Biden has crippled the democratic party. His delusion and ego have taken him to demand that he is the democratic candidate to face Donald Trump. He faces two problems: he is not polling well against Trump and also if he did win, there is no way his mental competence gets him to 86 years old in his final term. How delusional do you have to be to think you're actually good. I don't understand Biden. He should just bow out, but refuses.
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Was also seeing some news that Biden staying in was the best thing for Trump.
This isn't a "just". It's been getting pointed out for years at this point. The DNC and legacy leftwing media establishment deliberately did this to themselves though, I don't think you can blame it all on the Biden family. I hope the irony of the party that's always going on about saving democracy having for over a decade at this point systematically made pointed efforts to disenfranchise large parts of their own voter base is not lost on people.
In 2016, it is a fact that the DNC primary was rigged to prevent Bernie, a leftwing populist, from winning, and collusion installed Hilary as she was the heir apparent to win after Obama. Her campaign even went so far as to promote media coverage and indirect support to Trump vs other RNC candidates because his campaign at the start was seen as a big joke and easier to beat in the general if he got the nomination. That burned them BAD and as a result had them desperate to take even more extreme measures leading up to 2020 (e.g. funding of the Steele dossier to inspire multiple years of the Russia collusion hoax).
In 2020, they had an entire field of other younger candidates not to mention Bernie, who once again polled better vs Trump than literally every other Democrat running because of their populist overlap (a good portion of Bernie supporters actually flipped to Trump in 2016 after they saw what happened to their guy). Lo and behold Iowa Caucus comes along and almost all of the other notable candidates drop to align behind Biden (despite him not even being top 2 going into the caucus). He then proceeds to pick a VP who was so bad she had to drop out before said caucus because she couldn't win a single delegate (and she's polling worse as VP than Cheney did after he literally shot a guy in the face and started multiple wars under false pretenses).
Now we're in 2024. They had 2 other younger (but still old, both in their 70s), viable candidates in RFK (literal Democrat royalty) and Marianne Williamson (comparable in many ways to Bernie) who were systematically excluded from significant legacy media coverage and opportunities to address the public through debates or town halls because they both showed open discontent towards the establishment. RFK went so far as to now split off as an independent which undoubtedly hurts Biden more than it hurts Trump. All the while these past 4 years every gaff, every fall, every reading of the cue cards, has been played off as right wing propaganda. The Press Sec went so far as to make up a new term, "cheapfakes", to try and reclassify the seemingly endless pieces of footage that show Biden in a bad light that aren't manipulated in any way as misinformation due to "missing context". It's a shock the politically ignorant (majority of voters) to have seen his debate performance and all the press suddenly turn against him when not even a month ago you could've made compilations of all the talking heads discussing how "sharp" and "insightful" Biden was behind closed doors (when a more likely reality is he was probably sleeping through meetings and soiling himself). How does anyone save face in such an absurd scenario?
Now the party is rightly fucked. Biden can't be removed unless he willingly leaves, keels over, or gets hit with the 25th Amendment (not a 0% chance). If he does somehow leave the field they face 2 massive issues.
So what is there? I'm genuinely asking someone who follows Democrat politics to chime in here. Biden seems noticeably weaker and more incoherent in recent appearances than he did 6 months ago, and he was already bad. It's accelerating, as anyone with family members suffering from dementia can tell you it will. What does he look like in another 3-4 months? My money is on not very good.
Newsom, Michelle Obama?
Newsom is already addressed above, he's arguably the "best" option for Democrats but wouldn't play well for a multitude of reasons. Chief of which is how will it look to see the "black" woman on the current ticket get passed over for a rich white guy from CA political royalty that owns vineyards and literally looks like someone who would've owned slaves back in the day (ignoring that Harris's family actually did lol).
Everyone who keeps saying Michelle Obama is a serious player is IMO delusional. It's easy to "say" someone is popular without having to actually back it up. She's never held any office. She's never done anything of note aside from be married to Obama and is a nobody without his name. The one "push" she tried to make as First Lady to address the obesity epidemic was completely subverted by Big Food - it started out as addressing healthy eating practices and promoting reform to FDA policy then morphed into the Let's Move campaign, which completely ignored that the overwhelming majority of obesity is diet-related and pretended as if breaking a sweat for a half hour was some massive revelation (it wasn't), and subsequently faded into complete obscurity within a few years. Obama himself isn't looked back on as particularly favorable right now either and given his name is all she has, some of that same animosity would undoubtedly be levied her way as well. Oprah would be a better candidate if you really want to lean into the whole black woman theme, and she would not be a good candidate.
