80 hours a week, isn't that enough?

Making friends in your analyst class that aren't in your group will significantly cut down on office drama.

In reply to TechBanking
8/22/11
cphbravo96:

I don't know, ask the closet gay men who sleep with their wives and kiss their children to bed every night.

We had one of these in my extended family....it didn't end well. Fooled us all. Seriously, I'm in favor of gay guys just coming out and being gay so they don't ruin some poor girl's life. I'm not a fan of dude on dude action, but when they are forced to live a lie, everyone suffers.

cphbravo96:

Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Wait, so you've never seen the UBER-JOCK fags? Dude, seriously, the mannerisms aren't the key issue. Dudes that want to bang dudes (or chicks -> chicks) very often do not match the 'fairy' description.

TechBanking:

When I was at a BB, we had a lesbian MD and a gay VP in our relatively small group. They weren't in your face about it, but they didn't hide it either. No one cared. You are there to do your work; that's why they pay you. If you are competent or not, that will determine how far you go.

^ yep, I don't care at all, and if they have some kind of diversity program...whatever. Do you job and don't piss me off and we'll get along just fine. And always remember to keep the lines clearly drawn....I'm not "curious" so don't even think about it hahahaha

GoodBread:

How can you hate gay people to the point of suggesting they become consultants?

Yeah, seriously, that's really hatefull. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Well, maybe

Get busy living

8/22/11

Most people who dislike gay men have not met any that are not walking talking stereotypes. I know plenty of gay dudes that are totally normal guys you can have a pint with and chat about whatever. The only topic off the table really is banging chicks. Many times that is the ONLY difference between a gay dude and a straight dude

The fact that anyone would make an issue about someone's personal life at the office is beyond ridiculous.

8/22/11

For once, I agree with you AWM.

8/22/11

Homosexuality is not a disease. It's not like working with gays increases your likelihood of becoming gay. I don't see the correlation between the ability to do DCF's and a person's sexuality. Does being gay magically make someone bad at Excel? I don't think so.

In reply to txjustin
8/22/11
txjustin:

For once, I agree with you AWM.

....no homo

Get busy living

In reply to UFOinsider
8/22/11
UFOinsider:
cphbravo96:

Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Wait, so you've never seen the UBER-JOCK fags? Dude, seriously, the mannerisms aren't the key issue. Dudes that want to bang dudes (or chicks -> chicks) very often do not match the 'fairy' description.

Our communication is failing here. What I was saying is that some people use the point that no one, in their right mind, would choose to be with someone of the same sex...therefor it can't possibly be a choice, it has to be a genetic predisposition. Additionally, I've had people argue that homosexuality must be genetic because straight guys don't typically have lisps or act effeminate. The point here is that an argument like that just doesn't hold water because all gay guys don't act like the stereotype. However, if you accepted the premise as true then all gay guys would sway their hips, rock linen Capri pants and speak with a soft, lispy voice...but, as you pointed out, this isn't the case.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to awm55
8/22/11
awm55:

Most people who dislike gay men have not met any that are not walking talking stereotypes. I know plenty of gay dudes that are totally normal guys you can have a pint with and chat about whatever. The only topic off the table really is banging chicks. Many times that is the ONLY difference between a gay dude and a straight dude

The fact that anyone would make an issue about someone's personal life at the office is beyond ridiculous.

You must have missed my rebuttal a few posts up...or do you not have an argument anymore?

Also, I meant to post this earlier but had some meetings...but since when is it the government's responsibility to regulate who can have kids? If a brother and sister, over the age of 18, want to have kids then let them. If they are not allowed to be together because their babies might have defects then the government should snatch the uterus out of every woman 35 since the risk of birth defects begin to increase substantially.

I would rather have a down syndrome kid being taken care of by its mother and father than 6 kids being taken care of by the tax payers and only being "watched" their mother.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to cphbravo96
8/22/11
cphbravo96:
awm55:

Most people who dislike gay men have not met any that are not walking talking stereotypes. I know plenty of gay dudes that are totally normal guys you can have a pint with and chat about whatever. The only topic off the table really is banging chicks. Many times that is the ONLY difference between a gay dude and a straight dude

The fact that anyone would make an issue about someone's personal life at the office is beyond ridiculous.

