Evercore is No Longer an EB
The characteristics that once made EVR the king of EBs have since eroded. Analyst class sizes are up, bonuses are down, focus on M&A is down, perks are down and the culture is worse. Today, the best description of EVR is a bulge bracket without a balance sheet.
Historical Positives to the EVR Analyst Experience
- Top Notch Compensation - EVR is no longer a leader. Bonuses came out today and were in line with bulges. Top performers made less as second years ($95k) than they did first year ($110k). Other EBs paid higher.
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Top Notch Seniors - Indiscriminate hiring at the senior level has eroded the average competency at the senior levels
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Culture - As the firm has grown, culture has not grown with it. Most groups are sweaty with infighting between hires from different banks
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Focus on M&A - M&A is still the leading focus but is not viewed as a growth driver. Other areas of the firm are getting more attention. Analysts in industry groups are no longer EVR M&A but rather coverage analysts (who still do M&A work as there is no separate M&A team but M&A is no longer sole focus)
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Analyst Experience - Analysts are viewed as a cost center / resource for mid-level & seniors. If you are not working you are viewed as wasting time. There have also been structural shifts degrading the experience. The generalist experience prior to being placed into groups has been eliminated, recruiting is less transparent, there are less firm events etc.
Evercore is still a fine place to work but it no longer compares to CVP, PJT & other EBs in terms of the analyst experience.
Weren’t there 3 people who posted in the comp thread with ranges between $130-$150k?
Numbers came out today - A1 75k top, A2 95k top
Yeah those were cap unfortunately (wish they weren’t)
heard a few A1 who got 85 but most people got 75
People are generally pretty annoyed
The incoming SA ‘23 class size is 80 total, and anecdotally the word on the street is the quality is worse (big focus on diversity / connections).
Edit: You’ll see in a few months lol, it’s no secret at multiple target schools that EVR took a ton of less than qualified kids (like literally 80% diverse/connections) this year compared to two or three years ago when they only took the absolute best. Also I didn’t get rejected from EVR for what it’s worth, I’m in an RX group.
You're an intern. Is word on the street you and your college buddies? The 2023 class hasn't even started yet and won't for 9 months. You seem butt hurt you didn't get an offer
He said SA class not analyst class
Another anecdote, girl who got hired from EVR from my target know nothing about IB at the start of soph year, and has a father that’s a major buyside guy.
EVR does not do recruiting at start of soph year. Are you assuming it was not possible to learn between start of soph and first rounds?
The three smartest people I personally know are all going to Evercore
TBH this is to be expected in a ppl business like IB. If her dad could even feed 1 incremental deal to evr that it / her team wouldn't have otherwise gotten, she would have more than compensated the firm's investment in her and helped out the team's P&L much more than analysts who can crank the best excel all day.
Deals close due to timing / one-off decisions / trust between the parties at a high level. An A+ lbo model with a perfect IC memo versus a B-level work product wouldn't really affect the chances of deal closure (I.e. banks getting paid) meaningfully. True relationship MD's don't need the most fancy books. I would even wager (having worked at both lower BB and top BB) that among BB at least the quality of pitch / work product is inverse to the bank's prestige / deal flow on average (and whether the bank's providing financing).
Yikes, I know who you’re talking about
Woa
I've too observed that diversified hiring has gone up recently, even across IBD , AM . What do you think is the reason for this?
ESG
Are you worried that minorities won't align logos and turn comments as well as white students from ivy league schools? Lol
so not true. depends on group - some groups have like 4 women in 60 person teams
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/investment-banking/evercore-has-g…
I mean dude it’s still an EB, but this thread also lays out pretty similar sentiments
120 base, 25k signing bonus, 75-85k bonus for TC of 220-230. How is that not top of street for AN1 in 2022?
Harris Williams: 110 base, 20 signing, 105 bonus - 235 TC as AN1
It’s hilarious that they paid external consultants to do benchmarking and they still underpaid.
