Following from Trayvon Martin, comes another brutal and reprehensible murder.
Shaima Al-Awadi, a 32 year old woman, had kids but was beaten savagely with a fucking tire-iron. Next to her body, they found a letter saying 'go back to your own country, you terrorist'.
Society has become a fucked up place. I realise nothing is perfect and there are some, to put it politely, characters out there but this murder is as disgusting and tragic as that of Trayvon Martin.
Her 17 year old daughter found her dead. Her only crime appears to be that she wore a traditional head-dress and was Muslim.
Racism is rearing its ugly head, and with a vengeance.
PS. The great thing is that the San Diego PD are 'exploring a POSSIBLE hate crime'.
Sorry we're too focused on Travyon Martin right now, she'll have to take a number. Obama and the rest of America are too concerned with the black community to start raising awareness for any other ethnic group's rights at this time.
So on point.
I love you.
Obama is no where blamed in the above post. It is simply a great post describing the hypocrisy of it all. The fact that Obama would waste his time commenting on a local matter is pathetic. He simply cares because this is being described as a racist incident, even though the facts are not known.
Compare this to a known and blatant racist attach against a woman. Where is the Obama press conference on this issue? Oh, that's right, Muslim men and women don't have a 90% approval rating with Obama even though he has been a sub par President at best.
It is his fault. Tire iron production was at an all time low when Obama came into office. Through an 'all of the above' approach, his administration has increased domestic tire iron production to the highest levels in several years. As a result, we are less reliant on foreign produced tire irons and can sleep soundly at night knowing that we are less vulnerable to global tire iron demand.
On a side note, it's sad this lady doesn't look like one of Obama's daughters, otherwise he might have had some nationally televised remarks about the incident.
Regards
You fucking idiot, you shifted this thread about this woman by bringing up Trayvon Martin, Obama, and black people. Some of you guys think about Black Americans entirely too much.
I don't even know where to begin with this one so I'll leave it alone, but trust me, I don't think about black Americans very often, so don't worry. Glad you had something to bring to the conversation though, thanks.
Its sad that this hasnt received more media coverage. The similarities between the two murders are evident. Both are clearly racially motivated, both call into question what the victim was wearing (hoodie or hijab).
The only contrast I see is that they both evoke pros and cons for gun laws. Everyone knows Islamophobia is rife in society right now, but raising awareness and then doing nothing to combat the misconceptions isnt good enough.
Actually, there really are no similarities. This woman was murdered because of her religious beliefs. The case in Florida is still being looked into.
We have too much gun control as it is. What we need is laws being enforced. Also, one person dying does not make a case to revoke anything. Hundreds of thousands of Americans died in combat to protect the right to bear arms and 1 person or 10,000 people dying because of gun violence is not enough to restrict these rights.
Actually, you'll find there are similarities, like I outlined. The woman was persecuted because of her religious beliefs, but murdered because of a suspicious and hateful society.
I'm not advocating gun control in the slightest, just recycling what the fallout has been. I agree laws definitely need to be enforced. In fact, someone breaking into your home and killing you just reinforces the right to bear arms. Obviously, the alternative being an overzealous nutbag who has a gun being the drawback.
are those Prada bed sheets she's wearing?
Holy shit how can she see out of that thing? This is a fucked up story but that picture makes me laugh.
Ridiculous picture to use, considering the story.
Thanks for making me spit water all over my keyboard.
Its fucked up
[quote=dogboo]Its fucked up
]I consider myself a cold-hearted bastard, but had to X out when the daughter started talking
BlackHat has been spitting fire lately. +1
Just hoping for her families sake that this isnt brushed aside because of a greater crusade against Zimmerman.
Keep the hits coming:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/26/salford-acid-attack-racially-m…
I love how you talk about the conservatives drumming up fear to get votes. What the fuck do the Democrats do? What's really sad is you seem to be condoning this here with the standard, "oh, they do it, so we have to do it, too."
