UBS MD said something weird to female analyst, should I report it?
Something awkward came from one of the male MDs recently. He asked a young female analyst if a particular app was used for “hook ups” nowadays. It totally threw me off and felt inappropriate.
Now I’m wondering if I should report it or if I’m overthinking. I don’t want to be labeled as a complainer, and I definitely don’t want it to mess up future PE chances. But it didn’t feel right
Anyone else ever in this situation? Should I say something (to who?) or just let it slide?
how to blow ur career 101. Stay in your own lane and dont be an idiot.
Thx for ur input prospect
aso2 but ok.
Do report for sure. You have to act on the matters like this.
Edit: OP sounded insufferable so that's why I commented like this. Jokes aside, shut the fuck up and just work; none of your business.
To who?
DO.NOT….listen to the recruiter, they don’t know what they’re talking about. If you actually do work at a bank like UBS they’ll have hotlines or automated HR systems you can log complaints in. If you actually do work at a bank like UBS you will have recieved multiple rounds of trainings on this topic and been provided with contact info to report specific offenses anonymously. And if you actually do work at a bank like UBS….don’t broadcast that here, you’re making yourself a target for retaliation from the MD while simultaneously opening yourself up to disciplinary action for discussing the firm on social media, which banks explicitly prohibit. You’d know all of this…if you worked at a big bank.
It would also help if you gave some additional context to the conversation. Maybe it was a harmless conversation, or maybe it was far worse than you’re making it sound…there’s no way to tell. Plus the young woman’s take is left out in your post so that’s weird, it makes you give off the vibe of someone fishing for an angle. Are you feeling out if you can get away with sliming someone you don’t like? Are you misreading the situation? Are you putting your lady colleague in a bad position without her consent or even having talked to her? Or were you negligent in reporting something that common sense, basic decency, and multiple rounds of training made clear you have an obligation to do? Without more detail there’s no way to know…and…the more detail you give the more likely you out yourself. Come on now, use your judgment, is it reall that hard? Or are you getting off on some third rate trolling?
Not sure what to tell you, your post trips many red flags and raises more questions than it answers.
People outside your group are best: program manager, COO office, Chief of staff office etc.
NO! All shitposting and trolling aside….this is very bad advice, which you’d know if you worked in this business. Read above post.
now a guy can’t learn culture …
don’t snitch homie
There’s no beating the MD plausible deniability tax, ain’t nothing gonna change.
OP is the guy telling the professor we had homework to do
There's nothing to report. It was a question about current usage trends in apps. If you think that's sexual harassment, you're doing a disservice to actual sexual harassment.
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Nothing to see here, fake news, its all a lie, she's not my type, I never said that, Im not familiar, Ive never met her
no wonder ur a recruiter.
Did you just assume my political orientation? 🤡
hi ! I recently completed a hirevue but made a small mistake in that I was running out of time on 2 questions and brought my comments to a close (I did not try to talk fast and rush), how many mistakes do you normally see on hirevues? Do people pass to the next round with small mistakes assuming they explained the other points in detail?
Thanks
Hey bud wrong forum this is for people who work on wall street
Drumpfy is that you? I can smell the soy from here!
I can't wait for AI to replace people like you.
exactly. I'd love to see OP explain what he thinks is wrong with MD's behavior. MD just asked a general question which actually makes sense to ask. if you're a guy in your 30-40s who aims to date / hook up with girls in their 20s, you probably don't know how girls in their 20s view different apps. and as a guy you need to pick one or two apps cause you'll need to buy a premium subscription, so you probably don't wanna buy premium on like 5 apps and pay like $500 per month on dating apps subscriptions. and MD cannot just go on the street and start asking random young girls what apps they use for hookups and dating. he could google it or just ask someone at the office. in no way does it imply that he wants to hookup with this analyst. he just wants to ask a young girl how young girls view different apps currently. it'll help him to also know how to behave on different apps, cause if it's a hookup app then you don't wanna be formal, and if it's a serious dating app you don't wanna be too sexual. and if you behave wrong, you won't even know, cause girls don't ever give you a feedback, they just ghost.
MDs should not be getting dating advice from their direct reports
If you can't tell, that was a troll reply to a troll post
Managers should not be getting dating advice from their juniors
If they asked within the context of work then it's fine, but OP did not give enough info to warrant a real answer
Go touch some grass
Asking a gen z how Tinder or whatever is used in their generation is sexual harassment now? Analyst classes were always pretty socially out there, but this new post-covid generation is completely autistic, devoid of any basic human social skills.
You’re a loser, and I’m sure I’ll see you again when you post the inevitable “how do I network with my colleagues” or “why do I have to go to team drinks” threads in a few weeks.
OP sounds like the kind of guy who was really inspired by his middle school assistant principal
Inappropriate? Yes. Does it qualify for sexual harassment? Probably not. Should you report this? Absolutely not. This could be a career crushing move as nothing will likely happen to the MD while there's a decent chance they find out who filed the report.
Good for you trying to do the right thing, but if the girl's not reporting it then neither should you.
OP is a Kamala voter
Get fucking laid OP. I hate working with betas like you.
Ignoring all the bad takes here - I don't think it falls on you to report. If you think something crosses a line, you should let the person at the other end of the comment make a formal complaint. By bringing it up unilaterally, you'll attach them to that comment and complaint and you don't know if they want to be associated with that throughout their time at the firm. It's different for someone at the receiving end of a comment than for someone who just witnessed it (in terms of impact, associations, etc).
