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Do Companies Ask for your Transcript to Check Your GPA?

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Do the HR of BB's check your college transcript to make sure you
aren't a liar?

Does anyone know of anyone who played this little game of gpa inflation
and actually got in the door, despite how its completely unethical and
a misrepresentation that may get found out?

Is It Okay to Lie About your GPA?

The answer to this question is no. You should never lie about your GPA as there is a significant chance that you will get caught and you will loose your opportunity to work on the Street - especially considering the fact that people at each bank have friends at all the others.

GGekko:

I'm sure they have their ways to find out if they want to (alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

User @gqbanker shared that you do need to provide your transcript:

gqbanker:

I don't know if it's different for summer internships, but the full-time offer letter says "On or before your start date, please bring an official copy of your college transcript."

That being said - there are some ways that you can manipulate your GPA is you are desperate.

afftar:
  1. If your major/concentration GPA is better, put it instead. The beauty is that no one really knows, aside from the school administration, what major GPA entails, which allows you to include/exclude grades from various classes. Obviously, you shouldn't go to far: as in, don't include History of Art in XIV century Japan into your Finance major GPA.
  2. Rounding off. 3.35001 is really 3.4, if you think about it.
  3. Including grades from summer classes/other colleges. Almost always justifiable.
  4. Other creative ideas. I had a crappy freshman year, so until my senior year I'd put something like "GPA after freshman year" on my resume. Obviously, I've got a question about it on every interview I had, but who cares, I got an internship.

But do know that if you put anything other than your actual cummulative GPA, they WILL ask you about it on an interview. Have a good excuse. Also, counterattack: if your grades have been going up, push that aggressively to demonstrate that you can learn from your mistakes.

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Comments (322)

Feb 17, 2007

Don't do it.

Feb 17, 2007

I've heard stories about people getting caught and being blacklisted. Just stay away from it. GPAs aren't the biggest criteria anyways.

Feb 17, 2007

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

Feb 17, 2007
Daniel T Bush:

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I am graduated and would never do this myself, the question was posed purely as a hypoethical. I already work in the energy sector and this more applies to a situation my friends and i discussed.

We just hypothesized that you could go to extremes to have a basically falsified transcript sent to whoever requested it and make it look legitimate. Of course, the time and effort to do this well would have been better spent studying during your undergraduate years, but this as a last resort.

For the record ,I think it would be pathetic to do such a thing.

Feb 18, 2007
Daniel T Bush:

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I did that without realizing it (using cum credits as opposed to my current college credits). Do BB's get angry if you leave off summer community college from your "List of Schools" on the application?

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Feb 17, 2007
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Daniel T Bush:

here are examples where tactical manipulation is feasible:
1. provided ur transcript doesnt list gpa as yales doesnt, you can jump it up .03 ex 3.1 to 3.4; no more
2. lets say you need a little boost. take classes at a community college this summer, get a 4.0 and average that into ur gpa at ur school. on ur CV write "cumulative gpa."

I did that without realizing it (using cum credits as opposed to my current college credits). Do BB's get angry if you leave off summer community college from your "List of Schools" on the application?

i dont no the answer to that. however, i can tell you: in the official yale CV handbook, it instructs you to only put down yale. putting down a previous college is only necassary if ur claiming ECs from that previous institution.

Sep 30, 2018

Do you think HR reps mostly look at transcripts for proof of majors? How would they not catch a difference like a 3.1 to a 3.4?

Feb 17, 2007

They can't check your transcripts w/o your permission, but I'm sure they have their ways if they want to(alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

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Feb 24, 2007
GGekko:

They can't check your transcripts w/o your permission, but I'm sure they have their ways if they want to(alums talk to deans). Your school might kick you out as well. Then the only financial advice you'll be providing is the synergies involved with super-sizing your happy meal.

I don't know if it's different for summer internships, but the full-time offer letter says "On or before your start date, please bring a an official copy of your college transcript." I doubt they want to see transcripts of the 2 courses you took at community college.

Feb 17, 2007

the examples i gave are legitimate. you cant just lie and put 3.6 when you have a 2.9, it is just not feasible. what i listed is feasible and actually number 2 is not unethical

Feb 17, 2007

thanks for the thoughts.

