1st Year Analysts Quitting?

Hey all -

I had read in multiple threads where people have mentioned 1st year analysts already quitting ~6 months in. Any idea where they are exiting too?

Seems like  WFH and difficulties in ramping up have made life pretty hard on new 1st years. Curious what people have heard / thoughts.

 

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 5, 2021 - 7:18pm

I know or 5 first years that left (2 weeks after training ended, 3 months, 3 months, 6 months, 6 months)

 
  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jan 5, 2021 - 7:20pm

Wow, did they quit without anything else lined up? What type of jobs are they at or looking into?

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 5, 2021 - 8:02pm

two weeks after training? unless there was some personal problem going on that is pathetic. no one enters IB without knowing its gonna be a grind

 
  • Associate 2 in IB - Gen
Jan 5, 2021 - 10:57pm

Burnout. 

It's a legit thing. You reach a point where a 2-week break from work sounds better than a $60k bonus. 

I applaud people who quit when they feel their health is suffering because of it. However, it's important to have a solid backup plan if you do. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 7, 2021 - 10:40am

ZoomU w/ pass fail options meant the game changed to either 1. Get an A for the classes in which you already have a 96+, or 2. get 70% of the points in the course asap so you can stop turning in assignments and don't have to take the final.

 

Huge senior summer trip I had been planning and saving up for 18-24 months getting torpedoed definitely made the mental transition to fulltime employment infinity harder. I'm still at the job but am not shocked hearing people left so soon.

 
  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jan 7, 2021 - 3:41pm

Current college senior in the same boat. Been making and saving (relatively) a lot of money and it blows after having an offer I can't even enjoy my senior year properly. Been doing the A or Pass for classes as well.

 
Jan 8, 2021 - 5:13pm

Zoom U is polarizing for a lot of students. I've found myself more engaged and interested because the freedom allows a lot of flexibility (travel/time wise) but a lot of students find focusing hard in that environment. My hope is that universities offer hybrid courses (in-person classes being broadcasted like many are now).

 
  • Intern in IB - Gen
Jan 5, 2021 - 10:25pm

I've considered leaving so many times... WFH makes it impossible to learn much especially when your associates can't be bothered to teach but expect you to know 100%. You think it's easy to learn and memorize Keyboard and ppt skills when you're alone in your bedroom?

 

Anyways, know of a couple from CS, two from UBS and one from GS about to head out after ~7m. IB is just not worth it if you're doing all the work and no play and you've never experienced the play bc of wfh. 

 
Jan 5, 2021 - 10:45pm

Do you know what they're planning to do / if they have jobs lined up already?

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 12:18am

Second the above, ton of analysts have quit in my group from 1st - 3rd years. Various exits but mostly due to burn out I suppose. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 2:19am

Yeah adjusting to work is tough even for 9-5, now make it 9-2am+ and your mental health starts to really suffer. 
another note, IB made me realize how important mental health really is 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 6, 2021 - 2:16am

I've been actively trying to exit since early Dec. Tough to even find time to recruit and it doesn't help that our hours are fucked. I'd happily give up my bonus for another job.

 
  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jan 6, 2021 - 12:07pm

That's quite disheartening..I'm joining FT in the summer, but I did notice during the internship (obviously remote) that hours were brutal with wfh, and I was wondering if that was the norm even pre-covid. It seemed like a ton of analysts and associates were online even at random hours of the night, which I hope is not the case once people are back in the office (at least not in that proportion). And generally I don't envy the first years - it must be very isolating now and much harder to feel part of the team

 
  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jan 6, 2021 - 1:46pm

Incoming FT at MM - might be a dumbass question but do y'all think we'll be in person in mid summer? Seems to have implications for WFH. I'd rather be in person. Hours gonna suck but I'd rather have that camaraderie in the bullpen with shitty hours. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 1:50pm

Doubt it - maybe when you hit the desk but training will likely be online 

 
  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jan 6, 2021 - 2:42pm

I thought WFH would be more "comfortable" but after talking to some analysts and this thread, really hoping to be back in the office or at least have a timeline for it by the time we start.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 2:17pm

Outlook at my MM isn't pretty. Stub hits in a month and 5-6 associates and a few 2nd years are leaving because they are just done. Don't know if they have things lined up.

 

On a second note, multiple VPs of mine are so convinced that they will never be in the office on a regular basis again and have moved to the suburbs.

