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In Canada, what are the target schools for Investment banking?

Here's my list..
Schulich (York U)

Rotman (U of T)

Richard Ivey (UWO)

Queens b- school (queens U)

any additions or subtractions?

Region: 
Canada

Comments (201)

Jul 16, 2008

Addition. Subtract the rest.

Jul 17, 2008

To my knowledge, the I-Banks recruit at all of the schools you listed. You should also look at McGill as I'd rank it on par with U of T. I know for a fact that Lazard and Macquarie recruit from McGill and not at all the other schools. The BB's and Canadian banks will typically spend a day at each school interviewing around 15 resume-screened students and then select the best for the second round at their head office in Toronto. With a decent resume and average at any of these school's you'll get an interview, beyond that it's about your competence, not your school.

Which school is best is a matter of debate and preference so there's no definitive answer, but I'll give you the general sentiment.

Queen's and Ivey generally lead the way with top ranked MBA programs that reflect on their undergrads. Queen's is four years of business giving them a decent base of knowledge in all disciplines by the time recruitment comes around vs. Ivey's two. However, Ivey is equally tough to get into and students don't have class during recruitment which gives them an edge. U of T is OK but it has much larger class sizes and they force a large proportion of students at the bottom of the class out into Arts and Science; something that isn't advertised. Schulich is a great program in an otherwise poor school that's located in a particularly dangerous part of Toronto so you're dodging dealers on your way to class. McGill is alright but you're in Quebec...

What's your reason for asking?

Jul 17, 2008

In short:
1) Ivey
2/3) Queens/McGill
4) Schulich
5) U of T

This is undergrad only.

Jul 17, 2008

use search function

Jul 22, 2008

ahem...Laurier

Jul 22, 2008

mcgill isnt prestigous, in some circles, concordia b school is considered better

Jul 22, 2008
untitled123:

mcgill isnt prestigous, in some circles, concordia b school is considered better

So you have a 4.0 from Princeton and work as a third year associate at a hedge fund? Let me guess, you were so smart, that you were hired directly into GS's PIA/SSG group and then moved to Citadel/DE Shaw/Perry Capital because you were "so smart" that GS just didn't have enough future potential for you?

...more like a Concordia graduate who works in accounting

Aug 16, 2008
untitled123:

mcgill isnt prestigous, in some circles, concordia b school is considered better

Hahaha. Everytime i hear this same idiotic comment its from a disgruntled Montreal local (local because no one outside the city has even heard of Concordia) who applied to McGill Management and John Molson (Conc.) and didnt get into McGill, just their crappy 'refugee camp' of a school and now they trash talk about McGill.

What's the difference between a JM student and a MM student? They both applied to McGill, but it turns out that the 70% high school average was good enough for JM only.

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Jul 22, 2008

OK program and I know some graduates that have done well but it's not in the same league.

Jul 22, 2008

I think, strictly speaking for investment banking, it's really between Queen's and Ivey.
However, there are pros and cons to each of these programs. Queen's gives you 4 years of solid business/finance education taught by the highest ranked MBA professors in the country, so you know what you're doing coming out. On the other hand, the alumni network in the investment banking industry isn't quite as strong as it is at Ivey, so you would have to work a little harder to get your network up. Ivey has 2 years of business that is still a very high ranking program, but the alumni network is what really makes it. Historically, I read somewhere that Ivey kids don't do as well once they get the job compared to Queen's so I think it just depends on where you're going to want to put the effort.

Queen's = more effort in networking and actually getting the job
easier to perform well on the job

Ivey = easier to get the job because of alumni in investment banking
more effort put into actually learning the skills you'll be using at an investment bank

Jul 24, 2008

What about MBAs? You never hear Canadian MBAs spoken about in the same breath as the big American or even European schools. Is it because they don't place as well?

Jul 24, 2008

Queen's MBA was # 1 in the world outside US by Business Week.

Jul 30, 2008
sisak:

Queen's MBA was # 1 in the world outside US by Business Week.

Higher than INSEAD?

Jul 30, 2008

spot on, VCmonkey

Jul 30, 2008

Yes, higher than INSEAD and all the rest.

Aug 1, 2008

List of recruiters at Ivey (not all, only finance):

FINANCE
Allstate Insurance Company of Canada
American Express
Barclays Capital
BDO Dunwoody LLP
Berkshire Securities
Blackmont Capital Inc.
Blair Franklin Capital Partners
BMO Capital Markets
Canaccord Adams
CIBC Bank
CIT Financial Ltd. Canada
Citi Smith Barney
Citibank
Cormark Securities
CPP Investment Board
Credit Suisse
Creststreet Capital Corporation
DBRS Limited
Deloitte (Audit, Tax & ERS)
Descartes Global Asset Management Ltd.
Desjardins Securities Inc
Deutsche Bank
Diversified Global Asset Management
Drug Royalty Corporation Inc.
Dundee Securities Corporation
Ernst & Young LLP
Evercore Partners
Export Development Canada
Fidelity Investments
Fox-Pitt Kelton Cochran Caronia Waller
GE Capital Solutions
GE Commercial Finance
Genuity Capital Markets
Goldman Sachs & Co.
Greenhill
Haywood Securities, Inc.
Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin
HSBC Financial
Investors Group Financial Services
JP Morgan
K J Harrison and Partners
Kilmer Capital Partners
KPMG LLP
Lazard Corporation
Loewen & Partners Corporate Services Inc.
London Capital Management
Macquarie North America Ltd.
Manulife Financial
FINANCE - CONTINUED
Maple Leaf Capital
Mawer Investment Management Ltd.
Merrill Lynch Canada Inc
Middlefield Capital Corporation
Morgan Stanley
National Bank Financial
Neal, Pallett & Townsend
Ontario Teachers Pension Plan Board
OPAX Investments Inc.
OPSEU Pension Trust
Orion Securities
Pembroke Management Ltd.
PricewaterhouseCoopers
Raymond James Ltd.
RBC
ReichmannHauer Capital Partners
RSM Richter (Accounting)
Scotia
Scotts Real Estate Investment Trust
Standard Chartered Bank
State Farm Insurance
Taconic Capital Advisors, LLC
TD Canada Trust
Tech Capital Partners
Tri-Artisan Partners LLC
Tristone Capital
Ubika Corporation
UBS
Union Square Advisors
Wells Fargo & Company

Westwind Partners Inc.

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Aug 1, 2008

I would post the financial corporations that recruit from Queen's but the list would be too long :)

Here's a link if you want salary information and a list of ALL the recruiters that go to Queen's (including finance-related jobs)

http://business.queensu.ca/recruiting/docs/BCC_Ann...

Aug 1, 2008

Saw something interesting today while poking through files at work...apparently, my bank has rankings of 15 Cdn. b-schools by priority (high, medium, low) and also how they believe those schools are being recruited by American banks and buyside firms.

I can get the list for anyone who wants -- PM me.

  • Anonymous Monkey
  •  Mar 1, 2016

Can you Please get it for me! Thanks

Nov 2, 2017

can i get this please?

