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Alrighty.
Oh look, it's another "I only make $150k a year, my life blows!" post.
Is that supposed to be a lot of money?
it is in Utah
A2A's are making 250k+, probably closer to 300k at most shops.
Yes, that's a lot of money. The alternative is taking on $150k+ in loans and missing 2 years of income getting an MBA.
If homie is making $150k/yr as an A3, his life does blow.
If this isn't a prime example of "the grass is always greener" I don't know what is. Granted I'm not as knowledgeable as most here, but I for sure know that very few firms have a clear path to carry after a few years as associate, and that PE is not some incredibly safe career path where mediocre performers aren't shown the door. Also you write about buyside clients calling you about changing a color from red to burgundy at 11pm. If anything that goes to show that the people on the other side have to deal with boring, nitpicky work as well if they feel like that is a pressing issue at that hour. I can appreciate your warnings about your experience in banking, but it seems very disingenuous to romanticize the buyside as if it does not have its fair share of BS as well.
I get your point but generally disagree. I’m on the buy side, and I am never in PowerPoint. I don’t make pitch books, rather I print them and 29/30 times I throw them in the drawer of dead deals. Cool stuff happens in between either way.
Asset management is a completely different career. PE still has investment committee memos, portfolio company monitoring, etc. Plenty of powerpoint.
do you call banks at 2am telling them to change the color from deep burgundy to medium burgundy?
OP you are wise beyond belief. Can you also share some other profound secrets of the universe?
Sir, this is a Wendy's
But in all honesty, what type of bank are you at that you are sorting logos as an associate?
Speaking from personal experience, the A2A experience differs drastically depending on bank/group. I did the A2A route at an EB and while my associate years were tough at times, they were much better than my analyst years. Hours are reasonable plus my pay was on-par if not better than several of my peers who went the PE route (with exceptions obviously). I dont know if the experience would be the same at a BB
Banking isnt for everyone, but there are individuals out there such as myself who enjoy the strategic dialogue, working on transformational transactions, originating ideas and deal structuring solutions. I've actually enjoyed my time in banking (granted its heavily firm/group dependent) as we focus on large cap M&A situations and our clients are almost entirely strategics as opposed to sponsors. Seniors take an active role in mentorship and junior development and my responsibility and exposure had increased pretty significantly - you have a 2-3 year track record and the seniors are comfortable in your ability to run a process or analyze a deal structure or present ideas to a F500 board of directors
any tips on how to identify banks/groups that are more oriented toward strategic vs sponsor transactions?
is it as simple as EB/advisory focused banks vs more lending focused bulge brackets with big balance sheets, or is there more to it?
Centerview?
So does this mean you would help out an analyst interviewing for PE?
While I do think you're a tad harsh, I'll write that off as animated satire. As someone who went A2A and then recruited buy-side, it is hard. It's hard as hell. If you think you might want to try it I would advise you to jump ship first, then go back to banking if you rather take that path. Banking will gladly welcome people back from PE.
Would really appreciate some insight as an A2A who wen through PE recruiting post promotion and succeeded. Any advice? Was the hardest part just getting the interviews or was it the balancing act of positioning yourself as someone with more experience but not so much more experience that you think you're above an entry level PE role? That being said, did you go back to an entry-level role?
Started as a first year associate just like a 2 year banking analyst would. Few key things. First, be willing to take a step back if this is the path you really want to take. I have seen others recruit to senior associate/VP, but those are exceptionally rare and being able to make the jump at all is lucky. Second, be open to all kinds of direct investing roles. The interviews will be fewer and far between, so if you want enough of them to have a shot at landing the gig you need to increase the number of potential options any way you can. I interviewed for traditional LBO PE, private credit, HF, family offices, growth equity, you name it. If you are dead set on PE I suppose it is ok to focus, but you have vastly higher chances if you open yourself up a bit more. Then once you have real direct investing experience you can try to lateral to your dream job.
How hard is it to go back to banking if you don’t like PE? Do you have to retake FINRA exams? I’m currently deciding whether to recruit for PE while I’m still an analyst but am afraid that I’ll fall victim to the “grass is always greener” mindset and be less happy in PE but unable to get back into IB.
Not hard at all. I have banks that want me all the time. After all, you’ll have the perspective of being on their clients side. They can file some paperwork with finra to have your licenses reinstated, but will probably make you retake them. They’re so easy though. I could probably flip through a Kaplan book and pass them both within an hour right now and I’ve been out for 6 years.
Thanks for the post bro.
I hope she sees this bro
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