And I'm laughing my ass off here. For all this talk of racial equality you sure don't stick up for the white folks out there. Shit, if there's a bunch of white people at a Tea Party rally they MUST be racist. Glad you're here to point this out for us.
Mr. Hansen -
If we took the things people say about Obama here at face value, you'd think that he convened a joint session of Congress to make a statement on the case.
You're right. Saying if I had a kid he would look like the guy who got killed is just commenting on something. Obama should have said it was tragic and the local authorities need to figure it out. Instead he went far beyond that and weighed in on a subject that hasn't been fully investigated.
Keep sucking off the annointed one though. I'm sure he will be hoping and changing all day for you.
Oh and I love the stereotyping of tea party member. Thank god it isn't anyone else other than conservatives or else your actions would be completely racist.
Bigot.
Never meant to attack Obama directly, but like ANT said he made the same damn comment Lebron James did when he went out and said "that could have been my kid" basically. What it comes down to is just that you won't see huge media attention around this one the way you did with Travyon Martin because he's a young black man who was allegedly gunned down in a hate crime. America will easily get behind this issue but wouldn't do the same for an Arab in essentially the same situation. Like I said, she'll have to take a number behind Travyon Martin.
The problem of this whole case was outlined nicely by ANT. Although he may be extreme at times. Why did Obama have to say "that could have been my kid?" How about the kid that was gun down in the streets of any major city because of gang or drug violence that could have been his kid to..You see what I did there. Obama and all "black leaders" (ridiculous phrase) and I hate to use it need to stay out of saying OMGZ this is a race issue and let all the facts come out. The ONLY thing that can be said is that the handling if this case so far is pretty damn shitty. How in the world has this turned into a media circus, people need to me more tight lipped about things like this. It's just like the IMF guy accused of raping some girl and then it was found out to be not true, that shit doesn't need to go public at all till ALL the facts are out. In a case like this woman will never catch on because, lets be serious Americans aren't fond of Muslims so our major "news" out lets wont pick this story up like they did Travyon Martin's case.
Exactly. I have no issue with someone asking Obama about this and Obama saying it was tragic, senseless, etc. He could have said a ton of things that would have been empathetic and/or directing it back to the local stage. Instead he chose to go further and make this about race, make it personal, etc.
Take Obama out of the situation. Forget him. Why has this case blown up all over the place and this woman, who was absolutely killed in a hate crime, gone nowhere? Why was the media playing up the racist angle to the max when in fact, Zimmerman is a minority himself.
Where is the news blitz for the white kid who got gas thrown on him and lit on fire by a black youth?
Starting to see the hypocrisy?
Yet when a white commits a racist acts against blacks it's a media firestorm. The opposite gets nothing.
Yeah, but what are you going to do? I'd venture that the perception that all whites are bigots is one of the stereotypes that elicits the least outcry from our society, because that's the way society is. In so many of our conversations about diversity and overcoming prejudice, whites are too often seen as the source of the problem-- the ones who don't understand, the ones whose attitudes need to be changed, the fucked-up people with hate and ignorance in their hearts. But it has long stemmed from history.
The same way history has condemned Arabs and Muslims for their actions, the same principles have applied to white people. A hallmark of stereotypes is that they are overgeneralizations, and are unfair precisely because they make assumptions about entire groups of people that rob them of individuality.
The same way this woman was deemed a terrorist is the same reason why whites will rarely be able to claim victims of racism. It is what it is now.
There have been a few instances in the UK recently, though:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098726/Second-unprovoked-Asian…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
I don't even buy the premise. Crime is lower in the US than any time in recent memory. These are two deaths. About 14000+ are murdered in the US every year. People seem to conflate these microevents and the overall crime situation. They aren't comparable at all.
Yeah man, hypocrisy.
All murders suck and are senseless, this one included. I just think it is typical junk "news" hyping something that shouldn't be hyped. Now we have reports that Zimmerman was assaulted, that this young adult was suspended from school for stuff, on and on.
I also love how everyone shit on Fox for only mentioning this once while CNN talked about it 44+ times. Turns out Fox was on point for not hyping this non event. Leave it to CNN to hype a news story without any of the facts.