You must have missed my rebuttal a few posts up...or do you not have an argument anymore?

Also, I meant to post this earlier but had some meetings...but since when is it the government's responsibility to regulate who can have kids? If a brother and sister, over the age of 18, want to have kids then let them. If they are not allowed to be together because their babies might have defects then the government should snatch the uterus out of every woman 35 since the risk of birth defects begin to increase substantially.

I would rather have a down syndrome kid being taken care of by its mother and father than 6 kids being taken care of by the tax payers and only being "watched" their mother.

Regards

You just slowly reveal yourself to be crazier and crazier...

In reply to cphbravo96
8/22/11
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:
cphbravo96:

Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Wait, so you've never seen the UBER-JOCK fags? Dude, seriously, the mannerisms aren't the key issue. Dudes that want to bang dudes (or chicks -> chicks) very often do not match the 'fairy' description.

Our communication is failing here. What I was saying is that some people use the point that no one, in their right mind, would choose to be with someone of the same sex...therefor it can't possibly be a choice, it has to be a genetic predisposition. Additionally, I've had people argue that homosexuality must be genetic because straight guys don't typically have lisps or act effeminate. The point here is that an argument like that just doesn't hold water because all gay guys don't act like the stereotype. However, if you accepted the premise as true then all gay guys would sway their hips, rock linen Capri pants and speak with a soft, lispy voice...but, as you pointed out, this isn't the case.

Regards

I never said the mannerisms are genetic, and I don't think many people believe they are genetic. I think its a defense mechanism, the same reason why some black people are drawn to ghetto inner city gang culture. It becomes their identity because they have nothing else to latch onto.

8/22/11

I think it's true that gays and lesbians are actively recruited, my gay friends in school all got to go to special diversity networking events and stuff. At the very least, they're certainly not discriminated against. For all you prospective monkeys out there - don't fuck with this, making a crude joke about a gay person will get your ass kicked to the curb from any respectable bank. No second chances.

8/22/11

In prison, there were many dudes that looked very masculine but were openly gay. They would usually gather in groups of 4-5 and very openly reveal their sexuality to someone under the showers. These guys were not afraid to admit their orientation, I'm telling you. And people respected them for that.

In reply to awm55
8/22/11
awm55:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:
cphbravo96:

Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Wait, so you've never seen the UBER-JOCK fags? Dude, seriously, the mannerisms aren't the key issue. Dudes that want to bang dudes (or chicks -> chicks) very often do not match the 'fairy' description.

Our communication is failing here. What I was saying is that some people use the point that no one, in their right mind, would choose to be with someone of the same sex...therefor it can't possibly be a choice, it has to be a genetic predisposition. Additionally, I've had people argue that homosexuality must be genetic because straight guys don't typically have lisps or act effeminate. The point here is that an argument like that just doesn't hold water because all gay guys don't act like the stereotype. However, if you accepted the premise as true then all gay guys would sway their hips, rock linen Capri pants and speak with a soft, lispy voice...but, as you pointed out, this isn't the case.

Regards

I never said the mannerisms are genetic, and I don't think many people believe they are genetic. I think its a defense mechanism, the same reason why some black people are drawn to ghetto inner city gang culture. It becomes their identity because they have nothing else to latch onto.

Haha, talk about crazy! You think that inner city youths who join gangs because they lack parental supervision and who often don't have fathers in their lives are similar to gay guys who carry purses?!? LOL. I bow out of this debate because I took my medication this morning and can't keep up with the insanity.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to N.R.G.
8/22/11
N.R.G.:

In prison, there were many dudes that looked very masculine but were openly gay. They would usually gather in groups of 4-5 and very openly reveal their sexuality to someone under the showers. These guys were not afraid to admit their orientation, I'm telling you. And people respected them for that.

