UK-Semi Target/Target vs China Target Undergrad for HK IBD & AMPB
I'm currently a first-year student at a UK Semi-target/Target (think UCL, Warwick, Durham etc) from Hong Kong who is looking to break into HK AMPB/IBD. There are two possible paths that I was considering (both including a masters degree as I believe it would give me a better shot) and would appreciate any advice and feedback regarding which one would give me a better shot at breaking into HK AM/IBD.
Path 1: Stay for 3 years --> China Masters 2 yrs (Tsinghua, Peking, etc)
Path 2: Transfer next year to Chinese Undergrad Target (THU/PKU) --> Top MFin in UK/US (Princeton, Berkeley, Oxford etc).
The reason why I initially thought of the second path was because it would be cheaper, and if it offers me better outcomes while being only a fraction of the price I feel it would be a reasonable decision for me to take.
Thanks in advance.
Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's a breakdown of your two paths and their potential outcomes for breaking into HK IBD/AMPB:
Path 1: UK Semi-Target/Target Undergrad → China Masters (Tsinghua, Peking, etc.)
Pros:
Cons:
Path 2: Transfer to Chinese Undergrad Target (Tsinghua, Peking) → Top MFin in UK/US (Princeton, Berkeley, Oxford, etc.)
Pros:
Cons:
Key Considerations:
HK IBD/AMPB Preferences:
Cost vs. ROI:
Language and Networking:
Recommendation:
Ultimately, both paths can lead to success in HK IBD/AMPB, but your decision should align with your financial situation, language skills, and long-term career goals.
Sources: Q&A: HK IBD, Q&A: HK IBD, 20 Most Frequently Asked Questions - London Edition
If you are truly from UCL then you shouldn't have a hard time breaking into IB. I know because I am also from Hong Kong and had multiple offers from IBD London / Hong Kong.
Thanks for your response. Did you do spring weeks 1st year/ summer internships 2nd year while you were at UCL?
No spring weeks but I did do a summer internship at a reputable MM back in Hong Kong. Currently at a BB in London.
HK is becoming more school agnostic so as long as you're not from a random polytechnic school then you're good, at least if you're from Warwick or even Durham you still stand a good chance of recruiting in HK. A lot of people could break in without having to undertake Master degrees too. However, what truly differentiate you and get you interviews are:
1, How many relevant internship experiences you have? If you take a look closely at all the incoming/current SA or current analysts there, most of them already have stacked resume under their belt. Brand names are not that important but you MUST have at least 2 M&A/corporate finance internship experiences, ideally paid ones.
2, Your Mandarin fluency. When recruiting for IB, some banks do have Mandarin language test as part of the interview process (either written or during the interview they'd ask you some questions and you're required to respond in Mandarin). For AM/PB? Good luck since lots of interviews were carried out 100% in Mandarin, even HK desk.
not from Durham but ok. Just mentioned all the schools that the OP listed
Thank you for taking the time to write this detailed response. Would you say that cantonese skills are required as well? Or is it mainly fluent mandarin for recruiting? Also, are other divisions like ER/S&T less strict on that mandarin requirement or is it equally compulsory to have native Mandarin fluency?
Cantonese has nothing to do with IB/AM/PB or any client facing finance roles in HK since the main clientele is from the Mainland. Not sure about ER, but for S&T Mandarin is not a requirement and teams are usually more international. Schools are even less important for S&T too.
I don't think you'll have a hard time recruiting in either London or Hong Kong. I went to one of the schools you mentioned and a few of my closest friends (also in IB) are from HK. From speaking to them regularly, one thing is that the Chinafication of Hong Kong (not just political but the main client source is from the mainland in HK nowadays) means that a lot of emphasis is obviously placed on language, Cantonese and Mandarin. One of said friends was schooled abroad, so had to really make sure his Chinese languages were up to scratch despite being originally from there. From what I've heard, Hong Kong culture is quite old school and a lot of the seniors trained and spent their junior-mid years in London / NYC before coming back to HK to settle down. I think there is a strong element of respect and regard for London / American trained/educated bankers going back, so that is also an option to spend time in London before returning later (unless the elephant in the room of geopolitics makes it undesirable). Junior recruiting in HK is obviously a bit more limited with fewer seats, so it may be easier for you to get a good internship or 2-3 years FT in the UK before heading back. Lastly, as an imperative which I'm sure you'd be familiar with, the HK & Chinese markets are booming. HK is an ECM powerhouse but you're also seeing a ton of multinational public divestments / disposals in China that are being brought up by local strategics and growing PE with deeper capital market potential.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write this. You mentioned that it would be easier breaking into banking in the UK first before moving to HK given that there are more seats in the UK, but would this still be the case as an international student? Do you think being a non-UK citizen will be an obstacle in UK recruiting?
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