Aug 12, 2008

brisbane, surely you jest.

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Mar 1, 2016

This question has been asked numerous times before.
It always comes down to Queens & Ivey.

However, UfT, UBC & McGill would be runner-ups.

Mar 1, 2016

Agree with the above post, but with greater emphasis on Ivey -- this year they actually placed kids into Silverlake PE...pretty impressive.

The best way to predict the future is to create it

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Mar 1, 2016

Above basically summed it up - if you want to go to the US you need to be at Queens/Ivey or have an incredible network. In Canada you can be at UofT, McGill, or UBC. I'm not 100% certain on this but I think Schulich has decent placement for Canadian banks as well.

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey/Queens - Tier 1
McGill/UBC - Tier 2
U of T/Schulich - Tier 3

"Try and fail, but don't fail to try"

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Mar 1, 2016

is this based purely on undergrad programs?

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey, hand over fist (yes, including over Queen's)

QC will send a few kids to GS NY each year, but no other Canadian school has the same US presence/clout as Ivey. Including all of the Cdn banks and Toronto BB/EB offices, Ivey kids get recruited for: CS SF/LA, GS SF/LA/NY, Moelis NY/LA, EVR NY, Qatalyst SF, MS NY, JPM NY, Silver Lake Partners, Leonard Green & Partners, HLHZ LA/NY etc.

This also then trickles down to the PE/HF world: you have ivey HBA alumni at TPG, Ares, Apollo, Apax, KKR, Onex, Anchorage, GSIP etc.

Source: I graduated from Ivey HBA and have worked at an analyst at a BB/EB

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey seems to have the most representation on the street from a bb perspective.

Aug 16, 2008

Concordia is a Tier 3 school according to my bank's list -- in the same bucket as USaskatchewan. It's complete garbage. The only "circle" that Gaza University (as I like to call Concordia) is more prestigious in is for al-Qaeda recruiting.

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey is a great school and is worth the money. There is plenty of information in this thread http://www.ibankingoasis.com/node/4393 .

Mar 1, 2016

1) Ivey
(huge gap)
2) Queen's
3) McGill

This is from an American's pov, however. I will say that here, in the US, while Ivey competes with some of the best schools here in the States in terms of placing kids into banking, I have never met a kid from Queen's in the industry, and only one from McGill (he was a physics major, though, and I actually had no idea that McGill even had an undergraduate b-school to be honest with you).

Mar 1, 2016

As CDNmonkey mentioned, look at the thread above it has great information.
I was also considering going to Queen's or McGill but let me tell you in terms of recruiting there is a huge difference between Ivey and the other schools. If you do well at Ivey you can easily go the US for banking on the east coast/west coast and work in some top groups.

Mar 1, 2016

Even though you haven't included Waterloo in your list, I can tell you that there are atleast a dozen of us going into trading (mostly in US) from Waterloo. There are co-op and full-time opportunities in Tokyo, London, New York and Toronto.

You should seriously check out opportunities at Waterloo.

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey by FAR

(massive Gap)

Queens
McGill

McGill does well in the US because they have a lot of US students in teh program vs. Ivey.

Mar 1, 2016

Thanks everyone for your input. That thread is really helpful!

I was actually looking at Waterloo's Science and Business program and the Math/CA program. They both looked good, but I noticed them (on a poster) way after deadlines for applications.

Here in Canada Ivey and Queen's seem to be neck and neck according to the university recruiters. However from the comments here and in the other thread, Ivey seems to have a big international presence.

Do you guys think Ivey is 'going down hill' as some people put it?

Mar 1, 2016

Queen's vs. Ivey (don't even consider the others)

Education:
-at Ivey, you only take business courses in your last 2 years.
-at Queen's, you take all business courses for all 4 years.
-As a result, Queen's students have better finance knowledge and technical skills (in general).

-Another huge difference: Ivey is case-based whereas Queen's is not, which can be good or bad depending on what you like.

Reputation:
-Ivey is better known in the US, though Queen's is very highly regarded by those who have recruited there/know some alums.
-Arguable who is better in Canada. Very close.

Recruiting (Canada):
-Almost all of the firms come to both Ivey and Queen's...sometimes McGill.

Recruiting (US):
-Ivey gets a few more, but Queen's gets GS, MS, CS, ML, JPM, UBS etc. so it's not like you wouldn't have a chance at those.

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey, Queen's or McGill.

I know specifically that recruiters at McGill this year included GS, CS, Lazard, JPM, ML, MS and most of the Canadian banks for summer and/or FT positions

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey is not going downhill at the undergrad level. The HBA is extremely strong, but you could argue that the MBA has weakened after a switch to the one year program.

Mar 1, 2016

Please man. There are way too many Queens + Ivey grads on this forum for the responses here not to be incredulously jaundiced.

Don't discount McGill. Toronto guys have a tough time grappling with the fact that McGill has indeed very strong placement in New York & London (Toronto is an up-hill battle simply because of their proclivity towards students from Toronto). In terms of their finance program, I would say its better than Queen's and Ivey's in that it is far and beyond more technical. They make them take courses joint with the Master's students, and they really come out knowing their shit.

McGill: (10 Finance courses)
http://www.mcgill.ca/bcom/course-info/majors/finance/
Ivey
http://www.ivey.uwo.ca/hba/hba-ivey-year2-elective...
Not to say that Ivey & Queens guys aren't good. They're a very very talented lot. They place well too. But their case-based curriculum is not nearly as rigorous as McGill's, whose students tend to be a lot more quantitatively inclined.

I know a lot of people who went through recruiting this year at McGill. So here's a rough list of who recruited on campus:

UBS - Toronto, LA, NY
Morgan Stanley - Toronto
Goldman Sachs - Several Offices
JP Morgan - Toronto & NY
Credit Suisse - Toronto
Citibank - Toronto & NY
Lazard - Montreal, Toronto, NY
CPP - Toronto
CIBC - Several Locations
RBC - Several Locations
TD - Several Locations including NY
National Bank - Several Locations
BMO - Several Locations
Genuity Capital - Several Locations
Scotia Capital - Several Locations

Amongst many others. If we want to talk non-IB: McKinsey, BCG, Mercer, Mercer Oliver Wyman, and a few more came as well.

Mar 1, 2016

Thanks for everyone's opinions!

Shizzy, are you from McGill?
That's a pretty detailed list you wrote!

Mar 1, 2016

No, I actually go to McGill's rival school in Montreal. Our campus is a 15 minute walk away from theirs, so I have tons of friends there.

Mar 1, 2016

Are you sure UBS NY/LA were there?

I thought there were some Visa issues with Canadians..

Mar 1, 2016

LA was there for summer analyst positions, I know that for sure. As for NY, I know of a guy from McGill joining them full-time this july. He is American, though. Don't know about the Visa issues.

Aug 17, 2008

rofl,
It's absolutely ridiculous to have even included Concordia and McGill in the same comparison. Concordia is a joke, whereas McGill is an extremely prestigious school. Maybe you should try and look at employment ratings, the average needed to get in, and recruiters and then you'll figure out just how "tier 3" Concordia really is.