 

As for my perspective on being a first-year wfh... I think about quitting every day.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 3:02pm

At the end of this day, this job is extremely hard and we knew that coming in. He's mental health is important but push through it for another 1.5 years. Think about it, the beginning is the hardest and we're already 1/4 done. Even at a year, 1/2 day so count down and not up now 

 
Jan 6, 2021 - 4:41pm

What type of opportunities are available for analysts exiting after ~7 months?

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  • Associate 1 in Acct - Other
Jan 6, 2021 - 4:50pm

Lots actually, corp dev, merchant banking, MM PE, etc. As long as you have a decent reason for leaving they won't hold it against you.

I left a job after ~6 months, but was a logical move so I rarely get asked about it. By rarely, I mean I've never been asked about it in a formal interview. 

Also think if it's worth it to stay - what's your end goal, PE/ Corp dev, why not look now? There are plenty that will hire. The mentality of just "sticking it out" every day is ridiculous if you hate what you do.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 13, 2021 - 12:46pm

How would one plan on exiting to merchant banking/PE when recruiting hasn't began yet? Ideally I want to leave after my bonus hits next summer, but not sure I can get something lined up by then

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 6:18pm

Happens every year but this year is def a lot more. I don't know anyone that quit last year, this year 6 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 7:00pm

With all of this high turnover, you gotta wonder how ripe the lateral market is going to be in the coming months. Probably a lot of top shops/groups needing to fill seats.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 6, 2021 - 7:16pm

Do you think the large number of analysts leaving early will shift the banking culture at all? Seems like empty seats and time spent finding replacements is worse than simply offering a moderately better analyst lifestyle.

 
Jan 6, 2021 - 7:24pm

from what I've heard WFH has shifted the culture to a point that is unsustainable. Expectation of working absurd hours every day all week bc of quarantine. they are going to need to ease up if everybody quits.

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 7:46pm

I would hope so but don't see this happening given the level of deal flow. A bank is never going to say no to a RFP in the name of "analyst lifestyle." 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 7:49pm

We just have to do weekly calls now. Not only do I have to work until 3am every night, I have to get up at 8am to take a zoom call to feel like a "family"

 
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  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 7:36pm

Almost half my class has quit and this doesn't seem to be uncommon across banks with WFH. Banking is a hard job in general, but deal flow has increased since WFH and the amount of pitching has increased even more given that there is no travel and you can do zoom calls back to back. On top of this, the work relationship feels extremely transactional and there are limited opportunities for mentorship. No more taking phone calls from the office with the team, sitting at table with MD and asking questions about materials, grabbing coffee with colleagues, eating dinner with other analysts, etc. Essentially you are left with far more work and very little human interaction. Imagine what sitting alone in a room outputting PPT pages for 90+ hours a week before even beginning to think about recruiting does to your mental and physical health. Can't blame anyone for quitting and can't imagine anyone would hold it against you. 

 
  • Associate 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 1:18am

Seriously, the transactional feeling and lack of mentorship fucking blows. We've lost three analysts and an associate in four months which means more work for the rest of us, and we've essentially been told to suck it up. Every project and turn of materials is just another request through email with the occasional offer to talk about it for five minutes. At times I feel like an outsourced resource, not a member of a team. Seriously have considered leaving with nothing lined up so many times but just keep telling myself it will get better (even if marginally) when we're allowed back in the office and have new analysts and associates in the summer. I don't fault anyone actually taking the plunge though, and any of the recruits on here telling people living through this to suck it up can piss off. 

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 9, 2021 - 2:27pm

On the other hand, if you don't suck it up and just make use of the wfh opportunity to job hunt, they have to suck it up. That's why some many people left I think. Worse and worse working hours but much easier to interview when you're working from home.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 8:32pm

If you quit IB early, can you ever come back? 

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 10:18pm

I don't see why not if you have a good enough story but it would probably be an uphill battle and depend on what year you were when you quit. However, I couldn't really see this happening. I would argue that COVID and WFH have just accelerated attrition. A lot of juniors in IB / PE ultimately leave the industry, and I think the current environment has just pushed this decision forward. When you are sitting alone for 80+ hours a week, you're just left with the job and a lot of time to reflect on whether or not you actually enjoy it at it's core. People realize they don't enjoy it and the trade off isn't worth it and leave. Working from home when your friends / parents have other jobs and life outside of work puts things in perspective. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in PE - LBOs
Jan 6, 2021 - 8:34pm

Current first-year with the opposite problem - my staffing has been an uncoordinated mess and I spend most of my days sitting around taking notes on calls and other menial shit. Is it worth it to lateral to a group where I can get actual deal reps? Or should I just sit around and coast here while I can  

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 1:38am

Stay there. Honestly, all you need is one or two transactions that you can talk about. It's not worth the constant live deal process BS day in and day out during this WFH period, unless you're dead set on the buyside. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 6, 2021 - 11:22pm

First year here feeling the same way as everyone else, 5 months into the job. Deal flow has definitely ramped up and there is very little mentorship which just makes this job unbearable and has caused my mental health to just spiral down. Thinking about looking for a new job, but don't really know where to start. Also have only been on a few small live deals (nothing M&A) so not sure what I would talk about in interviews...