She would be great on the ticket, as she is very well liked, very intelligent, and was in the White House for 8 years. With that said, there is no indication, she wants the job. She would have to take one for the team and accept a role. Her lack of experience does not matter. If experience mattered, Trump was never have become POTUS.
Polling seems to indicate that RFK draws slightly more support from Republican-leaning voters than Democrats (with women being more likely to vote for him, funnily enough), so it would seem he's likely to hurt Trump more than Biden. Which is unsurprising, considering that, while he started out as a Dem, he quickly pivoted to conspiracy theories and anti-establishment populist kookiness. Biden's still losing this election, of course, regardless of what RFK does.
I don't know what polling you're looking at so will have to take your word for it. RFK's positions on abortion, gun rights, and support for DEI initiatives completely eliminate him from contention in the majority of red states so I'm quite confident whatever you're looking at is just Democrat cope to try and downplay his threat to Biden. He's a completely superior value prop for the average Democrat - decades of professional experience as a lawyer fighting for the environment and against big corporations, agrees with all their key ideological positions, toss in some populism/anti-war sentiment which has majority support from both constituencies, add a dash of wow factor coming from a legendary blue family vs the sleezy old pedo from Delaware who fought for credit card companies, against racial desegregation, partnered with Strom Thurmond and helped write the '94 Crime Bill, and has only ever worked in politics. The idea RFK pivoted to conspiracy theories is propagated by the same people who claimed the lab leak theory was a conspiracy, that the MRNA vaccines were 100% safe & effective, and who are eager to continue pumping money into the infinite pit that is Ukraine so I think we can safely disregard those assertions entirely.
I wonder what the logic is on their end for doing this. Seems like a suicide run with him at the helm. It's also hard for him to say he will change anything given he was VP, then president and he did nothing of note.
You're thinking about it the wrong way. This isn't part of some grand Dem strategy. It's just politics. Biden is too stubborn to withdraw and nobody of note in the party is willing to challenge him openly (for now), lest they be branded as traitors. Everybody's looking out for their own career while the ship is slowly sinking. Tragedy of the commons, in a way.
I also wouldn't say Biden has done nothing of note. He has passed several major bills, among other things. He and his team are just terrible at advertising it.
Dems knew what would happen and they marched Biden into a debate slaughterhouse. They hoped he would bow out, but they lost control of the puppet.
I am 90% sure Biden will not be on the ticket in November. He can't withdraw unless they have a plan in place to replace him and I am sure that is what the dems are working on as I write this comment.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna160625
This is how it happens- first the media starts questioning his mental competency, allowing the topic to be part of normal, acceptable discussion. Then a few unknown (aside from Nalder) politicians jump in to make it ok for the others. We'll start seeing bigger names in the next few weeks, and he'll step aside shortly after.
Same issue they had with Ruth Bader Ginsberg. She was on her death bed and could have resigned during Obama to get a left leaning justice on the Court but she was too stubborn and wanted to "outlast" Trump.
Just a very short-sighted group, plagued with stubbornness and infighting.
Can't blame Biden at all tbh
He was forced to step aside in 2016 so Hillary could have her moment and she ultimately brought about the biggest failure for Democrats in decades by being such a bad candidate that Trump won
He was able to fight off younger candidates, fairly, in 2020 and be the one to beat the Don
Why would you step aside now after you proved you can secure the W and in the past you stepping aside just led to disaster?
Intrestingly enough if anyone else was running for Republicans I think Biden has dropped by now. A candidate like DeSantis or Haley would be polling +12pts better than Biden. But Trump has so much baggage that even with Biden being damn near senile he can still stay at arms length in the ring
Trump NEEDS Biden to stay in the race. It is telling for as loud and brash as he is, that there is no dog pilling going on with Biden at the moment. You can talk about current polling with him against Harris all you want, or Harris being unlikeable. But if you put Harris and Trump both on stage moderates will defect to the one presenting themselves as the adult in the room en masse.
