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Dating as an Investment Banking Analyst

Could someone with experience please comment on the dating life as an analyst? Especially those who started work already with a girlfriend.

Having a Relationship While In Investment Banking

As an analyst at an investment bank, it is well known that you will work hectic hours that can range between 70-100 a week. That being said, our users shared that when it comes to having a relationship while working in banking, it is important to communicate realistic expectations about your work life to your significant other.

monkeyman2010:

It's all about what kind of relationship you have. If you can give him/her realistic expectations and if she/he can live with those standards, shouldn't be a problem.

Our users shared that it is realistic to plan to speak with your significant other 10 - 20 minutes on the phone a day and go out once a week (but sometimes will have to cancel last minute.)

User @CaptK, a private equity partner, shared that while these are realistic expectations - they can be difficult to adhere to:

CaptK - Private Equity Partner:

This is all accurate, but it sounds a lot easier than it actually is in practice. The trouble is that those 10-20 minutes a day are going to be at weird times, and most of the time you'd rather be sleeping.

Plus, if you are able to manage one night a week going out, you're going to want to spend it at least a couple times a month with friends or other analysts from work. There's only so much free time, and you need to spread it around in order to maintain relationships (girlfriend and friendships).

User @ideating shared how one friend maintained a successful relationship:

ideating:

I had a banker buddy who did it really well during his 2-year stint. At least once a week, he'd have his girl come to his office and they'd grab dinner somewhere nearby and quickly catch up on things. He also frequently sent her flowers (once a month) or buy her little things; nothing extravagant, just enough to show he listened to her. Those gestures take less than 2 min. but go a long way. The other thing he did was make sure she got along really well with us (his friends); most nights we went out with him, she would be there but it wasn't annoying because she really fit in well with us (would act like a wingwoman, do shots, etc.)

User @KB24TD21, an investment banking analyst, shared detailed personal experience about both herself and her boyfriend who are both in the industry:

KB24TD21 - Investment Banking Analyst:

My bf is in the industry and it can sometimes be brutal and it can kill a relationship without a foundation but its about understanding and knowing the other person well. You just have to make sure that each of you understands what's going on and what is expected. And that you make the most of the time that is available.

So its keeping contact during the day, its calling when you can, its doing things for the other person. If I could I would grab his dry cleaning while doing mine or he would stop by my office area for a quick lunch.

Everything is made easier in my relationship because my bf is friends with my girlfriends and I'm friends with his guys. So he can knock out 2 stones by having me around with his guys. Or he can be around when I'm with my girls. It's hard but doable

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Comments (640)

Jan 3, 2010

Manage your gf's expectations now...she basically has to realize you have no control over your schedule, and has to be opportunistic to see you when time opens up...

Jan 3, 2010

^agree with eiffeltowered, it's all about what kind of relationship you have and what kind of girl she is. if you can give her realistic expectations and if she can live with those standards, shouldn't be a problem.

Jan 3, 2010

I understand everyone is different and manages time differently, but could you give a ballpark example of realistic expectations..
ex: talking to her on the phone for 10-20 minutes a day, being able to go out once a week, not being able to control if you have to cancel a date last minute..

I imagine this is what it would be like.. any insight on if this is accurate?

Jan 3, 2010
The Rainmaker:

I understand everyone is different and manages time differently, but could you give a ballpark example of realistic expectations..
ex: talking to her on the phone for 10-20 minutes a day, being able to go out once a week, not being able to control if you have to cancel a date last minute..

I imagine this is what it would be like.. any insight on if this is accurate?

This is all accurate, but it sounds a lot easier than it actually is in practice. The trouble is that those 10-20 minutes a day are going to be at weird times, and most of the time you'd rather be sleeping. And most of the things happening in your life will revolve around work, so sometimes it can be tough for her to relate. Plus, if you are able to manage one night a week going out, you're going to want to spend it at least a couple times a month with friends or other analysts from work - you've got to stay sane and keep up friendships at work so you don't become the guy that never hangs out. There's only so much free time, and you need to spread it around in order to maintain relationships (girlfriend and friendships).

Not saying it's impossible, but it just takes a special kind of girl to handle it, and frankly a certain type of guy to make that phone call after 2 all nighters and act interested. I've seen several people make it, but I've also seen a lot more than several break up.

Jan 3, 2010

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Jan 3, 2010

I had a banker buddy who did it really well during his 2-year stint. At least once a week, he'd have his girl come to his office and they'd grab dinner somewhere nearby and quickly catch up on things. He also frequently sent her flowers (once a month) or buy her little things; nothing extravagant, just enough to show he listened to her. Those gestures take < 2 min. but go a long way. The other thing he did was make sure she got along really well with us (his friends); most nights we went out with him, she would be there but it wasn't annoying because she really fit in well with us (would act like a wingwoman, do shots, etc.)

