Bulge Bracket 2015 Rankings

"MBAGrad2015"

In terms of OVERALL name brand, that ranking is more or less on the mark. But it's irrelevant since you should care about your specific group.

I agree completely. But I was just curious more about how people did think in overall brand. How would you change my rankings?

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Morgan Stanley MA JP Morgan IBD Credit Suisse IBD Citi IBD Douche Bank IBD Barcap IBD BAML IBD UBS IBD

dukeofdukeI want you to rank them!

Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley JP Morgan Credit Suisse Citi Douche Bank Barcap BAML UBS

Get ready for a bunch of losers aspiring to get BAML/UBS jobs come in here and complain about rankings being "meaningless." Yeah, sure bet you'd think that if you were at GS/MS.

This is retarded. Are you really saying that there's that much of a difference between Credit Suisse and Citi? If this post is even in the slightest bit serious, you're much better off with having 3 or so tiers rather than an outright ranking.

Gotta go with tiers.

Tier 1 - GS, MS, elite boutiques (not Perella. Not sure where they fit in)

Tier 2 (more like a 1b) - JPM, CS

Tier 3 - Citi (arguably tier 2), BAML, Barcap, UBS, DB

1. UCONN
2. UK/UNC Winner
3. Butler
4. VCU

Ranking banks is so dumb, but definitely something I would expect from a Dukie

I'd put Citi above CS.

Goldman Sachs Morgan Stanley JP Morgan Citi Credit Suisse Douche Bank Barcap BAML UBS

Or if we go Tiers then:

Tier 1: GS, JPM, MS Tier 2: Citi, CS Tier 3: BAML, Barcap, DB, UBS

Mine:

1) Goldman Sachs 2) Morgan Stanley 3) JP Morgan 4) Credit Suisse Group AG 5) Citigroup 6) Bank of America Merrill Lynch 7) Barclays 8) Deutsche Bank 9) UBS

It depends on location. IE DB is much stronger in Europe, but much weaker in NYC. In New York, it's pretty much impossible to think of bulges by pure rank, as it's highly group centric. ie, Citi M&A is probably better than almost all the groups at Barcap, but the same can't be said on average. I'd say the ranks you posted are relatively accurate if you consider the top group only. In aggregate though, it's much easier to bundle in tiers. On the same tier, you should definitely pick on group and not on prestige. For NYC, it's more like

GS | MS JPM | | CS Citi, BAML, Barcap DB | | | UBS

WOW AWESOME GREAT.

What did this accomplish?

1) Goldman Sachs 2) J.P. Morgan 3) Morgan Stanley 4) Bank of America Merrill Lynch 5) Barclays 6) Credit Suisse Group AG 7) Citigroup 8) Deutsche Bank 9) UBS

I am skeptical about who actually works in banking here. I would rank J.P. Morgan and Barclays higher. J.P. Morgan has been killing in fees over the last few years and has generated the most fees across all products. Both banks are top five across all regions in terms of announced deals. It is true that fees/deal are lower for Barclays but the fact that Barclays have the ability to win deals is a testament to their growth in the U.S. over the last few years.

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That is how I feel about this topic... Cuz I spit hot fire. And this topic is stupid... Centerview is the new gold standard of bankers and their paychecks back it up

Oh and Piper is making a run for it

Prestige rankings are pointless. Its more critical to be in a top group at that particular investment bank. Having said that my rankings are on a global perspective.

1. GS
2. MS
3. JPM
4. CS
5. Citi
6. DB
7. BAML
8. Barclays
9. UBS

"Prestige rankings are pointless. Its more critical to be in a top group at that particular investment bank."

Completely disagree. Top banks matter since they lead to exit ops outside of just investment banking. You are far better off approaching an Apple/Google/GE/IBM recruiter with a top bank on your resume.

For PE, they may look at the group. But in just about every other exit opp, they do not care about the group anywhere near as much. Private equity has probably become less of a focus since its attractiveness has gone down, so individual groups may matter even less now than previously.

1) Goldman 2) JP=MS 4) BAML 5) Credit Suisse 6) DB 7) Deutsche 8) Barcap 9) UBS

This is my preference for where I'd want to work for IBD.

