Alpha or Alea: The Absolute Role of Luck
Alea is the latin term for a game of dice / gamble / luck. I am using this term to demonstrate the role that luck plays in life more broadly, and also in the HF space.
I'm an immigrant to the US. I originally moved here for college purely to pursue a career in HF. I was a little too smart to jump head straight into finance, so I chose CS as my major because after hearing how hard breaking into HF out of college is, I thought I can always fall back on my major if the recruiting gets impossible.
I joined an absolute non-target for finance, which happens to be a target for CS. I did not know the concept of target/non-target until after I came into this country and was introduced to this forum. My morale was shattered, how could I have not researched this beforehand? I thought to myself.
Regardless, I kept on persisting. As soon as I realized that my college was a lost cause for IB recruiting let alone HF, I took a gamble. I put all the chips on HF and started to overcompensate for the lack of brand name my college gives me like all non-target students do.
I created a portfolio, drafted pitches ranging from Long, Special Sits & Shorts all of which outperformed the S&P. Some barely, some by a decent margin and some by a superior margin. The Alpha & Alea worked in my favor as I went on to land 3 buy-side internships - Two at $50M funds, one at >$1B fund.
Three summers were now gone, none of these firms were hiring FT. Now came the hardest part, given my Visa status, as immigrant monkeys here would know I'd have to find an employer before the 60 day period of graduation. There was no summer left, so I tried desperately to find the final opportunity that would convert into FT.
I started reaching out to people and firms before I even hit the desk of my last internship, so this was 1.5 years graduation. Given the performance of my write-ups and the resume I've created, I had the privilege of interviewing at great firms, meet absolute legends on the buy-side, but for some reason nothing materialized.
I was offered roles and sometimes promise of roles just for them to do a complete 180, had my will broken so many times I've lost count. Why do they do this? What do they even gain by leading on a 20 yr old? I thought to myself.
Went on a downward spiral. The bottom of a 100 proof was my best friend, put on a shit ton of weight, this felt like the absolute bottom of my life and kept getting worse as graduation neared.
The stock write-ups and their good performance never stopped. At this point, my passion for investing felt more like rolling through the motions. What was the use of all these great, well times pitches when no one even wants to hire me.
I've had people on the buy-side laugh at me as soon as I mentioned the name of my college. The calls were usually going well, until the other side asked what school I go to. After that they would either laugh at me, or there would be a tone of contempt on the other side, sometimes they would outright hang up.
Cold turkey would stare me dead in the eye, each bad call and rejection email turned into liquid courage to get me through one more application, one more call. There had to be someone who wanted to give me a chance right?
Nope, no luck. I was infinitely close to giving up and applying for a SDE role, after all, how bad can it be? Better wlb and lower pay, but something was better than nothing. Sure, I would be miserable, depressed and will probably be attending AAs before I'm 25, but it was better than being unemployed.
I haven't slept peacefully for a year at this point, the whole process was so demoralizing. The voice inside my head said, 'Was there a lack of SDE roles in your country? What was the point of coming all the way to the US just to be another code junkie?'
And I agree, why did I come all the way here to settle for something that would have been possible anywhere in the world. The land of opportunities felt didn't feel like it, the most meritocratic side of finance abandoned me based on immutable characteristics.
That's when it happened. As I was rolling through the motions yet another day, I had apparently sent an email to a PM. I didn't even realize it, because after ~3k cold emails, you don't remember the nuances of everything you send.
We talked for a week, the PM took an immediate liking to me he said, and that was it. Before I knew it, I joined a >$100M L/S HF. I was doubly lucky because my PM was great, he is transparent, was willing to teach me the ropes, and he was damn good at his job.
The broader markets are melting right now and we are still up YTD. Our LPs just so happen to be people who are familiar with this line of work so we don't have to babysit them through every drawdown.
Life has been great, I'm living my dream, learning a ton. I don't drink like I use to, and I'm happy for the first time in a long time. Now that I look back on it, how would I describe my journey?
I'm not an inspiration to any youngin' trying to break into the HF world, not by a long shot. Am I skilled? Am I good at what I do? Sure, I won't deny it. But I was at the right place at the right time. Think about it, what are the odds there was a PM looking to hire someone at the exact moment I sent out an email?
In my PM's own words, he interviewed a lot of experienced professionals but apparently he didn't find the passion/spark in them that he did in me. That is high praise coming from someone of his caliber, but I wonder what would have happened if I never sent that one email, or if was a little too early or little too late.
Landing the role aside, what are the odds my PM was also good and we were able to survive, let alone perform given the current volatility? My seat is safe for the time being.
I won't shy away from admitting the role of luck in this journey. Will this be the experience of every student who wants a HF role out of college? Absolutely not, the last few months feel like a fever dream, even I couldn't have imagined this happening over half a year ago.
But, it doesn't hurt to keep trying. My advice to the students here would be to keep trying, what have you got to lose? If I had completely stopped, I would have never been here. It just so happened that I lucked out right before I gave up.
Like a wise man once said: You can have talent the size of an ocean, but you need a raindrop's worth of luck.
Alea, my friends. Sometimes, that's all there is to it.
Your story is a testament to the unpredictable yet transformative role of persistence and luck in the finance world, especially in hedge funds. Based on the most helpful WSO content, your journey mirrors many shared experiences of non-target students who hustle relentlessly to overcome systemic barriers. Here are some key takeaways and insights:
The Role of Luck and Timing:
Your acknowledgment of luck aligns with numerous WSO threads emphasizing that success in finance often requires a mix of skill, timing, and sheer chance. As one user noted, "Luck plays a huge role in landing an offer, whether you're a target student or not." Your story exemplifies this perfectly—right email, right time, right PM.