Feb 18, 2007
Daniel T Bush:

the examples i gave are legitimate. you cant just lie and put 3.6 when you have a 2.9, it is just not feasible. what i listed is feasible and actually number 2 is not unethical

They are not legitimate. Cheating is cheating. And by the way a GPA of 3.1 with an addition of 0.03 is 3.13 not 3.4

Feb 17, 2007
ExGSBanker:
Daniel T Bush:

the examples i gave are legitimate. you cant just lie and put 3.6 when you have a 2.9, it is just not feasible. what i listed is feasible and actually number 2 is not unethical

They are not legitimate. Cheating is cheating. And by the way a GPA of 3.1 with an addition of 0.03 is 3.13 not 3.4

.3, youre right.

Feb 17, 2007

the operative word to provide for the tactical manipulation is cumulative. you must write cumulative.

Feb 18, 2007
Daniel T Bush:

the operative word to provide for the tactical manipulation is cumulative. you must write cumulative.

Did you do this? What did HR say about it?

Feb 19, 2007

I did..should I remove it? In truth, it is cumulative..including xfer credits. I felt that if I were ever questioned, I would be able to offer a reasonable explanation.

Feb 19, 2007

I think it depends on a bank whether they check your transcript or not. Usually, if they need a transcript, they ask for it during the interview process and not after.

In any case, lying about GPA is a bad idea. It will backfire. Improving/hiding the real GPA on your resume, though, is a possibility. Here are the methods I used and/or heard other people were using:

  1. If your major/concentration GPA is better, put it instead. The beauty is that no one really knows, aside from the school administration, what major GPA entails, which allows you to include/exclude grades from various classes. Obviously, you shouldn't go to far: as in, don't include History of Art in XIV century Japan into your Finance major GPA.
  2. Rounding off. 3.35001 is really 3.4, if you think about it.
  3. Including grades from summer classes/other colleges. Almost always justifiable.
  4. Other creative ideas. I had a crappy freshman year, so until my senior year I'd put something like "GPA after freshman year" on my resume. Obviously, I've got a question about it on every interview I had, but who cares, I got an internship.

But do know that if you put anything other than your actual cummulative GPA, they WILL ask you about it on an interview. Have a good excuse. Also, counterattack: if your grades have been going up, push that aggressively to demonstrate that you can learn from your mistakes.

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Feb 17, 2007

What if you've already graduated? Will taking community courses post-graduation allow you to re-calculate your gpa in the ways you've already listed?

Would doing it post-graduation for mba reasons as well as lateral transfer be unethical???

My friend is in this situation, I'm trying to advise.

Feb 19, 2007

Okay, two things:

  1. Taking community college courses after graduation is kinda stretching it -- you did not earn those credits while in college. I'd go with putting your major GPA there, provided it's better.
  2. The whole idea is pretty ridiculous, if you look at it. "Taking community college classes -> faking GPA -> tring to get a chance for an interview -> first round -> Superday -> offer" has such a tiny statistical probability of success that only absolute desperation can provoke one into going there.
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Feb 17, 2007

i agree.

Feb 19, 2007

If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.

Feb 17, 2007
patents555:

If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.

you do not need to list the CC. if, however, you are claiming ECs from that CC, than a notation of the CC is required.

Feb 21, 2007
Daniel T Bush:
patents555:

If you are going to list a "cumulative GPA" that includes the grade you received from some crappy community college you had better list the community college on your resume/CV.

you do not need to list the CC. if, however, you are claiming ECs from that CC, than a notation of the CC is required.

What are ECs?

Feb 19, 2007

How is that not unethical? Let's assume that someone goes to a good university and gets a 3.0 and then takes some courses at a community college over the summer. You're telling me that it is ok to include the community college grades in a GPA calculation and list it as the university GPA on the resume/CV without even mentioning the community college?

If that isn't unethical, it certainly seems shady. Most universities that list GPAs on transcripts don't factor in the community college grades in the overall GPA.

Feb 17, 2007

yes. it is actually mandated per the yale CV handbook. One must write "cumulative gpa."

Feb 20, 2007

Chances are they wont do it.

Feb 17, 2007

who wont do what

Feb 18, 2007

I wanted to get some more opinions...

If an applicant combines both community college and 4-year university gpa before graduating and only listing the 4-year university, with the gpa clearly marked as "combined gpa", would HR rescind an offer after transcripts were checked?

Feb 17, 2007
mohae:

I wanted to get some more opinions...

If an applicant combines both community college and 4-year university gpa before graduating and only listing the 4-year university, with the gpa clearly marked as "combined gpa", would HR rescind an offer after transcripts were checked?

u neednt list the cc. just put the 4 yr. write gpa.

