Is Stern or Ross a more prestigious undergrad?
I am choosing between these two right now, and they seem pretty identical on placement, etc. I am a very competitive person and I will thrive in the Stern environment, but I also like to fuck around and will have fun in Ann Arbor.
Since I'm basically tied on all of these, I'm gonna pick on prestige. Which is more prestigious among people who matter? This includes analysts, wealthy people outside of finance, and finance higher-ups. Thx.
Defo Stern imo
Stern full stop. Keep in mind though that people over the age of 50 still think NYU is a shitty commuter school.
Dogshit vs Horseshit
How is either shit? PLease explain
They aren't it's prob someone who went to dartmouth
Stern - as a Ross student but Michigan kids probably have more fun.
Ross by far if you value any form of balance in social life. Getting into a decent club/b-frat sets you up well for recruiting. Being in a real college town with sports culture is heavily undervalued imo and you don’t have to compete with as many hardos as you would at stern
How can it be undervalued if everyone talks about it and every college except for like 3 has it (sports culture and college town)... I'd much rather live in new york and build my identity in adulthood around the smartest and most developed people in the world.
Fair enough - just don’t think you need to sacrifice a true college experience in order to develop professionally and/or place at top EBs/BBs. Being in good orgs at michigan can get you into any process that a comparable stern kid can get
If you are even semi-normal and sociable (i.e., not spoiled international trust fund kid or hyper striver asian/indian) you will have a big leg up in interviewing compared to classmates
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What is unclear about that
stern def more prestigious but if ur good enough to get an offer from stern ur probably good enough to get an offer from ross and would have more fun there
Stern at most is like a Columbia and at worst like a Umich Ross lol. Have seen people turn down plenty of T10 schools for Stern from my hs.
Yeah I’ve seen people turn down UChicago, Cornell, and Brown for stern, hard to see that for Ross
A lot of Chicago/Cornell/Duke, occasional Columbia.
congrats on Stern!
Was fortunate enough to get into both, chose Ross. Stern might be more “prestigious” but I had interviews at just about every top EB / BB. Michigan is undoubtedly a much better college experience. Unless you love New York, don’t see why you’d choose marginally better looks, if they even exist, over a better college experience. You’ll likely be in New York when you graduate anyways.
You'll be in new york working 85 hour weeks... hardly able to enjoy the NYC experience.
I'm gonna take a different angle than everyone else here... if you truly want to be successful (8 figures), you need a fucking brain to back it up. Do you want to spend the most intellectually formative years of your life surrounded by idiot in-state students with 1350 SAT scores and retarded blonde sorority chicks, or in the smartest place in the universe (def not shitty NYU, but NYC, columbia, and stern to a degree)... easy choice.
You sound like a blast at parties
Am I wrong?
Yep
The dumb sorority chicks day in day out
Agree with you that is definitely an easy choice.
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This is a terrible take.
Anecdotally, I know founders, Microsoft SWEs, Corp Dev leaders, and PE partners who went to U of Michigan for UG.
But forget my anecdotal evidence. Lets list some U of M alumni: Larry Page (yes, that Larry Page), Daniel Gilbert (founded Rocket Mortgage with a 25B+ net worth), Eric Lefkofsky and Brad Keywell (both founders of Groupon), Bharat Desai (founder of Syntel)
Ok so now we have (hopefully) established that you can actually generate 8 figures (or 11, but what difference does it make) out of U of M.
Lets get back to the main point at hand.
If you pick UG only to maximize your future earnings, you are, how should I put this, a total f*cking loser.
Youre going to tell me that college experience matters NOT AT ALL?
Michigan is full of good parties, hot girls, and incredible athletics. NYU has what? Some of the biggest dorks I've ever met. The only people I would ever want to talk to are the girls getting their masters in something meaningless from NYU, because theyre pretty well off and directionless. The only people who likes people from NYU UG hardos are..... other NYU UG hardos.
Good luck becoming the next Henry Kravis at NYU you goober. You're in college talking about earning 8 figures, how about you get through 2 years of IB and see if you land a buy-side offer. Talk about being too big for your britches.
Even if you do gain some marginal upside by selecting NYU, your chances of having the most fun college experience plummet 100x.
And just FYI, before you scream "hes a UofM alumni, hes biased af!" No, no I am not, but I do know which colleges are actually fun to visit. And spoiler alert, no one goes to NYU for a good time.
Thanks dave portnoy. Based on the IQ communicated by your writing, congrats on Detroit + 1300 SAT + UMich in-state acceptance!
