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I just did and I couldn't find it?

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re-ib-nySome firms will embed some of their depreciation into other I/S line items (like COGS or G&A), so the D&A item on the I/S does not necessarily pick up all of the firm's D&A in a reporting period. The line item on the CF/S, however, will capture all of it, because all of it must be backed out of Net Income to get to CFFO.

What he said. Ignore other posts.

 
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kidflashD&A is not a cash item so it's not included on CF/s

You're joking, right?

What do you mean? You start from NI then add back D&A because it's a non-cash expense... so it's not included on the cashflow statements.

Sorry, I mean just depreciation. My mistake. Am I just being a total idiot?

 

Oh... I guess I didn't understand the wording. By it's not included, I meant the expense is eliminated from the statement of cash flows... My mistake on my wording.

 
kidflashOh... I guess I didn't understand the wording. By it's not included, I meant the expense is eliminated from the statement of cash flows... My mistake on my wording.
I mean it's really not. It is only an expense on the I/S because you're considering D&A as occurring over the lifecycle of whatever item you purchased, even though you paid the cost up-front when you purchased the item(s). It's just not a "use of cash", but you're not eliminating anything, nor are you "adding" cash even though it's conceptually easy to think about it that way.
 
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kidflashOh... I guess I didn't understand the wording. By it's not included, I meant the expense is eliminated from the statement of cash flows... My mistake on my wording.
I mean it's really not. It is only an expense on the I/S because you're considering D&A as occurring over the lifecycle of whatever item you purchased, even though you paid the cost up-front when you purchased the item(s). It's just not a "use of cash", but you're not eliminating anything, nor are you "adding" cash even though it's conceptually easy to think about it that way.

This sums it up.

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Depreciation and Amortization is a non-cash expense so it should appear as a plain expense on a statement of operations and as an add-back to net income to arrive at cash flows from operations.

I can't think, off the top of my head, of a single instance where they'd be different amounts...

 
Professor ShortieI'm a professor at an ivy teaching FSA and financial modeling. Companies allocate D&A to a number of line items, including CGS and SGA. Sometimes you can find the detail in the notes, but sometimes you can't. The D&A amount from the SCF is the one to use in developing your model. If you have other questions let me know.

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