I’m Graduating in May 26’ and don’t have a job yet. How cooked am I?
Essentially i’m graduating from a non-target school and i’ve applied to many firms for SA & FT positions but i’ve only gotten rejected or ghosted. I have a good resume (IB & PE internships, 3.7 GPA, Extracurriculars, etc) but im still not able to land shit. (I dont care about location within the US so i’ve applied everywhere)
I’ve read a bunch online about my class being the one that has suffered the most from recruiting since the 08’ crisis, Nepo friends not able to secure a job, and connections from coffee chats that have also struggled to get jobs for their family members (all IB btw).
I thought that my dual nationality (US & Vzla) upbringing was going to help a bit for LATAM teams but i’ve had no success whatsoever (not saying that this is an excuse bc it isn’t).
These things have made me really think if its worth it to go into IB or go somewhere with a similar pay range (lower) and less hours. I’m a little lost as to where I should apply or go into as everything is getting discouraging for me.
My parents also told me that if I have to go back home to Venezuela after college, that I’m a failure (just to show the gravity of the situation).
If y’all have any word of advice on where y’all recommend to apply or do, pls lmk.
Any help would be great, Cheers.
Why not do something other than IB? You can always MBA or try lateraling if you’re so set on banking
MBA isn’t really a choice for me as I want to gain some exposure to work before I pursue it but I’ll still keep the door open. I think the only option here is lateraling into IB or something similar.
MBA students w no FT work experience aretstruggling to get hired as well.
Implication was getting the work experience and trying for a top mba program that places into ib regularly
Few things pop out to me. First, you say you have IB and PE on your resume. What I would assume reading a resume with both of those on it is either "He was piss poor at his work and didn't get a return offer" or "He's never going to want to come to a lower tier firm or non IB firm, so we shouldn't bother hiring him".
I am left wondering why you never got a return offer. As for LATAM and your duel citizenship, it won't help entry level. All work you do for the first few years is roughly the same. Late career when you basically become a client manager, speaking Spanish can help a ton.
Going back to Venezuela to pursue finance feels like going to the Sahara to sell sand. It's probably one of the worst places on earth to work in finance, as there's basically no institutions there.
Most firms don't hire too many people in FT because they fill from their summer class. Like this:
I'm not saying the job market is great, it isn't, but blaming here does nothing to benefit you. Also, IB is currently expanding a lot to fit new deal flow in M&A. It isn't the easiest job market out there, but comparing it to '08 is really disingenuous. I wasn't working in '08, but I was in HS when it happened, and I remember what it was like looking at finance. People genuinely thought that the entire system could fall apart in days. Unemployment was more than double what it currently is. So while it is technically true that this is the hardest class since 2008, that's not exactly a fair comparison to say it's at all similar to 08, just that the 2010s were an astonishingly good period of time for finance as a bounceback of financial firms combined with ZIRP
You don't really have a choice, if we're being for real here. You gotta apply everywhere. You gotta network everywhere. You don't really have the choice here on what to do. You would if you had return offers, but beggars can't be choosers.
You could eventually make it back to IB, or even onto the buyside, from a more untraditional path. Just look on linkedin. Do a lot of people who exit to PE or hedge funds come from IB? Yeah, but plenty more come from the most random backgrounds possible, all because they had some knowledge or skills the firm hiring them needed.
Well said man, thank you for this.
Regarding the Return offer, my IB internship was remote and they didn’t do return offers and my PE internship only accepted one return offer which ended up going to the daughter of the Partner. I understand what you’re saying and ur completely right.
Regarding Venezuela, you have the right idea, but the Salary there is genuinely miserable ($1000 a month). I don’t see myself working there either because I think the same way that my parents do.
I’m also not putting the blame on anyone with regards to my employment and it’s also unfair to point fingers, because at the end of the day, i’m responsible for everything.
I’ll see what happens now until May and hope to god I find something.
Thank you for being transparent and not sugarcoating it.
The hard truth is that from the way you describe your internships, they were pretty BS and have pretty little weight on a resume. No reputable place is doing a fully remote internship, especially with no ROs, and the PE place sounds like some tiny shop too. I think you should be broadening your horizons and looking at jobs in other fields as well, instead of clinging to the prestige of IB or PE. I would probably take a commercial banking or a credit rating job over your places
I agree with what another commenter said, about your internships being remote only and with a PE firm where only the daughter of a partner got a return. To me, if I've never heard of a firm and you were doing some work there, I have no idea what it is you actually did because I don't know the reputation of the firm.
I wouldn't remove them or anything, but as an IB hiring manager, I would basically discount that experience. Now, as someone who has seen hiring at smaller banks who need people to manage different things(My school was close to a southern bank, and I had a lot of friends who went to go work there after college), they tend to just want some experience. Look at firms like Truist, WF, or other banks that are more regional, for things like DCM or RE. The standard of who gets in is lower, and the actual long term outcomes aren't too off of what most people in IB end up doing.
As someone who actually goes to school in Venezuela: deal flow isn't completely dead but it's obviously not great.
EY here has basically expanded to do M&A, restructuring and IB informally, besides their regular consulting/risk work. The rest of the Big 4 have shut off their deal advisory and valuation teams for the most part, so accounting is the only thing you can really recruit for there. BBVA's IB here is non-existent. Commercial banking is where most of the big banks' activity takes place and even then, salaries are pretty low.
The only big national bank I know that does IB is Mercantil, supporting their Panama office. There is another small IB that supposedly has advised on deals over the last five years but I've never spoken to anyone there. However, there are some decent WM/AM firms here and I have seen people hop to very good US MBAs from there and recruit for investment banking at BBs later.
I'm in the same situation as the The_honorable_JP in that I'm also a dual citizen, but with the crucial difference that I actually go to school here. I've been cold applying for 2027 SA roles to see if by some miracle I can get an interview with a couple of previous internships at a search fund/YC startup (and I'll probably do the same when consulting recruiting comes around), but in all likelihood I'm going to have to take the MBA route a few years after I graduate.
i feel your pressure with international as well my advice use trackr finance for apps, broaden your search I did not end up where I expected but solid shop nonetheless.
Thanks for the feedback man. Appreciate the help
This aged well. Have fun in Venezuela!
Lmao shit went down tdy and it’s been non stop.
I hear Venezuela is looking for a new President
Where can I apply???
Lmao, i’ll see if JPM, citi or BofA is interesting in operations in Vzla.
Time to start recruiting for literally anything in finance you can get. FP&A, corporate finance.. do 2-3 years and then go to MBA to reset and get into IB. You can't afford to be at all picky at this point.
I would also probably remove any obvious references to Venezuela on your resume given the current situation, even if you're a US citizen people will shy away from that. Just put "remote" for location, or no location at all.
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