Mar 1, 2016

So, do BB's hire for S&T from Canada?
Yes.

Which schools are most recruited?
The schools with the most trading recruiting action are most likely the schools that have the best investment banking recruiting. Firms recruit for banking or banking & S&T, but rarely S&T alone.

That being said, you will probably have the best chance if you go to Ivey. It has, hands down, the best undergraduate finance recruiting in Canada. Queens and McGill are also options, but Ivey is your best bet. (Check out UBC, too. I hear great things about their portfolio management program.)

BB's do not do formal recruiting in non-business programs in Canada.

Would a person from a Canadian uni be stuck in Canada?
No. If you do get recruited for S&T, it'll most likely be in NY, as that is where most of the BB firms have their American operations headquartered. There are some smaller sales roles and desks in Canada, but those are more susceptible to economic downturns; banks tend to close up their branch operations and withdraw back to NY when times are bad. If you end up at those offices in TO, however, S&T isn't a 2yr-and-out kind of thing, so you can request a transfer within the company, provided you've done a good job.

Mar 1, 2016

Awesome. Thanks for the input.

Aug 17, 2008

Concordia sucks ass

Mar 1, 2016

I would say that the experience in S&T is very different from the one you would get from IBD. Though others say if you're good, you'll get offers from both, I am more in favor of someone who knows what they want, and won't dabble in other stuff. Start by looking over the website below, I think it would provide a good perspective to someone in your shoes, who is still in secondary school.

For the question about sports, focus on what you have, not won't have. That's more important when applying for internships/full-time spots.

Regarding a career at an investment bank vs. law or medical school, they're definitely different. You should take a minute to think about what you really want, and explore these ideas in your first couple of months in college. I thought about corporate law a while back and chose to join a corporate finance practice because I found a better fit with the career and mindset.

For school choice, just get into the school with the most value to you. From there, make the most of the network by reaching out to alums early, and have a story to tell about why a career at an investment bank.

+JPMorgan, Campus Recruiting (High School)
http://usibcareers.jpmorgan.com/content/content_33...

Mar 1, 2016

"How hard is it to get into IB from these Canadian Schools? I heard that you need almost perfect GPA, president of 3-4 organizations, work experience, top varsity athlete, exceptional interview skills..."

If that was true almost no one from the aforementioned schools would have gotten into ibanking, since I dont know anyone who did all those things. I'm a second year at Schulich
and was in a similar position to you back in grade 12. I knew that Ivey was tops for ibanking but thought it was too risky since you needed to maintain an A average in the first two years, otherwise they kick you out of AEO and your stuck with a crappy BA from Western. My recommendation is this, go to either Queens or Schulich(also consider McGill, that place probably has a better rep with americans than even Ivey). And then if you are not happy with your chances or are 100% certain you want to get into a BB in NY then transfer to Ivey for your third year. That way, even if you dont make into Ivey for third year you will still have a degree from a top CDN business program.

Mar 1, 2016

thanks, what do you guys think about Waterloo/WLU's Math/Business double degree program for IB/S-T? I also applied to that and will likely get in that

Mar 1, 2016

I don't know why people worry so much about the 80% requirement to advance to HBA1... if you can't cut an 80% in arts/science than chances are you aren't going to make it in IB, let alone in NY.

Mar 1, 2016

Yeah, I also assume that an 80% at western isnt that hard because its a party school where people have sex every night, I was only not going there because of inflated fees, id rather work my ass off at Schulich, if this doesnt get me into IB, I plan on getting a top-tier MBA or law degree from the US anyway, which will make up for wasting money on ivey and not having to work as hard.

Mar 1, 2016

It's way to early to think of law school, MBA, med school etc now, you're only in high school for crying out loud! At least finish your undergrad before you start thinking about them.

It's nice to see that you've set your eyes on investment banking but be warned the reality is that Bay Street only hires a few per year and the chances of ending up on Wall Street from a Canadian school are even smaller. Going to Schulich isn't going to increase your chances. I don't know why so many high school kids think it's a "top tier" school along with Ivey/Queens because from the perspective of recruiters it isn't.

Mar 1, 2016

Aite, there's a couple of things to address here:

1) "How hard is it to get into IB from these Canadian Schools? I heard that you need almost perfect GPA, president of 3-4 organizations, work experience, top varsity athlete, exceptional interview skills..."

That is just ridiculous. I came from a non-target Canadian school and we had more then a few IB anaysts come out of our program with nothing nearly close to this (well one kid was). My friend just finished his IB analyst stint with BMO and outside of finance, booze and girls I'm not sure what other interest he had. Just know your finance really well and get a GPA of at least 3.5 and you'll be fine. Coming from a target school like the ones you mentioned plus internship/work experience will also help. And getting an internship is more likely if you're form a target so again... that helps...a lot.

2) Ivey is by far the most prestigious. McGill and Queens are right behind. If you want Wall Street though your best bet is Ivey. But even then it's very unlikely to happen straight out of Ivey but likely after a few years work experience. A friend of mine's ex-gf went to Ivey, then worked as an IB analyst at National Bank of Canada and now works at a boutique shop in Manhattan. Also, Goldman's Toronto division hires heavily from Ivey. More so than any other Ontario school. Schulich is also pretty good, but your best bet is those three and then "second-tiers" like Schulich, UBC etc...

3) I don't know where you get that being a lawyer is less stressful. You still have to do a buttload of work and you get paid less than an IB analyst. And the work is (arguably) much less interesting.

4) Make sure you choose the right major with what you want to do. If you want into S&T a quanty type major (Physics, Math, Economics) will be of much more use to you than a straight business degree. But if you want IB than straight business degree is probably more useful but i mean in your undergrad it's all very speculative. My suggestion is that you do whatever you like most.

5) Basically it all boils down to this. To work in the States you need a Visa. Getting a work Visa is very hard and much harder than after 9/11. For an employer to sponsor you, they have to provide evidence that they can't hire an American kid to do the same job. And if you think there isn't an American kid from Harvard/Princeton/Columbia/Yale that can't do the same monkey work as you, you're mistaken. Your best bet of getting into Wall Street after your undergrad is to go to an American Ivy (sorry but it's true). As a Canadian though after either several years of work experience or a Masters degree in a certain subject (Economics for example, but not Business or Finance) you are eligible for a TN-1 Visa which is theoretically easier to get. So there's always a way in if you go the non-American route.

Good luck.

Mar 1, 2016

yea, I knew someone was going to say that, thats why I am already prepared to finish undergrad business at Schulich and then get a top US MBA so i can be on wall street. And I am assuming that i will have to do this:

"perfect GPA, president of 3-4 organizations, work experience, top varsity athlete, exceptional interview skills..."

to get there...

I am prepared to do this when I start in fall 2008, because there is no chance I am going to Ivey, and very little chance that I will be going to Queens.