LAME STREAM MEDIA
It doesnt need huge fanfare providing justice is the overriding objective:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/27/us-california-iraqi-death-idU…
Wasn't the whole point about the Zimmerman case the fact that he wasn't even arrested? If so, how are the cases similar? And for those making comparisons to black on white crime, show me a comparable case where the black person wasn't arrested and tried?
Obama commented because though it was a local issue, it inspired national outrage and large scale coverage. A president can't ignore something like that.
I really can't see any similarities between the key underlying issues in both cases.
The overwhelming issue is race so thats how they're projected as similar.
Agree on your other points.
Yeah, the biggest issue is that Zimmerman could seemingly just say "self-defense" and that was that. I don't care who is white or who is black, a law that gives that much leeway is pretty nuts. I don't really care that Trayvon wasn't an angel or that Zimmerman was a dumbass, too. Someone is dead for seemingly senseless reasons.
Reports are that Zimmerman was being assaulted, received medical care at the scene and eye witnesses corroborated this.
Yeah, but again..he was assaulted AFTER he followed the kid. HE pursued the kid. If a random burly dude starts following me when it's dark and rainy out and I'm just walking to my dad's GF's house, as he was, I'd be spooked. I'm not saying I'd violently beat him, but who the fuck knows how the actual fight started.
The fact is that Zimmerman pursued him. There would be no altercation or death if he didn't do that.I'm not saying Trayvon is some angel, but that's not really relevant. The "Stand Your Ground" law seems to imply that you can instigate things and then kill to get out of trouble.
Zimmerman may have bit off more than eh could chew when he decided to play MacGuyver.
Your position has to be that Zimmerman is lying. There is no other position.
So let me understand this. Following a person gives someone the right to punch them in the face and slam their head into the sidewalk?
Zimmerman was neighborhood watch, following someone he thought was suspicious. Yeah, he should have not followed, but following is not a crime and does not warrant an attack.
Stand your ground is not a license to kill, but if you happen to stand your ground and violence happens you should not be blamed. The onus is on the person breaking the law, committing the violence, to flee, not on the person having their rights violated.
If you attack someone and they shoot you I suppose you just learned a lesson real fast. This isn't a boxing match. Don't bring fists to a gun fight.
He didn't need to stand his ground because he didn't need to pursue. Again, he's neighborhood watch, a voluntary position with no real power. His job is to call the police, not be a super hero. You're acting like Martin attacked him in a vacuum. We don't know exactly what started the altercation, but we do know that Zimmerman pursued him after being told he didn't need to. The mental gymnastics you do to justify what he did is ridiculous.
Again, Zimmerman isn't even a rent-a-cop, he's just a wannabe tough guy that put himself in a bad situation after being told not to. Someone is dead because he bit off more than he could chew.
Even if Zimmerman doesn't end up being charged with anything, he'll have to live with the decisions he made that night for the rest of his life.
ps - when I read your posts, it sounds as though Sean Hannity is ghost-writing for you. It's become essentially unbearable.
Btw, you really don't know that Zimmerman didn't start a fight. You are going off of his word. Conveniently for him, the one person who could definitively refute him is dead.
If Zimmerman started the altercation and was getting his ass beat, he wouldn't have been able to "stand his ground."
Btw - if i go to Florida and egg someone on and they start throwing punches at me, can I just shoot them?
Probably not. I'm betting you don't have a weapons permit for the state you live in but if you do you would have to see if FL has reciprocity with that state, or risk being arrested for the illegal possession of a firearm.
Keep in mind that I am NOT an attorney, so your best bet is just to run the scenario and report back to us.
Regards
He followed the kid because he was suspicious. Following someone does not mean a fight is warranted. Once the fight happened he had a right to defend himself. Pretty simple.
I love the subtle Zimmerman insults. So glad to know that a guy who volunteers to watch his community is a "wanna be tough guy" and deserved to get attacked simply because he followed someone he deemed suspicious. Glad to know the low bar you have for allowed assault.
