Major GPA vs. Overall GPA in Investment Banking Recruitment

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I am starting to think my chances at a BB are diminishing. As a rising junior, I currently have a 3.4 cumulative GPA and a 3.9 major GPA(economics) at a top public university. This being the case, an internship next summer will rely heavily on the weight employers assign to major GPA. Is there anything wrong with just listing major GPA on a resume? I am not enrolled in a business school, so do you think that undertaking an honors concentration would significantly improve my chances? Any input is greatly appreciated.

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Should I Use A Major GPA?

While it is frowned upon to just put a major GPA on your resume, it is perfectly fine to put a major and a cumulative GPA. If you have a low GPA (less than ~3.50) and you have a higher major GPA in a major that is relevant to the industry (ie. finance, economics, math) you can prove that you are strong in the subjects that matter by including a major GPA. Our users explained below.

ibleedexcel - Private Equity Vice President:

I think it's good to list both even if they are close together (assuming the major is ibanking-related - econ, business)--it shows that your cumulative GPA is not padded by a bunch of fluff electives (major GPA significantly lower than non-major GPA) for instance 3.7 cumulative = good, right? But if it's 4.0 non-major and 3.0 business/econ major to get to 3.7... = bad.

User @HerSerendipity", a private equity associate, cautioned against including just a major GPA:

HerSerendipity - Private Equity Associate:

Putting only a major GPA will raise flags. Put both cum and your major since your major one is considerably higher. When you say you are at a "top public university" do you mean like a UVA (which is normally a target? A 3.4 isn't terrible especially since you have a strong major gpa. If your major was something like creative writing, then I think it'd be different.

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Comments (161)

Jun 12, 2008

Putting only a major GPA will raise flags. Put both cum and your major since your major one is considerably higher. When you say you are at a "top public university" do you mean like a UVA (which is normally a target? A 3.4 isn't terrible especially since you have a strong major gpa. If your major was something like creative writing, then I think it'd be different.

Jun 12, 2008

A standard resume includes your cumulative GPA. If you only list your major GPA, employers will either think a) that you don't know how to prepare a resume or b) you have something to hide. Obviously you don't want them thinking either one of these things. I'd go ahead and list it.

Jun 13, 2008

Is it dumb to list your major GPA if it's only marginally higher than the cumulative one? e.g. Cumulative GPA = 3.8, Major GPA = 3.9

Jun 13, 2008

fibows-

i do believe that to be the case. i listed both cum and major gpa on my resume but that was because they were several points apart.

Jun 14, 2008

anyone here knows what the ideal gpa is to employers? cutoffs?

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May 18, 2010
bmw88:

anyone here knows what the ideal gpa is to employers? cutoffs?

4.0 is ideal

0.0 is the cutoff if your dad is CEO of a big client or the employer itself (this is an exaggeration of course)

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Jun 14, 2008

I think it's good to list both even if they are close together (assuming the major is ibanking-related - econ, business)--it shows that your cumulative GPA is not padded by a bunch of fluff electives (major GPA significantly lower than non-major GPA) for instance 3.7 cumulative = good, right? But if it's 4.0 non-major and 3.0 business/econ major to get to 3.7... = bad.

Only don't break it out if major is materially below cumulative.

Jun 14, 2008

Wow you guys are seriously overanalyzing this.

May 18, 2010

How bad is a 3.4 GPA/3.9 Major GPA from a non-target?

"I do not think there is any other quality so essential to success of any kind as the quality of perseverance. It overcom

May 18, 2010

This shit reminds me of the Matrix. You guys need to realize there isn't a specific rule when it comes to GPA. Analysts and Associates are screening resumes. This is shit duty at its finest and most people would rather get it done with and go home. Just email some people and be nice and hopefully you can get your resume pushed. Simple as that.

You just know that some people who freak out about their GPA so much will still have it listed 10 years after they start working. So funny.

May 19, 2010

Major GPA: 4.00 / 4.00 Cumulative GPA: 3.88 / 4.00

That is how I have mine listed. Few interviews said "wow, a 4.0.." then realized that cumulative was only a 3.88 and made a sarcastic comment about it being low.. lol

Then we joked about it for a second and started talking about other things.