Mar 1, 2016

Why don't you just take out a loan? If you are confident in your abilities Queens/Ivey will pay off. I'm not so hot on Schulich and I second everyone on this board who wonders why every HS student thinks that Schulich is amazing. Have you looked at Rotman? They have some great professors and a trading lab which is very cool.

Mar 1, 2016

Im talking about undergrad, and there is no rotman undergrad.
But I dont want a loan, id rather kill myself then be slave to the lender. Do you know the interest rate? if something happens to me and I dont get into IB, do you know how long it will take me to pay my initial $90000 debt? what about when it compounds to $120k? $150? Id definately kill myself. If i have to take out a loan for harvard or wharton, now thats something I'd do.

AS for schulich, Im not sure why HS students think its amazing, I personally do not, but I think that Its still a top program behind Queens/ivey, its way cheaper and has better automatic scholarships, and I dont have to move anywhere. And if Im going to be good there, I am going to be fine.

Mar 1, 2016

I think your propensity to avoid loans has more to do with your self confidence rather than the cost of a loan. A loan is different from credit card debt. Firstly, don't hate on finance...after all, this is the field you want to get into. Secondly, taking out a loan to study specific programs (finance, accounting, med, law, etc.) makes perfect sense since the payoff is easy to estimate. I don't think you are realizing the difference in quality in recruiting for Ivey/Queens vs. Schulich.

I took out loans to go to university and they definately paid off.

Mar 1, 2016

let the kid do whatever he wants however he wants. he talks too much for a 17 year old kid who knows nothing about how the system operates.

Mar 1, 2016

I agree with you pineapple, we need to start flagging these users. I tracked his posts, and in some cases he has been giving other monkeys on this board advice regarding which MBA schools to apply to...

Needless to say, he does talk too much,

Mr. Canuck

Mar 1, 2016

I have 8 posts in total (9 if you count this one)...

I never did this:

"I tracked his posts, and in some cases he has been giving other monkeys on this board advice regarding which MBA schools to apply to..."

I'm not mad at you, I'm just wondering when did I suggest anything about other people's MBA schools? I never even posted on a thread where some1 is asking for MBA advice...

Mar 1, 2016

Getting to NY from a Canadian school is tough. The Visa issues are one concern, but getting recruited is the real bottleneck. I believe there was one analyst this year in my NY BB that went to a Canadian school out of about 300 IBD analysts. I think that analyst was American, but can't confirm right now. There are definetely Canadians working in NYC, but most of them went to American schools. My advice - apply to the US target schools if you want to be at a BB in New York. Although cost is an issue, most have financial aid and scholarships if you qualify. Watch out for deadlines, many have already passed, and the rest are quickly approaching. If you miss the deadlines, you can also apply as a transfer student later.

The Canadian investment banking market is very small on a global scale. A lot of the work is outsourced to new york because the bigger deals need a lot of finacing, and the US Dollar investor market is much larger than the Canadian dollar investor market. From another post, the poster estimated about approx. 400 bankers total in Toronto (which i think is a fair estimate). A back of the envelope guess would be about 20-40 analysts get hired total per year in Toronto. (my bank hired 2, and I would assume the Canadian banks would hire more). The competition to get in is tough, and spend some time in school to explore different options, and if investment banking is still what you want to do, be prepared to work hard to fight for a position.

Consider student loans or private loans for university. A good education is a solid investment. Enjoy the rest of high school, and it's great to be thinking early and being prepared. Looking back, I kinda wished I was this prepared in high school.

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey and Queens are number 1 for New York and Toronto(in Canada) and McGill can be added to that list for New York (the big five in Toronto don't consider them as much a target as Ivey,Queens, UofT and Schulich due to it being located in Quebec).

Also mrcanuck, I don't think Schulich is as bad as you are making it seem. Clearly Ivey, McGill and Queens are number 1 but my older brother is currently there and I have seen there career centre posts: all the big five and most of the boutiques in Toronto have posted for SA and FT and hold information sessions regulary and all of the BBs (except GS and CS for undergraduates) have posted for FT in either Toronto and New York (lehman and UBS) positions this past year. also the founder of Greenhill (Toronto), former CEO of MS Canada, current CEO of UBS and ML (Canada) etc at the top of my head are schulich grads.

I'm at University of Toronto T St. George Commerce (not Rotman thats MBA) and it seems many of the people I have met here are Ivey, Queens and Schulich rejects. I wouldn't recommend it if you get into Ivey or something instead but we still have good placements.

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Sep 6, 2008

What is Concordia? Where is it?

Mar 1, 2016

frankly you will find it tough with your GPA. Furthermore, after the top 5 business schools in the US, it's not worth it. better to stay in Canada and try to get into aa top 5 Canadian school, which will also be tough with your GPA. Going to the US is not the answer to your problems.

Mar 1, 2016

If you are already at a top Canadian school, I'd just stay put and hustle to improve your grades.

Jan 8, 2010

Concordia is in Montreal. Its the other english university besides McGill. It has a good drama department though.

Mar 1, 2016

can you condense your question?
having a hard time understanding

happy to give advice; no asking for referrals please

Mar 1, 2016

I am sorry for posting too much information.
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I am 27 yo Female currently in my final year of PhD in Molecular Biology.
I am planning for MBA next year due to my interest in Healthcare Innovations. I am wondering if seniors can suggest
me which school will be better for some one like me. (There is lot of debate between ivey and queens).
Also I want aim consulting (Accenture,Mckinsky,Deloitte), does it really matter which specialization I choose in B school.
Thanks

Mar 1, 2016

Rotman MBA is pretty much #1, Ivey MBA #2 and not sure where Queens come in for masters level

Mar 1, 2016

Rotman has a batch of 400 people and I heard there career services are not up to the mark.

Feb 23, 2011

I would go for Winnipeg
http://www.uwinnipeg.ca/index/business-admin-index

Drama:

In Canada, what are the target schools for Investment banking?

Here's my list..
Schulich (York U)

Rotman (U of T)

Richard Ivey (UWO)

Queens b- school (queens U)

any additions or subtractions?

Mar 1, 2016

So you're in 3rd year (aka, there is not Ivey before 3rd year)? I go to one of the above and know alot of ppl at all 4 of those b-schools and I can tell you; If you're in 1st year, go to Queens Commerce. They're solid as nails for Canadian matters and if you're an upper year: Ivey is without a doubt your best bet, especially for ME and Asia. McGill is a great school as such and DeSautels is average, but it's more a non-Finance place. Rotman is lucky to be located in a financial center but I wouldn't recommend it.

I don't know about Europe/UK but if you have any questions about Canadian b-schools feel free to PM me...

Good luck

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

Mar 1, 2016
Independent Gestion:

So you're in 3rd year (aka, there is not Ivey before 3rd year)? I go to one of the above and know alot of ppl at all 4 of those b-schools and I can tell you; If you're in 1st year, go to Queens Commerce. They're solid as nails for Canadian matters and if you're an upper year: Ivey is without a doubt your best bet, especially for ME and Asia. McGill is a great school as such and DeSautels is average, but it's more a non-Finance place. Rotman is lucky to be located in a financial center but I wouldn't recommend it.

