McKinsey vs. Capital One Strategy vs. Alvarez and Marsal
Hello, I was curious about what you guys think about these options.
Am I crazy for learning toward Cap1 strategy? I am really attracted to the pre-MBA culture at Capital One, as well as how fast the promotions can be. I couldn't see myself working at McKinsey for more than 7-10 years, and all of the Capital One strategy VPs are ex-MBB partners (literally), so if I could see myself ending up here in the future I think it is reasonable just to take it now. As far as exit opportunities, opportunities for M7 MBA programs, and career progression as a whole, what do you guys think? Should I even consider Alvarez and Marsal (AIG)? Please help, and feel free to smack some sense into me :D
You are insane. Time to go to McKinsey
do u have offers from all 3?
What is the comp (base and salary) for all 3?
Cap1 is 106 base, 20 signing, and up to 6 performance bonus for total comp of roughly 132k. The thing is, people there get promoted very fast from what I've heard, and you can make director in as little as 4 years, which I've found on the internet compensation get in the 300k range.
McKinsey is 112 base, and 15 signing ad relocation, and up to 18 performance.
A&M is 100 base, but up to 80k bonus (very very large bonus).
I know 5 analysts at Cap One. Haven’t heard of 4 year promotion timeline to Director.
Even if that were true you’d also be promoted to EM within 4 years at McK making 275-350K depending on rating so comp is flat in the best case for Cap One.
One other thing to consider is WLB, you’d probably be working ~50% of the hours at Cap One vs McK if you care about that.
Both are great gigs but I’d go with 2 yrs at McK, then B-school with an option to return and reevaluate then
I know 5 analysts at Cap One. Haven’t heard of 4 year promotion timeline to Director.
Even if that were true you’d also be promoted to EM within 4 years at McK making 275-350K depending on rating so comp is flat in the best case for Cap One.
One other thing to consider is WLB, you’d probably be working ~50% of the hours at Cap One vs McK if you care about that.
Both are great gigs but I’d go with 2 yrs at McK, then B-school with an option to return and reevaluate then
Director in 4 years is unlikely unless there is extremely title inflation at Cap 1. You should go with McKinsey better name and exit ops. Which matter more early career.
My director at C1 is one of the younger and it took him 5 years fwiw.
Mck. This is so simple.
If you 100% KNEW you wanted PE, then maybe A&M, but even then McK is probably still the better long term play (gives you a better network and is a huge merit signal).
You said it yourself that the Strategy VPs at Cap One are ex MBB. They honed their skills at MBB and then moved to cap one. Even if you want Cap One long term, start at McK, then move when it's most advantageous.
Pay at this stage is irrelevant it's about maximizing long term outcomes. McK does that.
As someone who interned at Capital One and is going to MBB full time, take McKinsey all day! Capital One’s CEO/Founder was a BCG Partner and has a hard on for hiring ex-MBB into senior roles… we got an email about 6 new SVP promotions and literally 5/6 had come from MBB. yes, you can advance quickly at Capital One, but McKinsey will provide optionality and better opportunities for executive-level roles in the future. Don’t over complicate this!
Go to c1 after MBB if you really want to
Agree that it is super enticing and great wlb/ pay but is not comparable to MBB when starting your career
MBB and A&M - They are totally different tracks.
1. Management consulting is good to have a lot of exposures and understand what you want. But regarding exit to PE, really depends on your practice area. Unless you are in PIPE and heavily involved with DD cases (usually very short and fast turnaround). Most PE exists are more into post investment management workflows and performance improvements. If you want to do investment origination and sourcing, IB is the right track.
2. A&M: the strongest business is RX and Turnaround, performance improvement. Per what I’ve learned from my friends working there in RX&PI, and my personal experience worked at one of the MBB, A&M’s focus is more technical than MBB overall, just personal feeling, not saying for individual type of deal or case. To be in a more technical role, I’d go for A&M.
