I'll start off by saying that I have visited before and actually liked my experience in SF, Sausalito, and Napa area. However, I cannot think of an American city with a worse outlook than San Fran due to worsening crime, homelessness, and ridiculous COL.
How can that city come back?
Edit: Bringing back this epic post https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/san-franci…]
Vote for Republicans to run the city.
Haha R bad D good
I know you’re joking but I no joke have had Ivy League educated students tell me this phrase exactly to my face.
You know America's fked when the choice is between actual fascists and lawless virtue signallers. Although if I had to choose, I'd probably still end up supporting the virtue signallers. (I know, Mayors / city legislatures are a completely different ball game to national politics, but still, I bet those things hold true).
What are your thoughts about Youngkin?
actual fascists? please tell me about these actual facscists
Allow for denser zoning and try to capture property taxes in some of the outlying communities. Maybe an integrated Bay Area tax base.
Expanding the housing base will do a lot to solve cost of living and homelessness in the medium term, and those two things will help the other issues too. People will move back into the city if they can afford to and don't have to wade through a moat of homeless to get to work.
Yes, MORE TAXES will solve the problem this time. The last 20+ increases/additions were just a drop in the bucket.
Please quote the part where I indicated I thought it was a good idea to put additional taxes in place.
Like every other conservative troll, you seem to be so triggered by the word "tax" that whatever small amount of sense you have goes flying out the window.
Ozy how the fuck do you have the dumbest possible takes on every single issue? SF went from paradise on earth to an open sewer because brainlet shitlibs let homeless people piss and shit on the street and harass productive people without consequence. They don’t need to raise taxes. They need to criminalize destructive homeless activity and radically increase police aggression and crime enforcement. Then ban foreign wealthy buyers from bidding up the price of real estate.
It’s not hard to see what happened. Shitlibs have made Austin markedly worse in less than a decade. Watching the SFication of the city in real time has been tragic.
San Francisco is what happens when your policy makers are guided by critical theory instead of facts and evidence and reason.
If you are so dumb and so illiterate that you cannot even understand that I didn't actually say at any point that taxes should be increased, then I will wear your insult of "worst possible take" as a badge of pride. Because someone whose grasp of the English language is so piss poor as to have this response to my post... well, the opposite choice from whatever your view is, is likely to be the right one.
You do realize we have 30+ years of proof that "increasing police aggression" doesn't work? And foreign buyers aren't the problem - lack of new development and supply constraints are. Hence, allow for denser zoning.
Well if I didn't realize you were a 14 year old sitting in their mother's basement, the use of the term "shitlib" gave it away. The fact that you're angry that you can't get laid is tragic, but doubling down on anger instead of changing behavior isn't going to fix that issue, buddy.
Hm. That's some bold talk of "facts and evidence and reason" from someone who just demonstrated quite clearly that they can't read English.
I don't know enough about San Francisco politics beyond the housing issue to make a definite statement (and you certainly don't know anything about politics anywhere), but more aggressive policing has been tried elsewhere to absolutely no effect. I suspect there are shitty politicians in SF, the same as anywhere else, but I strongly suspect that a lot of the problems with the city come from an overabundance of NIMBYs who want to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to housing and new development. Just like people in all cities.
Shit and piss on the streets, a thriving homeless population, and high taxes and crime. What else do you want?
Like most great American cities, SF was built by Republicans, perfected by liberals/Democrats, and slowly ruined by progressives. I think SF is in a death spiral that it will never recover from because the voting public is off the rails ideologically. But it could fix most of its housing issues over several generations by expanding housing supply, it could fix most of its crime issues by active policing, and it could fix most of its homeless problems by mandatory drug rehab, active policing and ending policies that aid and abet behaviors that destroy lives. It's not difficult. The slow death spiral is a choice.
I enjoy watching as more and more tech firms relocate to lower cost/lower tax areas as the city (and frankly state) collapses inward on itself. Watching things get worse in all these major blue cities reaffirms how utterly incompetent progressives are, which means eventually their movement will fail. Any movement so heavily rooted in deconstruction inevitably eats itself. Just have to hope the damage is kept to a minimum in the meantime.