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 7, 2021 - 12:25am

I cant stress enough how we are getting the worse analyst experience you could imagine. All work, no play, none of the soft benefits that made this job bearable. People used to leave saying banking was tough but they can look back fondly on the memories in the pit and the fun thursday nights, but now... 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 7, 2021 - 12:55am

No but if I had to guess it would be summer at the earliest, and even so I'd imagine we're a long way from being able to cram ourselves into bars and clubs and the like so some of those team-building activities are probably gone for the foreseeable future

 
Jan 7, 2021 - 12:52pm

Wrong. With no commute its now "you have time for more work and to be on more conference calls"

 

Its worse.  When mds were commuting over an hour to new canaan or wherever they were less involved and less able to provide comments.  Or their kids had soccer practice or they had a swinger event to attend.  Those are all shut down now.  Idle mds are bad mds.

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  • Intern in PE - LBOs
Jan 7, 2021 - 2:16pm

I'm doing a dual degree in software engineering and business. Most of my software engineering friends hate their jobs. On average, you are just working on very mundane code and debugging. 

 
Jan 7, 2021 - 12:13pm

I've seen 5 people in my team of like 25 people quit WITHOUT jobs lined up.  In the middle of a pandemic with historically high unemployment....

This is a Bb bank. 

Wfh started off cool but has devolved to hell for all the juniors.

 

All the progress made the last 10 years to make IB more sustainable from a work life balance perspective are out the window.  

I wouldn't recommend this job to anyone now.  Not even taking networking calls from laterals or alumni or students because I cannot in good faith help someone join this industry.

 

 

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  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 1:10pm

Agreed-WFH had made this job borderline inhumane and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Hopefully it will change once everything reopens but the mental / physical toll the job is taking on the juniors isn't sustainable even in the short term. Working over 90 hours (doing fairly monotonous tasks) while being alone in a room has serious consequences on someone's wellbeing. 

 
  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jan 7, 2021 - 1:27pm

I was only an intern last summer (virtual) and I was already counting down the days to the end. I can't imagine being a FT junior now, especially a 1st year, in that environment. It felt like I couldn't even go for a quick walk outside to get some fresh air

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 10, 2021 - 11:12pm

I know you said monotonous - but how difficult is it? Do you feel anxious / stressed during the day because you have to put in a lot of mental efforts and think a lot to do the task or are you able to just be focused and attentive to details most of the time? Thanks

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 6:35pm

WFH has devolved in my group. The first month, WFH was novel and senior bankers cared about junior bankers well-being (didn't want you up till 3AM turning unimportant comments given the public health crisis, etc). Additionally, a lot of processes were put on hold and clients weren't taking meetings so there wasn't a ton of work to go around. After a bit, people slowly realized WFH was the norm and that it would be around for a long time. Client meetings started happening at a normal pace and the senior bankers stopped caring as much about everyone's health (just like how people stopped sanitizing their groceries and freaking out about everything). After even more time and as Zoom became the norm, meetings started getting scheduled back to back and the number of meetings eclipsed pre-pandemic levels. On top of this, processes put on hold began to resume. As even more time went on, new processes began to launch. All of this on top of the paused processes and increased number of meeting. After more time, the cadence new processes launched was also above pre pandemic levels. In November, the Dow hit 30,000. Every 2021 IPO was pushed forward and the numbers of bakeoffs increased exponentially. At this point, analysts have more BD meetings, the paused processes from pre-COVID, the many processes launched post-COVID and an obscene number of very involved RFPs. Given the level of work, most working relationships also became purely transactional. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 7, 2021 - 12:33pm

Would be great if this thread could make itself to the press or mainstream enough that the MDs start hearing about it. Just like that infamous Moelis email that got out early last year

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 7, 2021 - 4:46pm

That email was from 2018 but yeah publicity tends to create an urgency to fix things

 
Jan 7, 2021 - 12:56pm

WFH was a shitshow from the start at my BB, and I seriously considered quitting. Gave myself a deadline for when I would make a decision by if work-life balance didn't get better.