One reflection when looking back my experience at MBB: don’t be tricked by name and fancy brand, think about what you want to do, and think in a reversed way what you need to do to get there. Then you will realize, MBB might not always be the best choice for some tracks or directions.
this is nuts! Take mckinsey
Most people when they find out corporate sucks, have to pay 200k for an mba just to recruit for professional services like mbb and IB.
don't 95% of people leave and go back to corporate again
Eventually. But the thing is corporate can be really interesting at VP+ levels.
below that you are surrounded and suffocated by idiots
Top IB etc can get you to those upper levels much faster
in fact it’s almost impossible to reach upper levels without that experience . most serious leaders (not all but most) have MBB/IB in their background
not having it can be a rule out
Go to McKinsey. Don't underrate the network
I currently work at McKinsey and previously interned with Capital One Strategy.
If your instincts are telling you to choose Capital One, trust that decision. I know several people who chose Capital One over MBB, and if you'd like to discuss further, feel free to reach out. Here are some thoughts i have
Progression: Capital One's Strategy progression is highly competitive. It surpasses BCG and Bain and is on par with or slightly slower than McKinsey. At Capital One, you can make Director after your fourth year if your a top performer, which aligns with the tenure of an Engagement Manager/Project Leader at BCG or McKinsey. To advance faster at McKinsey, you’d need to be in the top 5-10% and earn an EM promotion after around two years. While people often say you can transition to Capital One from MBB later, keep in mind that Capital One typically hires only those at the EM level or higher from outside, so leaving McKinsey to return to Capital One at a later stage doesn’t always make sense from a career progression standpoint. If you look at the strategy teams youngest VP and Senior Director, they both started in house and are younger than all the external hires
Hours: Capital One offers a better work-life balance. The average workweek is around 45-50 hours, which is significantly lower than the typical hours you’ll pull at McKinsey.
Impact: At Capital One, you'll have direct exposure to top leadership early on. About half of my intern class had the opportunity to sit in on a meeting with the CEO during the internship. Most associates will get similar exposure, and the strategy team’s insights are highly valued by senior leadership. McKinsey is similar obv, but the main diff is there are less politics around what the strategy team says vs. what consulting firms advise.
People: The strategy team at Capital One is filled with incredibly smart, kind people. The team is relatively small, which fosters close relationships and a collaborative environment.
Exits/Learning: The main reason I left was due to limited industry exposure. Capital One Strategy focuses primarily on financial services and tech, so if you’re aiming to work in other industries, such as private equity, you will not get that exposure. However, in terms of MBA placements, the strategy team has impressive outcomes—out of the three team members pursuing an MBA this year, two were accepted into Stanford GSB, which is insane.
Thank you so much for your response, this was extremely helpful! I still have about two weeks to decide, so I'll reach out if I have any other questions. Much appreciated.
Feel free to also reach out if u want me to connect you to friends who made decisions both ways
A&M has the best comp out of the three options, both now and long-term. Mckinsey obviously has the best name brand/pedigree and will boost your resume, setting you up longer term. I don't see why Cap1 is in the mix. They have a strange, cult-like culture.
While I agree comp is very important, something that is important to me early on is the people who you are working with. Part of the reason I am so attracted to Cap1 is because virtually all of the other interns come from high ivy's or top 10 schools (as well as probably 70% of associates from what I've seen), and I feel like there is an exclusivity aspect that you don't find at A&M. I'm pretty sure it scales a lot faster though. Do you know what the salary progression looks like at A&M?