But the problem is that these dipshits take their dumb value system with them and immediately begin ruining their new cities. At no point do they ever stop and think “wait, maybe we caused the old place to suck”.
Most of the people commenting on SF are talking about the grimy parts that most people who actually live there don’t even frequent. It’s the equivalent of tourists hanging around penn station and Hell’s Kitchen and then complaining that New York is filthy and overrun with crackheads.
My friends live off the water near Golden Gate Bridge or nearby on the hills and it’s like West Village but with a view. I am not much of an outdoors person but they live half an hour from national parks and surfing and an hour+ away from wineries and skiing. They are not complaining so I’m not sure why you are
Ya, bc he probably has to pay $5k a month in rent or paid $2M for his house there...get some perspective dude..
I live on the other side of the country so only see the non-stop bad news. Some recent stories include a girl shot in the face outside of a Mission District Whole Foods, girl mugged and had her dog stolen in Russian Hill, and reports of rampant organized crime throughout the bay area.
https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/woman-shot-with-bb-gun-while-walkin…
https://abc7news.com/dog-stolen-san-francisco-woman-attacked-sf-missing…
https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Out-of-control-Organ…
This 100%. . I’ve toured Beverly Hills a few times - very clean, luxurious properties. No homeless, virtually no crime, great weather. It’s an amazing area for those who can afford it. Obviously not the same as downtown LA lol.
The fact that SF is located among such natural beauty is the only reason it hasn't collapsed. Dump the policies of SF into the geography of Minneapolis and the place would be an abandoned wasteland.
To answer how it can get worse, it could get worse if the city ceases to become a hub for tech and finance. I am not sure about the likelihood of such an event, but a poor SF would be much worse than current SF
I live in hillsborough/Portola valley/atherton and commute in. So long as you work east coast hours, no traffic, get to enjoy the California lifestyle. That’s the way to do it
Where do young people party down there?
How can it get any worse?
When all the white people and corporations close down their business because of the rampant shoplifting of black people and the refusal (of the DA?) to prosecute anyone stealing less than a thousand dollars worth of goods from a store. Hell, even if someone wanted to prosecute these people (its racist to do that) the criminals are just released from jails due to overcrowding.
Sorry, that must be racist somehow.
How else can it get worse?
CA government removing penalties for knowingly infecting someone with HIV even more. It's already no longer a felony, but we've seen STD levels spike.
How else can it get worse?
Keep throwing away money to give to homeless people for housing. 90% of the time they're either scumbag degenerates or crackheads or mentally ill. In any case, they don't give a fuck about the homes they live in because it's all government-paid for. Within a month the windows are smashed, lights are broken, etc. Name a single government housing complex you'd like to live in that is more than 10 years old. They don't exist, and if they do it's because the repairman is there every week throwing away our money. Also ruins the standard of living and property value of anyone nearby. Just throw in some anti-homeless infrastructure and be done with it
Source: Lived in government housing growing up.
Sidenote: Anyone who is poor in CA who is not of the above should not live in CA. Sorry, you don't just "deserve" to live in the bay area and make minimum wage. Maybe move somewhere that's more affordable.
I'm assuming at a certain point you'll get a pandemic that's deadlier for anyone who's not obese and 70+ and it'll wipe out 50% of the city's population. That's generally how big cities end when managed by liberals.
That or Russia/China invading and exterminating the populace.
I'd fix the problems in two ways. First is overhaul housing. Make it more cost effective to tear down small buildings and build highrises. The more highrises at different price points, the more rent stabilizes and gets better. There are just too many people moving to and living in SF for housing to be stagnant.
The next thing is to implement a soylent green style homeless solution. Make them into food.
1. Capture and sell homeless labor to the gulags (amazon warehouses)
2. Rezone for more high-rise residential buildings to lower rent
3. Underground public transportation to reduce traffic
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