Q&A: US Power Trader (Prop/HF)
Hey WSO, 5y into my career and currently on garden leave after a 3y+ stint at a US power shop. Hoping to give a little bit of insight into the industry as others on here did for me a few years back. Most of my experience is in DA/RT (INC/DEC, PTP/UTC) and FTRs, along with cash & term on ICE. Feel free to ask (almost) anything, obviously some specifics I can't get into but DITL, career progression, comp, general view on the industry/market right now is all fair game.
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Did you work at a utility before hopping to a hedge fund ?
I worked at a research firm before I got my first trading seat, but I've had a number of colleagues over the years who came from utilities/asset owners. The path of RT -> DA/RT -> Cash -> Term still holds true for a lot of traders, especially those who choose to go the utility/asset owner route, but for speculative trading I've found that more and more shops are hiring out of grad/undergrad, especially those who lean on the quant side.
It's a pretty small sample size, but I've noticed that those making the jump from trading around an asset to trading pure spec struggle more than someone starting fresh, just incredibly different trading styles.
Research firm as in like wood mackenzie ??????
Thanks for doing this
From a trader's POV, this has basically no impact. Base-load gen is always going to be at the bottom of the stack and will basically never set price, so worst case scenario is this shifts the curve to the left, we see less volatility for a bit until older coal/nat-gas units are retired and we see volatility a bit more.
From an economics perspective, I don't see these being cost-effective for at least another 5-10y. The first batch are going to be subsidized by VCs and are essentially proof-of-concepts. The next batch will hit the headwinds of NIMBYs and are still likely less cost-effective than just securing a firm contract.
tyvm.
What are your thoughts of a potential PJM breakup?
What’s your opinion of being at a utility long-term? I’ve heard mixed opinions.
What’s your view on trading on the West Coast, specifically the Pacific Northwest?
For context, I have zero utility experience.
Utilities/Large IPPs are an incredible place to start. They've got tried-and-tested training programs, and unlike a spec-shop they're not just going to feed you to the wolves and cut you loose in a year if you haven't made money. The traditional RT/Scheduling -> DA/RT -> (Cash/Term)/(FTR) path still holds today IMO and is drastically underrated. Yes, the overnights on a RT desk are going to be painful, but after 2y you're either promoted to the DA/RT desk or you're leaving for some small spec shop.
I think if you're in the right place at the right time, staying at a utility/large IPP long-term is incredibly underrated. Your draw isn't as high as at a spec shop (afaik), but I've been told of desk heads still having consistent mid-high six-figure or low seven-figure total comps. The problem is there's a dozen or two of these seats in the industry and they're essentially all filled, so unless it's clear that your senior is leaving and there's a clear path to promotion I don't know if staying at a utility long-term is optimal.
This is all assuming you're optimizing for total comp. The work-life balance of working at a utility is going to be better than at a spec shop (imo), and is generally going to be somewhat lower variability from year to year. Lower risk, lower reward, but you're probably able to sleep at night without worrying about your P&L.
I have minimal experience in the West, so I'm probably not the best person to ask, but I am a huge fan of EDAM/Markets+ and the eventual West RTO (fingers-crossed). From what I know, it's basically all a hydro play on the term side. If you've got a good idea at what snowpack will look like, you've probably got a decent idea on pricing for the next year or so. I think recently (last couple of years) there's also been some gas issues, at least in CAISO with some derates in the DSW.
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