Feb 21, 2007

Some firms may outsource background checks. I haven't confirmed, but why take the risk...

Feb 17, 2007

GMAT 510
GPA 2.3
Spent two years in state jail (seriously--DWI)

My chances to crack into I-banking????

p.s. - Master of Finance from University of Cincinatti

Feb 23, 2007

I think Mr. Fastow added .03 to his cummulative GPA when he first graduated.
Take that as you will.

Feb 21, 2007

like a 3.67 to a 3.7?

Feb 26, 2007

If you transfer credit from other universities, like summer classes and even AP scores, to your main university, then it all gets included in your final official transcript and GPA calculation. Colleges generally will award a certain grade and credit for certain types of transfers, and it's not necessarily 1:1 (for example, they might not give you an A and 3 credits for a class at a community college, you might just get a pass). It even gets counted when your school calculates cum laude awards, etc. As long as all that stuff is officially there on your transcript, it's fair game. If your school doesn't include such things, well then I'd say you're out of luck.

Mar 3, 2007

I do know of a certain individual who faked his grades and is now working for a big bank and they love him as well...

they never asked for his final transcript....if they like you at the interview i think you are pretty much set..

besides, i dont see how they can access your transcript unless you bring it yourself..they can't call your school and order it on your behalf.

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Mar 3, 2007
maestro_3:

I do know of a certain individual who faked his grades and is now working for a big bank and they love him as well...

they never asked for his final transcript....if they like you at the interview i think you are pretty much set..

besides, i dont see how they can access your transcript unless you bring it yourself..they can't call your school and order it on your behalf.

sure.
bro, they all require grade verification. if you forge then youre kick out.

Mar 3, 2007

I repeat my point though...i do know of a certain individual that did fake it and get in

hes performing really well and the associates like him too

Mar 3, 2007

ur going to have to elaborate.
was he caught when he submitted his transcript?
how much did he up his gpa?

Mar 3, 2007

ive heard 3.2 to 3.4 is fine. but more than that and ur fired

Mar 3, 2007

do a search and you find a poor bloke who got fired after 9 months becausehe lied.

Mar 3, 2007

the guy above clearly wanted to no if he could lie

Mar 15, 2007

could you fake your graduation date?

Mar 16, 2007

It's hit and miss, most places are able to do it, but some don't. The guy at merrills forgot what school I had gone to, but some guys had FBI style background checks. It depends, and is risky.

Mar 16, 2007

Ratul, what is an "FBI style background check", and which banks do this?

Jul 1, 2012

From my experience the majority do not. I received analyst offers and only 1 of the 3 BB did request an official copy.

Neither did 2 of the Big 4 (only applied at 2).

I know you would never consider doing it, and were just curious but - You probably don't want to begin your career on the foundations of unethical and illegal actions...

Or maybe you do, but you could end up like Scott Thompson!

Oct 22, 2015

Don't lie about GPA. In the end it isn't the deciding factor and if discovered you'll ruin your chances.

Oct 22, 2015

Many ask for a copy of your unofficial transcript when you submit your Cl and resume. From the top of my head I know JPM, MS, and GS do this. Can't remember if any other BB asks for a copy. I'm sure most do.

Oct 22, 2015

Most will ask for it, and they'll do a random check of those to see if they're real.

Someone on one of these boards posted something about getting busted for this...

Oct 22, 2015

essentially the question boils down to: if I'm not smart enough, or am too lazy, can I cheat my way in?

I can see some people really fight dirty to get these positions, it just makes it that much harder to break in.

Oct 22, 2015

Citi asked for unofficial transcript last year for Sales and Trading

Oct 22, 2015

Lehman requires you to submit a copy of your official transcript to HR on your first day of work.

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  •  Oct 22, 2015

I lied on my transcript when asked to produce one for my summer internship at a BB firm in NY - upgraded my GPA from an actual 3.1 to 3.4 (what I said on my resume).

HR found out, I feigned regret, and that was that - they expressed disappointment, but I kept my job!

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Feb 19, 2007

Lying about your GPA is a really shitty thing to do. Not only is it unethical, but you also screwed someone else over who would have had the job but for your lie. You may have kept your summer internship, but do you really a legitimate chance of securing a full-time job there?