Oh please. I'm not justifying assault, but I'm not convinced that Zimmerman didn't instigate the fight in the first place. You're just taking him at his word, insinuating that black people wearing hoodies = suspicious, and ignoring other circumstantial and character-based evidence.
And, yeah. If you ignore the 911 dispatcher and chase after a supposed "bad guy," who was only a bad guy in the image in your own mind, then you are a wannabe tough guy. Had he just let the police do their job and not played cop, he wouldn't have gotten a beat down or killed anyone.
Oh, so not he deserved to get attacked because he followed the kid? Didn't know cops could teleport and be on the scene right away. The guy followed , that doesn't give anyone a right to attack them. Once being attacked the person has the right to defend themselves.
Such a shame that this self defense shooting has become a fake racist attack. Guess the lame stream media is stepping up to help the anointed one an election cycle.
Slight little nuance injected today when CNN (I think) had his 'best friend' on for an interview; he happened to be African American.
Hahaha, what was suspicious about him?
Being black and wearing a hoodie while it's raining doesn't = suspicious. This is why i say that you're doing mental gymnastics. Besides, he already called the police! No need to go beyond that and be a fucking cowboy.
Wearing a hoodie when it's raining isn't particularly suspicious but walking around in the rain at night through a neighborhood, in Florida, strikes me as very suspicious.
Regards
Is there a law against following someone who is suspicious? No. There was a bunch of recent criminal instances in the neighborhood, the guy made a decision that was within the law to follow this kid, the kid apparently attacked him and he defended himself.
Maybe is Mr. Hoodie had run home or not thrown a punch things would have been different.
Side note: We should all pay our respects for this woman who was murdered in a true hate crime. Kind of sad that we are talking about the self defense shooting when we have a real tragedy to focus on.
So, the kid should've run faster? I see, so, if you are black and wear a hooded sweatshirt in the rain, you'd better be prepared to run home fast so people don't catch you! Don't you see how nonsensical that is?
Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend and explained to her on the phone that he "thought he lost him." He DID try and get away. Zimmerman pursued and it ended in an altercation, apparently because Trayvon was disrespectful to Zimmerman...the guy who was CHASING after him.
It just seems like your argument boils down to painting Trayvon to be some trouble maker while simultaneously taking Zimmerman at his word and ignoring all of Zimmerman's historical problems (multiple arrests, multiple false alarms calling the police).
No, my argument is simply you do not have the right to attack someone because they followed you. How hard is that to understand. Maybe Zimmerman is being racist and following a black kid. Last time I check that is only obnoxious, not illegal. It also isn't justification for an assault.
Regards
Walking around at night in the rain in Florida = suspicious. Gotcha.
Alright, I think I'm done here.
You've been done for a while. This might have been racial profiling and he might have been following the kid only because he was black, but that still doesn't justify assault and when you are getting assaulted you have the right to defend yourself.
Following someone = permission to assault. Gotcha.
There is no reason to believe that Martin assaulted Zimmerman without being provoked. You are taking Zimmerman at his word and ignoring the fact that he was chasing after him. You give full, unquestioned credibility to Zimmerman even though it is sketchy as hell and he was fucking chasing the dude down.
Basically, you can chase someone down and provoke them, then when you get your ass beat, you can kill them and not even come close to facing any consequences. That's what you're saying.
I love how you just assume it was assault. Unreal. You have no clue as to whether or not Zimmerman instigated the fight. The fact that he chased after Trayvon who was RUNNING AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN and told his girlfriend on the phone that he thought he 'lost him," makes me more inclined to believe that Zimmerman instigated the fight, not that he was blindsided.
Don't worry, guys, gun laws aren't going to change! You don't need to defend Zimmerman like he's your dad.
If some weird ass dude was following me for an extended period of time and shouting at me, I would probably get aggressive eventually. I think almost anyone here would.
I could see CPH or ANT shooting someone who was chasing after them (in the rain at night while they were walking home from the store) and then claiming they were "standing their ground" in self-defense. It's a slippery slope, folks.