I don't know about Europe/UK but if you have any questions about Canadian b-schools feel free to PM me...

Good luck

Hey, could you provide some insight on recruiting at Ivey is this year? Is it possible to say how it will be next year? I recently applied to HBA 1 and I'm hoping to work in a BB (specifically in the states).

Thanks. Feel free to PM me

Mar 1, 2016

thanks for the reply,

im actually in my last year of high school (doing the International baccalaureatte diploma)

i applied for AEO status for Ivey, so if i get accpeted, then ill have to maintain 80% for the first 2 years of undergrad to get accepted to ivey at my 3rd year.'

Mar 1, 2016

Ya, I imagined as much. Just keep in mind there are about a million AEO students @ Western and most don't end up going to Ivey they end up in BMOS (the parallel business prog. at Western with no OCR). So just work really hard if you choose UWO.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

Mar 1, 2016

The whole recruiting report isn't out yet obvi but recruiting was really good for finance kids... If you get HBA1 admiss. in June, PM me and I can send you some of the alums and other contacts I was able to get some benefit out of in this years recruiting process. Ivey has just about everybody recruiting from the US; boutiques like Greenhill, Evercore, Qatalyst included. If you get in and network before OCR and go to class, you won't have trouble landing BB IBD if you're smart.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

Mar 1, 2016

thanks for the advice,

i have one question.

I have a mild stutter that causes me some problems with communication.
i heard that class discussions are encouraged at Ivey and Queens, so i know that if i get accpeted and go to these programs, then i will not participate that much in class.

is this a problem?
Will this limit my opportunities and performance at any one of these business unis?

Mar 1, 2016

Mild stutter = better communications skills than kids who have sketch english. Discussion is definitely a deal breaker because they're very case-oriented programs, but a speech impediment in and of itself isn't a problem. Classes are small so as long as you're a confident person you'll be able to thrive regardless. And if you want a client-facing (FO) position in finance/consulting someday you're gonna want to be able to present yourself verbally. It's a dealbreaker for the career not just school. You'll be fine.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

Mar 1, 2016

I'm at HEC Montreal, I can give you some info on the school in case you're interested.
The school is definitely math/finance/economics oriented, and there's quite a bit of research in all of these areas. It's quite different from other Canadian schools, much more connected to Europe. Classes in French, English, Spanish.
Good luck with your classes,

Feb 23, 2011

While Schulich's alumni network isn't that great when compared to Ivey's, I have heard that those few Schulich grads that actually break into investment banking perform better than their Ivey counterparts. Do you think Schulich's reputation is getting better?

I'm a first year Schulich student and many people I have talked to suggested transferring to Ivey. However, I plan on staying at Schulich for all my four years. I know a few incredibly smart Schulich students who have SA and FT offers in Bay Street, so it is possible. But would Wall Street be out of my reach?

I'm involved in good extracurricular activities and I'm trying to maintain good grades - while starting to network early on. Would the fact that I'm from Brazil and speak Portuguese fluently give me an edge since people with my background are in demand by firms like GS and JPM? Or am I taking a huge risk by staying at Schulich if my ultimate goal is to work on Wall Street?

Feb 24, 2011
br.ca:

While Schulich's alumni network isn't that great when compared to Ivey's, I have heard that those few Schulich grads that actually break into investment banking perform better than their Ivey counterparts. Do you think Schulich's reputation is getting better?

I'm a first year Schulich student and many people I have talked to suggested transferring to Ivey. However, I plan on staying at Schulich for all my four years. I know a few incredibly smart Schulich students who have SA and FT offers in Bay Street, so it is possible. But would Wall Street be out of my reach?

I'm involved in good extracurricular activities and I'm trying to maintain good grades - while starting to network early on. Would the fact that I'm from Brazil and speak Portuguese fluently give me an edge since people with my background are in demand by firms like GS and JPM? Or am I taking a huge risk by staying at Schulich if my ultimate goal is to work on Wall Street?

Go to Ivey. You'll make your life alot easier.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

Feb 24, 2011
br.ca:

While Schulich's alumni network isn't that great when compared to Ivey's, I have heard that those few Schulich grads that actually break into investment banking perform better than their Ivey counterparts. Do you think Schulich's reputation is getting better?

the school can help you break in, it can provide useful knowledge that might give you an advantage, but at the end of the day only you determine your performance relative to your peers. any correlation between the school you went to and the longevity of your career in IB is spurious at best.

Mar 1, 2016

1) Ivey (hands down the best in Canada)
2) Queens
3) Toronto (proximity reasons)

Everything else is pretty much shit. And lets just talk about the big schools, there are loads of borderline legit schools, and some that are just plain no good for IB.

We're just talking about the new crop here, UBC MBA is absolutely horrible. Have you ever interviewed some of their people? Incomprehensible sums it up. I wouldn't want to mix myself with a school that has a rep like that if I were you. BCOMs there are a lot better, though. They are night and day.

Mar 1, 2016

What is IB rank MBA degree from McGill. Can you comment anyone on it?
When I check McGill MBA ciriculum I didnot find seeprate IB courses. All I found is Fianance courses. Is it common. In general is there any seperate IB courses offered by Univ? Hos do we knowif a univ have IB option.
Can anyone comment on my quesitons.
Thanks

Mar 1, 2016

In my opinion and from what I've seen in terms of Bay Street hiring.

1 Ivey/Rotman

2 Queens

3 Schulich

4 McGill

And the rest.

Metals & Mining I-Banker

Mar 1, 2016

As much as I hate Schulich - which is... a lot - I must admit that the school is on the rise. There was a time when BB's wouldnt touch Seymour with a metal pole. that's no longer the case - recruiters take Schudick students seriously... I still hate the school, though.

Mar 1, 2016

^ lmao why...what did we ever do to you? Anyways it true, i'm not in the MBA program but people from the BBA program are definately getting ibanking jobs. I'm only a first year and personally know a guy in fourth year w/ FT from MS as well as another from ML, a guy in third year is presently interviewing with Goldman and a bunch others at CDN firms. I think in the past we were mainly an accounting school but the new batch of first years are mainly interested in finance. I predict we'l be as good as Ivey/Queens, not gonna happen over night but it will.

This is for the BBA, in my opinion the MBA program at Schulich is weaker especially when it comes to the quality of students. This is because the BBA students are the cream of the crop- top students from high school and very well rounded. On the other hand some of schulich MBA ppl make you wonder how they got into Schulich in the first place. I would rather get an MBA from the states or Queens/Ivey/Rotman especially for finance.

Mar 1, 2016

I graduated from the BBA program, too... but know a bunch of people who graduated from the MBA program.

Ivey and Queens Bcom are solid, solid programs. Schulich is just solid. Yes - its reputation is on the rise, but it still has a ways to go before touching either program. Some of my closest friends went to Ivey/Queens and they had amazing opps. upon graduation. Two are in Toronto working for a BB, another is in NYC. On average Schulich students are on par with Ivey/queens students. The difference is that, traditionally, those schools attracted top firms, while schuilch didnt.

career centre has done a great job. really.