May 20, 2010

Good thing ill be graduating summa

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May 20, 2010

I have a similar split with my cumulative and major GPA, and I've heard mixed opinions from academic advisors. Mine said to list both, and another said to take it off. I had several interviews this year and was only questioned about it once by the interviewers.

If you're going to leave it on, just make sure you're prepared to answer why you're cumulative GPA is that much lower.

May 20, 2010

@M-002: Too bad you'll be graduating Summa from a state school. Ouch!!

Here's a good rule of thumb: "If it is not Ivy, do not hire it."

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May 20, 2010

this is obviously my personal opinion. I've always included both, since both are decent and the major is a little better.

if you only include cumulative, this is acceptable, but then including your major GPA shows you are really good at your area of focus and pretty good over all.

what creates a suspicion and evokes a question is if you only put your major GPA (usually an indication that you messed up the cumulative one)

So since you have a decent total GPA, and very good major GPA, I see no harm in putting both.

May 20, 2010

definitely put both in your case. The way i was told: always put your cumulative (can't avoid this unless you're really sub 3) and put your major GPA only if its higher than cumulative gpa

May 20, 2010

put both, anything that can put you in a slightly better light is a plus

Disclaimer: The post above has been made by someone who is not currently employed in IBD, and has not had an interview yet...

May 20, 2010

This has been discussed ad nauseam.

Do a search.

May 20, 2010

If your major is Art History, it probably won't help (or it may even hurt). But if you're a math/physics/finance/econ/accounting major, than it's probably a good thing to list your GPA.

May 20, 2010
leftover_salmon:

If your major is Art History, it probably won't help (or it may even hurt). But if you're a math/physics/finance/econ/accounting major, than it's probably a good thing to list your GPA.

Well, I would obviously list my overall GPA. But I was more referring to listing my in-major GPA as well. Not completely sure if that's what you were addressing in your post.

May 20, 2010

I've been told that everything over 3.8 is pretty much the same thing. GPA just gets you an interview.

May 20, 2010

Since you asked about major GPA, that's what I was addressing...

May 20, 2010
leftover_salmon:

Since you asked about major GPA, that's what I was addressing...

Gotchya. Thanks, man.

May 20, 2010

In BBs when we look at resumes generally we take "major" or "core" GPAs with a large grain of salt. It is quite easy to make-up a major GPA just including what you want to. However, that being said if the major GPA is higher include it.

May 20, 2010
PowerMonkey:

It is quite easy to make-up a major GPA just including what you want to.

How is that?

May 20, 2010

I would say include it, especially if your major GPA is higher than your overall GPA.

May 20, 2010

i listed both my major gpa and overall gpa on my resume. I am a finance and econ double major. My major gpa is about .2 higher than my overall

May 20, 2010

I think you may just put in overall. That should suffice.

May 20, 2010

Overall GPA is all that is necessary on your resume. People, as I did back in the day, only put their major GPA on if it's better than overall.

May 20, 2010

overall only in this case. major not necessaary.

May 20, 2010

Put down both. If you only put finance, they'll ding you for not having cumulative.

May 20, 2010

Put the 3.4 banks think that your cum would be sub 3.0 without it stated on resume

Reality hits you hard, bro...

May 20, 2010

Use both cumulative and major GPA. It's common for applicants to have a lower cumulative but higher major GPA, so don't worry.

If you took really difficult courses outside your major GPA, it may be worth writing a few of the harder ones that you did well on on your resume. that should mitigate any concerns on why your cumulative was lower.

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May 20, 2010

Thanks for the comments. I've been told by career services or from visiting professionals that listing both is not an option; you are suppose to pick one. However, I've come to not trust career services very much. I agree that my best shot may be using both GPAs.

May 20, 2010

Never trust career services. If they were any good they'd have a decent job.

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May 20, 2010
coffeebateman:

Never trust career services. If they were any good they'd have a decent job.