  •  Oct 22, 2015

it may be shitty and immoral and you might have screwed someone else but by getting your ass in the door, you increased your shot at a fulltime job by tenfold assuming you dont jack up your chance. the difference b/t a 3.1 and 3.4 gpa is probably more a result of laziness than a marked difference in intelligence

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  •  Oct 22, 2015

its just as indefensible and disgraceful to tolerate and defend such behavior than to do it. you should be ashamed.

  •  Oct 22, 2015

Is this a joke? I find it extremely difficult to believe that a big prestigious BB firm wouldn't fire someone who blatently lied about their GPA on a resume. Several years ago I heard about someone doing the same thing when applying to law firms. A law student added a full point onto his GPA and managed to secure a summer associate position at a big prestigious law firm. However, the firm became suspicious when reviewing his subpar work product and called over to the summer associate's law school. When they found out he lied they fired him immediately and wrote a letter to the state Bar, thereby ensuring that he won't be able to gain admittance into the state Bar.

Lying on resumes/trasncripts is just not worth the risk. You may end up getting ahead initially, but the chances of someone finding out and sidetracking or ending your career is just not worth it.

  •  Oct 22, 2015

In a career in finance, there's gonna be so many chances to lie about something bigger than gpa. Don't start now! I'm telling you. I know a guy who lied on his gpa at my school, his classmates found out, and to this day, no one refers him for any jobs, contacts, etc... You can be an asshole to a certain extent in banking, but not integrity, that puts someone else's career on the line. If I found out you bumped your gpa by any significant amount, I would never hire you and make sure anyone asking for my advice on you would do the same.

Oct 22, 2015

i agree. not worth lying.

Oct 22, 2015

Liars are like bananas. Soft, squishy, easy to peel apart and eat them alive.

Oct 22, 2015

anyone else?

Oct 22, 2015

I wasnt asked for anything and that was lucky because I hadnt been entirely truthful.

  •  Oct 22, 2015

usually just an unofficial one that you can print out for yourself. the decision is yours...

  •  Oct 22, 2015

Lehman asks for it

Oct 22, 2015

yes they do, an unoffical one though

Oct 22, 2015

Kinda of scary that all these boards are filled with people blanting lying about the most importent part of their resume. Is this adverse selection on these blogs or are like 20% of applicants doing it?

Oct 22, 2015

my guess is that it's more adverse selection. the liars feel compelled to respond and chime in to try and justify their reprehensible (and pathetic) behavior. hey liars, ever heard of earning it? you will keep lying about other things in your life and related to your job and you will get caught.

...reminds me of the lyrics to this song: "if you don't lie you don't have to remember what you told her." have fun remembering what you lied about, and have fun trying to convince yourself that "everyone does it". (or even " a lot of people do it") because the truth is most people don't lie.

  •  Oct 22, 2015

Wow, you put 3.4 when it was a 3.1?

How far do you think we can push it and still get away with it? I wouldn't add more than 0.2 onto mine to be safe.

Oct 22, 2015

I wouldn't be surprised if lying happens a lot. I don't do it, but I know a lot of people that do because they figure GPA is only used to get your foot in the door. Once in an interview, everyone is supposed to be equal, right?

I think it's BS, but thats what they say.

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Oct 22, 2015

This is what happens (at a top bulge), assuming you come from a target:
1. They gather the resumes collected on your schools resume submission site
2. You post an unoffical trascript on the site, this entails self reporting all your grades
3. They find the people they want to interview, typically those with 3.0+ and some work/EC experience
4. They interview you once, twice, three times
5. If you last, you are hired
6. Some on the first day, others long before, you bring in an offical transcipt
7. The offical is sent to HR
8. HR will compare offical with what you put on your resume
9. If they are roughtly the same, i.e., +/- .1, thats it
10. If there is a discrepancy, you are fired

Oct 22, 2015

Yeah, you definitely can't get away with lying on your unofficial, in my opinion. The HR girls WILL check that stuff.

Oct 22, 2015

they should really make it more known, WAAAY too many people lie on their resumes thinking they can get away with it. Hell just look at that guy who changed all his grades to 4.0. If they made it knowledgeble prior to applying that all transcripts will be scrutinized, they'd a) be able to weed out a lot more people b) give honest people a better chance.

Oct 22, 2015

Isn't that part of the standard background check anyways? Don't they go over every little detail about your application?

Oct 22, 2015

To be honest, sometimes yes and sometimes no.