Cool, make up scenarios, project them on others, typical left wing MO.
We don't know all the facts in this case. What we do know is that this is not the simple, cut and dry case it was before. Following someone is not grounds for assault. Yelling names at someone is not grounds for assault. We don't know if this was provoked and unless Zimmerman assaulted whats his name first, it is not grounds for attacking him.
I don't even own a gun. Man, thanks for insulting me and insinuating that I am a cold blooded murderer. Glad to see the level of discourse on this site take a dive.
Even as someone who would likely be associated with the far right, I still cannot come to terms with how this situation panned out. The facts all point to Zimmerman going on some sort of personal vendetta (hence his phrase "these assholes always get away with it"). How can you possibly think this is the kids fault? Some angry fatfuck is chasing after you AT NIGHT in the rain WITH A GUN and you are telling me this kid didn't think he was getting robbed/attacked/raped? Take a step back and quit embarrassing yourself and--by association-- the conservatives of this country. Normally your posts are constructive and spot on but here you are just completely off.
Wow, thanks for the advice. I will recant everything I said.
NOT
Man oh man, nothing like writing your own narrative in your head. Do me a favor and renounce your faux conservatism.
How do you know he was chasing anyone. He was following him. No where does it say he was up his ass, calling him names, physically threatening him.
There had been a series of criminal activities in his neighborhood. Maybe this dude was overly suspicious.
Following someone doesn't give you the right to assault them.
Both parties could have done things different. Every day more info comes out on this case. All I am saying is that this story went from an innocent angel getting skittles and a thug white dude murdering him American History X style to a troubled teen attacking a rent a cop and a shot being fired.
ANT said - "All I am saying is that this story went from an innocent angel getting skittles and a thug white dude murdering him American History X style to a troubled teen attacking a rent a cop and a shot being fired."
What does him being a "troubled teen," by your judgment, have anything to do with the case at hand? Also, you can't go from arguing that "we need all the facts, we don't know what happened" to definitively stating that Martin attacked Zimmerman. You are guilty of the same things you accuse me and others of.
To you, Zimmerman was just an overly cautious guy doing his part to keep his neighborhood "safe" and we should ignore his prior run-ins with the law and numerous false alarms to the police. Meanwhile, to you, Trayvon was a troubled teen who attacked someone who was simply following him, not running (again, something you assert.)
It's honestly hysterical.
The news paint this kid out to be above reproach. Now we are finding out he got suspended, possible theft, possibly punched a bus driver, etc. Why is this important? 1) It makes this story less about good vs. bad and 2) Maybe he was up to more than just getting skittles. Maybe he was messing with stuff. Who knows. All I am saying is that this guy was paint to be baby Jesus when this first hit the wire.
You are right. We do not know all the facts yet. I am speaking on what has been reported and it has been reported that a witness saw the attack and corroborated Zimmerman. Plus medics were involved and could easily support or refute a broken nose.
And no, Zimmerman was overly zealous without a doubt. That doesn't mean following someone warrants violence.
End of the day, if someone is following you and you punch them in the face you are getting an assault charge.
this is where you gotta leave shit to professional police officers. from the kid's perspective, maybe zimmerman seemed like a mugger or attacker. he had no badge, and honestly, he looks a little "hood" to me too.
We should simply kill Zimmerman to appease Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I mean I could careless. Lets just get it over with and execute this guy so we can stop hearing the whoa-is me crying all day.
He was walking to his dad's fiance's house. We KNOW he wasn't up to no good. There isn't a debate on that.
And, if you're going to use his school suspension for having a bag with weed residue on it as any rationale to attack his character, then you've got to take Zimmerman's record into account and stop painting HIM as some sort of vigilant watchman whose only goal was to safeguard his fellow man. The guy has a criminal record and more than his fair share of crying wolf. You can't make Trayvon's school suspension part of the conversation without also putting doubt on Zimmerman's account of what happened given his background.
There is no reason to think that Trayvon put his hands on Zimmerman first and we do not know how Zimmerman approached him. If you're 17 years old and a grown ass man is chasing you down at night while you're walking home (essentially), it's gonna be scary.