He stretched it out like this till his 2nd year, got his PE offer and then basically was able to have a more "normal" social life (i.e. sunday brunch and then hang out, able to keep dates/birthdays, etc.)

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Jan 4, 2010

My brother is in IB. He broke up with his gf when he was an analyst.
He said he met her twice in a year. They got back together when he was in MBA. He knew associate life was not going to be much different, and asked her to marry him b4 he went for associate.
He now works in HK as a 2nd year associate.
His wife lives in Boston but is planning on moving to HK this year :-)

Jan 4, 2010

I'll throw my input in, my bf is in the industry and I won't sugercoat by saying its easy - it can sometimes be brutal and it can kill a relationship without a foundation but its about understanding and knowing the other person well. It's easier in that I'm also trying to do banking so I understand what he has to go through. But you just have to make sure that each of you understands whats going on and what is expected. And that you make the most of the time that is available.

It's funny I didn't really understand how difficult it is till I summered this past year and I saw firsthand how hard it is to balance - when I get back at 2 I'm not calling anyone I'm sleeping. So its keeping contact during the day, its calling when you can, its doing things for the other person. If I could I would grab his dry cleaning while doing mine or he would stop by my office area for a quick lunch.

Have to agree with ideating, the girl has to be friends with you friends. Everything is made easier in my relationship because my bf is friends with my girlfriends and I'm friends with his guys. So he can knock out 2 stones by having me around with his guys. Or he can be around when I'm with my girls. It's hard but doable

Jan 4, 2010

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Jan 4, 2010

What if it's a long distance relationship?

Does anyone have experience/anecdotes regarding being in a long distance relationship as an analyst? I'm a girl considering a 2-year analyst stint, but my SO will be in the U.S. I know it will be really difficult.... We have been together for 2 years as students and plan to be together in the long term, so it would be a pity not to give LDR a try. Any tips?

Jan 4, 2010
cl0ser:

What if it's a long distance relationship?

Does anyone have experience/anecdotes regarding being in a long distance relationship as an analyst? I'm a girl considering a 2-year analyst stint, but my SO will be in the U.S. I know it will be really difficult.... We have been together for 2 years as students and plan to be together in the long term, so it would be a pity not to give LDR a try. Any tips?

You can always give a try, but you will fail most likely. There are always successful stories, but the odds is certainly not optimistic and convincing.

Jan 4, 2010
cl0ser:

What if it's a long distance relationship?

Does anyone have experience/anecdotes regarding being in a long distance relationship as an analyst? I'm a girl considering a 2-year analyst stint, but my SO will be in the U.S. I know it will be really difficult.... We have been together for 2 years as students and plan to be together in the long term, so it would be a pity not to give LDR a try. Any tips?

I was fortunate enough to pull off a successful 2-years of long distance as an analyst. While I'd like to claim that I was the perfect boyfriend, the truth is it's really up to the non-banker person to make it work. As an analyst, you'll be incredibly busy and generally unavailable all the time. You're always tired, you sometimes miss holidays, and you can't plan more than a few hours in advance. On the upside, you won't be the one dealing with sitting at home by yourself and you won't be the one stood up.

Basically, he needs to have a ton of patience. My girlfriend would get on a plane and visit me about once a month. Often times she would just sit in the office with me for the weekend, and we'd do dinner out on Saturday night. Sometimes we got very unlucky and it was basically airport to office back to airport. Obviously I did my best to get as much done in advance as possible, but sometimes this just doesn't work. Given you will be in different countries, I highly recommend you use skype to video chat to at least feel like you're in the same room. Sometimes my girlfriend and I would sit on the phone while we run errands or set up skype and watch TV.

Overall, if you don't go into it with a very strong foundation, odds are you two won't last. The first 3 - 6 months are the hardest, and that's when 90% of the breakups happened in my analyst class. Just try to have patience with each other and recognize that things will improve ridiculously after the two years are up.

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Jan 3, 2010
CompBanker:

Sometimes my girlfriend and I would sit on the phone while we run errands or set up skype and watch TV.

Seriously?

Feb 2, 2010
CompBanker:
cl0ser:

What if it's a long distance relationship?

Does anyone have experience/anecdotes regarding being in a long distance relationship as an analyst? I'm a girl considering a 2-year analyst stint, but my SO will be in the U.S. I know it will be really difficult.... We have been together for 2 years as students and plan to be together in the long term, so it would be a pity not to give LDR a try. Any tips?

I was fortunate enough to pull off a successful 2-years of long distance as an analyst. While I'd like to claim that I was the perfect boyfriend, the truth is it's really up to the non-banker person to make it work. As an analyst, you'll be incredibly busy and generally unavailable all the time. You're always tired, you sometimes miss holidays, and you can't plan more than a few hours in advance. On the upside, you won't be the one dealing with sitting at home by yourself and you won't be the one stood up.