Tulsi Gabbard gave Kamala Harris a Stone Cold Stunner that ended her well-funded and media-supported campaign in 45 seconds. And that was during a debate with a dozen candidates on stage. Nothing suggests she could hold court with Trump for two hours.
Biden’s 2020 campaign benefitted immensely from the format of the first debate and Trump foolishly having Chris Christie (who secretly hated him) prep/advise him on it. Second debate was cancelled, ostensibly because Trump had Covid (even though he had recovered and wanted to debate) and by the third debate millions of people had already voted by mail.
Trump’s worst debate performance was the first one in 2020 where the format, the “moderator,” and Trump’s own strategy all worked against him. But in general, debates benefit Trump. He would wreck Kamala Harris.
It is only a matter of time before he is forced out. This is the way it works in the dem party. Once a few people take a stand and call someone out, the dominoes start to fall, which is something I like about dems. On republican side, you practically have to be a terrorist and even then, if they feel you can win, you get to stay.
I hope he keeps running, so the Republicans win. Not particularly a fan of Trump but he’s leagues better than Gavin Newsom
Yeah I completely agree.
I have mixed emotions about him staying in. If he drops out of the race because of "mental health" issues then he needs to resign the Presidency. But the Dems aren't really talking about his mental health issues--they are concerned about his polling. I have zero doubt in my mind that if Biden were polling 5 points ahead of Trump in the swing states that there would be no serious calls among Dems for Biden to drop out. And for Biden to drop out because there is an expectation that he'll lose is entirely un-democratic. The Dems had a primary that Biden won handily--now the party regulars are talking about a tiny handful of DNC delegates just selecting a candidate.
I’m a Rand Paul Republican (Constitutionalist), so I’m not saying this as a Democrat, but in terms of their own ideology and worldview it might make sense for them to install Queen Kamala 👸🏽 into the presidency for the next six months so they can check their “first woman President” box. She would get a big inauguration and a bunch of media hype and photo ops with it, which probably still wouldn’t be enough for her to win, but couldn’t hurt. If she somehow beat Trump they’d be ecstatic and assuming she loses they couldn’t be accused of having thrown her under the bus, plus they could satiate their Identitarian Marxist voting base with the “first woman President” thing.
And at this point, I’d feel far more comfortable with Harris being woken up by advisors at midnight to make a critical decision about national security, versus Joe Biden. Whatever other criticisms I have of Harris, she is a healthy adult of at least average intelligence, which Biden is not.
At the most basic level, I would feel as comfortable riding as a passenger in a car driven by Kamala Harris today as I would with any average American I’d never met. If we shared a cab together as strangers, we’d likely have a pleasant conversation. I would not get into a car that Joe Biden was driving, even assuming I had no prior knowledge of him. It would be immediately obvious upon meeting him, within seconds, that he should not be driving a car. And I could not have a pleasant conversation with him because he clearly has a serious mental incapacitation. That’s where we’re at now.
I say give us Queen Kamala 👸🏽 for six months to make things interesting and then let’s to back to Trump for four more years.
A very decent way to state the obvious
well, do you actually think Democrats would have better chance if Biden stepped out? who do you think would become a candidate then and why would they have a better chance to beat Trump if they didn't beat Biden in Democratic primaries? if Biden stepped out now, Democratic Party would be in chaos and they would scramble and lose.
Biden will win cause he has decent team behind him that are doing an ok work. Biden doesn't need to be in a strong cognitive state - his team will help him make reasonable decisions. on opposite, Trump is now a clear pedophile, while his party is proposing to establish an authoritarian regime in the form of Project 2025.
both of them had a presidential term. Trump hasn't done anything of what he promised - taxes didn't decrease; swamp wasn't drained - on opposite he showed to value nepotism and loyalty more than expertise, knowledge, and abilities, he gave ruling positions to his family; nothing was done to decrease crime; nothing was done to fight anti-white / diversity sentiment in the country. and on opposite, Biden didn't increase taxes, didn't bloat the government, didn't worsen crime, didn't make it harder for police to work, didn't make any anti-white / diversity type of laws. if you just look at them as two candidates instead of Democrats vs Republicans, then Biden is clearly better. I like Republicans more than Democrats, but Biden is better than Trump.