His momma got scared and he's moving in with his auntie and uncle in Bel Air.
Liberal Logic: Minority = Great
...for our poll numbers
Regards
ps - I fucking hate Sharpton and don't give a fuck about Jesse Jackson or whoever else. Just because they're being retards doesn't mean you (and others) need to defend the shit out of Zimmerman like you read about.
hahaha, if I had any SBs left, Happy would get one.
oh jesus we are back to trayvon again?
if there is a moral to the story, it is that having a CCW doesn't mean you should go out and look for trouble. i know that zimmerman may have been doing a free service to his neighbors and they might have even appreciated it, but there is a reason that police officers require so much training. carrying a loaded piece != knowing how to handle potentially dangerous subjects. there is a reason the 911 dispatcher told him not to follow the kid. what if trayvon was armed? what if he was hopped up on PCP? zimmerman could have no way of knowing that, and could have created an even uglier situation if both guys were packing.
leave the law enforcment to the professionals.
I don't wanna be "that guy" but based on the little evidence I've heard about the case, Martin 1) was suspended from school for marijuana at the time, 2) continually smashed Zimmerman's head into the ground and repeatedly attacked him (though for what reason we do not know, but either way - it happened), and 3) was alone in a dangerous part of town. Given this - and I am in no way saying he had it coming or that the murder (note the use of the word murder) was justified - I have to believe that he was less innocent than Shaima Al Awadi when she was murdered.
Yet America doesn't care about her nearly as much... solely because she was an Arab, and Trayvon Martin was black. That's upsetting to me, especially because all of the people who come to the aid of the Trayvon Martin cause are all going to preach racial equality and anti-discrimination. And I'll bet 99% of them aren't running from the Martin protest over to the Al-Awadi protest later in the day.
I'll ask a quick question - Do we know the guy who killed Shaima? Is he currently sitting somewhere, free as a bird, after being interviewed by the police and then let loose for claiming "it was self defense"?
I'm sorry, these two cases aren't equivalent. If Trayvon had been found face down dead, with no killer in sight, there would be no issue, no uproar. Even if he had been bludgeoned to death in an apartment, the probability is that we wouldn't have heard about it. It would be unannounced. Uncontested. Unregarded.
It amazes me how you guys don't see the difference here. Then again, it doesn't. I drove in the UK for over 10 years, got pulled over once. ONCE. I've been in this country for less than a year, and I've been stop-searched twice already, despite the fact that I only drive on weekends. You can go along and blame Jesse and Al, and the rest (I'm not their biggest fan either), but to dismiss this case as being over-hyped is at the very least extremely ignorant.
You've been pulled over and searched?
Regards
Agree with above. Also, the woman absolutely did nothing to deserve a tire iron beating and killing. This kid might have escalated things.
Oh well, this is the world we live in. At least you and I see the hypocrisy. That, at the end of the day, is all that matters.
The police are looking for the killer of Shaima Al-Awadi. They didn't interview the killer briefly and then not press charges. I don't see how there is hypocrisy here.
How could they briefly interview the accused killer and let them go if they are still searching for that person(s)?
These are two entirely different scenarios....they are not even close.
Regards
since we are all speculating anyways, she was probably killled by an acquaintance who set it up to look like a hate crime. perfect cover story.
anyone want to cover my bet?
It is a bit odd that someone would leave a note.
Regards
several things that don't smell like a legit hate crime here, first, victims tend to be male. second, the note is weird. third, the advance warning with other notes is weird. more like a false trail of evidence contrived for the detectives.
they still don't know who killed Pac
@ANT I bet Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first and the police are trying to cover it up bc of all of the national outrage over the fact that the Zimmerman wasn't arrested. The head of the Sanford PD already "temporarily resigned" (??) and they put a black cop temporarily in charge.
