So obviously there's TikTok's opinion on the Top G, and just about every "feminists" opinion as well. But I am seriously wondering what the rest of the intellectual banking minds think about him. Obviously he's a pure savage and a little disrespectful, but he does make some valid points, just curious to hear some of your thoughts since he's such a dawg IMO.
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he definitely makes some great points and helps inspire people, but also says some really stupid shit as well.
He makes some good points for sure and he’s definitely entertaining but at the end of the day he runs a Multilevel Marketing Scheme as well as a webcam racket. Take the good advice and enjoy the videos if that’s what floats your boat but you don’t have to agree w/ everything he says and don’t give him your money.
You’re a summer associate and you type like that? Damn man
I know, I’m not sure how it happened either man.
A lot of what he says is facts. He just says it in a way that exposes things about people that they'd rather not cope with which is why he's not well liked
He's an interesting guy. Has a unique background being a biracial kickboxer/businessman living in Eastern Europe. I think he's a net positive. He promotes masculinity which is downplayed in our society. He has gone too far sometimes with his view on women's roles in society. Kinda saved my life tho, listening to his podcast helped end my *orn addiction.
The only net positive impact he's had is in the Romanian sex trafficking vertical.
He doesn't promote true masculinity (moral and physical courage, strength, enterprise and hard work, virtuous living, fidelity, humility, etc.). He promotes faux masculinity (greed, lust, infidelity, vice, pride).
He is 80% full of shit / con man / incel rabble rouser, 20% common sense that the vast majority of the population knows and agrees with.
Some people have let the vocal minority on both sides of the aisle get so far under their skin they think guys like this (not sure what the lib equivalent would be) are great truth tellers. At the end of the day the guy is trying to draw enough eyeballs to sell some percentage of them on his garbage self help program.
Pretty sad there’s a large contingent of young men who look up to him, but maybe more shocking is that professionals on this forum think there is a debate to be had on his merit. Nobody is coming for your manhood. If you’re having issues with women, look in the mirror first.
Entire argument here is disingenous - people made identical "oh come on, that's just tumblr, that's not the real world" arguments back in 2010 and it's laughable how wrong they were. There isn't a "lib Andrew Tate" today because we're living in a world where the lib equivalent(s) gained absolute and total power over news media, social media, culture, academia, and now corporate America. You can easily imagine a Jon Stewart bit from that era laughing at conservative slippery slope arguments, and I doubt even the most obnoxious Jerry Fallwell moral majority type from then could have predicted Dylan Mulvaney themed Bud Light cans. There are probably 20 examples you could list out from 2023 alone that would have seemed laughable to anyone (including libs) from 2010.
It's in the context of hegemonic woke monoculture that Andrew Tate became popular. He's a symptom of a fundamentally broken culture. In a civilization that wasn't insane, you wouldn't need an "Andrew Tate" and he wouldn't be popular.
There's only so many times young men can listen to an SSRI addled third-wave mental patient lecture them about "toxic masculinity" before they start to think Andrew Tate might have a few points.
This right here is exactly what I’m talking about. Scared of your own shadow and spending too much time on the internet / digesting partisan “news”. Sometimes perception is reality and that’s the case with you and the Tater Tots. You’re clearly a very online individual and thus see threats from the woke mob everywhere you look.
I have two kids in liberal NYC. From the garbage you ingest you would think they’d be walking past ANTIFA rallies on their way to the communist school that’s trying to perform sex change operations on them. I haven’t once had transgender propaganda pushed on them and that’s true for 99.99% of parents. Certainly there are unique and singular cases that the media you consume LOVES to push every chance they get. Hence you see it everywhere.
I promise you the world is not that bad and most people don’t give a fuck. Try turning off the news, limiting social media, completely avoiding sites like 4chan and Reddit. The vast vast majority of people you engage with will be just trying to make it through the day and I highly doubt you’ll get any lectures from Transgendered individuals. Again, if you’re having problem with women, look in the mirror first. No woman wants a guy out here regurgitating conservative forum buzz words.
