Anyone see Black Panther? (Thoughts)

This was one of the most hyped films going into 2018 and as a superhero movie fan I had high expectations. I personally thought it was a really great film, one of my favorite in the Marvel Universe Films. Director did an amazing job, story was well written, all actors notably Michael B Jordan were great. The social commentary was also nice touch without being too in your face.

What was your guys thoughts for anyone who seen it?

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Feb 17, 2018

Going to see it next week. I'm really looking forward to it. I'm not going to go into it with extremely high expectations because I think it has been over hyped due to the inclusive and diversity aspect of the movie (which I really applaud).

OP, you should mention in the title and your post that spoilers are coming as the Star Wars: The Last Jedi thread had a lot of people discussing the movie assuming everyone reading the thread has watched the movie when there were some people like me who were just trying to gauge other people's opinions about the movie before watching it.

Feb 18, 2018

I saw Black Panther last night. It was a rock solid movie, highly entertaining.

Overall grade: B+

  1. Amongst the 18 movies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I rank it #3, behind Iron Man and Captain America: Civil War. It comes nowhere close to the masterpieces of "The Dark Knight" and "Logan."
  2. The visuals and fight scenes were awesome. Although there was plenty of CGI, I loved that there were plenty of hand-to-hand combat, which made the movie more realistic than a typical MCU movie. The duels between T'Challah and Killmonger were epic.
  3. The black female characters injected originality and dynamism to the movie in a way that is lacking in Hollywood. The general of Wakanda's army, T'Challah's badass love interest, and his brilliant scientist sister, were unique competent characters who stood on their own, rather than existing as ancillaries to the male lead.
  4. The movie surprisingly had nationalist themes that definitely resonated with me: love of country, no refugees and importing the world's problems, putting the interests of one's countrymen first, respect for positions of authority even if you disagree. At the same time, we see T'Challah's ideology evolving due to his experience with Killmonger, and by the end, we see a king who begins to embrace the international community and Wakanda's place in it.
  5. I thought Jordan's acting was far better than Boseman's, as he was more convincing in his role than Boseman was. I totally believed and felt Killmonger's raw anger and desire for a new world order while Boseman's portrayal at times seemed uncertain and uneven. There were multiple points where I was not convinced that he really was THE KING. I do wish Jordan had more speaking lines and a bit more interaction between him and the others, as his injection into the movie seemed abrupt at times.
  6. The beginning and the ending soared while large chunks of the middle dragged on. Some of the lines, although meaning to be funny, came across as a bit too try hard.

The movie was definitely overhyped by the liberal media due to the obvious cultural and identity politics reasons.

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Feb 19, 2018

Gives movie a B+ but calls it "overhyped by the liberal media"... the metacritic score is 88 (B+).... haven't seen the movie so I don't have any opinion on it but, according to your score, it is properly hyped... you couldn't help but take a shot at the "liberal media".

p.s. Iron Man is significantly worse than GoTG Vol. 1 & Winter Soldier. Civil War was a waste of the source material, should've been the best Disney/ Marvel film by a mile but I'd rank it 3rd (behind GoTG and WS).

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Feb 18, 2018
BobTheBaker:

Gives movie a B+ but calls it "overhyped by the liberal media"... the metacritic score is 88 (B+).... haven't seen the movie so I don't have any opinion on it but, according to your score, it is properly hyped... you couldn't help but take a shot at the "liberal media".

p.s. Iron Man is significantly worse than GoTG Vol. 1 & Winter Soldier. Civil War was a waste of the source material, should've been the best Disney/ Marvel film by a mile but I'd rank it 3rd (behind GoTG and WS).

Wait, are you saying that the movie has not been overhyped at all, and that people are not talking about the political, cultural, and racial undertones of the movie? It's fine if you think the movie is amazing. I liked it just fine, hence why I give it a B+ (to be fair, I'm a tough movie critic). But no, I'm not going to give it an A just because of the hype.

Feb 19, 2018

I haven't seen the film. I am saying your claim that it is overhyped is spurious because 1.) every marvel movie is hyped af and 2.) the actual rating you gave it is in-line with the rating of the "liberal media" so that also doesn't support your claim that it is overhyped.

I don't watch films on the first weekend out, will probably see it sometimes in the next 2 weeks.

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Feb 18, 2018

It was OK. Can't believe killmonger died

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Feb 19, 2018

No, but I was called a racist for not wanting to see it. Apparently this is what race relations have devolved to in this country.

And here I was thinking I just don't like superhero movies...

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Feb 18, 2018
Managerette:

No, but I was called a racist for not wanting to see it. Apparently this is what race relations have devolved to in this country.

And here I was thinking I just don't like superhero movies...

The movie's core messages were laughable.

  1. So this precious metal allowed Wakanda to be the most advanced country in the world despite being totally closed off, no trade, no sharing of information with other countries. Let's translate this into the real world. Sub-Saharan Africa is abundant in natural resources, but the vast majority of the region is a shithole due to corrupt leaders who exploit their people and enact terrible policies. The notion that resources automatically translate into prosperity is a myth: Singapore and South Korea for instance are great counter-examples of this.

Also, did anyone else notice that for a super advanced civilization, their method of picking their king (via mortal combat next to a waterfall) is remarkably primitive?

  1. Another subtle message of the movie is that white colonialists are responsible for the misery of blacks worldwide, and without their interference, Africa would be super prosperous and powerful. Of course, slavery started in Africa long before white colonization, through the exploitation by Islamic nations. And as awful as colonization was, it was the European countries (and obviously the U.S.) that eventually ended slavery. For the record, there are still slaves in Africa TODAY, being held captive by their own people (there is a thriving slave trade in Libya, post-Gaddafi).
  2. Anti-U.S. military. Killmonger is a product of the military, where we are told that he just went around killing a ton of people, using his training to take on T'Challah. Only if Killmonger had been raised in utopian Wakanda, he would have been a good virtuous man, more like Martin Luther King!
  3. If there were no white people, and we just gave blacks more money, they would be super prosperous! At the end, T'Challah makes a donation to inner-city Oakland. Yeah, we have never tried that before (inner city school districts such as Newark has the highest spending per student). I'm sure just throwing money rather than fixing the culture, emphasizing education, stable 2-parent household, and getting rid of victim mentality, is the solution!
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Feb 18, 2018

Where would you be if your dad was a slave?

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Feb 18, 2018
duey_dun_did_it_again:

Where would you be if your dad was a slave?

Not a single African-American alive had slave parents, and VERY few (possibly none) had grandparents who were slaves, as slavery ended in this country in 1865 after the United States defeated the treasonous Confederacy in the Civil War, and we ratified the 13th Amendment banning slavery.

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Feb 18, 2018

True. But most people end up where their parents were. And money and assets are passed on on to kin. That means the effects of slavery and the economic impact to individuals (white people amassing wealth off the backs of whites and the subsequent disparity between white wealth and black will never close)

Feb 18, 2018
duey_dun_did_it_again:

True. But most people end up where their parents were. And money and assets are passed on on to kin. That means the effects of slavery and the economic impact to individuals (white people amassing wealth off the backs of whites and the subsequent disparity between white wealth and black will never close)

  1. No one is disputing that slavery, segregation, and other racist policies had an impact on the current state of blacks. Of course it did. My dispute is whether those factors can continue to explain black underachievement across multiple areas (except sports, movies, music), and more importantly, whether blacks should continue using that as an excuse to justify their life choices.
  2. Vast majority of whites did not own slaves, nor did they benefit from it.
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Feb 18, 2018

1.) I just told you how statistics show that on average middle income families cultivate children who endbup middle income.

Feb 20, 2018

Highly recommend you watch "13th" on Netflix. It's a short, mainstream documentary that draws a line from slavery to the "current state of blacks." If you're genuinely disputing whether there are institutional, political, social, or economic vestiges of the slavery era, the film might be illuminating.

I think most reasonable people can admit that this conservative narrative doesn't make sense. "Slavery ended hundreds of years ago-- get over it." Let's just be honest about the de jure and de facto forces that have shaped our current reality since then: Jim Crow, wealth inequality, segregation, housing restrictions, over-policing, suffrage... Our parents are old enough to have experience some of these issues. Things are much better now, yes, but this post-racial myth has the same structure. "Obama was elected-- get over racism." All the while, conservatism has had the unique privilege of derogating its victims of color with character flaws and questionable "life choices." They fight affirmative action tooth-and-nail because their ancestors didn't own slaves, as if that anecdotal evidence somehow has an impact on our current, statistical reality. How disingenuous.