If you get asked to corroborate then go ahead and speak to whatever channel is appropriate, but it's wrong to make that choice for someone else.
Completely agree
Yup, agree, aside from all the shitposting/trolling…this is the real answer. Which you’d think people would know but either this post is rage bait or OP has incredibly poor judgement given their inclusion of the company name and exclusion of contextual details.
She’s not letting you hit bro
Either that or OP is feeling out how to sabatoge competing analysts…
Sounds like a great culture with straight knife fights come performance evaluation time
100% feeling out to sabotage fellow A&A.
Putting “top” in “top bucket”
You are a loser OP and simping / white knighting will never get you any action.
Least obvious troll / rage bait
Yeah the quality of trolling ain’t what it used to be
The biggest mistake Patrick ever made was deleting god level trolls like Blastoise
Things are getting pretty booooring around here
I was in a similar situation once and it sounds uncomfortable and unprofessional. If it felt off, trust that feeling. Start by documenting it for now, noting exactly what happened and how it made you feel. You could approach HR or a trusted senior for advice without making it formal right away. Ultimately, your comfort matters, and documenting gives you options if anything else occurs.
I get where your coming from kind of but I don’t really think there’s much to report. He probably mindlessly asked a question without even thinking of any harm, with no ill intent. My guess is HR would feel the same way (especially bc he’s an MD), and it would only back fire on you
It’s 2024 not 1984! It’s very out of line and the MD should know better
Correct - it's 2024. It's not the 2010s anymore. Wokeness is over. We're not going to tone police ourselves for the sake of obese gross degenerates. If that bothers you, go work in tech.
People have gotten canned for less, be careful bro - stay strong
MDs are gross with analysts
Not your business. This isn't a child who needs your protection, this is an adult professional woman who may or may not have been offended.
Minions
I'm not sure if this thread is satire or if I'm too dumb to figure it out.
Can't say if it was inappropriate or not without being there because this post is vague.
People will make these determinations off of such limited information?
Lowkey you should stay frosty and listen to see if the MD makes more weird comments. If you notice a pattern and others notice the same thing then there is definitely an issue. If others notice it and it comes up, you all can figure out how to handle it or even have someone report it anonymously / in their exit interview. While a lot of the comments are suggesting that reporting it would jeopardize your career, if done right you could do some good without harming yourself. Many companies have a whistleblower hotline (not that that is necessarily the way to go). My point is you might have to get creative and not let something inappropriate slide.
With that said reporting a comment like that might not go anywhere, hence why I say keep your ear to the ground / listen for others reporting similar behavior.
Should the MD keep a tab on your jokes in the pit too. You are trying to frame him. You are the snake nobody wants in the pit.
Jokes are jokes but sometimes inappropriate jokes are an indication of other inappropriate behavior. I've heard many jokes in the pen that might be "inappropriate" on paper and nobody cares frankly because they are funny and just jokes... as soon as you have an MD with a power dynamic making a strange joke to a younger woman who he has power over that becomes a potential red flag. Not even saying it should be reported but somebody in that position of power might need to be watched. Not everybody makes risqué jokes just because they are funny, sometimes they are an indicator.
I know women who carry a recording device in their pocket for certain interactions. Depending on your state (if in the USA), one party consent may be all that is needed. But using that data is the nuclear option.
If you have an anonymous report function - id say yes. Not worth putting your neck out there for something that didn’t happen to you directly though.
What team and office is this? I’m starting at UBS next year and would like to avoid working with woke sensitive individuals like yourself
The smart thing to do is assume everyone at every group is super touchy. You can complain about what it is you think woke means all you want but in the real world, one off color joke can ruin your fucking life and you won’t get a second chance.
Its not a threat…it’s a warning.
I’d bet it’s either m&t, tech or healthcare
Probably TMT if talking about apps
How about you let the adult actually affected respond instead, and not presume you should do so on her behalf? If she wants your witness testimony, she will ask. Otherwise MYOB.
Let us guess this MD provided you harsh feedback in reviews and now you are looking for an opportunity to bring him down. You see this tactic often in pit where a bunch of A&A gang up to bring another down.
Start journaling about all of these “observations” you are having. Keep detailed notes. Then when something worth reporting actually happens, you will feel needed which is what it seems like this whole post is about.
Is there some way I can report OP for being a fuckin weenie and let some fresh grad benefit from his open spot?
if this statement doesn’t capture the competitive spirit of Wall Street, nothing does 🤣🤣
Wonder how hard Patrick is going to censor election posts
There is literally nothing to report he just asked how something is used nowadays. You are being too sensitive, that too on someone else's behalf. Mind your own business, seriously, you're acting like some grave injustice is happening here and this is really pathetic to ACTUAL harassment.
10/10 ragebait
.I don't see enough here tbh
Click bait topic. I was expecting a more interesting interaction.
As a woman, I’m appalled by what I’m seeing here. Many of you are way out of line, and this whole thread feels like a bunch of bystanders who don’t have the courage to stand up for a female colleague.
Wow OP you are a bitch for even being upset by this. This isnt offensive at all
Did OP end up reporting it? I’m invested now
I imagine it’s a cycle of being rude and mean to juniors and saying inappropriate things, the juniors saying something about the treatment, the MD reacting by calling the juniors terrible at their jobs trying to get them all fired
If MD is hot: not sexual harassment
MD is ugly: possibly sexual harassment
It is all in the eye of the beholder.
MD is ugly therefore it it possibly sexual harassment
New post on other thread:
”The MD apparently made the who he thought the poster was of the original post resign, and totally picked the wrong person!”
how is this even possible?
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