Tons of people go to NYU for a fun time
you sound like the type of guy who sits down to pee
Stern, if we're talking about NYC IB. Ross is more well-rounded business feeder nationally. Stern is a primarily a finance feeder (frequently #1 or 2 into NYC banks alongside Wharton), but beyond that, very little which I guess hurts the school's overall "prestige". I will say maybe the placements look similar for the handful of BBs / EBs but the dropoff for Ross after is probably harder than Stern. Stern kids are generally viewed very competently across the street from what I've seen. You can have fun in both, it's just different (I went to Stern, close buddy of mine went to Ross)
I understand your point, and in general it seems logical: NYU Stern School of Business really has a very strong position in IB in New York, and this is felt in the preparation of students and their "readiness for work". The atmosphere and focus there are more applied, and this often gives an advantage at the start of a career.
As for Ross (if you mean Ross School of Business), I agree that it is more universal and provides a broader business background, but it may be slightly inferior to IB due to geography and network.
But the moment with Russia looks dubious. If we are really talking about studying there, then, to be honest, it is difficult to imagine that it can be compared with top Western schools. The educational system there has long had problems with the relevance of programs, practicality of knowledge and global recognition of diplomas. Plus, access to international opportunities and networks is limited, which is critically important for finance. Therefore, it is not a fact that such experience can be put on a par with Stern or Ross - and, frankly, it is doubtful that one can get a level of training there that is truly valued on the global market.
equally insufferable
I'd put it like this... ross kids get a hit of dopamine when people put their school in the same tier as stern
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Basically the same but would go to Ross for a better college experience (unless your parents are rich af and are willing to pay for your shenanigans in NY for 4 years)
This is correct. If you have infinite access to money, maybe NYU. Ross will be much more fun. I had buddies who went to Columbia and got bottle service most nights in college. It was great that their dad paid for it. I didn't have that so NYC didn't make any sense. I went to 2 big state schools for engineering, and I probably had a lot more fun to be honest. Still ended up in the same jobs and opportunity set.
Has to be stern... proximity to New York firms easily gives it more than just an edge.
If your prestige test is, "Hey, I went to ___ school. Nice to meet you," then Stern definitely edges Ross. When I meet a kid from Stern I assume they're more competent in terms of finance and school > when I meet a kid from Michigan.
That said, in terms of placing into IB, I think the better choice is Michigan since Stern is notoriously competitive and toxic. What I will say on that: 1. Toxic competition is a loser's game while recruiting. It's not that deep; at the end of the day, it's your first job out of college. If you learn to behave like this as a person, it will come back to bite you in the future (not a good habit to build and you don't want to be taught to do so early on). 2. If we look at placements per capita, I think Stern might be the worst "target" school: It feels like everyone is gunning for IB or PE and there's only so many seats to fill at these banks, plus those "top" seats (e.g. MF PE) will always prefer HPW > Stern no matter how "cracked" a Stern kid is. You're better off going to a prestigious school that doesn't revolve around who can place at the best bank, ironically even when your goal is to place at the best bank. 3. In terms of your education, I've always thought studying finance in college is a complete waste of time (hate on me if you want). So if you see that competition as influencing you to be better in your studies irrespective of recruiting, then sure - but dedicating that effort to studying finance is useless. Again, just my opinion.
All of that isn't even to mention that your overall college experience and enjoyment will be much higher at Michigan. Ever single NYU person I've ever met has nothing memorable to say about the school - and I've met many. There isn't the slightest school spirit or community that exists there and it sounds completely demoralizing and depressing. In contrast, a majority of people who talk about their college experience will reflect fondly and still hold onto some degree of appreciation for their school to this day. I honestly just feel bad for the NYU students I've met - like guys, there's so much more to life than finance and recruiting, and so much you missed out on.
Honestly I am kind of shocked that people think Stern is better. I would take Ross all day. I think Ross/McIntire are the best business schools in the country alongside Wharton.
I would imagine per capita placement is much better there and you’d probably have a way better time (have met many great UMich/UVA alum, Stern guys are generally fucking losers in my experience). Sorry if I offend any non autistic grads out of that school.
Also know a guy from my high school who goes to NYU. He missed the window for club recruiting (which is very early and extremely competitive, and will ostracize those who network later and aren’t also in the same club) and failed to place. Sounds like a pretty fucking miserable experience whilst having to hinder your social life
It’s a bunch of NYU losers glazing in the comments lol ask anyone noteworthy in finance and it’s an instant agreement that Ross is preferable. Just look at the admissions stats…not close lmao
Really? I always thought Stern was harder to get into, super low acceptance rate and higher SAT scores etc. I remember looking like 2 years ago and it was a higher median SAT than Wharton
poets and quants:
Holy Ross cope jesus. Every ross student astroturfing their school in these comments is insane. In no world is Ross better at placements or the quality of students the same.
Obviously stern
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