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Feb 18, 2018
BackOfficeBert:

Highly recommend you watch "13th" on Netflix. It's a short, mainstream documentary that draws a line from slavery to the "current state of blacks." If you're genuinely disputing whether there are institutional, political, social, or economic vestiges of the slavery era, the film might be illuminating.

I think most reasonable people can admit that this conservative narrative doesn't make sense. "Slavery ended hundreds of years ago-- get over it." Let's just be honest about the de jure and de facto forces that have shaped our current reality since then: Jim Crow, wealth inequality, segregation, housing restrictions, over-policing, suffrage... Our parents are old enough to have experience some of these issues. Things are much better now, yes, but this post-racial myth has the same structure. "Obama was elected-- get over racism." All the while, conservatism has had the unique privilege of derogating its victims of color with character flaws and questionable "life choices." They fight affirmative action tooth-and-nail because their ancestors didn't own slaves, as if that anecdotal evidence somehow has an impact on our current, statistical reality. How disingenuous.

Why should affluent blacks get affirmative action treatment while working class Asians and whites don't? Is racism and slavery really the sole explanatory variable for blacks committing 50% of the crime despite being just 13% of the nation's population? The crime rate and % of single-parent households is higher now than it was in the 60's when blacks faced far more racism and systemic discrimination than now. Look, no one is arguing that there is no connection between history and the present but rather that those explanations are incomplete. Moreover, it has created a victim mentality within blacks that prevent them from reaching their full potential.

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Feb 20, 2018

The claim itself that "blacks commit more crime" is spurious. Mainstream research suggests that Blacks are convicted of more crimes, yes-- but this is related to trends in policing, coercion, classification of crimes, lack of education, and poverty, for example. All of which have soured attitudes towards the justice system/law enforcement. No one is making the facile "because slavery" argument that your narrative continues to draw upon, but if you're savvy, you'll certainly question coincidence. Again, "13th" gives great perspective on the confluence of social factors for mass incarceration.

As for affirmative action, there is NO evidence to suggest that White or Asian populations have been adversely affected. Your bias relies on purely anecdotal supposition, as racial quotas have been unconstitutional for some time now. I'm dying to know which population is more significant: the criminal, promiscuous, victim-class of Blacks or the scores of affluent Blacks who exploit affirmative action? Your Fox News bullet points paint Blacks as victims and victors here. These contradictions that vilify Black people from every angle are precisely why this rhetoric isn't taken seriously.

I won't deny the inevitability of the victim complex, though I think you're again playing to Tucker Carlson anecdotes. This is precisely why I consider myself a Liberal. Instead of derogating those affected by social issues, why not interrogate those social issues? It's expedient to call minorities lazy, and suggest that poor people want to be poor. Let's look at underachievement as a descriptive statistic, not a prescriptive one.

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Feb 18, 2018

Good points. My take is that affirmative action is a lousy attempt to act like more than enough is being done to repair the damage. The reality that no lame attempts will ever fill The void and anything that would, would obviously be unfair.

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Feb 20, 2018
BackOfficeBert:

The claim itself that "blacks commit more crime" is spurious.

I'm not sure you know what this words means. Not only is is not "spurious", it's a verifiable fact.

BackOfficeBert:

As for affirmative action, there is NO evidence to suggest that White or Asian populations have been adversely affected.

This is also provably, demonstrably false. Asians, for example, have to score much better on standardized testing to get into certain colleges than black and Hispanic (and white) counterparts.

Feb 18, 2018
Troll - Aged 18 Years:
BackOfficeBert:

The claim itself that "blacks commit more crime" is spurious.

I'm not sure you know what this words means. Not only is is not "spurious", it's a verifiable fact.

BackOfficeBert:

As for affirmative action, there is NO evidence to suggest that White or Asian populations have been adversely affected.

This is also provably, demonstrably false. Asians, for example, have to score much better on standardized testing to get into certain colleges than black and Hispanic (and white) counterparts.

Yeah, WTF is BackOfficeBert talking about? I guess all the crime data compiled by FBI, DOJ, etc., are just a figment of my imagination. In order for him to be right, one would need to prove that the disparity in per capita violent crimes are explained SOLELY by blacks getting arrested and charged while whites are not, even when they commit the exact same type of crime and possess identical criminal backgrounds. Simply put, one would need to prove that race is the sole explanatory variable for this massive disparity.

As for affirmative action, there is ample empirical data that shows that whites and Asians at the same college have higher test scores and GPAs than blacks. Academic underachievement by blacks compared to their white and Asian counterparts at the same college is fairly well documented. Not sure how this is controversial.

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Feb 18, 2018

Answer this question.

1.) Come from a middle or upper class family and attend a decent high school.

2.) Come from a poor family and attend a crap high school but have affirmative action on your side.

Which would you pick?

Feb 20, 2018
duey_dun_did_it_again:

Answer this question.

1.) Come from a middle or upper class family and attend a decent high school.

2.) Come from a poor family and attend a crap high school but have affirmative action on your side.

Which would you pick?

This is a false choice predicated on a bad assumption. The vast majority of people helped by affirmative action are upper income minorities, not poor minorities. If affirmative action actually benefited the poor it wouldn't be such a bitter pill to swallow.

Feb 20, 2018

Where are these hoards of upper income minorities and what exactly do conservatives think affirmative action is? You're relentless with the poorly constructed anecdotes and conspiracy theories. Race quotas are unconstitutional. Colleges can't just hand out acceptances to unqualified Black people, and they don't. These overqualified Black people that you also seek to blame, don't exist-- at least not in large enough quantity to be the capstone rebuttal of affirmative action. We can look to widening gaps in wealth and education to debunk this. I can also assure you that White/Asian college matriculation rates have not been negatively affected, despite what you've heard from your Ivy League reject friends.

Here's something else: Affirmative action is "such a bitter pill to swallow" because it primarily serves minorities. Majority Americans see the loss of an already unfair advantage as a "war" on their rights. The statistical reality that Whites have always reaped greater opportunity and wealth notwithstanding, they largely oppose policies that give an equalizing advantage to minorities. These are the simple dynamics of in-group bias, called the principle-policy gap. No conspiracy theory necessary.

P.S. Let me know where I can get some lemmings to SB all of my posts.

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Feb 20, 2018
BackOfficeBert:

Where are these hoards of upper income minorities and what exactly do conservatives think affirmative action is?

I don't know. What do YOU think the purpose of affirmative action is? Because if its purpose is to help low-income minorities get a boost economically, AA is a demonstrable failure.

From the New York Times (not Fox News):

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/sunday-review/re...
"[L]ow-income students, controlling for race, receive either no preference or a modest one, depending on which study you believe."

AA is "welfare" for the upper classes.

BackOfficeBert:

You're relentless with the poorly constructed anecdotes and conspiracy theories.

I literally did not put forth a single anecdote or conspiracy theory. I challenge you to show me the anecdote or conspiracy theory I put forth.

BackOfficeBert:

Race quotas are unconstitutional. Colleges can't just hand out acceptances to unqualified Black people

And yet they do, which is why whites and Asians (Asians, in particular) have to score much higher on standardized tests to get into prestigious universities. This is a fact--an easily verifiable fact.

BackOfficeBert:

These overqualified Black people that you also seek to blame, don't exist-- at least not in large enough quantity to be the capstone rebuttal of affirmative action.

Who is talking about "over-qualified" black and Hispanic people. We are talking about upper-income blacks and Hispanics. Again, there is zero evidence that AA helps the poor.

BackOfficeBert:

We can look to widening gaps in wealth and education to debunk this.

Debunk? Doesn't this prove our point? If AA were effective, maybe we wouldn't be seeing widening gaps in educational and economic attainment.

BackOfficeBert:

Here's something else: Affirmative action is "such a bitter pill to swallow" because it primarily serves minorities.

No, because it primarily serves upper income minorities who don't need the help. Also, it's immoral to use someone's skin color to make judgments about admissions and hiring. That's what I learned from MLK, Jr.

BackOfficeBert:

Majority Americans see the loss of an already unfair advantage as a "war" on their rights. The statistical reality that Whites have always reaped greater opportunity and wealth notwithstanding, they largely oppose policies that give an equalizing advantage to minorities. These are the simple dynamics of in-group bias, called the principle-policy gap. No conspiracy theory necessary.