Basically, he needs to have a ton of patience. My girlfriend would get on a plane and visit me about once a month. Often times she would just sit in the office with me for the weekend, and we'd do dinner out on Saturday night. Sometimes we got very unlucky and it was basically airport to office back to airport. Obviously I did my best to get as much done in advance as possible, but sometimes this just doesn't work. Given you will be in different countries, I highly recommend you use skype to video chat to at least feel like you're in the same room. Sometimes my girlfriend and I would sit on the phone while we run errands or set up skype and watch TV.

Overall, if you don't go into it with a very strong foundation, odds are you two won't last. The first 3 - 6 months are the hardest, and that's when 90% of the breakups happened in my analyst class. Just try to have patience with each other and recognize that things will improve ridiculously after the two years are up.

There's hope, man. Not only did CompBanker pull off a successful LDR, so did JWOWW on Jersey Shore.

Jan 4, 2010

thoughts for one person on trading hours, the other on IBD hours--long distance? how does that work?

Jan 5, 2010

I started dating a girl a few months ago as a first year. It's pretty brutal, and like someone said, it depends entirely on the non banker in the relationship.

You don't have control over your life really - your Associate->MD does, and the significant other needs to understand that. This girl couldn't understand at first why I had to be on my blackberry all the time.

It's still pretty rough, and while I don' think of myself as a prick too often, it's easy to let it slide and basically be a terrible boyfriend. Don't expect it to last if you don't put some effort into it, because while you dont have much control over your time, the other person isn't going to put up with nothing for very long.

Jan 5, 2010

It seems to me that Analysts are expected to take any abuse/work regardless of the situation. If you're in a relationship and your girlfriend comes to town once a month, can't you just tell your boss (associate/VP/etc.) that you'd like to spend one evening with her? Or are you expected to keep it to yourself and do all your work as your normally would? I guess I just don't get how it is, being that I haven't started working yet. Can someone explain why it has to be that way?

Jan 5, 2010

They cut the checks. Any time you spend doing something other than working could potentially cost them business and they sure as hell aren't going to leave any money on the table so you can spend time with your "puppy love". Its your relationship or their wallet .... and I'm pretty sure their wallet has homefield advantage.

All that being said, I've heard of analysts covering for each other every once in a while and even higher ups being okay with you leaving early for a special dinner - I guess it all depends on your group.

Feb 2, 2010

one of my friends is starting with a BB this summer and he told me that he's breaking up with his gf as soon as he moves to the city lol thats the best way to solve the time/relationship commitments during your first couple of years as an analyst

Feb 2, 2010

Below are some of my opinions (some reiterations of what others posted and some new). Some caveats: I work at a middle market bank, so my relationships with my superiors might be a tad more collegial than analyst-officer relationships at BB places and my hours are probably better (although they're certainly not amazing); I did the long-distance thing before college, so I was used to not seeing my girlfriend much during the week.

  1. Managing expectations is the most important part. Certainly the person not in banking needs to understand the volatility in your schedule and the demands on your time and energy. It's just as important, though, for the banker to manage his expectations. It's tough in the beginning to know what you can and can't do, so the best attitude to adopt is "make soft plans, but rarely commit to anything definite." Otherwise, you end up scrambling on Friday night to finish something just so you can make dinner plans. Thing is, a lot of times you cancel anyways, disappointing yourself along with your date / friends. Also, a lot of mistakes happen when someone's scrambling to get something done.
  2. I second the "you both have to be friends with each other's friends" argument. I'm not saying you all have to be best friends (although that's ideal), but you should be comfortable knowing that, every now and then, everyone will be just fine if your significant other is with your friends without you.
  3. Show that you care about the relationship. If you suddenly realize you'll have the night off, surprise your girlfriend and take her out to dinner. I know she's not physically logging the hours, but odds are, she's losing a part of her social life to accomodate your hours. She deserves to know you appreciate the effort.
  4. Don't assume you can't take a night off to hang out with your significant other, especially if it's for a special occassion. This will likely be my most controversial point, but a lot of times, projects aren't as urgent as you think they are, and your boss(es) are more understanding than you think they are. Don't ask outright if you can have time off, but ask for timing on deliverables and feel them out on their response. If it's Friday, and they say they want to see something on Sunday, take some time between Friday and Sunday to do something with your significant other (that being said, make sure you do part of the work immediately in case they demand it sooner). Time it so you talk to them when they're in a good mood, because they're more likely to be understanding if they're happy. Also, target a more junior senior calling officer (VP, etc.); don't ask your group head if you can take a Friday night off. Some major caveats here: if you're on a big live deal or on multiple large pitches, this probably isn't as relevant. Your personal relationship with the calling officer matters immensely. Don't try this the first few months on the job when you're still building sweat equity.
  5. Offer to cover for other analysts, and they'll be more likely to do the same for you. Being able to forward another analyst an email with the line "Can you please help me out on this? I'll owe you one." without feeling guilty about it is a huge advantage. Just make sure they know it's a two-way street; otherwise, they might resent you for it.
  6. Try to separate your work and your relationship. Most of your time might be spent at the office, but that doesn't mean you should spend the rest of your time talking about your time in the office. More likely than not, your significant other wants to talk with you about things other than investment banking.
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Feb 2, 2010