Cap 1 Product management vs Mckinsey, there could be an argument if you want to do tech PM
For strategy, no better answer than starting at Mckinsey
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A&M is so much different than C1 and McK. So this really depends on what your long-term goals are and where you want to end up. It sounds like you are more interested in general strategy consulting and most of the comments seem to be pitting C1 vs McK, which I can't really speak to, but can hopefully shed some light on A&M
A&M is considered one of the Big 3 Rx/Turnaround shops, along with Alix Partners and FTI. There are numerous threads on WSO that detail this industry, but at a high-level these firms are advising on every major bankruptcy you read about in the news as well as distressed companies who have not filed bankruptcy. I am sure you have read about the FTX bankruptcy, A&M is the financial advisor (FA) to FTX. So over the past two years they have been running the numbers and likely provided some type of interim CFO, Controller, or Financial leadership services, among others. These firms also provide quasi sell-side IB services for distressed sales out of bankruptcy or out of court distressed sales, in addition to PEPI/PIPE to PE portfolio companies. They can also get CRO (Chief Restructuring Officer, think CEO in a distressed situation) engagements where they are running entire companies
There is definitely more of an emphasis on financial work opposed to general strategy. That is not to say there isn't strategy work being done, it is just different than MBB. While MBB might offer a strategic roadmap to launch new products in the next 5 years, A&M would offer a strategic roadmap to exit bankruptcy through a sale or liquidation, refinance existing debt, work with a company and a lender for best method to exit a distressed situation, etc. But this strategy is highly dependent on detailed financial analysis. You will develop modeling skills similar to that of someone working in IB, but with less emphasis on PowerPoint presentations (a company struggling to survive usually doesn't care to see endless PowerPoint decks that might be warranted in other situations).
Rx/Turnaround is definitely a niche industry and a smaller world than Strategy Consulting. More people know about MBB than A&M/Alix/FTI. But because it is a smaller world, the skillset you develop is unique and once you get your foot in the door you are in for life. I recall another WSO poster saying he exited the Rx/Turnaround space ~3 years ago and still gets calls from recruiters to come back, this is not uncommon. The pay is also generally significantly higher in the Rx/Turnaround world than it is in Strategy Consulting (which you have already seen in your offers) but the hours are typically higher, situations more tense/stressful, and you are often expected to execute on all or portions of the strategy recommendation.
At the end of the day it is about where you want to end up and what kind of work you think you will enjoy doing. Again, I can't speak to the Capital One vs. McK debate, but hopefully you have a better understanding of A&M now.
Thank you for such a detailed explanation, I really appreciate it. I think the issue at this point is figuring out what I want. I'm not even legal drinking age, so it's hard to imagine what I would see myself doing given these options. I appreciate your insights, however, and I am grateful. I have a lot to think about.
Well, given your age you have a lot of time to figure things out in general. But as it relates to the decision between your three offers, if I had to make the decision today I would look at it in 2 ways:
1- If you are set on eventually going into IB or PE, I think A&M would be the better option because you will develop the financial modeling skillset at A&M that is critical to IB/PE firms. That being said, I have also heard of MBB transitions to IB, but I think it is less common and you really develop a different skillset at MBB than what your day-to-day would be like in IB/PE.
2- If you are less sure on IB/PE or your career in general, I think McK is the best bet for now. This has the best name recognition among the three offers and it will open a broader range of doors. Capital One may be a great place for a long-term strategy consulting career, but you are so early on in your career I would want to keep as many doors open in case it turns out you don't like strategy consulting. Having McK on your resume will do that.
I know it is easy for me to say but I wouldn't stress on this too much. You have offers from 3 top tier firms that will all offer incredibly valuable work experience with resume building names. Your professional career hasn't even started so you have plenty of time to pivot if you don't like your initial choice. For context I know plenty of people who are pivoting careers in their 30s. Analyze each option to get a good comparison and if there is no obvious choice then go with your gut, it will serve you better than you think.
People talk about C1 strategy like it's some special, one-of-a-kind opportunity... it's not. After a year of MBB you'll get bombarded with recruiters hiring for their strategy teams, and they all have the same benefits: good comp, exposure to C-suite, etc... just 1-year after MBB, I was getting strategy offers at $125 - 160k TC (And this was during the down market of 2023), which is more than you'd make as a 2nd year at Capital one.
And don't take the whole 'director in 4-years' thing too seriously... They can't just promote everyone, or else there'd be so many directors (and not enough analysts below them). That's why MBB has the steep 'up-or-out' program- in order to have fast promos, they have to churn through employees.
While the C1 gig is great, the comp trajectory at Cap-One definitely does not match that of MBB. You won't be pulling 190k base after 2-years at capital one. TBH you'd be lucky to have that base after 6-years.
Also, the MBB brand will be with you for life. I met the board of directors at my company (strategy role) and they definitely noticed the ex-MBB tag.
Do MBB for a few years, then you can easily lateral to a group like capital one's (or even better).
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