Persistence Pays Off:
The sheer volume of your outreach (~3,000 cold emails) and your refusal to give up, even when faced with rejection and contempt, is a recurring theme in WSO success stories. Many users have shared similar advice: "It's a numbers game. Failure is a statistical destiny... but with enough tries, someone will make a mistake, and you'll seep through the cracks."
Overcompensating for Non-Target Status:
Your strategy of building a portfolio, drafting pitches, and securing multiple internships is a textbook example of how non-target students can stand out. As highlighted in WSO threads, "It's on you to stand out AS MUCH as possible. The target school candidate will always be the safer option, but you can sway the odds back in your favor with effort and preparation."
The Emotional Toll:
Your candid description of the emotional and mental challenges resonates deeply with others in similar situations. The journey is often grueling, and many have shared how they hit rock bottom before finding success. Your story serves as a reminder that perseverance, even in the darkest moments, can lead to unexpected opportunities.
Advice for Aspiring HF Professionals:
Your journey is a powerful example of how determination, preparation, and a bit of luck can lead to success, even in the face of overwhelming odds. Alea, indeed.
Sources: Some thoughts about luck in your career, Q&A: Non-Target School to Portfolio Manager at a Top Hedge Fund – 6 Years Out of Undergrad, Some thoughts about luck in your career, Q&A: Non-Target School to Portfolio Manager at a Top Hedge Fund – 6 Years Out of Undergrad, How can I become successful from a no-name school?
You really make more at a $100M fund than as a SDE/SWE?
Not really, the same as them but not more. I'd like to think of it as opportunity cost. I get to do what I love and the 'buy-side' tag.
Do analyst at 100m HF really make the same as SDE (software engineer)? May I ask comp expectation? 300-500k all in is reasonable to expect at such fund?
happy for u/ sorry that happened
Insane story, pretty stupid question but how did you get the ball rolling creating a portfolio and all the pitches with no experience at a non target?
It's a competitive industry
Valid
I'm pretty much self taught. I was browsing VIC since I was a teen, was fascinated by the detailed reports there although given my age and lack of experience didn't understand any of it. But I kept reading them, after I entered college and took basic finance courses, a lot of what I had already read was contextualized, my internships further fueled this growth curve.
For example, I knew what EBITDA was and how to calculate it. But only in college and during my work did I understand why the metric was relevant etc. I had major imposter syndrome here, would think thrice before I talked so no one knew I was self-taught/rough around the edges.
Once this knowledge was contextualized, the write-ups came flooding. I pretty much used the VIC template to draft 10-20 pagers for the long only pitches and 5-8 pagers for special sits ones.
Published these on a substack, entered stock pitch contests etc. When you draft an idea, publish it somewhere. That way, your potential employer/interviewer would be able to gauge the performance of the said equity.
Yeah damn just gotta put the hours in, makes a lot of sense to publish, didn’t think about that.
hey man could I DM you? kinda have the same background and looking to break into the industry after graduating, thanks!
wait you posted anonymously, is there even a way for me to DM you? or you could DM me I guess, regardless, I'd really appreciate it, or I could just ask the questions I had here, lmk
Read Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in Markets by Nassim Taleb
Nassim Taleb is a dunce…there are infinitely better books concerning the topic cmon guys.
He kinda gets repetitive after a while, same bit over and over. A little self-absorbed for my taste, but good points
I mean, I know no one on this site actually reads. But falling for nassim taleb is the equivalent of being a 14yo falling for Andrew tate. He’s not an academic, he’s not a fund manager, he’s just a pompous ass that feeds off of mid-wits (most ppl in finance and general society at large). If you haven’t done the homework yourself you can adopt cliff asness’ view and it’ll serve you far better. I’m sure I’ll just get spam msed like when I tried to tell these “real estate investors”that their lord and savior Grant Cardone is a scammer. It probably didn’t help that they were in Vegas for a Grant Cardone seminar they paid 10k to attend lmao.
Absolute legend
>Before I knew it, I joined a >$100M L/S HF
Wow! What an inspiring success story!
I mean he clearly put in a shit ton of work, as his entire story states,”before he knew it”
I still can't believe it tbh. The journey has been surreal, could've been less depressing though, but hey it all worked out in the end. I know that the AUM isn't much, but for someone like me with no formal background that is the be all end all.
Don't sell yourself short by saying the AUM isn't that much. You're in a great seat with a sensible sounding lead PM. A bunch of macro factors will be converging over the next 3-5 years that's going to make your seat seem even better to you. Stay the course.
I think SDEs in America get paid really well compared to an analyst at a 100M L/S, but I wish you well down the road.
Thank you! That's a misconception especially for SDE1. Mag 7 & Fortune 100 pay well, but other than that it's actually not IB level high. But what I referred to specifically when I said lower pay was lower upward mobility. The comp gets capped fairly soon.
There is this assumption that everyone who studies CS ends up becoming a highly paid employee "anywhere" and that's so far from the truth.
This is lowkey an inspiring thread even for me, and I'm about 11 years out of undergrad. I have a bunch of thoughts I'll share in a longer comment in this thread soon.
Can't wait! Looking forward to it.
Bumping. OP if you're still around would love if you DMed me.
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