It's important to note that those guys where gay before they got to prison...in fact, they were most likely born that way because no man would choose to have sex with another man. AWM told me so.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to cphbravo96
8/23/11
cphbravo96:
awm55:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:
cphbravo96:

Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Wait, so you've never seen the UBER-JOCK fags? Dude, seriously, the mannerisms aren't the key issue. Dudes that want to bang dudes (or chicks -> chicks) very often do not match the 'fairy' description.

Our communication is failing here. What I was saying is that some people use the point that no one, in their right mind, would choose to be with someone of the same sex...therefor it can't possibly be a choice, it has to be a genetic predisposition. Additionally, I've had people argue that homosexuality must be genetic because straight guys don't typically have lisps or act effeminate. The point here is that an argument like that just doesn't hold water because all gay guys don't act like the stereotype. However, if you accepted the premise as true then all gay guys would sway their hips, rock linen Capri pants and speak with a soft, lispy voice...but, as you pointed out, this isn't the case.

Regards

I never said the mannerisms are genetic, and I don't think many people believe they are genetic. I think its a defense mechanism, the same reason why some black people are drawn to ghetto inner city gang culture. It becomes their identity because they have nothing else to latch onto.

Haha, talk about crazy! You think that inner city youths who join gangs because they lack parental supervision and who often don't have fathers in their lives are similar to gay guys who carry purses?!? LOL. I bow out of this debate because I took my medication this morning and can't keep up with the insanity.

Regards

Did you grow up sheltered or something? Have you actually met any gay people or kids from the inner city? You just aren't making good arguments. All gay men don't act stereotypically gay, so it must not be genetic. That is how a 15 year old would argue it.

Many minorities cling to the stereotypes society portrays on them as a defense mechanism and a way to identify with the group. That is well known.

Gay men who are immersed in the gay scene are more likely to be effeminate and flamboyant, just as black kids in the inner city are more likely to act gangster. Its what they feel they have to do to assimilate and fit in.

How is that crazy?

In reply to cphbravo96
8/23/11
cphbravo96:
N.R.G.:

In prison, there were many dudes that looked very masculine but were openly gay. They would usually gather in groups of 4-5 and very openly reveal their sexuality to someone under the showers. These guys were not afraid to admit their orientation, I'm telling you. And people respected them for that.

It's important to note that those guys where gay before they got to prison...in fact, they were most likely born that way because no man would choose to have sex with another man. AWM told me so.

Regards

All I can say about that is DON'T DROP THE SOAP!

Get busy living

In reply to awm55
8/23/11
awm55:
cphbravo96:
awm55:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:
cphbravo96:

Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Wait, so you've never seen the UBER-JOCK fags? Dude, seriously, the mannerisms aren't the key issue. Dudes that want to bang dudes (or chicks -> chicks) very often do not match the 'fairy' description.

Our communication is failing here. What I was saying is that some people use the point that no one, in their right mind, would choose to be with someone of the same sex...therefor it can't possibly be a choice, it has to be a genetic predisposition. Additionally, I've had people argue that homosexuality must be genetic because straight guys don't typically have lisps or act effeminate. The point here is that an argument like that just doesn't hold water because all gay guys don't act like the stereotype. However, if you accepted the premise as true then all gay guys would sway their hips, rock linen Capri pants and speak with a soft, lispy voice...but, as you pointed out, this isn't the case.

Regards

I never said the mannerisms are genetic, and I don't think many people believe they are genetic. I think its a defense mechanism, the same reason why some black people are drawn to ghetto inner city gang culture. It becomes their identity because they have nothing else to latch onto.

Haha, talk about crazy! You think that inner city youths who join gangs because they lack parental supervision and who often don't have fathers in their lives are similar to gay guys who carry purses?!? LOL. I bow out of this debate because I took my medication this morning and can't keep up with the insanity.

Regards

Did you grow up sheltered or something? Have you actually met any gay people or kids from the inner city? You just aren't making good arguments. All gay men don't act stereotypically gay, so it must not be genetic. That is how a 15 year old would argue it.