They also sent us a PDF that showed our Y1 comp vs Y2 comp, as if that was supposed to do anything. With inflation at 8%+, the $15k increase from An1 to An2 doesn’t even cover it.
It is still a lot of money for two years out of school, but I would not recommend taking Evercore over any comparable non-bulge bracket, nor would I recommend someone take it over Goldman.
In the past I would disagree, and say that someone should take Evercore over Goldman. However, the Evercore's and Centerview's of the world rise and fall, whereas GS is the definition of incumbency. Even if it does shit for a few years, it's name will carry a hefty weight down the road.
The external consultant thing is the biggest joke. It takes 0 emotional intelligence to understand that an A2 who thinks about their contribution to the firm in their 2nd year vs. their 1st is going to be pissed when their bonus is down YoY but performance is up ~50%. At least should have been flat.
What about over MS
Probably depends on the MS group, but generally speaking the MS name is more stable
Fuck Evercore, we're turning into a volume shop. I wish I was at Centerview or PJT.
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This comment only says bigger is better and highlights lagging indicators as evidence of a positive experience. Working with the other groups is generally a horrible experience. Tons of fighting amongst teams on the simplest engagements and analysts from other teams fundamentally not understanding what an industry analyst has to do in order to refresh their activism deck with a days notice. (Everyone hates working on cross product staffings).
EVR exits are strong either because there are still some strong analysts filling the seats or because there is a strong legacy name that will degrade with time. Neither are a reflection of the current experience.
What you described above as positives are characteristics of a bulge bracket hence the title of the thread. The analyst experience has changed (for the worse) since the firm expanded. I see no difference between an EVR analyst experience and a GS/MS/JPM analyst experience except there is less of a brand name and that EVR is excluded from some assignments because it lacks a balance sheet or branding within established corporate America.
Paragraph 1 is false. I like their product teams and find them patient and willing to teach others.
Paragraph 2 is a house of cards. It's all opinions. Sure, I guess I'll agree with you and say everyone there stinks?
Paragraph 3 is false and incomplete. Evercore pays more than GS/MS/JPM and better/on par with most other large EBs. Yes Evercore is excluded from balance sheet work, but is included in restructuring, defense, equity, etc.
“Top investment bank by revenue per head“
Have you never heard of Qatalyst? They do 3-4x EVR in fees per employee.
People on this website are really lost when it comes to the per head metric, can’t really blame them though. The college students at least.
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This has nothing to do with EVR and everything to do with IB in general. It was said in a comment on the other thread about Evercore that IB is headed downhill and that’s the truth of it. PJT bonuses weren’t much better this week along with the trash that the BB banks released. Evercore just happens to be the bellwether, once glorified name, of the EB’s. That’s why its taking so much heat.
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Am a senior associate at a reputable UMM fund (ignore title) and heard my MD literally talking abt this yesterday. He's heavily involved in recruiting and said that the quality of the EVR analysts hes seen in the last few years has really plummeted. Can't speak to AN bonuses there but all I can say is yikes...
The interns who did the worst in recruiting were amongst the best on the desk. I’ve also had years where the best at recruiting were troubling on the desk. It’s so hard to predict.
I don’t think answering technicals determines if you’re going to be a good analyst any more than getting straight A’s in physics determines if you’re going to be a good physicist.
bro wtf am I reading
finance is an art not a science - physics is literally a science
At EVR now. Going to quit in 2 weeks after bonuses hit with nothing lined up. What a shit bank.
Cap
What jobs are ppl taking over EVR?
GS, MS, other EBs
Thanks - which EBs do you think? Moelis? Lazard?
Idk - Im guessing EVR is still one of the best places to be out of school
CEO is an ex GS guy, bringing over the same bullshit that GS has with the GS discount. Looks like EVR is starting down the same road, fuck this
GS discount without the GS brand. Don't think the quality of the EVR name warrants a discount
He gave himself a $10mm bonus in Q2 all while cutting analyst bonuses to fund.