Ok, if affirmative action is meant to right past wrongs, why are Asians targeted and Hispanics (who were not an historically repressed minority other than for about 20 years through the 1950's) helped? Were our Founding Fathers Korean? Is America of, by, and for...Asian people?

Feb 20, 2018

Are Asians a non-white minority? Because AA doesn't serve them. Are Indians non-white minorities? Because AA doesn't serve them.

This is reverse discrimination, plain and simple. The time to fix the education gap is in K-12. The lazy way is to slap an additional 20-30 points on an application to make it easier for certain groups of people to get into school.

Feb 20, 2018
TNA:

The time to fix the education gap is in K-12. The lazy way is to slap an additional 20-30 points on an application to make it easier for certain groups of people to get into school.

YES! This is my point about affirmative action. Harvard, for example, has literally more money than it knows what to do with. If Harvard wanted to, it could set up an office in south Chicago or SE DC, recruit the best and brightest, and get them enrichment and test prep throughout their high school careers so that these kids can QUALIFY, legitimately, for admission, and then SUCCEED when they arrive. Instead, Harvard, et al lazily throw extra points to applicants based on their skin color. And because a lot of these kids are unprepared academically, they have a much, much higher drop out rate.

But for the leftists at Harvard, et al, it is much easier for them to "throw points" at the problem so that they can pound their chests about how "progressive" they are. It's actually pretty immoral.

Feb 20, 2018

It is because liberals are racist. Hence why they only give a shit about minorities getting divers licenses when it comes time to vote, but who cares if they have them otherwise. Or how they support illegal immigration when those immigrants take jobs low income minorities could otherwise have. Or why you see liberals want to paper over educational gaps instead of fixing them.

Same thing happens when people who used to vote Dem vote Republicans. Blue collar workers were the "back bone" of America. Second they voted for Trump, they were mouth breathing, idiot, racists who can't let go of their blue collar jobs.

Feb 19, 2018
Dances With Newfoundland:
duey_dun_did_it_again:

Where would you be if your dad was a slave?

Not a single African-American alive had slave parents, and VERY few (possibly none) had grandparents who were slaves, as slavery ended in this country in 1865 after the United States defeated the treasonous Confederacy in the Civil War, and we ratified the 13th Amendment banning slavery.

My grandmother's grandmother was enslaved. It wasn't that long ago.

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Feb 19, 2018

What if your dad was a peasant immigrant who didn't speak English but nobody gave him a free pass because he wasn't black and yet he still managed to pull himself up and make it?

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
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Feb 18, 2018

Did he work all his life for free?

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Feb 18, 2018
Yankee Doodle:

What if your dad was a peasant immigrant who didn't speak English but nobody gave him a free pass because he wasn't black and yet he still managed to pull himself up and make it?

My parents were working-class immigrants who did shit jobs. No affirmative action, no government sympathy, or the Democrats begging for their votes. They just worked hard, didn't complain, and taught us the value of hard work and American exceptionalism.

Too bad so many minorities blame whites for their problems and indulge in victim mentality.

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Feb 18, 2018

That was a long time ago when people with no degree and skills could make a working wage. Now everything is surrounded by who can make it into the prestigious universities.

Feb 18, 2018
duey_dun_did_it_again:

That was a long time ago when people with no degree and skills could make a working wage. Now everything is surrounded by who can make it into the prestigious universities.

Then blacks should emphasize education more, work harder, and acquire useful skills, rather than blaming whites and pursuing rap and hoop dreams.

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Feb 18, 2018

Lol hoop dreams.. Ya but since whites can do the same thing and they have the opportunity (through better schools money) blacks will always be behind

Feb 20, 2018

SB.

The immigrant Americans that do exactly what you described are the exact counter-point to the black "victim mentality." All you have to do is see so many first/second generation immigrant families succeeding to know that half of everything is just your fucking mindset and making the best of your situation. When have the "majority" of blacks thought this way? The Dems have created their victims and keep them on the government teat.

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Feb 18, 2018
trustmeimanengineer:

SB.

The immigrant Americans that do exactly what you described are the exact counter-point to the black "victim mentality." All you have to do is see so many first/second generation immigrant families succeeding to know that half of everything is just your fucking mindset and making the best of your situation. When have the "majority" of blacks thought this way? The Dems have created their victims and keep them on the government teat.

One reason why liberals don't pander to Asians is because they run counter to their myth of whites holding back minorities and the victim mentality that they foster. It's really sad how they have in iron grip on blacks' loyalty.

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Feb 20, 2018

Couldn't agree more. The overall movie was solid and as an action movie, I liked it. I didn't like the anti-White, anti-nationalism, anti-military sentiments, and obvious jabs at Trump. Hollywood has vilified too many people, including "us" whites. I didn't own slaves. I didn't do anything racist to anyone. Actually, I am Native American, so you all can fuck off if that's the way this is going to go down.

tl;dr Anti-US, Anti-Nationalist, Anti-White, Anti-Trump. Liked plot line as a story but not what the undertones spewed. C+

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Feb 18, 2018
trustmeimanengineer:

Couldn't agree more. The overall movie was solid and as an action movie, I liked it. I didn't like the anti-White, anti-nationalism, anti-military sentiments, and obvious jabs at Trump. Hollywood has vilified too many people, including "us" whites. I didn't own slaves. I didn't do anything racist to anyone. Actually, I am Native American, so you all can fuck off if that's the way this is going to go down.

tl;dr Anti-US, Anti-Nationalist, Anti-White, Anti-Trump. Liked plot line as a story but not what the undertones spewed. C+

Agreed. There is a part in the movie where T'Challah's younger sister (of course she's a brilliant scientist on par with Einstein) has to treat a badly injured white CIA agent, and says "oh great, another broken white boy to treat." She then calls him a "colonizer." The theater laughed pretty hard. Stuff like that is cringeworthy and racially divisive, but that is precisely what the liberals like. Any movie that bashes whites and glorifies blacks (even if it's not rooted in history and reality) is to be applauded.

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Feb 20, 2018

Exactly. Zero chance my money goes to that shit. Maybe I'll pirate it later on. Fuck Hollywood.

Feb 18, 2018
TNA:

Exactly. Zero chance my money goes to that shit. Maybe I'll pirate it later on. Fuck Hollywood.

An African nation filled with Einstein level brilliant scientists and cutting edge technology light years ahead of Western countries, is as unrealistic as an all-Asian basketball team that can beat the U.S. Dream Team.

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Feb 20, 2018

But a white man being so rich than he can create suits that are as useful as superpowers is, off course, realistic. Its a superhero movie, it doesn't have to be realistic.

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Feb 20, 2018

Taking the race card out of it, Ironman is not "realistic" but seems more plausible.

Would you be surprised if tomorrow morning the news broke that Elon Musk invented a robotic suit that could fly and shoot. (Not exactly like Ironman, but in some capacity. I know the Ironman suit would essentially require the power of a nuclear reactor.)

I would be a little more shocked to learn about an advanced civilization living hidden on our planet.

It's like, whats more likely to happen, an alien, who looks exactly like us, coming to this planet, having super powers but being a benevolent individual who doesn't want to takeover, or a billionaire who fights criminals at night with his bare hands? More likely than not the alien would probably take over and the billionaire would just say screw it and bangs chicks. That's what makes it comic books.

I would bet on Batman actually occurring before we see a Superman, but overall I'm not betting on ether one actually happening.

P.S. The Asian-basketball thing could happen, would just take time.

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Feb 24, 2018
ironman32:

P.S. The Asian-basketball thing could happen, would just take time.

You must be Asian lol

Feb 18, 2018
ElGranMono:

But a white man being so rich than he can create suits that are as useful as superpowers is, off course, realistic. Its a superhero movie, it doesn't have to be realistic.

Iron Man is way more plausible. If Elon Musk decided to spend his fortune on something like the Iron Man suit, he could probably create something similar within 5 years or so. Another more fundamental difference is that very few people came out of Iron Man with the view that the movie is applicable to current political, social, and cultural issues. Many on the Left, in contrast, see Black Panther as the model of Afro-futurism, what Africa could be like without white colonization and white interference.

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Feb 20, 2018

I only went because it was a networking event and the drinks more than made up for the price of the ticket. Otherwise, agreed. I wouldn't spend money on it.