Is it monkey_nuts? Do you have a lot of experience being a parent in today’s school system or are you more concerned with 2024 recruiting timelines?
99.99% come on…..
Lol over 21% of Gen Z identify as LGBT. Do you really think that's the natural percentage?
Oh c'mon. Are you denying that our culture has undergone a radical shift since the early 2010s? There's a lot less things we can talk or even joke about today compared to a decade ago.
No one is saying there are "communist schools" pushing sex change surgeries on kids. But you do have cases like Disney pressuring Florida to teach sexual orientation and gender identity in elementary school. If you told someone in 2010 that a household name like Disney would push to teach sexual orientation to kindergartners, they would have called you crazy. It's reality now.
Beyond political issues, we have a torrent of identity politics and dei initiatives at corporations. The same thing has happened to our entertainment and media to a point that its quality has declined, especially in comedy. I'm not sure if someone would be able to pitch an equivalent of Chappelle's Show or South Park or Robert Downey Jr. doing blackface in today's climate.
The world is different now. While you may think it's just "perception," there's a lot of people noticing these changes and unfortunately identifying with characters like Tate because they're so disillusioned.
Again, dishonest. Everything you just stated - the ability to "tune out the fringes" was comparably true in the Soviet Union, Maoist China, East Germany etc. Sure if you're a dull rube you can probably dodge most of this. You can in virtually every civilization shut out everything but your dumb tasks, go with the flow, and not be killed or cancelled.
You say "very online". But you can have nothing but a college education, print newspaper, and cable media (and not the evil kind like Fox or the WSJ) and make every point I made. That's largely where i'm drawing from. What's "very online" about the most popular brand of beer in the country? What's "very online" about the most popular shoe brand in the country, which featured the same person in promos? Was the Biden administration being "very online" when they released guidelines today restricting limitations on transgender athletes? When most of corporate America attends mandatory DE&I classes, are those "very online"? How about bail reform or prosecutors using their discretion to not enforce criminal laws that they find discriminatory, leading to a multi-decade spike in crime? Are those concerns "very online"?
Very well put
Stopped reading after “intellectual banker”, stop worrying about Andrew Tate and close the offer intern
I honestly have never heard anything he said but the fact that he's a rabid fan favourite of incels and appeals to the lowest common denominator of people who fall for Tiktok-based sagacity and fork over their meagre earnings to be enlightened tells me that he's probably not for me. lol I'm supposed to listen to someone who runs a business called 'Hustler's University'?
I’ve never watched his videos - I don’t understand the appeal of having some sensationalist tell me how to live life
Heard if you put Hustler’s University in the education section of your resume CS will give you an offer on the spot.
Andrew Tate is funny as fuck there is no denying that - Its obvious he is portraying a character of himself. Although his advice is obvious, its the messenger not the message that counts. Whether you want to diss young men or not, the dude's rich, lives an interesting life style, and has hoes so naturally younger men are going to listen to his advice more than some random ass simon sinek mofo. As far as his advice goes with women, I'm not too appalled tbh. The things he says aren't inherently controversial he just spins them into a controversial format. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that men like younger women who are demure and don't have insanely high body counts.
I fucking hate that dude. From his talks, books to his face. Everything.
I like what podcaster Michael Knowles says about people who don't believe in Satan worshipping Satan to mock Christians, etc. He basically says that it doesn't matter if they believe it or not--they're still worshipping Satan. And it doesn't matter if Tate believes the garbage he says or not or if he's "joking" or playing a character. He's promoting vice to young men who are eating it up. It might even be worse if he doesn't believe the evil he's promoting because he's leading others on what he knows is the road to perdition.
He says a lot of stuff, but one thing that really stood out to me was when he torched Sadiq Khan on his 2nd appearance on Piers Morgan Uncensored. Absolutely agree with that point, and no one else has called out the failures of governments that way, which IMHO is what needs to be done to see improvement
It's telling that any semblance of support for him is coming from prospects/1st year analysts and any critique of him is coming from >26 year olds.