Mar 1, 2016

I dont know about the career centre doing a good job at schulich, but i think the quality of students is really on the rise. A bunch of BB firms came hard at Schulich this year. Even some consulting firms are starting to take notice which speaks a lot for a school that is not case based.

Mar 1, 2016

^ were you referring to their undergraduate or MBA program

Mar 1, 2016

I agree with canadian I-banker. The students coming out of Schulich are solid students and their finance program is definately on the rise. The poor career centre combined with the lack of experience (lack of co-op) is hurting the school. How can you be in Toronto and not be able to set up a co-op program?

Mar 1, 2016

Sammy, I'm talking about the BBA.
Pink, I don't think its an inability to set up a co-op program, its more of an unwillingness. Ivey gives their students a week or two off during January for recruitment. They also have a deal with banks so that offers can't explode before reading week. Its generally the students that are accounting for Schulich's rise not the career centre.

Mar 1, 2016

I agree with both of you that the quality of students is key for schulich, but whats wrong with our career centre? There seems to be plenty of job postings on it although I havent seen other schools so I can't really compare.

Mr. Pink, I don't think the lack of co-op is that big of a deal, besides lots of top schools dont have them. We have many first year and second years getting internships without co-op, including myself.

Mar 1, 2016

Sammy, you got any buddys at Ivey? Ask who posts at Ivey and then compare. Furthermore, like I mentioned they have deals with the firms so offers cant explode for like 2 weeks, the career centre at Schulich just doesn't put in the effort it should.

Mar 1, 2016

Hi all! I'm new to this forum (so play nice!)

Here's my situation:

-I have merely 3 years experience: 6 months in a startup, 30 in Engineering, ZERO in finance
-I have been accepted at QueenaEU(tm)s and Schulich
-I plan on being proactive to get as much as possible from either MBA program
-I want a career in Finance (top pick IB, but due to lack of exposure to the field IaEU(tm)m not 100% sure)

Being admitted to both Queen's and Schulich's MBA program for this year, I was really excited about both... until I realized I had a difficult choice to make!

My take on it is that Queen's is highly reputable (according to Businessweek), and very selective. Its 12month window makes it a lot less expensive. (also I would start earlier, which is a plus for me)
On the other hand Schulich is also well recognized (according to Forbes, and FT), but a tad less selective. 20 months of school means that it would have a higher opportunity cost, and I would end a year later.

With that in mind, here's what I'd like to know:

  1. The program I applied for was SchulichaEU(tm)s International MBA (IaEU(tm)d like to work in Japan) Is this just as reputable as SchulichaEU(tm)s regular MBA?
  2. In terms of career opportunity, does SchulichaEU(tm)s location in TO offer a significant advantage?
  3. At 50% on graduation, Queen's placement stats are sad, why are they so low? Is there a mitigating factor I'm missing and really it's not that bad?

and finally:
4. From the point of view of those already in IB (and maybe recruiting), placing more focus on Career and Networking Opportunity, and less on Content: does Schulich deliver over Queen's or the other way around?

Mar 1, 2016

Heres what I have heard and know (as a first year BBA at Schulich).
-I'm pretty sure Queens Commerce (undergrad) relative to other CDN undergrad programs has excellent Ibanking placements. However Queens MBA is a worse. BTW, Did you get into the Queens MBA program for Science & Eng. people? Or is it the regular accelerated program for business undergrads? Either way I'm not to sure as to why they have a 50% placement rate.

-The IMBA and MBA programs at Schulich should be the same reputation wise.

-In my opinion, the two year MBA option is better than a one year (unless you signed an agreement to return to your previous company and thus already have a job offer). The reason being the summer internship between first and second year is pretty crucial in landing that FT job. If you go the one year route, you basically have to enter the program, learn everything about finance, network, and convince an employer to give you a full time offer without having any experience or internship under your belt. Pretty tough in my opinion.

Mar 1, 2016

i got into the QUEEN'S MBA for science and eng ppl , it's still a finance mba though (i heard it was a bit quant-heavy)

Why is the MBA worse than the ugrad? woudln't it be easier for me to find a job with MBA?

What do you think Sammy? (or ANYONE) With zero finance experience, is it smarter to do the Schulich MBA?

Mar 1, 2016

No one is talkin about Laurier cries like a baby

Feb 25, 2011

in terms of MBA recruitment into ibanking its probably
Ivey,Rotman
Schulich
Queens
McGill

Queens only places 1-2 ibankers out of the MBA program the last handful of years, and some of the large canadian banks im talking BMO, RBC, TD, Scotia, CIBC dont even do on campus recruiting, the rankings are high because the students love the program, the employers in the BusinessWeek rankings dont actually rate it that high. However, it provides the best support out of any MBA program so if you really wanted to do ibanking and were slightly qualified they would be able to place you. The Direct Connect is an amazing program they offer. And they have a great brand, mostly due to the undergrad program which is very highly desired.

UofT and Ivey have all the majors and more importantly these days a bunch of boutiques recruting from there year over year, even in the downturn the last few years. The only thing with these schools is that competition is steep, steeper than everywhere else because everyone wants to and has a decent shot at ibanking. So you better differentiate yourself or you wont even get an OCR interview, and thats from speaking with staff at both programs. At Ivey you dont get an internship which is getting to be more and more important as Canadian banks are offering more full time offers to summer recruits. At UofT the tuition is so high you almost might as well apply to a US program.

Schulich has a lot of the major banks and some boutiques hiring from their program, they place a lot into bankiing, but lately these have been mostly commercial banking roles. However, they place a bunch of ibankers every single year and I was at a recruiting even there and they Managing directors from JPM NY and CIBC WM toronto there. Also, if you look at the placement report the career centre staff has exibankers and finance guys with a lot of connections. Most people complain about the assistance the career department provides but they are inundated with people that have no finance experience, dont do an internship and then want a job at RBC capital markets. The thing holding the school back is that the entry requirements are the easiest of the top schools so while there are some really smart people there, some just dont make the cut.

Mar 1, 2016

if you're doing an undergrad, go get an engineering degree at u of t or waterloo. much easier to get into S&T from that angle than straight biz school.

if you're set on going to a business school, i'd say go to the US. if you're set on being in canada, and on the east coast, then ivey first, queens second, rotman third.

Mar 1, 2016

If you want to be a trader, I would probably skip undergraduate business school and go to Waterloo for mathematics and/or computer science.

Mar 1, 2016

tbh, I am not some math geek. The most I can pull off is probably a 92 to 93 in Calculus & Vectors. Does this mean I have no chance of landing a S&T job if I attend Queen's Commerce with a gpa of 3.6?

Mar 1, 2016

You can still get into S&T via Queens, and you don't have to be a total math geek for it. Just do well at Queens - apply for S&T at all the banks, and find ways to demonstrate your interest in the markets in your extracurrics and in the interviews.

Keep in mind - in the states, there are kids coming from liberal arts programs that go into S&T too, not just comp sci, engineering and maths.