And since Zimmerman went into hiding after the assault, the alleged bruise on the back of his head is probably gone
Well, I would bet that you are talking out of your ass and don't have an ounce of proof to your claim. Why would the PD even care about Zimmerman? Why are they fabricating evidence and witness testimony to get someone that, by your account, attacked and murdered an unarmed person. If the Sanford PD is a racist as you would like people to believe, why wouldn't they put Zimmerman in cuffs and left him die in prison...that way the world has 2 fewer minorities to deal with?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2718130_p2/sanford-cops-wanted-to…
That was the right thing to do. He felt his presence was hampering their ability to do their job. He wasn't fired, they are reviewing the situation and will make a determination when all of the facts come out...unlike yourself. And who cares if he's black? The (BLACK) guy they temporarily replaced the old police chief with is a 23 year law enforcement veteran, so it isn't like he is totally unqualified and they picked him solely because of his race.
Are you trying to say that had Zimmerman stayed in his home for the last few weeks, instead of 'in hiding' that the bruises would still be there...or is your statement just entirely irrelevant and merely written so you can diminish internet bandwidth and server storage?
Regards
also @FinancialNoviceII, thanks for posting this article; I hadn't heard of Shaima's story until you did
That's the problem I guess.
3/1 payout if it was an acquaintance
covered.
am i going to get my 3 SBs from you soon?
Hate crime is a fucking joke. Murder is murder. Anyone that supports hate crimes needs to look into the face of a person who had a loved one murdered and tell them their death isn't as important because racism wasn't the motive. So insulting and disgusting.
Lots of idiots in this forum ... Now I understand why the b school threads are full of aspirations to TTT schools.
@TheKing, don't bother. ANT is probably playing devils advocate.
What kind of name is Trayvon? Is that Irish?
I don't know what part of the UK you lived in but stop and searches are so common in London.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/14/stop-search-racial-profiling-…
And thats just one example, I read a ridiculous statistic about how much Arabs are stopped within the major cities. Rightly or wrongly, its the society we live in.
Plus, you cannot compare the instances you were stopped driving in the UK and USA. Completely different animal.
Back to the case in hand. Its pretty much a doubled-edged sword. If this was a hate crime (and likely it is), the fact that she was attacked within her home will scare a large number of people and there will be rising tensions between communities.
If its not a hate crime and the killer was known to the victim or was a family dispute, placing the blame upon a vigilante or hate group will be just as bad. I'm sure people will not take too kindly to insinuations of racism.
Has to be handled delicately. Even more so then the Trayvon case, as the poster above says black Americans are naturally suspicious of the police (most cases can be said rightly) and do play the race card quite often, again history dictates but the fact that this lady was killed in her home is frightening.
I really should change my avatar.
Thanks for posting this FinancialNoviceII. It's especially scary how she was murdered in her own house.
I think I'll give my mom a call, and see how she's doing. I tell you though, if something like this were to happen to MY mother, I would not involve the police.
To Muslims: Don't do anything that reveals your race/religion/ethnicity (wear hijabs, listen to foreign music etc). Try to steer clear of the South as well.
I was in Houston a while back, and was having breakfast in a diner, when a bunch of guys from the next table came up to me and began hurling racial slurs (accusing me of being Arab, causing 9/11 etc), and were looking to cause trouble. Fortunately, a few people (also Whites) came forward to help, and the aggressors left.
While I'm not saying that the South is inherently racist, I don't think something like this would happen back home (Boston), or the East Coast in general.
i love the irony of hindus getting blamed for 9/11.
Sorry to hear that. Isolated incident I would imagine, because Houston generally is pretty good in that regard (compared to most of Texas). It has that big city vibe so largely tolerant.
ivoteforthatguy, I'm actually ethnically Asian, and got mistaken for an Arab due to the accuser's poor grasp on geography. Although I AM Muslim. It's a religion (Christianity/Judaism), not an ethnicity (Chinese/Russian).