You just blew my mind. Holy shit...

May 20, 2010

I would just put both to be on the safe side. Put your major one first and then your cumulative under it, since it is close to the cutoff anyway. For a general cold email just use your major Gpa.

May 20, 2010

Put both, if you only put major people will assume your cumulative is horrible.

May 20, 2010
AnthonyD1982:

Put both, if you only put major people will assume your cumulative is horrible.

Agree 100%, when I see a resume with just the major GPA, I almost always automatically reject it (unless the person has amazing achievements)

May 20, 2010
AnthonyD1982:

Put both, if you only put major people will assume your cumulative is horrible.

Yeah, when I review a resume with only a major GPA I automatically assume it's below a 3.0. Those are the folks that usually only put GPA Major. You have cumulative GPA of 3.42, which looks much better than not having anything but a major GPA. So, put both or the review will just assume you have >3.0 overall GPA.

May 20, 2010

all the classes required to fulfill the major??

May 20, 2010

the classes that you can logically justify being part of or not being part of your major gpa calculation that result in the highest gpa.

May 20, 2010

Go to your academic department website, and see what classes specific to your field you are required to take to graduate with your major....

May 20, 2010

Your University should calculate this for you, if you run a degree audit the number should be there for you, go to your councilor if you would like that number.

I'd suggest getting the one that will be on your transcript to avoid any potential misnomers that could lead to an employers or grad school questioning your integrity.

LIke was said above, it is the GPA of all credit hours taken for the fulfillment of your Major

May 20, 2010

both

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May 20, 2010

Absolutely put both. Just be sure to express both metrics to the same number of significant figures.

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May 20, 2010

Agreed with the above. Include both, but make sure your cumulative is first, listing both on the same line, i.e.:

GPA (cumulative): 3.80 GPA (major): 3.95

May 20, 2010

Shameless bump. Now my cumulative gpa has increased to a 3.85, but my major gpa has decreased to a 3.91...is it still worth it to include it, or is it really overdoing it?...thanks.

May 20, 2010

round to 3.9 and dont include major gpa

May 20, 2010

No one has ever asked that before!

May 20, 2010

Use the damn search function

May 20, 2010

I would round the cumulative to 3.5 and would leave out the major GPA of 3.6. Why?

IMHO putting only the major GPA would trigger questions why the total GPA hasn't been included and the difference of 0.1 is not worth the doubt it creates. Putting both GPAs has only marginal value since then you have 3.5 and 3.6 standing next to each other..consider the 30 seconds people are supposed to look at your CV.

May 20, 2010

GPA doesn't matter if you network correctly

May 20, 2010
Anacott_CEO:

GPA doesn't matter if you network correctly

Uh...
what?
You sure about that one?

May 20, 2010

there's nothing wrong with rounding your 3.46 to a 3.5, and if anyone tells you otherwise they are wrong. that's like me saying i got an 85 on my test when in reality i got an 84....ITS THE SAME THING! but people on this board for some reason go ape shit when it comes to rounding up your gpa......

May 20, 2010

i think major of 3.6 and having a 3.5 should be fine, not like youre gonna have other data on that line either way

May 20, 2010

i list both major and cummulative gpa.

May 20, 2010

Dont round it. You do not have a 3.5

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May 20, 2010

highest to lowest.

also, since your business school gpa is higher, it makes sense anyway.

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May 20, 2010

Okay, so you think that: Business GPA: 3.5 Overall GPA: 3.0 looks better than Major GPA: 3.3

Those are the two different ways it can look on my resume.

May 20, 2010

do biz and overall yeah

May 20, 2010

and why is there a half naked girl lol

May 20, 2010

Put the half girl so people would actually read it haha. Just as a final note -- do you think the 3.5/3.0 split is really better? I had been leaning towards the other way because I feel that some people just skim resumes and might see the 3.3 and think that's overall without looking at the fact that it's major (even though it's denoted as such). I mean do I really have a chance with the 3.5/3.0 split (I do have very strong ECs/exp), as opposed to taking the risk and putting the 3.3 hoping people will read it as overall. Even if they don't, they'll probably assume my overall is ~3.0, which it is.