I would agree with that statement.
Should I be worried if I am in the Secondaries group at Evercore?
Yoooo, you too! I'm also headed there. Would you be interested in connecting?
You're a kite dancing in a hurricane
The fact that Lazard is 150 years older than most of the EB's, yet in no meaningful metric exceeds them in terms of performance, says a lot lol.
You are either grossly undereducated, stupid or both. Lazard, in "meaningful metrics", outperforms many of the other "EB" firms. The other "EB" firms are also irrelevant outside the United States, not including Rothschild, since on the flip side they are pretty irrelevant in the United States, but great in Europe as boutique. The fact that Lazard has been around for 150+ years without failure, says a lot. Yes, Evercore and Centerview have done some pretty high profile and mega cap deals in the last 5-10yrs and they will continue to do that so long as the MDs they poached from BBs or other boutiques decide to stick around. Have already seen the hemorrhaging of talent emerge from EVR even at senior levels.
So to your misguided point, the fact that Lazard has been among the top global M&A firms in the world since before your great granpappy's ballsack dropped, without failure and with consistent success, that does say a lot.
Congrats on Guggenheim
Guys in IB can't talk to girls its fucking hilarious and sad.
What’s the bonus range?
lmao all the non-EVR people taking out their insecurities on this thread
-On Volume Shop: EVR is just creating a more stable business/stock price, that's what is happening at all the public EBs that are trying to grow market cap and shrink volatility
-On Comp: 220k+ A1 total w/ the $25k signing is way above the $150k that BB people are getting with their 35k JPM bonuses and such
Top bucket AN1s at Moelis and cleared $220k this year
Evercore interns can’t cope that they’re now the lowest paid EB
Cool. That's literally what bottom bucket made at EVR. Look at your post history. You have a hard on for Moelis
Providing some color on RX vs M&A, RX team is on the up, very lean, but works hard. Some announced deals from this year include ($mm USD):
Some recent exits include Apollo PE ('23, 22, 21, etc), Blackstone PE, SilverLake PE, Leonard Green PE, among others
nice bullets ripped from the resume bruh lmao
At this point only a moron is taking EVR over CVP/PJT. EB rankings as follows:
CVP>>PJT>EVR
Not that hard to google a league table and delete this comment
Everything changed since Evercore started changed it's logo on LinkedIn
Everything changed when the fire nation attacked
Evercore’ 2023 SA class is mostly targets what are you saying?
Bruh who capped on the 150k bonus?
Sad but true
Is this the case for their London office ?
Bump
Their London office was never something to brag about
London office is more of MM and in no way compares to any BBs. If you want to go to an MF in London, the likes of EVR, PJT and co are simply not well positioned to compete with the monopoly that BBs have on the larger deals.
Plus, it is common for BBs to do MM deals in Europe so its hard for US EBs to find their place.
agree for Evercore but not true for PJT Laz or Roths in London
Honestly, it depends on which team you're talking about. EVR London is quite large now so you can't just say the entire office sucks.
The teams that are decent / have a good deal flow - FIG, Infra (both are legacy Lexicon though you'll 100% get rekted in Infra), Healthcare (Is actually under the US umbrella, you will kind of get rekted based on some of the stories), GAMA (UK M&A team - you won't get rekted). You can also include Secondaries advisory if you want.
Chemicals and Rx will rekt your life. Not sure what energy, consumer, equity advisory etc are up to.
Complaining about TC of 220-230 for AN1 dear lord
It’s more of a complaint on the fact that 2nd years got paid exactly the same as last year. No increase in pay whatsoever which clearly indicates they have no desire to retain talent.