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Feb 20, 2018

Zero chance I see the movie. Comic movies haven't been good since the first X-men, early Spider-Man movies and Batman. Wonder Woman was great though.

And no shit this movie broke box office records as it was endlessly pushed and large blocks of tickets were bought by schools and social groups. I guess all these idiots forget about the Blade trilogy when they are blabing on about the historic nature of the movie.

Comic movies used to be fun. Now they are preachy piles of Bullshit. The actual Black Panther comic book was a small run and had mixed reviews. But I guess Hollywood needs something to gush over.

Feb 18, 2018
TNA:

Zero chance I see the movie. Comic movies haven't been good since the first X-men, early Spider-Man movies and Batman. Wonder Woman was great though.

And no shit this movie broke box office records as it was endlessly pushed and large blocks of tickets were bought by schools and social groups. I guess all these idiots forget about the Blade trilogy when they are blabing on about the historic nature of the movie.

Comic movies used to be fun. Now they are preachy piles of Bullshit. The actual Black Panther comic book was a small run and had mixed reviews. But I guess Hollywood needs something to gush over.

They even did voter registration at the theaters.

I haven't seen blacks this happy since Obama won. Lol.

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Feb 18, 2018

Are u really this much of a loser?

Do you have a job? Or did some black guy steal it from you?

Feb 18, 2018

This guy lives in a trailor , is missing his s front teeth and works at walmart

Feb 19, 2018
duey_dun_did_it_again:

This guy lives in a trailor , is missing his s front teeth and works at walmart

I feel like that might be a bit of a leap.

Also, I am inclined to think you are a troll as, for a supposed 'IB Associate', your punctuation and grammar is god awful.

'I'm jacked... JACKED TO THE TITS!!'

Feb 18, 2018

Not really. I'm typing on a small phone. I attended Penn state and Pitt and although those schools are not very impressive I am confident that my English language skills arr much more vast then yours.

Feb 19, 2018

1.) No shit the movie sold a shit ton of tickets, it's a marvel movie with maybe the best cast a disney marvel movie has ever had and the first marvel movie in the disney universe with a non-white individual as the main protagonist. I highly doubt schools and social groups made much of a difference, this movie was going to be huge regardless.

2.) There was actually a great article on how Blade set the stage on TheRinger, suggest you read it

3.) It's sad that a majority black major box office movie is even a story as it should be more commonplace. But until then, it'll be a topic of conversation, whether you like that or not.

Watch or don't watch bro, but coming here to whine about your political disposition to the movie is pathetic. The fact that people can't just post their respective reviews of the movie without resorting to the political whining is pathetic. At least Brady gave it a try, before his comments on the liberal media giving the same score for the movie as he did, thus "overhyping" it.

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Feb 20, 2018

Sorry I don't think a low level marvel character is a big deal. I said before I am sick of the whole comic movie thing.

The movie is being endlessly pimped on its social commentary vs quality. Let's not pretend that any of the virtue signaling losers are going to review this unbiased.

Either way, fuck it. X-men and Batman are the best. This turd is further proof of why no money should be given to Hollywood and their agenda.

Feb 19, 2018

Lol who gives a shit about what "level" the Marvel character is? I, for one, am sick of seeing Spider-Man (we've already had 6 Spider-Man movies since 2000, with 3 diff actors playing Spider-Man). I'm all for giving "low level" characters a chance to shine, as long as they are used well and the films are good. Agreed on X-Men and Dark Knight trilogy being best.

Feb 20, 2018

Did I not say I liked the early Spider-Man movies? I am sick of them later ones as all. I hate the cross over bullshit as well. I am sick of the whole comic movie theme.

Black Panther was never a big Marvel character. The movie is preachy. The level of press this movie is getting is 100% based on a social justice them. This isn't ground breaking as Blade was something similar, except Blade didn't have a political them.

In fact, I dislike some of the newer Xmen movies for having political overtones and messages.

And someone who cares about the history of the comic book movies would care about the fact this was never a big character in the universe. I will also happily shit on a Silver Surfer movie or fucking Ant Man.

Feb 19, 2018

X-Men has always been HEAVY on the social commentary (from the mutant allegory being minorities to Magneto literally being a Nazi concentration camp survivor). Maybe your disposition to those messages have changed, you can't have X-Men without political overtones. In any case, maybe you should chill and just watch a movie, I don't understand how some of y'all literally live this politics bullshit we discuss on here. As I discussed earlier with Brady, every disney marvel is extremely hyped. Throw in star wars with that. We now have articles analyzing TRAILERS for these films. This movie is slightly more hyped than Thor was, but that's what happens when you have a cast and director of this level then combine it with it being the first disney marvel film (again disney marvel is the pinnacle of box office success at this point) with a non-white male protagonist as the main superhero. I mean whining about its hype as if it is ONLY hyped due to social commentary is ridiculous. Sure, it probably added some hype, but the hype train for disney marvel is at full tilt regardless. Just wait for Avengers: Infinity War, it'll be roughly the same.

Feb 20, 2018

I am talking about Logan as being the more extreme version of this.

One thing to have light overtones, another thing to be preachy. Either way, I have no interest in watching Hollywood propaganda. And I am sick of the comic book movie theme.

I will happily let the rest of American gush over BP to prove their social tolerance, celebration of a black lead character (while forgetting Blade, all the Denzel movies, all the Sam Jackson movies, etc etc.

And furthermore, the actual Marvel comics themselves are preachy piles of shit.

In conclusion, F the movie and Hollywood.

Feb 19, 2018

Logan is definitely the best superhero movie since The Dark Knight, and is probably 3rd for me all-time behind Dark Knight and Spiderman 2. You missed out if you haven't seen that. Outstanding film. Also, didn't even notice too much that was political about it. Anyway, it's all good.

Feb 20, 2018

I enjoyed it also, but it was limited because of the bullshit they want to inject in a movie that didn't otherwise need it.

https://screenrant.com/logan-movie-mexico-border-p...

Feb 19, 2018
TNA:

I enjoyed it also, but it was limited because of the bullshit they want to inject in a movie that didn't otherwise need it.

https://screenrant.com/logan-movie-mexico-border-p...

Dude, you turn every event into political commentary.
At least be honest and admit that the real issue is these movies express views you disagree with.
If the movie somehow had conservative overtones, you would have no issue with it. In fact, you'd probably celebrate it.

Feb 20, 2018

When will we ever get Conservative movies besides the C-level Christian stuff we get?

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Feb 20, 2018

I don't need or want any more politics. I want movies to just entertain, not preach. And if we had a marvel comic talking about the evils of immigration and over taxation you'd see the liberal faction on this site throw a fit.

Got movies don't piss off half their customers.

Feb 19, 2018

something something left liberals fake news black something something

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Feb 19, 2018

Great summary. SB.

'I'm jacked... JACKED TO THE TITS!!'

Feb 20, 2018

@Dances With Newfoundland

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adriennegibbs/2018/02...
Yeah, nothing to do with pushing a social message. Can't wait to see the overseas numbers to get a better idea of how this movie truly did.

Feb 19, 2018
TNA:

Can't wait to see the overseas numbers to get a better idea of how this movie truly did.

http://deadline.com/2018/02/black-panther-fifty-sh...
Relevant excerpt: The King of Wakanda is king at the international box office, with a stunning $168.7 million in 48 markets through Sunday

No way the movie is killing at the box office, it's all because of all the white guilt people rushing to buy tix to feel better about themselves. No way it has anything to do with the fact that basically every Marvel movie makes a billion dollars now and people are in the disney/ marvel "ecosystem".

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Feb 20, 2018

I posted a Forbes link showing how the these numbers are being inflated through social groups.

Compare this movie with all the other marvel movies, adjusting for the long weekend and then tell me it's not because of social justice pushing.

Feb 19, 2018

I'm going to stop going back and forth with you. Alright man, Black Panther is doing great because of social justice pushing. It's doing great internationally and in the U.S. because we are all just wonderful little social justice warriors. It's fine if that's how you feel. Feel free to take away from what Disney, Ryan Coogler, and the rest of the cast of this film has accomplished to satisfy your narrative.

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Feb 20, 2018

I posted the Forbes link talking about go fund me accounts to take kids to the movies, frats, college groups, etc. go show me where that happens for any other marvel movie.

Take that away from them? Didn't realize they build the Pyramids or saved a life. A comic book movie with a massive social theme, stroking all the best of the SJW movement.

I'm sure here will be endless backslapping and self congratulations from everyone and their brother.