May 20, 2010

Your resume is a marketing tool. Just put the highest and state that that is your business school GPA. That should suffice. If they want to know more, then they will ask for transcripts and they can see what all your GPA's are. I doubt they will tho, since they mostly care about the business classes that relate most directly to what you will be doing on a day-to-day basis.

You're not 'making up' your 3.5 out of thin air - youre simply shedding particular light on your GPA. Again, resume = marketing tool for yourself. Believe me, investment banks do this all the time when they pitch to clients. Don't be afraid to resort to similar tactics yourself.

Best of luck.

May 20, 2010

Just put your major GPA on it...

May 20, 2010
Whiskey5:

Just put your major GPA on it...

That is what I am trying to get at - those two grades are part of my major GPA and without counting them I would have a 3.85 in my major. They were before I knew I wanted to be an Econ major and before I declared.

May 20, 2010

What's your GPA including the two?
Not that it really matters because it's either your major gpa or it's not.

May 20, 2010

Everyone has a class or two that they did poorly in early on in college. You can't make excuses or get around it. Just put your GPA and major GPA on there and explain it in an interview if it comes up. If you majored in econ then you should have enough good grades in other classes so that your GPA is still in a decent range.

May 20, 2010

Double check to see if it technically counts as your major GPA. My school only counts junior level finance/eco classes as major GPA

May 20, 2010

I had shitty grades freshman year (around 3.2), and then got straight A's after that. After my first semester of good grades, I put my most recent semester GPA on a separate line. After another semester, I changed it to "GPA excluding freshman year". Obviously you shouldn't do this unless your most recent grades are significantly better than your overall GPA, which is how it was for me.

Also I didn't list my major GPA b/c of this. It would look weird to have 3 separate GPAs on your resume.

May 20, 2010

Not much difference between a 3.9 and a 4.0 IMO: I wouldn't list more than 2, ex:

Cumul GPA:
Major GPA ( If Finance is higher AND its a Fin job)

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May 20, 2010

This is how I put mine:
Bachelor of Arts/Science in Engineering and Finance
GPA: 4.0 (major), 3.9 (cumulative)
No need to specify the major; let them think what they want. No one will bother to check/calculate.
I would only split out major if it's somehow more impressive than your cumulative (mine was a spread of 0.4). You could just get away with putting 3.9 and be done.

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May 20, 2010

If I saw someone that had a 3.9 overall and broke down their GPA into major/track/gpa, i would instantly throw the resume in the trash. Why would you ever waste lines of your resume over something so stupid? Put down 3.9 and move onto skills/experience...

May 20, 2010

Three is complete overkill, especially when your cumulative is near 4.0

May 20, 2010

Just use Major GPA and say 3.7.....

May 20, 2010
AGD55:

I'm a junior as a highly reputable semi target (US top 20). I'm double majoring in finance and accounting. My overall GPA is 3.6 and my major GPAs are 3.9 accounting and 4.0 finance. I'm wondering if this makes me competitive for SA roles at BBs and other investment banks and how much importance is placed on major GPA since my overall is slightly less competitive. Thanks.

Also i've been told to list GPA(s) on my resume like this,

Finance GPA: 4.0 Accounting GPA: 3.9 Overall GPA: 3.6

Is this correct?

Wow a 3.6 overall,3.9 and 4.0 major GPAs? Do you even study? No chance whatsoever. Try the PR industry.

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May 20, 2010

Well I hear how competitive it is all the time and how 3.8 or better is pretty much a requirement. Just looking for some basic answers. :(

no need to be a jerk

May 20, 2010
AGD55:

Well I hear how competitive it is all the time and how 3.8 or better is pretty much a requirement. Just looking for some basic answers. :(

no need to be a jerk

You are fine. Other things are more important than your GPA once you are at a certain point (3.5+). Any other experience, ECs, Networking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! etc.

May 20, 2010

When you are an MBA grad, does your undergrad GPA no longer become relevant/get asked for?