It got better (averaging 80-90 hour weeks now, was averaging 110-120 at the start), but that situation basically made me completely apathetic to the bank. I literally could not care less whether the BB burns to the ground at this point, other than a casual 'where's my paycheck?'

I've decided to stay, but have the mentality of reevaluating my options pretty constantly. Right now, work-life balance is decent. I'm getting paid, saving serious money, investing in equity (since I can while WFH), and going for runs/working out mid-afternoon.

My goals for the analyst stint are to close 2-3 deals, and to leave with a few great, genuine network relationships along with a fat name brand.

Not really counting on a bonus since my goal is to be bottom-mid bucket ranked. I've worked with top bucket second year analysts and do not envy that lifestyle.

 
Jan 11, 2021 - 10:52am

Not in a super rush to leave, and I'm on 3 live set to close in the next six months. Even if only one of those goes through, pretty confident I'll be able to close another by the time I leave in 1.5-2 years

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 12:58pm

I'm in a slightly different situation. I'm a 2nd year who lateraled into an MM from a no name boutique in the fall of 2020. I've never been to the office and never met any of my colleagues. Work life balance has been extremely brutal. Our group was short staffed the time I joined so things were bad from the get go. I've been working 8.30-3 am almost consistently for the past 3 months. Almost wanted to quit the week of Christmas because of the amount of work. Both mental and physical health has plummeted since I started. Gained like 15 pounds and depressed all the time. Now that I look back at it, although I was making substantially less money at my old firm, I enjoyed the work so much more. I don't have the courage to quit without another job lined up but even recruiting is hard when your stressed all the time.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 10, 2021 - 11:16pm

Really sorry to hear that… when you work that many hours, how do you remain sharp? Taking a step back, do you find the tasks challenging? Or are they usually just time-consuming? How focused do you have to be throughout the day? Thanks

 
  • Prospect in IB - Gen
Jan 7, 2021 - 1:37pm

Curious. Assuming banks continue to do WFH until say the end of 2021 or the beginning of 2022. How will this effect the entire analyst population at firms. FT 2021 are going to start in the middle of the year so what's stopping them from leaving too if the WFH work/life balance is the same? What about if firms decide to do WFH until the end of 2022 or do a hybrid schedule? Wouldn't incoming FTs probably leave as well leaving banks with a much smaller FT class with a high amount of deal flow? You'd think they'd have to make a change then when all juniors (An1,2, and at some firms 3) will be quitting in droves...

 
Jan 7, 2021 - 1:59pm

Advice to all the current college students.  It's not too late to change your major to comp science and work in tech.  Let this thread be a warning to you all.

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  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Jan 7, 2021 - 5:46pm

Problem is I feel like I would vibe more with the personalities of those in finance far more than those that work in tech. Ironic since WFH limits human interaction though

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 2:03pm

1st year analyst at a MM bank. We had 4 analysts quit in 4 months. 2 had between 1.0-1.5yrs of experience and reasonably exited to the buy-side, but the other 2 left with no offer in hand due to burnout. The last analyst was only on the desk for a month. We just had our Associate put in his 2 weeks last week as well. Sh*t certainly hit the fan while WFH.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 13, 2021 - 12:48pm

Do you know how they were able to start their buyside jobs early? Did they ask their new firms if they could push up the start dates?

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 2:34pm

Talking to friends every BB in SF is seeing intense analyst turnover, I know MS, GS and CS have all lost first years. Tech equity markets have been on an absolute tear this year which is doubly tough, because with things like IPOs on top of being overwhelmed with work you're waking up at like 4-5am to launch a deal if you're based on the west coast. Especially hard for banks to retain talent when bankers in the bay have the most opportunity to jump ship to tech.

 
Jan 7, 2021 - 5:05pm

One of the best parts of being an IB Analyst is being in a bullpen with likeminded people and in bigger cities more built for that life style. When you take away the team comradery and these cities (primarily NYC and SF) completely shut down, you lose one of the most redeeming qualities of this job. It complete strips the "Play Hard" out of "Work Hard Play Hard".

I contemplate leaving weekly because there are just better ways to make money than doing IB in this type of environment.