Oct 22, 2015

Oh yeah, nobody ever said it was fair. I don't think I believe that anybody ever really gets a fair chance. It always seems to be unfairly good or unfairly bad.

Oct 22, 2015

yeah I know its not fair, life isn't fair, thats why you have to actively pursue the things you want, instead of waiting for it to fall in your lap.

Oct 22, 2015

Exactly. And if unfairness keeps you out, don't let it get to you. Find another way to get what you want.

Oct 22, 2015

exactly, this is why its good that Investment Banks are recruiting so early, because this way if you don't get a job in IB, there is plenty of time to find something else, and then you can always try again after you get your MBA.

But hey, I'm an optimist, so I can always see the good side of things...so if I don't get an IB position, I'll just look at it as getting 2 years of 9 to 5, instead of 2 years of 8 till 2.

So I win either way hehe.

Oct 22, 2015

shut the fuck up andrew. you're a faggot.

Oct 22, 2015

I thought his point was valid and on-topic.

Oct 22, 2015

They should've just done well is school so they wouldn't have to lie to make themselves attractive. Is there any sort of blacklist among wall street firms of people who have been fired because of lying on resumes ? Seems like lying will get you caught and then you have to explain yourself at future interviews, probably fruitlessly

Oct 22, 2015

zala still at it? I took the liberty to read thru the investment banking forum threads at vault for the past year all 4000 threads, and you are just as big of a douchebag on there, as you are here.

Some things I picked up from there.
a) you talk a lot of shit
b) you claim to be some hotshot target school student, yet you never proved it
c) you pass off wrong information that you picked up from someone else, and claim it as your own.

A person like you is nothing special, there are dozens like that on each forum. Usually they are very young, have nothign going for them in real life, so they come on the forums and try to pass themselves off as experts, just to get some respect from other people.

So I'm going to take a few guesses about you, a) your gpa is probably in the 3.0 range b) you are a social retard c) you faint when a woman touches you, even from a hand shake d) you are probably not from a target school like you claim to be, I'm not going to say community college, but probably 3rd tier College, that noone even heard of on Wall Street. e) you are either a skinny guy who hasn't lifted 1 weight in his life, or a fattie that hasn't seen his toes since the 6th grade.

E-thugs like you don't bother me at all, its actually quiet amusing to me, so you should probably stop trying to get a rise out of me.

But hey you can always call me a faggot, to make yourself feel better.

Oct 22, 2015

hokie search for the word "fired", on this forum, exactly the situation you described.

Oct 22, 2015

if I know my ethugs...and I think I do, Zala will spew off something along the lines off: "yo yo yo, I have hundreds for friends, I have sex with super models every day, I drive a 760il, I can bench press 1000 pounds, and my dick is 12 feet long", with either posting googled/myspace pictures or not posting any "proof" at all

Oct 22, 2015

Andrew - Thanks for the lead on that post...exactly what I was looking for. Sucks for that guy

Oct 22, 2015

sometimes they dont check though. i do know people who outright lied about work experience on their resumes. i also know those who got 3.0s and morphed em into 3.5s. sometimes they get caught, sometimes they dont. its not worth the risk though. think about it, lets assume you get hired. you buy a bunch of suits/shirts/ties and you get an apartment. you prolly drop 10k on that shit. all of a sudden your 22/23 and unemployed with an apartment in nyc. honesty is the best.

Oct 22, 2015

"c) you pass off wrong information that you picked up from someone else, and claim it as your own."

if i'm gonna bring up secondhand information that isn't really mine, i always start off with "i heard that...." or "supposedly,...."

"E-thugs like you don't bother me at all, its actually quiet amusing to me"

is that why you went on a three-paragraph rant?

Oct 22, 2015

wasn't really a rant, not like i resorted to profanity while foaming at the mouth

Oct 22, 2015

"wasn't really a rant, not like i resorted to profanity while foaming at the mouth"

haha, good job sport. when i pointed out that you embarked on a 3-paragraph rant (you also added another post about me right after that one), you responded with a single sentence to try to show me how little you care. that's not gonna fool anyone.

Oct 22, 2015

k

Oct 22, 2015

This whole resume scrutiny thing seems to be the case with the top US Bulge i-banks, but how about the "lesser" regional banks or ones in Canada.
Anyone have any experience with the top 5 CDN i-banks? ie. RBC, TD, Scotia, CIBC, BMO?
Do they keep official transcripts on file as well?