You can both agree that he's over the top and that the Romanian detention was completely unlawful and baseless.
That said. He's over the top, sure, but he also wouldn't even exist if society gave better mentorship and guidance to ambitious young guys. You shouldn't assume that a lot of guys grew up with a strong father figure or proper mentorship on things like careers or relationships. Many did not. I give these guys credit to searching the internet to try to find some guidance...I wish though they had better people to look for, because there aren't a whole lot of QUALITY options. The Atlantic or Vanity Fair talking about "toxic masculinity" or whatever isn't a serious option. I'd even say that for people on the right like Matt Walsh, who while I might agree with some of his political points, no ambitious young guy wants to just "get out of the cities" as he says and read Dostoevsky or CS Lewis books all day. The left offers bad solutions, and the right doesn't offer any solution for young men and just wants a time machine. Ambitious young guys want to make money and meet cool girls. Neither side here offers a solution to that. Enter Andrew Tate.
The guys who COULD give proper advice in a less clickbaity over the top fashion often just don't become content creators or do the social media thing. I get it that they're too busy actually running their business or enjoying time with their family and loved ones, but at the same time, if NO ONE puts out good content, no wonder why Andrew Tate took off.
You can call his followers incels or other insults, but they don't care and stuff like this is starting to get tuned out. The only way you're really going to beat Andrew Tate is to ship a better product.
Edit: the long term solution is just strong father figures, but again, don't assume that everyone came from a healthy household or had a strong father figure. We have to help out those guys who fell threw the cracks.
while I certainly don't disagree with everything in your post, Andrew can cry a river on his baseless Romanian detention. The guy chose Romania to live and conduct business in because he thought there would be less regulation and frankly, the general corruption there would obfuscate his going-ons. that of course, has spectacularly backfired and the fact they are potentially being corrupt in how they are potentially baselessly detaining him is par for the course.
It’s not baseless 🤪
I thought Hustler's University was a target school?
Kidding. But I agree with the other poster. Most of what he says is complete garbage (being misogynistic, classist etc.) and the rest is common-sense stuff, like "work hard and you'll succeed" etc. I think he's kind of a parasite for most younger U.S. guys that just end up repeating his braindead mantras and vague platitudes with no plan or goals.
Though, I can't say I necessarily blame them. People are searching for a "masculine" identity in countries where the ideas of masculinity have been turned on their head by society at large, which in turn causes people to lose their identity and search for meaning and end up w/ the Tate Brothers. But his life is not one on which to model yourself.
A lot of people make correct observations; Tate's problem is that his conclusions are wrong and definitely poison to the minds of young men who might otherwise be actual conservatives (as I am). He basically says money (greed) and women (lust) are the highest goals or principles to seek. This mindset is pure poison to a man's soul.
Agreed.
definition of a grifter. Taking information that has been available for a while now and is nothing new, but just repackaging it and selling it to new younger demographic. Will be honest have never seen any of his videos because have better things to do with my life (like post here).
What is more interesting to me is his rise in popularity, which i dont think is any coincidence. For as much harm as people claim individuals like Tate create, it is a direct response to the culture we as a society have either created or allowed. It's not surprising why young men and boys are confused and desperately looking for anything resembling masculine guidance at all.
But instead of addressing the root issue of this (that the penduluum has gone way too far in demonizing masculinity, promoting women just for the sake of being women, admitting that there are innate gender differences both bioligical and social and that it's ok to provide tailored guidance based on this) there will be more head-in-the-sand-intentional-or-otherwise which will further exasperate the divide and reinforce people like Tate's message.
Ultimately, you are not a fully realized adult, or an 'alpha male', if you are wasting time following influencers and being a foot soldier in identity politics warfare. Be your own man.
