Building a career in banking: Bulge Bracket or Middle Market platforms?

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Call me a masochist, a psychopath or whatever you want. But, I actually like my job, and I see myself doing IB long-term. I enjoy covering clients, and I'm in an industry that I find really fascinating. I love the idea of diving deep into it and staying on top of news flow in order to advise clients in this industry. If it matters, it's a pretty growth-y industry but has has some downside protection during slower times. I'm also interested in doing advisory/M&A work, but I understand that it's going to be a long road of financings to build relationships before doing primarily advisory work.

That all being said, I'm wondering what platform would be best for me to advance my career, build a strong book of clients, get strong mentorship from seniors and, ultimately, make the push to reach managing director.

The way I see it, I have two options available to me:

1. A bulge bracket bank which provides me with a full suite of products to pitch; a name-brand that can bolster me during pitches; a balance sheet to build financing relationships and for "easy" fees; access to large, multinational corporate clients; and an array of talented senior bankers to whom I can attach myself to.

2. A middle market, sponsor sell-side machine bank with early and often exposure to clients; many more M&A/process reps vs. working at BB; less politics; flatter hierarchy allowing me to build senior relationships early on; more responsibility earlier on; anecdotally, an easier path to making managing director; insolation from M&A market volatility; higher volume of deals to chase; and easier deals to win.

I intentionally left out independent advisory firms/elite boutiques, because I don't really see a path at those firms to becoming a strong coverage banker. I feel like it's easy to top out as an execution guy to somebody who built their relationships at a BB. Winning multibillion dollar M&A deals as a fresh managing director with no lighter-impact products to sell doesn't sound very feasible to me. Perhaps a more volume-oriented EB such as Moelis would be more conducive to building a career? Would be helpful to hear from someone who knows better than me on this point.

I'd like to hear some input on the differences between climbing the ranks and building a book of clients at a BB vs. MM shop.

As I understand it, at a BB you can lean on the platform and name-brand to sell low-impact financing products to cultivate relationships through time - eventually becoming familiar enough to start doing buy-sides and some divisional sell-sides. However, your limited by fee minimums which forces you to stay somewhat up-market where it's a lot more difficult to make a name for yourself as a young banker.

At an MM, on the other hand, the name of the game is volume, and you can build relationships with sponsor clients quickly and at a young age due to how hands-on analysts and associates are in terms of working with clients. The smaller, leaner platform allows for a lack of fee minimums, allowing you to go down-market early on, and build a reputation as you slowly move up-market. Are you capped at a certain point? Can't go past, say, $2bn because of your platform/expertise? I would imagine MMs also do most of the growth equity-like financing.

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Most MDs started and/or built their careers at BBs and EBs. Even at MM or legit boutique banks, the majority of MDs and likely 100% of management (group heads, c suite, etc) come downstream from BBs and EBs.

The standard play is to build a career, track record, and client relationships at a top BB or EB in some group. Get up to the Director level or Managing Director level if you can, and then get hired by a smaller bank as an MD for your group. The MM or boutique benefits from the marketability of your background and from the existing client relationships you bring to the table. 

If you really want to maximize your chances of being a successful career banker, BB or EB for some or all of the early and mid stages of your career is a no brainer.

 

Might be a bit of a fallacy because BBs simply employ the most people and hence will have the most representation. Also all BBs were also very well established and taking in tons of analysts even 20 years ago while you can’t say that for a lot of MMs like HSBC, BNP, etc - many didn’t even exist! So I’m not sure how much that really tells you about today’s market

 
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I find the top comment pretty misguided and wrong. A few things:

  • Top MM IB coverage groups are basically the same as an EB's coverage group and MD's often slide between the platforms. I would reframe your view as, "do I need balance sheet experience or not"
  • I don't know if it's accurate to say "most MD's at MM iBanks came from BB's" There is some bias certainly because as a poster mentioned, the BB's have been around a long time and many of the MM banks are relatively newer. That said, enough time has gone on now that many are direct promotes/ lifers at this point at MM banks. Further, looking into the future, I doubt platforms like Holihan or Blair or Baird or Jeff are going to only hire or even prefer Goldman directors. They will hire internally. They already are frankly.

Now for OP's question on MM vs BB. I think this platform does a really bad job of explaining the role of a MM banker. The forum tends to minimize the role and industry as "vanilla sell sides" because it is very junior skewing and NYC/BB skewing and those individuals are very insecure and feel the need to separate their experience as better and more prestigious than banks that they view as beneath them. The reality is any transaction where hundreds of millions is getting passed is a massive project with a lot of intricacies. It's just so naïve to describe a transaction that large as simple. I think this perception comes from an obsession with modeling, which anyone senior will tell you is really not what sells companies. Narrative an story telling is what gets deals done, not a complicated exercise in false precision.

In truth, as mentioned, you are really comparing a place that offers debt service with a balance sheet and/or is known to IPO vs a place that doesn't. From my experience, it can be helpful gaining that experience to make you a more well rounded finance professional, but you could say the same thing for going into private equity for 2 years to make you a better banker. I might even argue PE experience would be better.

One of the best bankers I've worked with started at a MM, went into PE, did corp dev, then became a MM coverage MD. The guy was a beast. People hired him because he not only knew the coverage space better than almost everyone in the space, but he also could make compelling sales to anyone on the other side of the table because he had worked their job. He had credibility with buyers and sellers and that's why he won mandates--he's one of those rare MD's that can leave banks and bring all his old clients with him. He was unfireable. Guy was infamous for saying things that are HR nightmares and he could get away with it because he was that good.

This is a long way of saying, I think you are doing a disservice to yourself by saying mm IB isn't a sustainable long term career path. I think it more should be a question of whether you want a whale hunting model and want to be "big deal guy" or you simply love facilitating transactions. The best bankers I know are good bankers not because they "built relationships using debt service" but rather they are sector experts that have that knowledge because they love the niche they are in and have been doing transactions with companies in that niche for decades. They know buyers because they have worked with them before on transitions. 

I get the mentality of thinking you can use debt service to close a deal and sure brand matters, but many of the deals at the mm level are PE firms/ sophisticated buyers and sellers who aren’t just picking a bank because of the brand. It wouldn't surprise me if there are less PE firms in the ecosystem in the future, but there will always be firms that specialize in specific phases of growth and these firms will likely have many ex-bankers/ also be sophisticated buyers and sellers.

TL;DR BB experience could be great, but PE experience might be even better. Think should focus more on size of transactions you like facilitating.

 

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