Mar 1, 2016

If I had to go through undergrad all over again and knew I wanted trading, I'd pick:

1) Waterloo/Laurier
2) Queens
3) Ivey

Mar 1, 2016
slice09:

If I had to go through undergrad all over again and knew I wanted trading, I'd pick:

1) Waterloo/Laurier
2) Queens
3) Ivey

Agreed.

Mar 1, 2016

has anyone on this forum know anyone or is a grad at UWO (bmos + ivey)? can anyone tlel me about how bmos was and whether if they were to go back in time, they would do 2 years at either mcgill management or queens commerce and then transfer to ivey?

Mar 1, 2016

I've just digged up that Jane Street has hired waterloo students as interns, so if prop trading is for you...

http://www.janestcapital.com/workplace/internships.php

Mar 1, 2016

They hire 1-2 Compsci students each year. Nothing substantial...

I win here, I win there...

Mar 1, 2016
King-Kong:

They hire 1-2 Compsci students each year. Nothing substantial...

Only comp sci? How about Math/Business Double degreers?

Mar 1, 2016

I can't speak for all the schools, but if you're dead set on doing S&T, I wouldn't recommend Ivey. Ivey will only place a handful of kids into S&T each year (probably around 5-10) whereas like ~30-40 will go into banking. From my personal experience, most of the kids I see in S&T in Toronto come from Waterloo.

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey placed more than one students in GS S&T. Did Waterloo? Did any other school in Canada?

Thought so.

Veritas

Mar 1, 2016
Non Target Master:

Ivey placed more than one students in GS S&T. Did Waterloo? Did any other school in Canada?

Thought so.

What desk? What product? What office? I know everyone jerks to GS name on here. I can tell you some of the guys I know from UW went to other shops/desks which they would prefer much more than some random GS desk.

Mar 1, 2016

True enough, but people have to look at the overall nature of the industry and recruitment for it. Even if Ivey places 2-3 (I'm just shooting any number that's larger than "1") students a year in GS S&T, it doesn't necessarily make it a full breeding ground for S&T. But don't get me wrong, I think Ivey is an awesome program and would recommend it to my little brother/sister if they wanted to go to undergrad business school.

Anyone reading this forum, please go to the "S&T Waterloo" thread (link posted below). It has some good insights on how trading prefer Waterloo (for the most part) because of the technical skills it provides students. Be sure to check out FXTrader's comments on that thread.

Mar 1, 2016

Is Waterloo the only "go-to" school for S&T?

I win here, I win there...

Mar 1, 2016

EngSci/Software/UW mechatronics/systems engineering....aka all hardass well reknowed engineering programs with crazy smart ppl. So yes getting into trading with such backgrounds ain't a huge leap.

All the banks have ties to Queen's, so if your $$$ coming from Queen's you have a good chance.

There is no such thing as a top 5 list. There are target programs, programs known to be crazy tough which have very smart hard working ppl, those are the two groups banks prefer. That said most EngSci or Systems Design ppl have no interest in finance like CalTech kids.

Mar 1, 2016

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Mar 1, 2016

Waterloo Engineering for S&T.

Mar 1, 2016

What kind of engineering at waterloo would be best for s&t?

Mar 1, 2016

The reason Ivey doesn't place that heavily into S&T is because there isn't much demand for it. The ones that want it generally get placed.

Mar 1, 2016

No, the reason why Ivey doesn't place heavily into S&T is because Ivey kids suck at trading. Look at the results from the Rotman International Trading Competition. Ivey consistently places near last (out of 40-ish schools). The Ivey team is so sad that in 2012, the Western BMOS team beat the Ivey team, and in 2013, the team of four from Western placed lower than one kid from NYU (the rest of his team couldn't attend because of Visa issues). Basically one kid from NYU beat a whole team of four from Ivey. Also, Ivey kids have really shitty quantitative skills. They can't code and can't do hardcore math (both important for trading). Also, good poker players tend to be good traders. Can Ivey kids play poker? Yet Waterloo is the top poker school with the highest number of professional players as alumni.
s.ratnasw, your logical is completely backwards. Which program actually has higher demand for S&T? Ivey or CS/Engineering from Waterloo? Ivey is a finance-focused school, whereas 95% of the kids from CS/Engineering in Waterloo haven't even heard of finance. Obviously Ivey has higher demand for S&T than Waterloo. The fact that Waterloo still places well despite low demand is just a testament to its strength. Here is a common situation:
In a class of 100 CS/Engineering kids, 5 try to break into S&T, 4 make it. You have to realize that the majority of CS/Engineering kids don't give a shit about finance. They'll pick Google over GS any day.
In a class of 100 Ivey kids, 30 try to break into S&T, 15 make it.
On the surface, it appears that Ivey places better, but who really had the easier time breaking in?

"The code of competence is the only system of morality that's on a gold standard." - Francisco d'Anconia

Mar 1, 2016

fair enough. I'm actually in the Ivey MBA program, and I can attest to the fact that in the MBA program, there are maybe 5 out of 125 that want S&T, but I guess that's a function of S&T hiring being more for undergrads. From what I hear from some of my undergrad colleagues at Ivey, they tend to mostly go for banking as opposed to s&t but those who do go for S&T get placed pretty often. 1 out of every 2, as you mentioned, strikes me as pretty good. Do more than 50% of kids from Waterloo who want S&T get placed? I don't know what their placements are like.

Regarding the trading competition, that's pretty awful. I think Ivey undergrads are very smart for the most part...it's too bad they did so poorly. Our MBA class beat Columbia, Stern, Booth, Sloan, Duke, Haas, Darden, Fuqua and a few other notables at the stock pitch competition (we didn't have a trading competition) so hopefully it was just a bad year for HBA. Regarding hardcore math skills, from what I've seen though, most Canadian bank rotationals for s&t do not require hardcore math or coding. I understand BMO has a structured products rotational that does require coding, but the undergrads that got hired with me into s&t don't all have hardcore math skills or coding skills. In fact while we had a few engineers interested in s&t at an MBA level, none of them made it.

Mar 1, 2016

Ivey Undergrads would cry in Waterloo Engineering/Math/CS

Mar 1, 2016

Different folks for different folks. Ivey undergrads place very well in finance so they're probably happy where they are. Obviously Waterloo is the preeminent engineering school in the country so they're also very good at what they do. (shrug)

Nov 2, 2017

#1: Change your username & remove your picture.
#2: Investment Bankers and Prop Traders are completely different... use the search function.

To answer your question (for IB), you pretty much put them in the right order (Ivey, Queen's Commerce, Desautels, Rotman, Sauder or Schulich). That being said, if your goal is Goldman NYC, Ivey is #1. Next is Queen's and Desautels (providing you get into the HIM program, otherwise forget McGill). Forget the other schools for the US.

Trading is a different animal in Canada... Recruiting is a mixed bag of BCom and STEM majors.

Nov 2, 2017

Absolutely not true to "forget McGill" if you are not in the HIM program.