This is the most delusional statement I've ever read. The amount of lies and misinformation in this post are beyond comprehension. It's genuinely bizarre how detached from reality you are.
my statement is just a list of objective facts. your statement is just a subjective hating with zero facts.
Epstein BFF Pedo trump vs. dementia Biden
that’s tuff
Biden's daughter literally accused him of taking "inappropriate showers" with her as a child that helped turn her into a promiscuous adult. The projection is just amazing.
This. And she went beyond that, but I think people should just read it for themselves, as it’s public information in her own handwriting that no one disputes. When someone starts claiming Joe Biden is a man of character, you know you’re dealing with a lost consumer of legacy media. It’s the most ridiculous propaganda.
Biden spent three decades claiming his first wife was killed by a drunk driver, when actually the accident—a horrible tragedy, to be clear—was determined to be her own fault, and the police said the other driver as sober as a judge. Biden just 100% lied about that because it made him look more politically sympathetic, apparently. Imagine lying about something like that. Setting aside a million other things he lied and continuously lies about, that one stands out as very dark. The backlash caused major problems and stress for the other driver, who, again, was not drunk and did nothing wrong.
Biden is a criminal and perhaps the most corrupt President in our country’s history. The overseas bribery from foreign countries and the money laundering and tens of millions that Joe “The Big Guy” Biden has clearly taken under the table from China, Russia, Ukraine, et al is the most insane fucking political scandal I have ever seen. If the entire power structure didn’t hate Trump so much, they would’ve tossed Biden out of office years ago over that matter.
He’s also the most authoritarian President we’ve had in generations at least, from the life-wrecking “vax” mandates to the corrupt prosecutions of his political opponents and beyond.
Biden’s two strongest political gifts are convincing naive people he cares about them and networking with other politicians. He has always been a dumb, mean, corrupt, pathological liar.
Trump can be an asshole but never said he wasn’t. Biden is somehow more of an asshole than Trump while pretending to be a nice guy. It’s so unsettling.
taking a shower with your own child is quite normal, or at least it was normal. that's definitely not on the same level as having sex with a 13yo.
Ok so pedo vs. pedo with dementia
that’s tuff
Because Biden is the best chance to beat Trump. He did it before. And there are not other good or viable candidates to come forward this late in the race.
No one thinks Biden is fully there mentally. His team is likely running the country.
But many people would take that team over Trump and his continuous lies.
Everyday more dem voices in politics and outside of politics have been speaking out against Biden. You can't have that situation and expect to win, which is why he should step aside. The NY Times and WSJ have written that even Nancy Pelosi implied that Biden should reconsider staying in the race.
unless everybody supports you no matter what you do (like rape a 13yo), you should step aside?
Democrats are more reasonable people, so they're trying to weigh in different options. while republicans will worship Trump no matter what we uncover about him (like that he raped a 13yo). republican behavior is way more concerning. you should be able to consider new facts and be able to change your opinion. it's like with finance: you may like some company as an investment, but if you uncover that the company is actually a scam, you should be able to reconsider instead of being stubborn and screaming that the company is not a scam but indeed the best company in the world.
If they ran a ticket with Gavin Newsom and George Clooney as his VP, they would have the “suburban wine mom” demographic on lock. I mean, Newsom is a terrible Governor and person, but he is tall, handsome, and has great hair. And sometimes that’s enough in politics.
Idk how you could align yourself with modern democrats unless you already secured a bag.
As much as I generally agree with this, the problem is that Biden is polling better than any other potential Democrat challenger.
This is true.
Put some blame on powerful people like Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, top donors etc etc who could easily make a public demand that he drop out, and they're not showing the courage to do that. They're beating around the bush, "hinting" that he "might be better off stepping down."
These people have all the money and power in the world and can't even stand up to to this corpse in the White House.
My guess is he's going to step down eventually, when all these gutless cowards finally work up the nerve to demand he steps down. But amazing how long it's taking.
Biden: “and now I want to hand it over to the President of Ukraine, President Putin”
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