Feb 19, 2018

I posted the international numbers. The fact that you think gofundmes and church groups are making a dent in a $200 million domestic opening weekend is laughable. How much do you think they are adding to that figure? Yea bro, you are attempting to take away from what a young talented director and what a talented cast has accomplished. No matter how unimportant it is in the context of our daily lives (it's just a movie) this box office haul is an oustanding accomplishment by Coogler and crew. Instead of respecting that you attempt to shit on it with some garbage about "it's all social justice pushing" and gofundme accounts. It's laughable. If your thesis is correct then hollywood needs to do NOTHING but pump SJW movies out, shit sign me up for that production group, I will put all of my life savings into it. WB needs to go ahead and greenlight a static shock movie and just pile on the SJW themes. The ROI would be oustanding, according to you.

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Feb 20, 2018

Copying a comic book. AFI material lol.

And if you don't think a 4 day weekend and endless social groups (as reported by Forbes) are making a difference, you don't know how to look at things.

But you have tons of evidence to counter my statements that I've included links to.

Naa. Righteous indignation and huffing and puffing because I don't cry like all the other wimp critics and a probably decent but not great, minor comic book character movie.

Feb 19, 2018

Where are your numbers? This movie opened at roughly $200 million domestically, how much do you think social groups and gofundmes are affecting this? 10 million? 30? 50? You asked for international figures, it is doing outstanding internationally. Is that also social groups and gofundmes? Do they have president's day in the UK?

EDIT: Without watching the movie, you've already categorized Coogler's work as simply "copying a comic book". This seems like you directly trying to diminish his and the cast's talent. Do you feel the same way of Nolan and The Dark Knight? Heath Ledger and his portrayal of The Joker?

Feb 20, 2018

1) the US figures are inflated because of the 4 day weekend and social impact in the US.

2) Doing well is not quantifiable. I brought up international because the endless stroke fest in the US isn't as big overthere.

3) see link here and sort by opening

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?vie...
Less theaters, 4 day weekend. You saying that this social impact has no effect?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/...
Absolutely has an impact. Fucking kids are buying out theaters and upcharging on the tickets.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/15/586172011/ticket-sa...
"Civic groups have been buying out whole screenings so that African-American children can experience the film together."

Juicing sales. Let's be real. Good marvel movies do well. This movie is doing better because of the virtue signaling going on.

Feb 19, 2018

There are many reasons the movie is doing well but you want to focus on civic groups and virtue signaling. Like, how much more money do you really believe they are making as a result of this?

1.) It's a marvel movie
2.) It features probably the most accomplished cast of any marvel movie
3.) It features one of the most talented young directors in hollywood
4.) It opened in a month with little to no competition
5.) It is the first marvel film featuring a non-white male protagonist as the main character
6.) It is rated an 88 on metacritic, one of the highest scores a superhero film has ever recieved

To me, it is clear the film did well due to the marvel ecosystem, critical acclaim, lack of competition, and talent. Why focus on "virtue signaling" in light of these realities? I mean this movie was going to clear $150 million regardless. Ironically, Brady has seen it and I haven't. Maybe I need to get my virtue signaling game up. @Dances With Newfoundland I hope you took one of those Seattle SJW chics to see the film with you in order to fully signal your virtue and you banged it out after, you deserve it.

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Feb 20, 2018

Opening in Feb with a 4 day weekend and a Thursday prescreen is a good reason. Accomplish cast - lol, no.

Did I say the movie made 90% from social shit? Nope. I simply provided links and data to show that this would have been a very good, but not "ground breaking" marvel movie if not for the endless social pimping and groups buying out theaters - something that doesn't happen outside of Star Wars people when a new one comes out.

The critic score is bulkshit as well. The level of hyperbole regarding how amazing this movie is has reached comical levels. Rotten tomatoes was talking about banning anyone with a negative review because it's implied that person is racist because this is the second coming of jesus.

Just look at how upset you get when someone questions this movie at all.

I'm sure it's fine. Preachy comic book movie. But the headlines talking about this are a joke.

All I know is my dollars won't go to this. Good riddance.

Feb 19, 2018

"The critic score is bulkshit as well. The level of hyperbole regarding how amazing this movie is has reached comical levels."

Lmao you haven't even seen the movie, this is total toolbox status. Brady, who has actually seen the movie and is most definitely not a SJW gave it a B+. The metacritic score of 88 (it's now an 87, we need to get more SJW critics in there so it can be a 90+), is a B+. You are now assuming the movie is overrated, without watching it, because the media are giving a SJW movie (according to you) a better score. Ryan Coogler has directed 3 films, his lowest metacritic score is an 82, he averages an 85. But there is NO WAY he actually directed a good film worthy of praise, they are grading him on a SJW curve.

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Feb 20, 2018

Have you read any of the articles about reviews being deleted? Or the perfect audience score when the movie was reviewed?

And if I saw the movie and panned it, would that satisfy you? No.

Toolbox response.

Feb 19, 2018

Idc about audience scores I care about critic scores. Audiences are generally morons, they think The Avengers was actually a good film. If you saw the movie and panned it I may disagree but at least you'd have an actual basis for your argument. This is the reality you live in, you've called out the quality of a film you've never seen simply because you might not like some themes involved. Your bias is worst than whatever bias you allege the media has and that is obvious. Idc what film it is, if I see Lupita Nyongo, Michael B. Jordan, Chadwich Boseman, Angela Bassett, and Daniel Kaluuya headline a film directed by Ryan Coogler ik the film is probably good. The talent of that cast and director speaks for itself. Of course, I haven't seen BP so I need to judge for myself.

Is it a surprise some reviews were deleted? I have almost no doubt that neckbeards rushed online to give this film a zero without even seeing it because of 1.) the hype and 2.) the racial aspect. I would bet some outright racist shit was said in many of those deleted reviews. That's the world we live in, every day people make movies with nothing but white people that no one bats an eyelash at, no controversy. But of course a huge box office film with a majority black cast is going to get such attention and controversy. After all, people are fragile so that hurts their sensibilities. This is the world we live in. After all, you are here shitting on the movie without ever seeing it.

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Feb 20, 2018

You said best talented cast. I disagree.

X-men - Jackson, Stewart, McKellen, Johansson, plus a bunch of well regarded others.

100% audience approval score is stupid - correct. But it shows the overhype this movie received. It was an example of the case I am making.

Feb 19, 2018

Okay, X-Men is fair, they had a highly talented cast for the originals. Halle Berry won an oscar and realeased nothing but shit after (lol Catwoman).

Feb 19, 2018
BobTheBaker:

Lupita Nyongo

Trying to keep my comments above board, which is not my specialty. So, I'm not going to say I saw the movie then googled some pictures of her to jerk off to, because that wouldn't be classy.

So, I'll just mention that she is one pretty lady.

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Feb 19, 2018
TNA:

1) the US figures are inflated because of the 4 day weekend and social impact in the US.

2) Doing well is not quantifiable. I brought up international because the endless stroke fest in the US isn't as big overthere.

3) see link here and sort by opening

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?vie...
Less theaters, 4 day weekend. You saying that this social impact has no effect?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/...
Absolutely has an impact. Fucking kids are buying out theaters and upcharging on the tickets.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/15/586172011/ticket-sa...
"Civic groups have been buying out whole screenings so that African-American children can experience the film together."

Juicing sales. Let's be real. Good marvel movies do well. This movie is doing better because of the virtue signaling going on.

You're acting like any of this is proof this has a big impact on sales. Even if it does, many of these people going in groups would have gone to see the movie anyway. Nobody knows exactly how it impacts sales and few people care. In the interim, you're critiquing a movie you haven't seen.

Wouldn't it just be easier to admit you don't like black people?

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Feb 20, 2018

I don't like overhyped movies with a social agenda.

Typical bullshit response though. Especially when I referenced Blade and other main character black movies and being way better but getting zero credit or love.

But this is a perfect example. Don't like the movie for any reason - racist. Have an opinion outside of the preconceived leftist notion - racist.

Sad how the words been so devaluated.

Feb 19, 2018

Blade is "way better" based on....? You haven't seen BP. Blade is also not a very good film....

Feb 20, 2018

Blade is better for the simple fact it doesn't have a political agenda. And the movie was ground breaking way before people forgot and hyped this one.