Oct 22, 2015

carson: yes - what makes you think canadian banks don't do the same checks??!! that's slightly naive. I know admin staff at canadian banks who've been fired for massaging the truth on their cv

Oct 22, 2015

the checks are bullshit though

Oct 22, 2015

in what way are they bullshit dan?

Oct 22, 2015

livingthedream:

you're telling me admin staff have been fired for fudging their CV's for retail banking jobs??!!
you're kidding, right? who the f*ck would really care for an admin job?!

and yeah, in what way are they bullshit?

Oct 22, 2015

most ivys dont list a gpa on the transcript. they compare the gpa listed on the res with the gpa on the trascript. i worket in hr my soph year of college. we simply held them both up together. if they were roughly the same that was it.

Oct 22, 2015

err...when did i EVER mention RETAIL banking???

I mean that in my shop we expect a certain standard and yes, if she's lied about whatever admnin exams she's taken then she's gone. simple, surely?

Oct 22, 2015

What if your gpa is rounded up .3 pts to the nearest tenth on your resume but your transcript has all the correct grades? Do you catch alot of flak? If so I should not have taken my friends advice.

Oct 22, 2015

You can't round up .3 to the nearest tenth, because .3 is three-tenths. I think you probably meant 0.03. I wouldn't ding somebody for reporting a 3.7 when they actually had a 3.67... but I would ding somebody for reporting a 3.7 when they actually had a 3.4.

Oct 22, 2015

If you feel fuzzy about what you're reporting, chances are you will get dinged. Use common sense.

Oct 22, 2015

Mis Ind good detective work. My bad. I didn't feel fuzzy at the time, especially since on some online aps you could only select your GPA to the nearest tenth.

Oct 22, 2015

On a related note:

Do Banks/Employers check SAT scores? Are they even still listed anywhere?

Mar 16, 2007

My unofficial transcript has my SATs, but my official one does not. At least at my school, unofficial and official transcripts do not look the same.

Oct 22, 2015

think about it like this...

can your parents just call the uni up to verify results, NO.

you make a request to the uni to send it to the firm, they verify the shit out of it to make sure you aren't a lying dumb idiot who they should fire.

Oct 22, 2015

i think they get official transcript from your school since you sign the waiver....

Oct 22, 2015

bryan and noob are saying the same thing...they get your official transcript

Oct 22, 2015

some firms ask for transcripts before you interview, others wait until after you get the offer - really depends on the firm

Oct 22, 2015

The firm has to have your permission before accessing transcript, right?

In that case, they'll probably ask you after initial interview screening since it would greatly increase the paperwork they'd have to look at. Or maybe even after firm. Probably varies like IBAnalyst says.

Mar 3, 2007

I think when you return your signed employment contract (which comes with your offer letter), they ask you to provide official certifications of your qualification, which means you are to provide your transcript after you receive an offer.

Of course, if you lied in the resume, i wouldn't be surprised if they pull back on offer.

Oct 22, 2015

I got asked for my transcript after superday prior to decisions being made.

Oct 22, 2015

Some of the firms asked for transcripts at the application stage, some didn't. But even so, I don't know how much they really read them at that point.

Oct 22, 2015
dvd56x:

Does anyone know for sure? If they don't see the transcript, people can take easy classes to boost their gpa.

I think it was 50/50 in transcript before/after offer. HR/outsourcing firm does not discern between easy & hard classes. So yes, a lot of people will take easy classes to boost up their GPAs. Although bankers will not look at the transcript class by class and look at the grading curves, we're all more impressed with a 3.2 Quantum Physics major versus a 3.8 MRS degree.

Oct 22, 2015

So I hear lying on your resume is bad....

Oct 22, 2015

Never lie. It could come back to bite you.

Oct 22, 2015

They usually ask for resume first and after you get offer they ask for the transcript.

Oct 22, 2015

Depends. Lehman asked me for after I had submitted my resume and after the first round of interviews but well before anyone was offered a job. Some I've seen ask to attach an unofficial copy with your resume & cover letter. Others haven't said a thing about it.

Oct 22, 2015

It really depends on the bank. There is no right answer to this question.

Oct 22, 2015

most do. and for FT they ALL do- even if you get FT from your SA. This has been asked by alot of people who wanted to fudge their grades. (check wsoasis history)

If you didn't lie/cheat everywhere- go with the place you didn't lie/cheat. You'll be a dumbass fool when they catch you. :(

Oct 22, 2015

of course they will eventually ask for an official transcript.
you think you're the only one who thought about lying?
cheating piece ofshit

Oct 22, 2015

Not all banks do it for SA, but if you join full-time after the summer, assume that they will require it.