Many minorities cling to the stereotypes society portrays on them as a defense mechanism and a way to identify with the group. That is well known.

Gay men who are immersed in the gay scene are more likely to be effeminate and flamboyant, just as black kids in the inner city are more likely to act gangster. Its what they feel they have to do to assimilate and fit in.

How is that crazy?

No, I didn't grow up sheltered. Yes, I've met many gay people and people from the inner city. The argument you are talking about wasn't my argument...it was somebody else's who was attempting to support the assertion that homosexuality is genetic. These individuals claim that the stereotypical speech and flamboyance is a genetic characteristic of homosexual males. I, however, say that the aforementioned theory is not supported by their assumption because not all gay males act in the stereotypical fashion.

And no, minorities don't cling to stereotypes as a defense mechanism against society, they do it because it is accepted in their neighborhoods and often encouraged...the point here is that "society" isn't the country so much as it is their own mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, cousins and neighbors.

Why would a gay guy, living in a predominantly gay neighborhood in a gay friendly city feel he has to dress like everyone else to fit in? Is he worried he will be shunned because he wore tennis shoes instead of open toed sandals? That makes no sense whatsoever. Additionally, we are talking about young children who lack critical thinking skills and the financial wherewithal to change their situation. The gay men are old enough to choose where they want to live, who they want to hang out with and what they want to wear. Two entirely different situations.

And give me a break. I live in midtown Atlanta and deal with gay people on a daily basis. A large portion of the people that live in my building are gay, as are a number of people in my immediate social circle. I see the way they act. Maybe it's less accepted in NYC or something, but around here it's like a fucking gay parade everyday. The gay people here have little-to-no qualms about their sexuality and conduct themselves as such...I'm talking handbags, Capri pants, make-up, etc., etc., etc.

As a side note, I recently met a guy who is good friends with a buddy's ex-gf. This dude is like the spitting image of Jack from 'Will & Grace'...literally. Not only does he actually look like him, he acts exactly like him...it's like he's a character from a gay comedy or something. Anyways, not that it really impacts the topic, just providing an anecdotal story.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

In reply to cphbravo96
8/23/11
cphbravo96:
awm55:
cphbravo96:
awm55:
cphbravo96:
UFOinsider:
cphbravo96:

Yet, not all gay people talk with a lisp or have feminine features...yet the last time I check, all black people are black.

Wait, so you've never seen the UBER-JOCK fags? Dude, seriously, the mannerisms aren't the key issue. Dudes that want to bang dudes (or chicks -> chicks) very often do not match the 'fairy' description.

Our communication is failing here. What I was saying is that some people use the point that no one, in their right mind, would choose to be with someone of the same sex...therefor it can't possibly be a choice, it has to be a genetic predisposition. Additionally, I've had people argue that homosexuality must be genetic because straight guys don't typically have lisps or act effeminate. The point here is that an argument like that just doesn't hold water because all gay guys don't act like the stereotype. However, if you accepted the premise as true then all gay guys would sway their hips, rock linen Capri pants and speak with a soft, lispy voice...but, as you pointed out, this isn't the case.

Regards

I never said the mannerisms are genetic, and I don't think many people believe they are genetic. I think its a defense mechanism, the same reason why some black people are drawn to ghetto inner city gang culture. It becomes their identity because they have nothing else to latch onto.

Haha, talk about crazy! You think that inner city youths who join gangs because they lack parental supervision and who often don't have fathers in their lives are similar to gay guys who carry purses?!? LOL. I bow out of this debate because I took my medication this morning and can't keep up with the insanity.

Regards

Did you grow up sheltered or something? Have you actually met any gay people or kids from the inner city? You just aren't making good arguments. All gay men don't act stereotypically gay, so it must not be genetic. That is how a 15 year old would argue it.

Many minorities cling to the stereotypes society portrays on them as a defense mechanism and a way to identify with the group. That is well known.

Gay men who are immersed in the gay scene are more likely to be effeminate and flamboyant, just as black kids in the inner city are more likely to act gangster. Its what they feel they have to do to assimilate and fit in.

How is that crazy?