Forgot Citi and DB = Deutsche

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1) Goldman
2) JP=MS
4) BAML
5) Credit Suisse
6) DB
7) Deutsche
8) Barcap
9) UBS

This is my preference for where I'd want to work for IBD.

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1. GS
2. MS
3. JPM

4. BAML

1. Barclays
2. Citi
3. CS

8. DB

1. UBS

Writing this from my perspective European IBD employee. GS is obvious no.1 looking at the prestige with MS just behind. JPM and baml are doing well in overall fee's and feels like both are growing quite a lot, looking to attack the top. Barclays is for me the European giant in IBD and I feel like they have quite a lot going on at least in Europe.

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Global Announced M&A Ranking - 01 Jan - 30 Dec 2013

Pos. Advisor Value $m No. %share Previous YTD 1 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/goldman-sachs" target="_blank">Goldman Sachs</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 718,127 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;362 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;24.8 1 2 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/jpmorgan-chase">JPMorgan</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 664,372 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;276 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;23.0 2 3 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/morgan-stanley">Morgan Stanley</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 598,974 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;307 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;20.7 3 4 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/bank-of-america-merrill-lynch">Bank of America</a></span> <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/bank-of-america-merrill-lynch">Merrill</a></span> Lynch &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;547,418 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;241 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;18.9 8 5 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/barclays-capital">Barclays</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 475,669 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;211 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;16.4 5 6 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/ubs-ag">UBS</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 335,716 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;187 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;11.6 10 7 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/deutsche-bank">Deutsche Bank</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 293,100 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;190 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;10.1 7 8 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/citigroup">Citi</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 287,148 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;217 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;9.9 4 9 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/credit-suisse">Credit Suisse</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 225,910 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;232 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;7.8 6 10 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/lazard">Lazard</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 209,866 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;208 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;7.3 11 11 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/guggenheim-partners" target="_blank">Guggenheim</a></span> Partners LLC &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 159,090 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;12 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5.5 141 12 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/tag/moelis">Moelis</a></span> &amp; Co &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 147,148 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;92 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5.1 22 13 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/bnp-paribas">BNP</a></span> Paribas &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 139,852 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;113 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4.8 15 14 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/rothschild" target="_blank">Rothschild</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 129,780 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;213 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4.5 9 15 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/centerview-partners-0">Centerview Partners</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 105,853 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;27 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.7 18 16 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/evercore" target="_blank">Evercore</a></span> Partners Inc &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 96,979 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;125 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3.4 13 17 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/rbc-royal-bank-of-canada">RBC</a></span> Capital Markets &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 84,944 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;139 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.9 14 18 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/hsbc">HSBC</a></span> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 67,860 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;71 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.4 17 19 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/wells-fargo-and-company">Wells Fargo</a></span> Securities &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 66,814 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;62 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.3 29 20 <span class="keyword_link"><a href="//www.wallstreetoasis.com/company/jefferies-company">Jefferies</a></span> LLC &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 60,487 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;118 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2.1 16 Subtotal &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1,805,868 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2,252 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;62.4 Total &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2,892,803 &nbsp;&nbsp;37,030 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;100.0

I usually go by sexy deals. For example, the sexiest deals are usually swooped by GS/MS (although MS has been getting shafted more and more after FB).

Then I would say JPM grabs the next/same tier of sexy.

It drops off steeply, but CS had quite a few this year. (e.g. Nieman earlier this year)

BC gets some pretty tasty ones in their industrials sector. (I think I remember seeing Boeing)

BAML usually gets its hands on a little bit of everything, and even wins main underwriter on an extremely nice deal once in a while.

DB is huge on anything with large debt and dealing with bonds.

Haven't seen a TON of Citi this year, but that doesn't mean they're falling by any means.

UBS is downgrading its IB so...

That's my view of the BBs after this year. I don't like ranking them one-by-one, but instead just know what's been going on.

Ahhh pre$tige.

We all know guys at top shops that are bloody miserable and the whole prestige factor diminishes over a period of time but from an European 2 pence perspective, if you want to see who has the biggest penis, I'd go with ModernMonkey's list.

1. GS
2. MS
3. JPM

4. BAML

1. Barclays
2. Citi
3. CS

8. DB

1. UBS