Oct 22, 2015

I bring my transcript with me anyways...they check to make sure you are actually the major you claim you are, that your GPA is good, etc.

Why wouldn't they? They are paying you 14-16K for the summer, they'd be dumb if they didn't check their purchase.

Oct 22, 2015

Actually, for neither full-time or summer did I have to submit an official transcript. All they asked for was certification that I had graduated. Of course, I signed dozens of sheets of paper authorizing them to do pretty much whatever they wanted. So, they very well could've asked for one from the university with it, but I never sent them anything.

However, if you lied on your resume, pretty much assume they will find out.

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A lot of firms won't ask for transcripts, but they require a release to access your academic records, and will hire a risk assessment company to run a background check, which includes verifying your academic records. But please, lie. I would love to have one more scumbag blackballed on the street.

Oct 22, 2015

Uh, yeah, I wonder where you're going with the official transcript bit. Better hurry up and get that 3-tenths rounding error off your resume and call around to beg for forgiveness. Then kiss your ass goodbye.

Oct 22, 2015
Oct 22, 2015

No it's a terrible question. One that's been answered a thousand times. They won't give a sh*t and neither do we.

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Oct 22, 2015

lol, if you put 3.8 on your resume, and your gpa is 3.75 they honestly don't give a shit, i doubt they would even bother if u had a 3.7 and put a 3.8...but either way never lie...not worth the consequences.

Oct 22, 2015

so you lied. hopefully the HR isn't going to be a b!tch and call you out for that.

Oct 22, 2015

so the next time, I should just put down that I majored in Social Sciences? I shouldn't even mention Econ at all?

Oct 22, 2015

I don't think that counts as a lie

Oct 22, 2015

Do comapanies really care about your major? I mean I have met guys who work for some big firm and they majored in stuff like government, IR and history. Granted these were guys who graduated from top 20 schools, but does the major really count that much in the hiring process?

Oct 22, 2015

I know so many people at my school who say "Emphasis in Finance and Accounting" (that's the concentration for 99% of the students), but they haven't even taken any finance/accounting electives yet. Sure, they probably plan to, but still. I guess if they know their technicals, it doesn't even matter.

Oct 22, 2015

Its a lie but I don't think you'll get dinged for it.

Oct 22, 2015

if your transcript doesn't say that you are an econ MAJOR then it's a lie. you can have an emphasis in anything you want but they can easily find out what you are majoring in by asking you for a copy of your transcript.

Oct 22, 2015

just state whatever your major is and put "specialize in economics". your major isn't going to matter as much as being truthful. it's not worth the risk.

Oct 22, 2015

just put exactly what's on your transcript

if HR really wanted to they could terminate any contract w/you before you have a chance to explain

Oct 22, 2015

Up until what point of your career, would employer care about your GPA and request a copy of your college transcript?
Say, you graduated 5 years ago, worked in other industries (both finance related and non-related), and it's going to be your first Ibanking job. Would employer still ask for your college GPA and demand to see your transcript?

Oct 22, 2015

nah. i dont think so. like, im a finance major, but it doesn't say so on my transcript b/c im not really "allowed" to declare major until the beginning on my junior year.

Oct 22, 2015

Ling~

Ling~

Oct 22, 2015

bump

Oct 22, 2015

Banks usually ask for your transcript prior to your internship. I think GPA is irrelevant in deciding who to give out return offers.

Oct 22, 2015

Get the transcript and send it in. If there were no grade requirements and you didn't lie on your resume they most likely will not reneg on your offer. They just need it to prove you graduated that's about it. Congrats on the job in this market.

I fulfilled my requirements of advice and reassurances now for the snide comment. Dude stop being a fucking pussy

Oct 22, 2015

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Oct 22, 2015

A low GPA is not the end all. A high GMAT plus good story will sometimes negate a low GPA. Good luck buddy and again congrats on the offer!

Oct 22, 2015

I love your SN.

Oct 22, 2015

free on nights and weekends...with no discernible skills...

;)

Oct 22, 2015

I don't think this'll hurt you this time, but I'd chalk this up as "not lying, but not telling the whole truth", which is still dishonest. Learn from this going forward.