Feb 19, 2018

Dude the original blade trilogy was fuckin awesome. Nobody cared that Wesley Snipes was black. He was a badass in every single movie. They are Sci-fi horror classics, and aren't even in the same boat as BP. BP is just more political agenda bullshit. Blade was pure watch Wesley Snipes be a bad ass and fuck up some vampires, and that was it.

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Feb 19, 2018

"Blade was pure watch Wesley Snipes be a bad ass and fuck up some vampires, and that was it."

This is the description of a bad movie. Wesley Snipes is also a shit actor.

Feb 19, 2018

"Blade is better for the simple fact it doesn't have a political agenda."

You can't be fuckin serious. You do realize this is a totally asinine argument right? Also, stop saying people forgot about Blade. There are articles on the internet about how Blade was the first step that led to BP, I even referred you to one. That still doesn't make it a good movie though. This argument has become total joke.

Feb 20, 2018

Please list the political agenda Blade had.

Everyone of your arguments is literally "lol, this is a joke"

You've got to do better.

Feb 19, 2018

I didn't say it had one. It was a basic hack and slash film. I am saying it is ridiculous to say that a political agenda = bad movie and no political agenda = better movie. That's absurd. There are probably propaganda films better than some shit that gets put out in theaters today.

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Feb 20, 2018

So you agree the movie had an agenda that resonated with you. Cool. The agenda doesn't with me. Hence why I think movies with an agenda are bulkshit.

Blade was an action movie. BP is a comic book movie. Don't portray it like it's color purple or some shit.

Feb 19, 2018

I didn't make any comments on the agenda, or lack thereof, of the movie. I haven't seen the movie. I am saying that Blade is an average movie, at best, and saying that a political agenda makes BP worse (l mean simply comparing the cast of the two is a good laugh) is ridiculous. You accuse the media of bias but you are obviously extremely biased. This movie could be the best thing since Full Metal Jacket and you would still shit on it. As a result, this conversation is pointless.

Feb 20, 2018

Loved Jessica Chastain in zero dark thirty. Think she's a great actor. I think Miss Sloan is a shit movie because of their liberal, anti gun agenda. Movie has a bunch of great actors and the suspense is solid.

A great actor and otherwise solid movie ruined because of a political agenda.

Feb 20, 2018

I'm generally surprised @TNA hates superhero movies given his origin story was used to make one of the most famous superhero franchises in history.

When TNA was a kid, his parents took him to a cinema in Gotham City. As they left the show, TNA's parents were accosted by a gay, black, Muslim, Bernie Sanders-supporting trans immigrant female mugger. He has spent the rest of his life avenging his parents's deaths by living every day in rage and blaming each of these groups for all of life's pitfalls.

Seriously man, you seem deeply unhappy. Full employment, record stock market, your favorite political party controls all of Washington, and yet every post reeks of contempt and anger while you argue with people half your age. Find some happiness.

when you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

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Feb 20, 2018

Straw man, aisle five. Shit post.

Feb 19, 2018

I will almost never pay my own money to see a comic book movie in a theatre, simply not worth it. However I would like to see this at some point, if only as an interesting data point for analysis

I was expecting to hear that it would be a bunch of soft, prog-y nonsense, and seems like it's not, which is good. I think the tide is starting to turn in the African American community, perhaps the time allotment the left had on their auto-vote from this group is coming to an end. One can only hope. Of course, I'd love if both political parties were burned at the stake, but I try to keep my expectations realistic. I do think that the fact that this film turned out differently than expected is a very, very good thing.

Now, imagine if you made a tribalistic, nationalistic ethnostate-ish film about white people...wonder how well that would be received...

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."

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Feb 20, 2018

The last sentence is what is wrong with people today. In essence, this is as bad as if whites did make the same thing, but emmergerrrddd virtue signaling......

Feb 19, 2018

1.) White dudes wrote this comic

2.) It speaks to the sad state of affairs back then that it was impossible to write a black comic book character without his race being an integral component of his character, shit this might still be the case today.

Feb 19, 2018

Here's the thing - I don't care if someone wants to be proud o where they're from, or their group, that's fine. In fact, I sure think it's better than continued self-flagellation. However, within reason of course. Accomplishments and incentives still come into play at the individual level, no one should be forced to pay for the sins of someone who shares their genetics, nor should they be allowed to take credit for the accomplishments. However, a sense of pride is hardly a bad thing.

In our new hyper-polarized ID Politics hellhole climate that politicians have been cooking up for decades, now seemingly the only choices are [race] supremacist or [race] apologist - common sense is gone.

As for white dudes having wrote this comic originally, that's neither here nor there, all my points stand alone.

I'm strongly anti-collective, anti-forced-association with any group. But I'm also anti-forced disassociation as well. Let people make their own decisions about what groups they'd like to interact with based on who they feel they fit in best with. That may or may not have anything to do with race or genetics. Quite a few people I know whose viewpoints I share are about as genetically different from me as one human can get from another. Quite a few people I know who disagree with me on nearly everything are about as genetically identical to me as is possible. Point being, the idea that one should be forced to either take on or disown a group identity due to external pressures based solely on feelings, emotions and frankly, political pressure is one of the most hateful facets of our culture today.

"When you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead."

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Feb 19, 2018

Nah, comic book movies are pretty stupid.

"Work ethic, work ethic" - Vince Vaughn
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Feb 20, 2018
  1. I think Ryan coogler did a great job on the film
  2. Kendrick Lamar's soundtrack was also excellent
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Feb 20, 2018

I don't usually watch Marvel movies, and this will be no exception. Looks kind of stupid tbh. Throw monkey poo at me if that makes you feel better

I would happily go see another Dark Knight sequel if Nolan made one, and even a Watchmen sequel. I'd also consider other movies from the DC Comics side of the aisle, though Wonder Woman was ultimately disappointing net-net

Aquaman could be good, especially given it's slated for a December release this year

Feb 20, 2018

I loved Wonder Woman! Loved the historic aspects of it. Thought it was overall solid.

Feb 20, 2018
TNA:

I loved Wonder Woman! Loved the historic aspects of it. Thought it was overall solid.

It fell below my expectations, which were high. The first half was good when they were exploring the backstory and setting up the plot, but the second half devolved into too much mindless CGI. I would have preferred more intelligent dialogue, less obvious CGI and a much darker overtone, a la Dark Knight

Feb 18, 2018
Going Concern:

I don't usually watch Marvel movies, and this will be no exception. Looks kind of stupid tbh. Throw monkey poo at me if that makes you feel better

I would happily go see another Dark Knight sequel if Nolan made one, and even a Watchmen sequel. I'd also consider other movies from the DC Comics side of the aisle, though Wonder Woman was ultimately disappointing net-net

Aquaman could be good, especially given it's slated for a December release this year

There's massive variance within the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Some are dreadful while a few are pretty good (Iron Man, Captain America: Civil War, Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Black Panther). But yeah, none of those come close to Dark Knight or Logan.

Feb 18, 2018

This is the kind of shit I'm talking about. The "author" literally says that blacks should bark at whites when they talk in their presence without their permission. And attitudes like this are not an anomaly.

https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/we-need-to-st...

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Feb 19, 2018

Hey guys! Let's rush to quote and cite each and every talking head on the internet that writes something asinine as if what they say represents some sort of norm or as if they hold any authority. Honestly, what was the point of this post? I've never even heard of this site.

"The bark doesn't just have to be a counter for useless words, either. A wayward white hand reaches for your hair? WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! A group of white people huddled on a sidewalk refuses to step aside when you attempt to walk past them? WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! "

"Which is why, today, I'm announcing the opening of the M'Baku School of Wakandan White Silencing"

This is who you're citing bro, shit reads like a joke.

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Feb 18, 2018
BobTheBaker:

Hey guys! Let's rush to quote and cite each and every talking head on the internet that writes something asinine as if what they say represents some sort of norm or as if they hold any authority. Honestly, what was the point of this post? I've never even heard of this site.

"The bark doesn't just have to be a counter for useless words, either. A wayward white hand reaches for your hair? WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! A group of white people huddled on a sidewalk refuses to step aside when you attempt to walk past them? WOOF! WOOF! WOOF! "

"Which is why, today, I'm announcing the opening of the M'Baku School of Wakandan White Silencing"

This is who you're citing bro, shit reads like a joke.

At what point did the author say that his article was purely satire and that it should not be taken seriously whatsoever? I must have missed that. Usually, when the author is being clearly satirical, he would note such a disclaimer or the article would be published on a site where it is clearly not meant to be taken seriously (e.g. Onion). The Root is a very popular site that discusses issues related to African-Americans.