If this is about undergrad, then Ivey is the standout for IB placement, followed by Queen's and McGill (anyone who says one of these two is better than the other is biased. they both send around the same number of students to IB). All the other schools mentioned (Schulich, UBC, UofT, etc.) will be more of an uphill battle - I would avoid them.

If this is for the MBA level, then I would add Rotman to the list and strike off Desautels.

Nov 2, 2017

McGill

Nov 2, 2017

kid, hard the fuck up and work ur ass off at Rotman. Get 80+ in 10.0 credits and post a thread again. no need to make 20 threads on this now

Nov 2, 2017

fyi, 80+ in 10.0 credits from Rotman w/ good exp is almost auto-admit to ivey but then if you dont have those stats ur not going to break into banking anyways

Nov 2, 2017
the_rainmaker:

fyi, 80+ in 10.0 credits from Rotman w/ good exp is almost auto-admit to ivey but then if you dont have those stats ur not going to break into banking anyways

Well said, but it goes beyond marks. The reason Ivey places so well is that as a second-entry program the qualifications to get in in the first place (post 2nd year) mesh pretty well with what it takes to make it into IBD/Consulting anyways. If you can't get an 80% average in business courses of all things, you might want to consider another career path.

In any case dude, you haven't even started school. Forget about all the extraneous shit, study hard and party hard and post this in 2 years when it matters.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

Nov 2, 2017

Queen's or Richard Ivey, hands down.

Nov 2, 2017

Queens is good. I've heard that the joint Math/Business program at Waterloo/Laurier (?) is decent for those interested in S&T, though I don't have direct experience with them.

Proboscis

Nov 2, 2017

If you don't want to go to UT and haven't even started, what's the point of going? you should find a way to start at a school you like.

Nov 2, 2017

lolz

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Nov 2, 2017

This has been answered a million times already. Go to Queen's for the best opportunities (out of the three you mentioned).

Get a good GPA + Extracurriculars, don't forget to sex up some freshman girls. You're welcome

Nov 2, 2017

You serious kid? You started this exact thread 2 weeks ago. (???) are you retarded or a troll?

I even think Rotman is treated harshly on this site but honestly

If you want finance Queen's & Ivey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.

/thread

Nov 2, 2017

Rotman is getting better, but it's still nowhere near as good as Queen's.

Remember that just because firms recruit at a particular school doesn't mean that they hire anyone from there.

Low GPA is a problem at U of T, and although they recently changed the rules at Rotman, you're still going to be fighting an uphill battle.

Plus the social scene at U of T is practically non-existent. 85% of your classmates at Rotman are going to be international students who don't speak English, which doesn't lend itself to effective networking.

At the graduate level U of T is an excellent institution. For undergrad however, it is sub-par.

Finally:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Uni...

Nov 2, 2017

yay I finally earned 2 banana points :)

Nov 2, 2017

I really don't think any one ranking is very credible, they all have slightly different ways of rankings schools. I always just consider them a rough estimate of a schools approximate standing.

Also, don't forget to differentiate MBA programs from under grad. Not all the schools rank the same in each. I would say Ivey good in both, UfT is better at the MBA level than they are for undergrad, and Queen's is better at the undergrad level than for MBA. - don't know too much about York but I would say it's just under UfT in your ranking above.

Nov 2, 2017
lever up:

I really don't think any one ranking is very credible, they all have slightly different ways of rankings schools. I always just consider them a rough estimate of a schools approximate standing.

Also, don't forget to differentiate MBA programs from under grad. Not all the schools rank the same in each. I would say Ivey good in both, UfT is better at the MBA level than they are for undergrad, and Queen's is better at the undergrad level than for MBA. - don't know too much about York but I would say it's just under UfT in your ranking above.

Thanks lever up for your comment. But I got one question, do you happened to know if any undergrad B-schools post job placement statistic?

Nov 2, 2017

You can google " placement reports" and should find them for some of the universities

Nov 2, 2017

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Nov 2, 2017

Use the search tool, this thread has been posted several times on this forum.

The general consensus for Canadian B-school rankings is:

(undergrad)
Ivey/Queen's
Schulich/McGill
Rotman/Laurier/Waterloo
The rest

Schulich, Ivey and Queen's placement reports are available on the internet. Rotman doesn't release it. I'm not sure about McGill.

Nov 2, 2017

mcgill > schulich

easiliy

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Nov 2, 2017

schulich at the moment is only strong in accounting

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but from viewing the forums for a while and this question coming up xX number of times, its pretty unanimously agreed upon that Ivey is better for placement into IB in the US.

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Paradoxical:

Ivey is better for placement into IB in the US.

That is, if there are any IB positions anymore.

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Have never seen any canadians in any of the banks for which I have worked.

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There were about 4 kids from Ivey at my BB in the IBD division.

Nov 2, 2017

Only 1 from McGill

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I'd say Ivey if you're looking at the west coast - Google this message board, theres another topic somewhere about how Ivey has huge (junior and senior) presence at UBS LA.

Generally speaking, if you're coming from Canada and looking to go to the US, you've got to be star. Having Ivey or Queens doesn't automatically get you in the door with US BB firms, especially in these markets (but sounds like you're at least 4 from graduation so you might just hit the market at a better time).

Something else to consider; if you don't get into a US firm out of undergrad, then get something at the RBC's and CIBC's of the world (large Ivey and Queen's presence). From here, assuming you're a top performer and network well, you'll be well positioned to jump to a US bank.

I'm a Laurier grad and worked in I-banking for two years at an independent and I now work for a MM PE shop in Toronto. In my grad class, out of say 60-70 finance majors, about 10 got I-banking jobs, mostly at the big 5-6 banks. I believe one or two went to the US after a while, and another couple are planning to go (markets notwithstanding).

Good Luck - good on you for thinking about this so early - but don't forget to enjoy yourself through school, you'll be thankful you did when you start as an analyst (especially if you're on the west coast at a BB).

Nov 2, 2017

where did you get admitted to out of those four?

Nov 2, 2017
  1. UWO (Ivey)
  2. Queen's
  3. Rotman
  4. Sauder

Don't think you'll find anyone experienced who disagrees with that ranking (granted that you want to end up in NY / TO)

Nov 2, 2017
  1. Ivey
  2. Queen's
    (Gap)
  3. Desautels
  4. Rotman
  5. Schulich
  6. Sauder
  7. Laurier Co-op
    8.other shitholes not worth mentioning

//end of the thread

Nov 2, 2017

I've seen a surprising (certainly disproportional) number of Ivey alumni at top banks in San Francisco.

After Ivey, I always think of Schulich, Rotman, Queen's, and Desautels when I think of Canadian schools.

Sauder isn't really on my radar, but that's not to say it isn't a good school, I just don't know much about it because I've never met anyone from there.

"Millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do"

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Nov 2, 2017

McGill.
Agree Ivey and Queens would rank higher on a Canadian scale, but the McGill name outside of Canada is second to none... UofT and Queens are safe bets as well.

Nov 2, 2017

For undergrad i think its
Ivey, Queens, Schulich, McGill, Rotman, UBC

For MBA
Ivey, Rotman, Schulich, Queens

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