No, I didn't grow up sheltered. Yes, I've met many gay people and people from the inner city. The argument you are talking about wasn't my argument...it was somebody else's who was attempting to support the assertion that homosexuality is genetic. These individuals claim that the stereotypical speech and flamboyance is a genetic characteristic of homosexual males. I, however, say that the aforementioned theory is not supported by their assumption because not all gay males act in the stereotypical fashion.

And no, minorities don't cling to stereotypes as a defense mechanism against society, they do it because it is accepted in their neighborhoods and often encouraged...the point here is that "society" isn't the country so much as it is their own mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, cousins and neighbors.

Why would a gay guy, living in a predominantly gay neighborhood in a gay friendly city feel he has to dress like everyone else to fit in? Is he worried he will be shunned because he wore tennis shoes instead of open toed sandals? That makes no sense whatsoever. Additionally, we are talking about young children who lack critical thinking skills and the financial wherewithal to change their situation. The gay men are old enough to choose where they want to live, who they want to hang out with and what they want to wear. Two entirely different situations.

And give me a break. I live in midtown Atlanta and deal with gay people on a daily basis. A large portion of the people that live in my building are gay, as are a number of people in my immediate social circle. I see the way they act. Maybe it's less accepted in NYC or something, but around here it's like a fucking gay parade everyday. The gay people here have little-to-no qualms about their sexuality and conduct themselves as such...I'm talking handbags, Capri pants, make-up, etc., etc., etc.

As a side note, I recently met a guy who is good friends with a buddy's ex-gf. This dude is like the spitting image of Jack from 'Will & Grace'...literally. Not only does he actually look like him, he acts exactly like him...it's like he's a character from a gay comedy or something. Anyways, not that it really impacts the topic, just providing an anecdotal story.

Regards

Dude, where the fuck do you live? I have never seen a gay guy use a handbag in my life. If the only gay men I knew were walking talking stereotypes I wouldn't be too fond of them as a group either. Thankfully that has not been my experience at all.

8/23/11

The first time I met UFO I wasn't really all about it, but I got to know him better and realized he's almost just like everybody else. Now we hang out regularly and I was able to get over my phobia of his defect as well as forgive him for his anti-christian choices.

Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

8/23/11
8/24/11

Morgan Stanley held a recruiting event at my school geared towards women interested in banking.

I heard a couple of gay guys went and were not kicked out.

I'd say it opens doors.

In reply to Flake
8/24/11
Flake:

The first time I met UFO I wasn't really all about it, but I got to know him better and realized he's almost just like everybody else. Now we hang out regularly and I was able to get over my phobia of his defect as well as forgive him for his anti-christian choices.

txjustin:

^^^ahahaha!!!! Well done sir.

Damn you both
http://sandychen.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/damn_...

Get busy living

8/22/13

Just FYI on this topic - 15 years ago I was friends with a gay banker at JPM. He had a group of friends who were all gay bankers at JPM who met for drinks as a group. I attended one of their nights out and I can tell you that (a) there were a good number of them, (b) they revealed that there were plenty of gay people at JPM who tended to know about each other and meet socially, (c) none of them were stereotypically gay, but all were stereotypically bankers in their presentation, (d) it didn't seem to be a problem for them. Granted, I think they were all semi-closeted at work but I didn't get the impression that they went out of their way to hide it either. Overall, they seemed to be doing fine as gay people on wall street and this was, remember, 15 years ago. So I'm sure its even easier now.

8/22/13

Oh, and I forgot to mention, this was JPM HQ in New York I'm talking about.

8/23/13

"Money is a scoreboard where you can rank how you're doing against other people."
-Mark Cuban

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In reply to awm55
10/15/13

Old thread, but need to correct my previous, moronic statement. It's no ones fucking business who you bang in your spare time, this is a job not a social club to make friends. By the end of my time in banking, I spent so much time with everyone in shitty conditions, all that bro shit was out the window and everyone around me in my eyes where a-sexual power point slaves. It doesn't matter, do your work, shut the fuck up and move on.

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