May 20, 2010
Sixracer:

When you are an MBA grad, does your undergrad GPA no longer become relevant/get asked for?

Yes and no, depends on the amount of work experience before the MBA. If you have tons of work experience and a great MBA gpa, then it would be pretty insignificant. If he had no prior experience before the MBA and you went directly into it from ugrad then it poses more important. Only my opinion though.

May 20, 2010

Also, would just like to note that I'm a junior applying to IB SA positions.

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-Mark Cuban

May 20, 2010

i'd probably just say "GPA: xx/4.0" for your overall GPA and not write a major GPA until you've gotten more classes under your belt.
1. if they ask for your transcript, and on the off chance the interviewer actually reads it, they could ask you about it.
2. they also might ask you what your favorite class is from your major, and if you're an econ major and you've only taken micro and macro 101, you'll look stupid. same things goes for finance and whatever else.

May 20, 2010

Put both if it's just 1-2 classes. Under relevant coursework, put the major classes you have taken AND the ones you will be taking next semester.

May 20, 2010

Definitely put a major gpa on your resume if it's significantly better than your overall gpa, no matter what was taken into account calculating it.

May 20, 2010

sounds interesting

May 20, 2010

if you declared a math major, it's fine if you write that.

May 20, 2010

I would say but down both but putting your major gpa alone could be misleading.

May 20, 2010

I just asked a similar question recently. Consensus seemed to include major GPA regardless of classes taken. I would definitely include your overall cumulative GPA as well, though.

"Money is a scoreboard where you can rank how you're doing against other people."
-Mark Cuban

May 20, 2010

Include both, only cumulative, or neither. Indicating just your major GPA is misleading because they do not know what classes go into your major when looking at a transcript.

May 20, 2010

Thanks for the help. Somewhat related question, but is it OK to include cumulative GPA, concentration GPA, and SAT score on the same line, or is that too stuffy and should they be separated (e.g. both GPA's on one line, and one line below for just SAT)?

I know I'm being anal about formatting, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

May 20, 2010

I dont think theres any problem with all of the GPA's on same line, that's what I do as well. I would think that a new line for SAT would be best.

"Money is a scoreboard where you can rank how you're doing against other people."
-Mark Cuban

May 20, 2010

I think you have to list both tbh. Not that you have too, but they are smart enough to figure out that you are trying to hide something if you only list the major GPA, since if it was as good or better than cumulative you would naturally list it.

Since it's above a 3.0, I would just list it. You can't change what has already happened.

May 20, 2010
CountryUnderdog:

I think you have to list both tbh. Not that you have too, but they are smart enough to figure out that you are trying to hide something if you only list the major GPA, since if it was as good or better than cumulative you would naturally list it.

Since it's above a 3.0, I would just list it. You can't change what has already happened.

Yep. If your major GPA is 3.3 and you don't even list your cumulative I'm going to automatically assume the worst.

May 20, 2010

Honestly I would just put down whatever is higher because you can just say that is how you calculated your major gpa

May 20, 2010

you need to ask an advisor. That way, if anyone questions it, you can always point to them. At my college, we needed like 8-10 classes in total for our major. By the time I graduated, I had taken like 15 classes that qualified as being part of my major...out of the 15, I took the 8-10 classes that gave me the highest major gpa and listed it. I went to an advisor, had her fill out some form with those 8-10 classes and had her sign it in case anyone asks.

May 20, 2010
Planetbeing:

By the time I graduated, I had taken like 15 classes that qualified as being part of my major...out of the 15, I took the 8-10 classes that gave me the highest major gpa and listed it. I went to an advisor, had her fill out some form with those 8-10 classes and had her sign it in case anyone asks.

That makes no sense at all

May 20, 2010

The easiest way to do this is to only include classes that have your major pre-fix on them. Typically, schools title their courses as ECON101, FIN203, ACCY104. Just go with all of the ones with your major on them...if it's more complicated than that, then do as was mentioned above and ask your academic advisor.