If you’re dumb enough to leave Evercore for another bank over allegedly being snubbed $10k or whatever the minimal pre-tax (nil post tax) amount is that keeps you happy - then by all means leave because you’re a headcase who misses the forest for the trees
The people who are talking sh*t about diversity hiring as a bad thing for culture, like seriously? From my perspective at a different EB, I wish we got more diversity instead of a class of finance hardoes (seriously, this is not a good thing for the analyst experience).
People don't want "finance hardos", they want people with solid personalities who (very importantly) can also pull their weight. If they can't pull their weight at the analyst level, you get burned because there's less capacity in the bullpen. If they can't (or won't) pull their weight at the associate level, you get burned because you're doing all of the work for the deal team. The latter is honestly probably even worse for your mental health. One of the worst post-MBA associates you can get stuck with is female banker who thought "eh I guess i'll do banking" in business school and had bullshit experience like Teach for America beforehand. They do no actual work, are barely functional in excel, don't understand finance very well, and to add "value" spend an excessive amount of time iterating on trivial formatting junk. And even if they're actually competent they tend to morph the group into a cold, sterile F500 culture instead of a traditional camaraderie driven finance culture.
Obviously judge individuals as individuals - there are a ton of diversity candidates that are good. But you should also judge groups as groups, and collectively they make things worse.
^Most spot-on comment I’ve seen on this forum. People harp on URM diversity hires but my god, categorically the most useless are the post-MBA female associates. (I actually enjoy working with most of the post-MBAs in our group, ex-military and state school big4 types who absolutely crank, are fun to be around and have my back)
Talking to these guys, the reason why there are so many train wreck post-MBA female associates is the hiring quota. Firm’s want a 50/50 split at the Associate level, but women only make up ~10-20% of the potential recruits at target schools. Hence the bar gets lowered, a lot. Add to this easy interviews, hefty scholarships and the standard dose of entitlement from the water supply in Westchester/ CT and you get a $400,000 email forwarding service
Have legit worked w that MBA assoc lol
Based. Undergrad diversity/woman hires are dogshit and post-MBA diversity/woman hires are dogshit wrapped in cat shit
Get all the other complaints like quality going down, but surprised people are complaining about comp of 220k+ straight out of undergrad. I understand it’s lower than 2021’s, but 2021 was an absolute monster year and we’re likely close to a recession. What were y’all expecting?
This is the correct take. Can’t imagine this forum when recession bonuses hit and it’s getting a smaller bonus than expected vs. getting canned right before bonus payout
An1 and An2s got paid the same. An2s at competing EBs made $40k more.
Some may call this pocket change, but Evercore is supposed to be the top EB and these figures disproves that and show they simply are not keeping up with their competition… in addition to senior churn
Grass may seem greener on the other side, but there is still no doubt that Evercore is still likely the best EB to be at for many reasons. Give it one or two more cycles for bonus cycle to see what the new normalized rate is first across the street.
Yet they still won’t even look my direction as someone who wants to lateral FT from a mid tier BB with a return offer in hand. If no one else wants to work there, I gladly volunteer lmao
that's because they probably don't have enough spots. Lateraling after the summer requires people to either suck or reject offers. People probably aren't rejecting offers from Evercore and people sucking is hit or miss.
It's always easier to lateral after you have actual experience, i.e. within or after your first year. You just wait for people to realize they hate the job and quit.
The reason you can’t lateral into EVR is because they’ve given everyone return offers because of the impending recession (unless you truly fucking sucked). It might be harder to recruit than in historical lateral markets for this reason. Also people haven’t left after bonus news yet, so maybe the churn in the upcoming weeks will help you out.
Source: NY Analyst at EVR
My comment was more meant to be sarcastic but you’ve given some great advice here so appreciate that. Wasn’t necessarily looking to make it sound like I’m only trying to jump to EVR with 0 success but your points make sense as to why networking there hasn’t been successful. Thanks!
heard their ft process is pretty closed door and school focused
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Based on the results of on-cycle recruiting this year, I think it's pretty clear that Evercore is still an EB...
What were exits? Which groups placed best?
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