Feb 19, 2018

I never said it was satire, the fact that it reads like satire is enough to question the relevanceof that garbage. The point is you are citing some random dude from some random site and you are extrapolating it to make a point... I just don't know what point you are trying to make.

Feb 20, 2018

Wow, shocking article followed by even more shocking comments. I was planning on seeing this movie soon but it sounds like it's some sort of cause celebre for ethno-nationalists who believe that cleansing black societies of white influence will result in prosperity for the former.

Feb 18, 2018
PeterMBA2018:

Wow, shocking article followed by even more shocking comments. I was planning on seeing this movie soon but it sounds like it's some sort of cause celebre for ethno-nationalists who believe that cleansing black societies of white influence will result in prosperity for the former.

Although that message is not spelled out explicitly, it is communicated in a very powerful and subtle manner. Basically, Wakanda is super advanced and centuries ahead of all other nations because of access to a super valuable mineral and lack of interference from white people. It is so absurd that I couldn't contain my laughter.

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Feb 19, 2018

Dude do you not know what Black Panther is? That is how the comics were written. BTW, Wakandans, according to the comics, are a closed off society to all other nations. Not just white ones. Ofc Idk how the movie handles it versus how the comics does since I haven't seen it. This basic premise is the backbone of BP as a character so idk why people are on here feigning indignance.

Feb 20, 2018

The movie clearly demonizes whites. Every aspect of the antagonist's existence is about how "blacks suffer due to their circumstances," held down by whites at every turn.

If I weren't fucking hammered from the free drinks and at a networking event, I'd have left the theater.

Feb 19, 2018

So the antagonist, who we are supposed to root against, blames whites for all the problems of blacks... I'm not sure I read that correctly but doesn't this mean we are supposed to root against this thought? Again, haven't seen the movie, just saying your example seems to contradict itself.

Additionally, the whine from ppl over a negative portrayal is so... weak and fragile it's pathetic. Studies have shown that blacks are overrepresented in Hollywood in roles for gangster, criminal, being poor or impoverished etc. Another analysis showed that black people curse far more in movies than the average etc. The indignation and whines is snowflake status.

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Feb 20, 2018

How many white gangs do you know? I know many different black and Hispanic gangbangers.

Yeah we were supposed to root against the antagonist but his views shape the outcome of the movie and honestly the whole theme throughout was such a turn off. Negative in every way towards whites, nationalism, or even the military. Like you can have all of that, I just won't be celebrating it.

The difference is that when you look at other minority groups, you don't find this bullshit victim mentality. Hell just look at Asian immigrant families and how they succeed. I can tell you it's not because they "aren't black."

Feb 19, 2018

I recently read an article about the aryan brotherhood of Texas and how they are the most violent prison gang in the Texas prison system. Nationally, the Aryan brotherhood is generally thought of as the most violent gang in federal prisons, athough that wasn't the point. Here is the point: a certain % of black people are criminals and gang members, Hollywood casts so many black people as criminals and gang members that you would think that percentage were way higher, it's a disproportionate representation. Vice versa for white criminality. Same with being poor/ impoverished.

This complaining and moaning is within a movie universe that has Capt. America, the hero of heroes, basically a saint, the way a true American patriot is supposed to be, white dude. A genius billioniare playboy beloved by most, white dude. A God who came down to help the lowly humans, white dude. A thief turned badass good guy, white dude. Socerer supreme, white dude. A genius scientist who is making the best of an unwanted Mr. Hyde, white dude. A badass space cowboy, white dude. So fucking what if one movie in the Marvel universe portrays white people in a negative light? Like dude, there really isn't enough of the alternative to cushion your fragile ego? It's pathetic.

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Feb 18, 2018
BobTheBaker:

I recently read an article about the aryan brotherhood of Texas and how they are the most violent prison gang in the Texas prison system. Nationally, the Aryan brotherhood is generally though of as the most violent gang in federal prisons. Although that wasn't the point, here is the point: a certain % of black people are criminals and gang members, Hollywood casts so many black people as criminals and gang members that you would think that percentage were way higher, it's a disproportionate representation. Vice versa for white criminality. Same with being poor/ impoverished.

This complaining and moaning is within a movie universe that has Capt. America, the hero of heroes, basically a saint, the way a true American patriot is supposed to be, white dude. A genius billioniare playboy beloved by most, white dude. A God who came down to help the lowly humans, white dude. A thief turned badass good guy, white dude. Socerer supreme, white dude. A genius scientist who is making the best of an unwanted Mr. Hyde, white dude. A badass space cowboy, white dude. So fucking what if one movie in the Marvel universe portrays white people in a negative light? Like dude, there really isn't enough of the alternative to cushion your fragile ego? It's pathetic.

But those movies did not denigrate or demonize blacks. That's the difference. Yeah the heroes were all white, but they did not make political points on whites vs blacks and identity politics.

Feb 19, 2018

I didn't say they denigrated anyone. My point is there is no shortage of positive representation of whites in Hollywood, why whine when one movie goes a different direction. It's pathetic. It's fragile. It's tone-deaf. Especially when considering how many minorities are portrayed in Hollywood en masse.

Feb 18, 2018
trustmeimanengineer:

How many white gangs do you know? I know many different black and Hispanic gangbangers.

Yeah we were supposed to root against the antagonist but his views shape the outcome of the movie and honestly the whole theme throughout was such a turn off. Negative in every way towards whites, nationalism, or even the military. Like you can have all of that, I just won't be celebrating it.

The difference is that when you look at other minority groups, you don't find this bullshit victim mentality. Hell just look at Asian immigrant families and how they succeed. I can tell you it's not because they "aren't black."

Blacks have so much to learn from Asians, but instead they hate them. Look at the interracial black on Asian violence in the cities.

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Feb 19, 2018
Dances With Newfoundland:

Blacks have so much to learn from Asians, but instead they hate them. Look at the interracial black on Asian violence in the cities.

Gonna ignore the "so much to learn" comment that's whatever. Do you honestly believe black people "hate" Asians? Do you honestly believe that black people are carrying out racially motivated attacks in cities against Asians?

p.s. I'd say you've expressed more disdain for blacks on this forum than I've ever seen any black person express for Asians. Online, in real life, wherever.

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Feb 18, 2018
BobTheBaker:
Dances With Newfoundland:

Blacks have so much to learn from Asians, but instead they hate them. Look at the interracial black on Asian violence in the cities.

Gonna ignore the "so much to learn" comment that's whatever. Do you honestly believe black people "hate" Asians? Do you honestly believe that black people are carrying out racially motivated attacks in cities against Asians?

p.s. I'd say you've expressed more disdain for blacks on this forum than I've ever seen any black person express for Asians. Online, in real life, wherever.

Dude, I can post a ton of newspaper articles on black on asian violence in various cities such as NYC, Philly, Oakland, SF, Seattle, LA, etc. Yes, this is real. Blacks see Asians as "easy" victims since they are seen as being docile and weak.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/new-...
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/attacks-...
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Black-attacks-...

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Feb 19, 2018

You said Blacks "hate" Asians which is the reason for such crimes, now you are saying it is because they are seen as easy targets. Which is it bro?

You posted a few articles, two from cities with massive Asian populations. Is this supposed to be proof of a trend?

You didn't answer my question, do you really believe blacks "hate" Asians?

Feb 18, 2018
BobTheBaker:

You said Blacks "hate" Asians which is the reason for such crimes, now you are saying it is because they are seen as easy targets. Which is it bro?

You posted a few articles, two from cities with massive Asian populations. Is this supposed to be proof of a trend?

You didn't answer my question, do you really believe blacks "hate" Asians?

Lol. Yes, there is a lot of anger and hatred within the black community against Asians. How is that mutually exclusive from what I said earlier? For instance, 2 things can be true: 1) they see Asians as easy targets, and 2) they don't like Asians to begin with.

I did a ton of nonprofit volunteering work with inner city blacks and had a chance to work with them closely, visit their families, and get a sense of what they are thinking and feeling. The victim mentality is real, and they hate that Asians are recent immigrants but have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. I also have relatives who lived in L.A. during the L.A. riots of 1992 and nearly lost their lives.

Feb 18, 2018
Dances With Newfoundland:
BobTheBaker:

You said Blacks "hate" Asians which is the reason for such crimes, now you are saying it is because they are seen as easy targets. Which is it bro?

