AM // ER — Plz help me choose
I've seen a few discussions on this issue but I couldn't relate to many of them personally, so I'd genuinely appreciate any help here. I have recruited for two positions successfully: sell-side ER (European banks, top analyst) and AM (equities, rotational) . I love research and have always wanted to be here, so I'm glad I achieved this. The only issue with this decision is the pay discrepancy. ER pays £70k base plus bonus (something between £15-25k), while AM pays £40k, most likely without bonuses. Needless to say WLB weighs heavily in favour of AM with 40-45 hours weekly vs 60-70 hours in ER. I understand where low pay in AM is stemming from, but honestly it's just difficult to settle for this salary at 24 years old. I feel like I'm trailing behind relative to my peers already and this isn't going to help a tonne. AM has high retention rates while 90% of the ER cohort leave annually (to HFs/AMs/Corp dev etc).
Feel free to jot down your perspective please.
If you want to invest, do AM rotational provided the firm is decent.
It's Schroders actually (might delete later) so yeah very decent
That probably explains it. I think if you were within the AM division of a BB the difference would be much less. For the avoidance of doubt, you should only really aim for JPMAM
First off, congratulations on being in this position. Both of these roles are super competitive and you’re lucky to have the opportunity to choose between them.
With these jobs in mind, you need to understand that both are a result of the “Efficient Career Hypothesis” where employers will only pay enough for a desired percentage of their employees to stay, all else equal.
As a result, ER offers higher pay with more required hours on the job; whereas AM has better WLB for a sizable pay cut. A very close example to this situation is the investment banking vs corporate development dilemma (pay versus WLB). As you’ll find there is no crystal ball that demonstrates one job is a clearly better trade off than the other - rather it comes down to your own values and interests.
As someone who has decided to start a career in ER myself, I’ve always valued optionality above balance (at least to start my career). ER is essentially a hybrid between IB and AM when it comes to the pay/WLB trade off. First year ER analysts clear ~$140/150k in exchange for ~55-70 hour work weeks. ER earns less than the investment banking analysts but also have materially less hours (IB = 80+).
In terms of optionality, ER has roughly a 50% retention rate after 2 years. This is far greater than IB but obviously less than AM (as you mentioned has 90%). Most ER analysts who leave often exit to Corp Dev, Hedge Funds, and Asset Management. Most who exit to Corp Dev/AM are looking to further reduce their hours in exchange for lower comp while those who pursue the HF route value higher comp above everything else (70 hour weeks).
Obviously, there are some stories where AM guys at the senior level are clearing comp similar to IB but this is the exception to the rule and will become even more rare with fee compression in the active management space. Therefore, for all intents and purposes, I’d say AM = Corp Dev in terms of pay/WLB trade offs.
By choosing ER, you’ll earn more money and have more exit opportunities — which will cost you more working hours. By choosing AM, you’ll have materially better WLB at the expense of less pay / direct exit opps. All in all, both fields are much more cerebral than IB or Corp Dev in my opinion. Of course there are some caveats with being on the sell-side versus buy side in terms of investment philosophies and priorities but in the right environment, you can develop essentially the same skill set.
Personally, I would recommend that you self-assess how much you value optionality in your career. The more you do, the more I’d recommend trying out ER first. If you have other personal responsibilities or important lifestyles, I’d say to go for AM.
Hold on.... $150k???? Tha fuck. Since when?
2022 ER 1st year analyst (entry-level) at a BB:
- $110k base salary
- $10k signing bonus
- $20-30k EoY performance bonus (20-30% of base)
The new pay for IB analysts stretches to $200k (bonus @ 70-90% of base) so $150k all-in for 1st year ER is relatively normal now. 2019 (pre-covid) IB comp was capped at $150k while ER was around $110k
wait you have an AM role straight out of college. shuddup and enjoy. NOBODY pulls that off.
Is fair to say after 5+ Years or so at a top AM, comp will be similar to comparable firms ER roles w similar seniority + better hours?
No. If you are good, you definitely will make much more at a top AM.
Better hour is deceptive, if you want to put in 40 hours a week on the buy-side, that's fine but you are unlikely going to be a good stock picker unless you are the next investing wunderkind.
Any numbers to back this up? (I ask out of curiosity, not doubting what you're saying).
The pay discrepancy is pretty huge at the start. Exit opps are also more limited for AM by the looks of it.
What would the salary differences look like after 5/10 years in AM/ER? Anyone know?
For most shops in London... AM pay is crap until you're PM. Pictet, Aberdeen, Schroders, M&G all pay poverty money to grads (£30-45k base). Baillie GIfford too, in Edinburgh (despite their absolutely incredible 2019/20 performance).
ER all the way until then. The pay gap can't be ignored... you're looking at £100-120k all-in vs £50-60k... won't equalise unless UK-based AMs raise their salaries to BB level (which, quite frankly, I don't think they will)... lots of opps to move to L/S HFs/LOs after 2/3 years in ER if you want to make the switch.
Exit opps for AMs are "limited" only vs a brand-name ER shop... when you're looking for a non-investing role
My 2 cents - take the ER offer, do your 2/3 years, move to a L/S HF like everyone else in London and knock it out of the park - become sub-PM, PM and retire by 32.
Highest comp potential, but terrible WLB. All-in or nothing
At most UK-centric AM shops, pay is crap at the start, progression (path to PM) is ridiculously slow and comp for jr. PMs sucks. Only star PMs get paid worthwhile money, the risk-reward is off. Choose only if you wanna work less + want to flex to your friends that you work on the "bUY-siDe" even though you'll be making 40% less than your SS peers.
Why is UK AM pay so butt cheeks compared to US?
Take AM. Your pay will catch up over time and AM is the exit opp. You would be wasting time in ER
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