 
Jan 7, 2021 - 5:29pm

Has been absolutely shitty first few months as a first-year, at a MM and half the reason I chose this particular firm was bc of culture and how everyone seemed like really awesome people. Now I just talk to the same 1-2 analysts/associates and completely miss out on any of the redeeming portions of the job. Thinking about quitting about once a week tbh

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 5:59pm

This is a big point. I'm a 1st year at a BB coverage group with around 60~ people. It's been 4-5 months since I've started and I'll really only talk to 1 or 2 people consistently about non-work related things ("consistently" is a stretch too, more like once a week). I've never met 95% of my group (didn't intern here) and while there is a group chat with my analyst class, it's mostly just asking each other work-related questions. 

The MD who I've been working insanely close with for weeks saw my face for the first time on a zoom meeting. Everybody is too busy to check up on each other and the staffer has the impossible task of trying to rotate the fucking each analyst gets on some dumbass 50~ page zoom pitch at 5AM in the morning. 

Like someone previously mentioned, it was supposedly "work hard, play hard" before WFH - but all I feel now is just "work hard." 

 
Jan 7, 2021 - 6:08pm

I spent about half a year with my coverage group before things shut down, so I can't imagine not having any in person time. But you are right, you absolutely need the fun side of IB to make your experience fully worth it, as crazy as that is for people outside the industry to understand. 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 8, 2021 - 1:41pm

I would recommend hopping on zoom later in the night with your fellow new analysts, good way to grind together but still get work done. Makes it suck less

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 7, 2021 - 5:48pm

Please keep this thread alive - people are starting to take notice.

 

Patrick sticky this on the top page if possible - you are our only hope. 

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 6:09pm

Agreed-happy to see the traction this thread has been getting. All of us went into the job expecting long hours and cancelled plans, but I don't think anyone signed up for what WFH has become. Tired of people saying "be fortunate for your job," "put in your dues," "you knew banking would be hard." What is happening to junior bankers is not acceptable and people should not have to feel guilty about speaking out. No one can work over 30 days straight outputting PPT slides while being alone in a room (which has happened to multiple people I know). It's not a coincidence that multiple analysts have quit in a short timeframe (with no job too) when the completion rate for the analyst program has historically been near 100%. 

 
  • Associate 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 7, 2021 - 6:22pm

Are these people you know me? I literally worked a month straight without a day off, and Saturday / Sunday weren't "easy" days either.  All from my living room, feeling like stepping outside to grab carry-out lunch or dinner would leave me running home to another turn of bullshit comments.  Sure this may have happened pre-WFH but I doubt people felt they couldn't step away from their desks for 10 minutes during an entire day, and even if they did, at least they were in a bullpen with other analysts/associates to bitch about all of it together.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 11, 2021 - 12:21pm

Wait a few months and everywhere will be feigning for people to join

 
  • Analyst 2 in Consulting
Jan 8, 2021 - 1:22pm

This just makes me sad reading thorough this. I know professional services is meant to be high churn, but this goes against the entire idea of "professional" and jumps straight down to inhumane expectations. Then again, can't say things are much better at my firm. Only difference is we still have most weekends free; weekdays are pretty much in line with you guys (8a - 12a). 

 
Jan 8, 2021 - 2:27pm

From my eyes in my seat - I see tons of juniors get ramped up quick in the office but when they are home, it's not as easy you imagine for them. WFH is not ideal for these kids when they are started out there career.
2nd point I'd like to make - I was speaking to 2nd year analyst and she was complaining about the hours. Look I get it but if your not cut out for it or if it's the first time you've worked hard in your life. Then sorry you picked the wrong path. 80/100 hr for 1/2 years is nothing kids. It's more like 40-60 hours of work and the rest is BS'ing around. I can imagine you had a good life in college and now your have to work. This is the real world kid.
 

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  • Associate 2 in PE - Other
Jan 9, 2021 - 12:20am

Lol I think you're missing the whole point here. Sure, 80 - 100 work weeks during normal times were not as bad, first because most people didn't actually pull those kinds of hours on consistent basis pre-COVID, and second because as long as you weren't cranking on a live deal, you probably had things to break up your time. You walk to lunch and dinner with your other analysts, fck around with the other juniors in the bullpen, and the workflow fluctuates. But with COVID it's actually working 80 - 100 hours straight without any breaks, no opportunity to build camaraderie with your team, and a constant, never-ending stream of work. All while being stuck in your apartment (usually alone). That makes a big difference here.  

 
Jan 8, 2021 - 3:04pm

Joined a boutique IB 5 mo. ago out of college and left last week with no exit plan. WFH was brutal. Never left my room and was depressed af. Decided no bonus is worth going crazy   

 
Jan 8, 2021 - 3:20pm

I've seen significant turnover as well, but I think a pretty big factor that hasn't really been discussed is ease of recruiting/interviewing over zoom. No one is sneaking out wearing a suit/tie or having to jump into small meeting rooms to network. 

