What is up with all the P72 academy kids who got cut?
Seems like a ridiculous amount of FT academy associates are getting cut nowadays. From the past 2 classes, looks like a large majority of them are either out of finance entirely, doing sell side equity research, random corp dev jobs or found something at random sub 100 million SM. Is the academy that brutal? Is there just no space for the class size? Or has the size of the academy been so large intentionally in the past few years to find “the best of the best”.
in the academy rn. its brutal in that its a giant political d*ck sucking game and the coaches are pretty shameless about it
Politics help with pod placement? Don’t the PMs interview the associates themselves vs relying on a good word from the academy coaches? Sorry just trying to understand all of this right now.
yes absolutely yes. there was one offer at a pod that was vetoed by the coach. would be one of the extreme examples but a pattern im seeing is if you dont play the politics game well with the coaches, you get stuck with a non nyc office, a utilities team, launchpoint (new pm) pod, etc. at the end of the day, they determine which PMs you talk to or can prevent that entirely.
A little spooked by all the comments about the Academy. I'm having a final round interview with JH in a few days and having second thoughts now lol
Don't listen to them
Eh tbf, just do your best and don't think about it until you have the offer in hand. And once you do, feel free to give it a shot yourself or you can always start recruiting again after making it in.
Now, if you have multiple offers to choose from, then it's a different ball game.
Some people recruit for other funds whilst doing academy.
I did this albeit during the internship itself and dipped to another large platform for FT. Shit looks brutal and increasingly bureaucratic
did you go to another MM HF? and did you have previous buyside experience before p72/
Here we go again!
not complicated, this place just isn’t what it seems.
Insane over hiring for past 3-4 academy classes… the algorithm of 30-40 interns and 90% return offer rate bit them in the ass lol. Hence the considerably lower returns this summer, hopefully back to “normalcy” now
This.
Historically classes were a lot smaller and the return offer rate for summers was ~50%. They changed that the last few years and it went from ~10-12 FT academy analysts that did the summer internship to ~25-40 FT analysts.
Not cutting people during the summer also let lower quality analysts who would've just not gotten a return make it to FT. These lower quality analysts are then get let go once they are in the FT academy.
I think they started doing this for getting pushback on their low offer rate for the SA, but it back fired on them in that they now had to fire people FT.
Yea exactly, they are reverting back to the old ways now, with this summer at like 60-65% return rate.
Quality of talent sucks, pods hiring from ex PE and ex banking instead now.
Source: my buddies at pods and p72
It’s like trying to put out a fire with a blowtorch
This is generally true since the academy classes were so large. There just isn’t room for 20-25 academy grads on pods at X graduation date, especially considering there were probably only 5-10 who were talented out of that cohort
The irony
How do the coaches evaluate you
t-30 until someone makes some joke about fellatio and bringing up the aluminum pole
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