You posted a few articles, two from cities with massive Asian populations. Is this supposed to be proof of a trend?

You didn't answer my question, do you really believe blacks "hate" Asians?

Lol. Yes, there is a lot of anger and hatred within the black community against Asians. How is that mutually exclusive from what I said earlier? For instance, 2 things can be true: 1) they see Asians as easy targets, and 2) they don't like Asians to begin with.

I did a ton of nonprofit volunteering work with inner city blacks and had a chance to work with them closely, visit their families, and get a sense of what they are thinking and feeling. The victim mentality is real, and they hate that Asians are recent immigrants but have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. I also have relatives who lived in L.A. during the L.A. riots of 1992 and nearly lost their lives.

Bro, at least be honest and admit that black culture in the U.S. is fucked up beyond belief and that your people are responsible for 50% of violent crimes despite being just 13% of the population.

Feb 19, 2018

Sigh, I need quantifiable figures man. There is no culture of hate towards Asians in black culture. There is a culture towards disdain (a disdain you display with every post on this thread and in this forum) of blacks in nearly every culture I've experienced. You can run away with the thought that blacks are jealous of Asians (lol) and hate them (lol) if that makes you sleep better at night though.

I can admit there are various reasons (culture, poverty, racism in the justice system etc.) that exacarbate the CONVICTION rate (which is conveniently used as a proxy for commiting crime when blacks are more scrutinized and likelier to be convicted on harsher charges than pretty much every other racial group) of blacks for violent crimes.

Now can you admit you hate blacks? Your history on this forum speaks for itself.

p.s. the idea that you volunteered with inner city kids (thanks for doing that) and these kids displayed hate towards Asians because they have succeeded "beyond their wildest dreams" (lol) is EXTREMELY hard to believe. Most of these poor kids are simply not concerned about anything else but not being poor. You act like they are sitting down and wondering why so many Asians are in the ivy leagues and they aren't. Come the fk on.

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It was common for recent Asian immigrants to be targeted in Philly schools. Parents couldn't afford to leave, couldn't get into the magnat schools and instead had to send their kids to maximum security k through 12. Really felt bad for them.

Feb 19, 2018

Kids can be assholes. It doesn't make them racist.

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Feb 20, 2018

People forget about the Coolies, basically Chinese slaves. Or the internment of Japanese. Or the blatant Asian racism all over the US.

Feb 18, 2018
TNA:

People forget about the Coolies, basically Chinese slaves. Or the internment of Japanese. Or the blatant Asian racism all over the US.

There is massive racism against Asian men in this country. First, it is still considered socially acceptable to make Asian jokes and get away with it. Second, the media has emasculated and humiliated Asian men going back to WWII. Third, Asian men don't get affirmative action or any minority sympathy points from liberals.

Feb 19, 2018

You deny and downplay racism against blacks in this country then turn around and say there is "massive" racism against Asian men because of jokes? Socially acceptable in what sense? I remember ESPN had a poorly worded headline about Jeremy Lin having a chink in his armor (had a bad game in the midst of his incredible run) and there was an uproar. I remember Emma Stone playing a half asian in that shit movie (I forgot the name), it was panned as whitewashing. Your second statement is on affirmitive action. So, in sumation, racism against Asians is massive because people can make jokes about them and instead of going to Harvard they might be forced to go to Brown. Man, if these were the racial issues facing blacks I'd celebrate and say we've made incredible progress. Not downplaying it. I think racism against minorities is an issue for every minority the United States. I just find your apparent pain at the racism levied against Asians ironic in the context of your stance towards the same against blacks.

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Feb 20, 2018

I am not feigning indignation. I am categorically rejecting the idea that a race or ethnicity can benefit by cleansing their community of other races and criticizing those who hold this belief. Whether a community is historically victimized is immaterial; our goal is not to supplant one form of prejudice with another.

Feb 19, 2018

Lmao, my guy the point is this is how they wrote the original BP character. If you have issue then take it up with Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Considering most of the audience for this film is white, I doubt that watching it means you believe in the notion that cleansing white people from African nations will lead to Wakanda (no idea why I have to say this).

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Feb 20, 2018

My criticism stands no matter who wrote it. I'm not sure why you think my position would change by naming the author or invoking the race of the audience.

Feb 20, 2018

Original comics were written with all kinds of old school hate language. Numerous instances where Batman, Superman, etc has anti black, anti Native American, anti Asian elements in their comics.

Just because small time panther was anti white doesn't mean it has to be perfectly ported over.

Feb 19, 2018

1.) Being anti-colionalism does not mean you are anti-white, same BP is going to be teaming up with a bunch of white dudes in Avengers.

2.) You can't make BP without the story of Wakanda (black, advanced, anti-outsider nation because of vibranium etc.), this is a fundamental part of the character and his motivations. You can't say anti asian is a fundamental facet of Superman's character.

Everyone is just so so fragile.

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Feb 20, 2018

Welcome back Brady (Dances with Newfoundland); we missed your anti black and pro Asian antics. Anyway, I hope your mad swagger is getting you laid at Amazon WA.

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Feb 19, 2018
alreadyrich:

I hope your mad swagger is getting you laid at Amazon WA.

Judging from his "I hate Seattle" posts.... it's looking bleak on that front.

Feb 18, 2018

@Dances With Newfoundland needs to get q job

Feb 24, 2018

Black Panther was really cool. I didn't know you could make an all black cast movie with it actually being a characteristic that is relevant and important to the movie.

This is a story that needs to be told and I thought it was nicely executed. In terms of its merits as a Marvel film, it was very good because the underlying story was so strong. Though, I'm a little uncertain how the series will play out with the way it ended.

I usually tune out in fighting scenes because that usually bores me, when often the fight scenes are just because the movie needs action. The fight scenes in this movie had me on the edge of my seat cheering for one side or the other. There were also so many surprises with the unexpected cast member that was the technology. It was like watching James Bond films in the 70s or 80s: so many things seemed possible, although I had never imagined them.

Definitely my top 1 or 2 films of all time.

EDIT: @TNA sounds kinda weird that you automatically write it off bro. Either you're a try-hard or a racist. It's a movie for everyone with it being a Marvel film and a good one at that, just look at the reviews.

Feb 20, 2018

Keep throwing that word around. It's worthless now. Trump is Hitler, I don't like Baby Ruth which makes me a racist, water is wet, blah blah.

1) I am over comic book movies. Marvel buttfucked it.

2) I am not seeing a movie with advertised political agenda.

3) me shitting on a comic book movie that has an agenda makes me either a douche (correct) or an asshole (also correct), but not a racist (weak form bro).

I'll see the movie, but I will pirate it as I don't give the parasites in Hollywood a penny more than I have to. It's a small print comic and character (fact) and Marvel is overplayed (also fact). I love Blade and plenty of other black main actors.

So in conclusion. Shove your garbage racist claims up your ass and I hope you enjoyed your shitty movie.

Feb 24, 2018
TNA:

Keep throwing that word around. It's worthless now. Trump is Hitler, I don't like Baby Ruth which makes me a racist, water is wet, blah blah.

1) I am over comic book movies. Marvel buttfucked it.

2) I am not seeing a movie with advertised political agenda.

3) me shitting on a comic book movie that has an agenda makes me either a douche (correct) or an asshole (also correct), but not a racist (weak form bro).

I'll see the movie, but I will pirate it as I don't give the parasites in Hollywood a penny more than I have to. It's a small print comic and character (fact) and Marvel is overplayed (also fact). I love Blade and plenty of other black main actors.

So in conclusion. Shove your garbage racist claims up your ass and I hope you enjoyed your shitty movie.

It's really not that political within the scope of art and film. Logan was about being a better dad, X men is usually about family, Spider man is about taking responsibility when you have power, Civil War was about revenge and infighting, whatever.

The Godfather was even about power and the fragility of social economics. I, personally, see a line through every book, film, or even photography. Ayn Rand said that she is a novelist but that philosophy gives her a reason to write a novel. I remember some liberal on the subway saw me reading Atlas Shrugged and got immediately upset, saying she was, "full of shit". It's all the same shit, going one way or the other.

Yeah, you're definitely pretty douchie, just like that lady on the train. It's a lot of that these days.

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Feb 20, 2018

Reading that toilet paper on the subway and I'm a douche lol.

Ayn Rand is a loser.

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