My 14 year old nephew reposts this guys shit on his Snapchat stories.. so yeah, there’s that
A bit of a plonker
Don't think any of the guys on here hating on Tate have actually watched a long format conversation he's had on a podcast and is purely deriving their opinion on him based on clips. Ya'll are giving him the trump treatment. I guarantee you will probably gain more respect for him if you actually heard the dude flesh out his opinions. Fact of the matter is that those who hate him will call his audience incels, and those that support him will call their opps simps and woke minded.
Easy for you to say. I can't watch 30 sec of the guy without changing the channel.
bro there's no way you don't think this is funny:
;Do you have a girlfriend or wife though
You are going to think back on this in a few years and cringe
Nope nothing to cringe about. If someone is garnering massive hate on the internet your an NPC if you follow that hate. Feel free to hate the dude all you want, but if you don't have some fundamental understanding of what he is saying your claims are unsubstantiated - the same can be said if you support him too.
I dont disagree. Leftist media will find targets that dont agree with their line of thinking and be quick to cry wolf on nazi, sexist, racist, etc. branding. Did the same playbook with Joe Rogan who is absolutely harmless, and Jordan Peterson who is a weirdo but not some radical alt-right drumleader.
I bet Tate isnt much different. Also find it funny when twitter/reddit crowd calls his followers incels, which is basically pot calling kettle black.
Yup well said.
My business partner likes him and continually sends me clips on Instagram. While Andrew tate makes some good points, a bit of it comes off as woman hating at times. Some of the young men who look up to him seem to be insecure of their manhood or have some other issue with themselves or with women in general.
To the young guys reading this, choose your idols wisely and be careful what you feed your mind.
His audience is the (growing) bastion of men who lacked a masucline presence growing up, father figure, etc. to show them the ropes. If you're a bit older you'll know Tate's content is nothing new. In fact I guarantee you it's not even organic, he just took past 'manosphere' stuff (Red Pill, PUA, etc.) and is just selling it as his brand. The difference is younger Gen X and older Millennials who lacked a masculine presence were raised in a culture of 'the nice guy gets the girl' from media, parents, movies, etc. and needed a wake up call
This generation is raised on 'masculinity = bad', being a man = original sin, 'toxic masculinity' whatever that means, etc. so it's no surprise directionless boys/men (the majority btw) are absolutely lost right now and looking for any form of empathetic leadership. Tate's message is mostly correct, it's just branded in a way to get him attention and that is the issue. You used to learn this stuff from your dad, coach, or uncle. Now it's no one. Scott Galloway has highlighed this issue with young men before and has received significant push back because anything that is seen as even remotely sympathetic to men just isnt acceptable by media/academia/etc. today. That is how out of control society has gotten.
Tate isnt the issue. He's just a symptom of the problem.
Like other posters, never heard of him or his brother until the arrests happened. I was too busy doing wild things like...living my own life instead of trying to digest MGTOW advice off the internet. The only thing that interested me was investigating the Romanian detention laws because those are nuts even by US standards. Now back to more interesting things like having a staring contest with those damned pigeons on my balcony.
He is an insecure bottom who is able to make stupid/gullible people believe that toxic masculinity is something to strive for
People take him too seriously.
He's a funny guy on the internet
He’s completely full of shit and a fucking weirdo.
Heard HU is a target school for Jefferies
I wish I could give this more than one monkey shit
The reality is Tate is smart. Not for his "philosophy" if you can call it that, but because he's monetized himself like a genius. We can laugh at Hustler U all we want, (and believe me I do), but sure as shit there are people on here paying for that.
Was genuinely disturbed when I found out recently that an old HS friend admires / loves Andrew Tate. We're in our 30s and he was praising Tate like a teenage boy. Dude's married / settled down and lives a tame lifestyle. Someone I wouldn't have expected to believe in that dude's cult following.
grown men fanboying anyone, whether it's a politician, athlete, social media influencer, etc. is pretty pathetic. Tell him to get off instagram and youtube and go do something with his hands
Not that close with him anyway, ran into him at an airport and got food with him. If I was close with him, I would probably say that.
He says facts. ESP how the laws are favoring women in marriage
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