Oct 22, 2015

I think you'll be fine. If they read your resume which doesn't have a GPA on it I don't think they're expecting you to have a 3.8 that you just randomly forgot to include. I'm sure they expect it to be pretty low (although you could still surprise them). I'm curious though, how did you end up landing an interview/getting the offer w/o listing your GPA on your resume. I can't imagine they would take that over all the 3.8+s applying without a damn good reason. Are you Michael Porter's son, triple majored at Harvard, and are applying to Monitor Group?

Oct 22, 2015

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Oct 22, 2015

3.4 at MIT is not that bad, is it?

Oct 22, 2015

dude you have a 3.4 from MIT and you are worried they will rescind your offer?? is this a joke?

Oct 22, 2015

Dude, when you said your GPA sucked I thought you meant sub 3 at least, probably closer to 2.5. You have a 3.4 from MIT and you're worried HR will freak on you? Jesus christ dude, from your story you're evidently a normal dude, but seriously, you consider that shockingly low?

Oct 22, 2015

yeah, dude, chill out w/ that gpa... it's still decent. from the way you had phrased it i thought you got a 2.7

Oct 22, 2015

hahahahahahaha this is now a classic thread
wonderful - MIT - arguably the best school in the country... 3.4

i'm gonna go crack another one to that. Dude chill out, you will be fine - you goddamn genious, you write it like you got a 2.3 a 'nova...

CLASSIC

Oct 22, 2015

this site scares me every day

Oct 22, 2015

The OP sounds like the coolest person to ever step foot on MIT campus. Hilarious. Good laugh I needed that.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

Oct 22, 2015

Where does it say he has a 3.4? The fact that his GPA is out of 5 makes it pretty clear that he is at MIT, however he said that he pulled a 4.5/5 in his LAST two years. Am I missing something?

Oct 22, 2015

yeah, but if it's out of 5, i guess our comments have to be partially tuned down.. but still

Oct 22, 2015

I think that a transcript request is not much to worry about, especially since you already have the offer. They might just be forwarding the information on to a 3rd party fact-checking company to make sure you went to the college and secondary school listed on your resume.

Oct 22, 2015

3.4 out of 5 is equivalent to 3.4/5*4=2.7 out of 4. 2.7 is not a good GPA.

Everyone who bashed the OP deserves to be bashed themselves; for not being able to connect the dots. Unless ofcourse you didn't read the entire thread, but then you would have had no right to bash the OP in the first place.

To answer the OP - dude don't worry they will not rescind your offer, I am sure that you are competent to do the job, and if you get the job done then it is a matter of fitting in (sounds like you are doing well in this category).

Oct 22, 2015

Ouch yeah, should've connected the dots and realized it was 3.4/5... still, I don't think they'll rescind the offer

Oct 22, 2015

Always transcripts for BB's.

Oct 22, 2015

why, do you plan to lie about scores/gpa? never a good idea.

if it's no good, don't put it on your resume (sat scores, can't really help gpa). if they ask, tell them the truth. don't mean to sound self-righteous but there's this little thing called ethics.

Oct 22, 2015

oh if it isn't the guy who lied about his SAT scores and is new asking the exact same question, again.

don't worry man, they don't ask for that stuff. considering that you have no gain from telling them the truth now, why bother? take it from an expert ;)

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Oct 22, 2015

The practice puts me on edge for some reason. I have nothing to hide, but don't like to feeling of have to 'look over my shoulder' if I round my GPA up. What if someone has a problem with that? I don't want this to be an ethical issue, just one of facts so I can know what to expect.
So do they request SAT scores? Official / unofficial transcripts?

Oct 22, 2015

MS didnt ask for my transcript so i guess some banks don't ask for them.

Oct 22, 2015

My bank asked for SAT scores in the application and school transcripts with the returned offer letter.

Oct 22, 2015

The banks I interviewed with didn't ask for official transcripts. I guess each bank has a different policy

Oct 22, 2015

Below 1500/1600, you're fucking retarded.

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Oct 22, 2015

sir bankalot is a king

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Oct 22, 2015

I highly doubt you got anywhere close to 1400 with that, by and far, beyond any doubt whatsoever, atrocious grammar. So no... literally, though, unless you won't a not bigger retard. Leagues ahead. (insert random run-on sentence here)

Oct 22, 2015

Transcript will likely be checked. I've never heard of anyone asking for an official SAT score from the CollegeBoard though.