 
Jan 8, 2021 - 4:57pm

Im currently interning at a bank non IBD with MUCH less hours and I can agree that WFH for us young professionals is the worst possible way of working ever. 

It seems like all the senior guys in my department enjoying WFH greatly because they live in the suburbs and have their whole social circle their (friends + family) and also have the possibilities to have a decent home office in their large house out of town. As a junior you just want to be in the office. See other people. Go for drinks afterworks ... show that you are motivated. My motivation is just zero during this internship and I am slacking off hard and it is not even getting noticed. I am handing all my work in properly but most of the time I am doing nothing since the senior guys are literally in calls ALL day with higher level management and we check in only once a day. So if I am finished with my task in 2 hours, I basically do private stuff for 8 hours. Sounds good but is horrible.

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jan 11, 2021 - 1:19am

>not in banking

>intern

>complaining about too much free time

 

fuck off

 

 

 
  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 8, 2021 - 11:08pm

Glad to hear I'm not alone. I've had countless emails ignored, meetings scheduled within 5 minutes notice (try taking an uninterrupted shit on Sunday afternoon), and am certainly not in a position to push back.

If people are leaving this soon, I agree that the next few months will be a blood bath. I hope senior bankers wake up and realize that a simple "Thanks" email means nothing to someone they've never met in real life or talked to. It's nice getting paid though..

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Restr
Jan 9, 2021 - 5:38pm

Preach. Instead of saying thanks (without any punctuation or capitalization, aka the bare min), show your gratitude by giving me a break. My entire existence is not your free fucking capacity.

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 9, 2021 - 12:50am

Former N3 @ BB, left a little after bonuses. Started COVID with 5 N1s and 1N2 (me), which was brutal enough, and had 2 incoming analysts. I left along with 3 of the original N1s (now N2s) and everyone who is left is trying to get out ASAP. 

Two of us started our exit opps early, one went to corp dev, and another lateraled to move closer to home.

Largely similar experience to others. WFH started okay, the only thing was A3+ engagement dropped off a cliff, which wasn't the end of the world for me, but for the N1s they lost their only teachers. After a relatively okay Feb/March we got hit with a massive wave of liquidity discussions in April. This was followed by the MDs going SPAC crazy. Finally, the late summer / early fall became IPO bake-off hell. While all this new business was being chased, our paused mandates from pre-COVID started popping back up over the summer and we all realized we needed to jump ship. The new first years both got thrown off the deep end (example: N1 working with no associate, disengaged VP, and multiple MDs on a bake-off starting from week one), since all the senior analysts were pushing back aggressively. Not surprised by any N1 reactions, horrible time to join.

 
  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jan 9, 2021 - 12:18pm

tl;dr: it depends.

I think it requires a return to the office for learning and the old "we're in the trenches together" camaraderie to return, which are the two things that actually make banking bearable under normal circumstances. There's a good chance it won't be the same as pre-COVID, but I don't think it'll disappear. Learning will probably get better, and it'll most likely start with analysts going to each others' desks to ask questions. I used to spend at least an hour every week answering random questions as a 2nd/3rd year (pre-COVID) and got almost no questions during COVID. When you're physically stuck with your team in the office for days or weeks on end without talking to anyone outside your group, the camaraderie will return.

TBH I disagree with some people on this thread about how they perceive work is created. Coverage MDs have an explicit universe with an actual list of company names and often have instructions from their bosses on what they should be discussing (e.g., COVID update + financing alternatives). If you happen to cover software as an MD and five of the companies you cover issue IPO RFPs in the same month, guess what? You probably have 5 bake-offs. If you happen to be a power and utilities MD and a LevFin MD pings you to say "hey -- here are all the companies that you cover that have maturities coming up in the next year" after your group head has told you to start scheduling meetings on the topic... etc. Idk how many of you have seen your MDs get yelled at by global heads for "missing" a deal (finding out that a deal was happening from an announcement on newswire), but it's cringy and I know the pressure has been cranked up. I don't sympathize with my MDs, because while their quality of life may have gotten worse, analyst quality of life is currently unbearable.

To answer your question poorly -- your quality of life largely depends on your workload and is offset by camaraderie, learning, and comp. Your workload frequently depends on the activity levels of your MDs clients, how hard management is riding your MDs, as well as if your staffer hates you. There's no way to guess what that will look like in the future.

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