May 20, 2010

School said I needed to take 10 finance classes for my major. I took more than 10 and counted the 10 in which I got the highest grades in to calculate my major gpa.

Dishonest maybe, cheating no as I followed the rules.

May 20, 2010
Planetbeing:

School said I needed to take 10 finance classes for my major. I took more than 10 and counted the 10 in which I got the highest grades in to calculate my major gpa.

Dishonest maybe, cheating no as I followed the rules.

That's like saying I need to take 100 credits to graduate, I took 150 credits, I'm going to count 100 credits and say that's my undergraduate GPA. I'm not gonna argue with you, like I said nobody cares about major GPA anyway.

May 20, 2010

At my school, we could look at our unofficial transcript. Our Major GPA was printed there, so ask your advisor if you have this option. My school only calculated major GPA as the average of all upper division courses within my major.

May 20, 2010

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May 20, 2010

Looks academic over private sector / IBD. I think you need more under professional experience-- or really build up that you worked your way up over the course of several yrs to the title of GM.

You have tons of language experience (keep Swahili), which is key. Try to build up the work experience tab (maybe club university stuff) and network .. = golden

May 20, 2010

Put your major GPA on there if it's higher than overall GPA.

Change French (professional working knowledge) to French (advanced)

Swahili, that's awesome.

May 20, 2010

Thanks for the responses so far guys.
I've made the changes that I could.

Please keep them coming and focus on the work experience part.

May 20, 2010

btw i don't speak swahili, it was just as an example lol.

I do speak a few more languages though that are more widespread.

May 20, 2010

Network hard, and it can be overcome, depending on the firm.

May 20, 2010

Yeah I have been I just want to make sure if I send it to them they aren't going to be like, Oh wait your cumulative is under 3.5 sorry try next year. I guess I really just wanted to know if there are cases of it happening

May 20, 2010

State on your resume a Major GPA of 3.5. Omit the cumulative. Just make sure that your school actually computes a Major GPA and has it defined.

May 20, 2010

@illiniprogrammer This is really acceptable to drop the cumulative? I have been putting XXX School of Business GPA: 3.5/4.0 do you think I should use that or my actual major GPA, or both?

May 20, 2010

.... you know it's supposed to be

May 20, 2010

....

"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets."

-John D. Rockefeller

May 20, 2010

I think you're better off creating a line item:

"Favorite class GPA: 4.0"

in which you put the classes that you did the best in. 4.0 looks better than 3.9 after all and it essentially accomplishes the same thing.

May 20, 2010

Hilarious.

May 20, 2010

Just to add, I'm well into my Rhetoric major; about half-way done. I added Economics as a major last semester so I'm not quite into it yet. My cumulative GPA is relatively low because I didn't do so well in my gen ed classes (intro chem and bio killed me :/).

Anyways, since some of the sophomore programs in investment banking i'm applying to allow all majors to apply could I just list my major gpa and cumulative right after; and somewhere in my resume and cover letter express that I have knowledge and course work in finance/econ?

May 20, 2010

If I see a resume focusing on the major GPA it seems like you are hiding your weakness at other subjects like math or languages. Work hard and get good grades. It's pretty simple

May 20, 2010

A bulge bracket?

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May 20, 2010

Elite boutique, regional non-NY office

May 20, 2010

EBs & top MMs do not do background checks, I think.

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May 20, 2010

Not concerned so much about the background check, but about them raising a concern about not using the GPA immediately listed on the transcript and instead using the applicable Finance and Economics major GPA.

The contract says they are going to do a background check. To clarify, I specifically listed the GPA on my resume as "major GPA" and not cumulative. No intentions of being misleading.

May 20, 2010

This won't be an issue

May 20, 2010

You can calculate major GPA any way you want to and it should be fine, honestly.

May 20, 2010

this. even in interviews where they roasted me on my transcript, my major gpa calculation was never put in question.

May 20, 2010

Just make sure you can defend it if you are asked about it.

May 20, 2010

Bump.

May 20, 2010

Just choose the major that is more relevant for the job. If both are relevant then choose the major with the higher GPA

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