Hey, lets not make it seem like the USA is the epicenter of Muslim hate. Go hang out in Europe and a few nasty comments from hillbilly Americans will seem like a walk in the park.
oh europe. can't they do anything right?
i grew up with some guys who went on to join neo-nazi/hammerskin crews. we started to diverge when they started getting involved in some seriously nutty racist and violent shit (one put away from attempted murder, another ADW, etc.). the hardcore racism is alive and well in this country and it runs real deep, in places you wouldn't expect. at least in europe most of it is actually illegal.
i don't know who's more racist. it's just a different kind of racism there vs here.
Yeah, if you are an atheist or gay, Europe is your paradise. If you happen to be Muslim or foreign the hatred oozes out. The USA is farrrrr more tolerant as a whole than Europe is.
Not saying the US doesn't have racism, but since we are post racial I think it is fair to say that Europe is not the capital of hate.
POST RACIAL AMERICA FTW
some messed up shit right there. You boys love getting in arguments over the computer.
ANT, I'm not in any way saying that we're the only country discriminating against Muslims.
BTW, the OP seems to be a lot more severe than "a few nasty comments from hillbilly Americans". This kind of stuff happens more often than you think. However, these cases are rarely given much attention by the Al Sharptons of the world.
I doubt it was racially motivated. But we'll see if the mainstream media can actually make an accurate prediction once in awhile.
Err, I don't really see how you can "doubt" the motive behind the murder - refer to the letter beside her mangled corpse. If we take things at face-value i.e. not another OJ Simpson case, then it's pretty cut and dry.
Not sure what you mean. If it came across that I'm some kind of nut, apologies, not my intention. Clearly from this thread, not a lot of people were aware of the situation, so I thought I would share.
US is definitely not racist as a whole. You get some bad apples everywhere. If this happened in France, Italy or Spain or whatever, I still would have posted. If I thought the US was racist, I certainly wont be eager to move this fall to Boston.
That post was actually directed to ANT who was trivializing the issue. Again, thanks for sharing. These sort of stories are oft ignored by the media.
I'm also headed to Boston this fall (Harvard Law).
And yeah, I know the Houston thing was a one-off, and I'm certainly not one to hold a grudge. But like I said, I doubt it would happen in places like NYC or Boston.
The US doesn't restrict Mosques being built or ban wearing religious items. Kind of sad really, considering most of Europe partook in some of the darkest aspects of humanity. You would think a little tolerance would have been learned by now.
you're thinking of switzerland or austria. there are 27 countries and it's not like they are all the same. the swiss and austrians are on the extreme end of racism and the british and french are very tolerant.
great, now you have me defending europe.
Ummm, Dutch have a vibrant right wing party and there are a lot of stuff in France now. I agree not all countries in Europe are the same, but all states in the US are not the same.
France certainly isnt that tolerant anymore in light of recent events and even prior to that when they were seemingly alienating people of faith with their restrictive measures. Completely agree with Ant, many European countries have taken this route. Wholly surprising considering the numbers in Europe but between the Dutch, Swiss, French etc, racism is becoming more prevalent, partly because the leaders are almost permitting it now.
Not sure about the rest here but personally one of the most unfriendly places I have ever been is Adelaide in Australia. Along with perhaps Beijing but for different reasons.
No, I don't care either way. We cannot legislate tolerance and frankly, people should be free to think whatever they want.
People can feel whatever. All I am saying is 1) hate crime laws are bullshit and 2) life sucks and then you die. I can't tell you how many whop of dago comments I heard growing up, but hey, I don't have a vagina and told them to F off.
How on earth can we be worried about declining ocean levels when we have the amount of crying going on in this country is beyonnddd me.
Thank God we live in a post racial America!
Sorry for assuming ant, didn't know you were a wonderbread. Although it is probably not as bad as being called a sand negro, you didn't grow up getting a free pass like a mayflower descendant.
Agree on the hate crime laws. It is thoughtcrime.
Wonderbread ??? Haha, what is that? Lightly toasted on the outside, white in the middle?
Wonderbread is so tasty. I miss it :( Only wheat bread now, just not the same.
Better make sure it's whole grain or you're wasting your time.
Regards
Tru dat. It is whole grain or I will do ancient grains, whatever.
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