that sounds like a tough situation man...she should know and understand how busy you are for sure

Feb 2, 2010

Id say 80% of girls dating banking analysts cheat on their boyfriends with guys like me - well i guess not guys like me anymore since my gf doesnt let me hook up with other girls. She is so fcking controlling, God.

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Jun 9, 2010

I have been dating my boyfriend for about 2 years. Granted we had some problems beforehand but overall, my advice is run.

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Dec 29, 2010

Has anyone had a successful experience taking a 'break' from their girlfriend for their analyst years and then getting back together afterwards?

Do things REALLY improve drastically once you move to buyside? I mean, at least initially, I've heard the hours as just as awful. I need to manage expectations so I don't disappoint her after 2 years of making her wait.

Jan 4, 2010

I did long distance for two years while I was an analyst, which can be similar to a break in some ways. Once I moved to the buyside, my hours were nearly cut in half. While I wouldn't recommend taking a break if you really are interested in staying together, I could definitely see how moving to the buyside could rekindle a relationship that broke apart due to the hours/stress of the IB job.

May 30, 2011

bump. About to start as an SA and gf is growing distant after I told her about the hours. LDR as well. Banking sucks.

May 31, 2011

Not starting IB (yet) and don't have a girlfriend --but this has been one great post. Keep it up everyone!

One question I had maybe someone can address: What if the girlfriend also has a demanding work job? (i.e. jobs like Big 4 audit, mgmt consulting 60-80 hrs) while the guy is a BB IB Analyst. What's the best way to go about a situation in which both parties work extremely demanding jobs?

Jun 9, 2011

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May 31, 2011

I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but it's not fun. I did long distance during the analyst stint and was dating the girl in college. We broke up in the first 3-6 months but got back together after about a month apart. Made it to the end of my second year and it had to end. The distance wasn't too far - Boston to NY - but still a hurdle. When you get a free weekend for example, the last thing you'll want to do is hop on a train for a few hours. You're gonna want to go right out with your fellow analysts (or any of your other buddies who are available) and take advantage of your free time. When she visits, you're still going to want to hang with your buddies, re-hash the week, shoot the shit about work, watch sports, and do stuff you enjoy. It's important that you have similar interests and that she gets along with your friends as others have mentioned. The girl I was dating always wanted to do a bunch of things I wouldn't generally do on my own (e.g., museums) and she would generally want to turn it in early when we were out with my friends. Obviously led to a lot of conflict b/c I only wanted to do what I wanted to do with the little free time I had (sounds selfish, but you can't help it when you're working 80+ hours a week) and wanted to stay out as long as humanly possible b/c I valued my nights out.

She also wanted to talk for 15 minutes every night during the week. I understand wanting to stay in touch and hear one another's voice every day, but I just wanted to sleep when I got home and I wasn't really into the idea of taking a break from work and calling her from the office. I'm bad with the phone, but we emailed all the time at work. I felt like talking on the phone every day was redundant b/c we'd always have what felt like conversations via email and got what I felt were all the necessary updates from one another.

Other thing she needs to get used to is killing time in the office while you're working. There's nothing you can do about that. Hopefully she likes reading or can watch movies on an iPad or something b/c she'll be spending a lot of time there when she visits.

It's hard to explain to higher ups that your gf is in town. I never said anything. I'd just try to feel out the urgency of the request by asking what the timing was. If it was right away, the plans with the gf would get rescheduled. If the person sent the request Friday and said they need it by Monday morning, then you know you have some flexibility. I also never felt comfortable asking other analysts to cover for something significant. A lot of times they weren't close enough to the assignments to make that even possible.

In sum, I'd say it's up to the girl to be understanding and make it work. If she can tolerate being second fiddle to your job and hanging out with your buddies when you have free time, I'd say you can make it work.

Jun 9, 2011

It is extremely difficult, but it looks like you guys have the running start you will need. You had time to establish yourselves before diving into the career so that's definitely a plus. My only advice is to make sure you make time for each other. That means cooking dinner on a Saturday night when you can, running together, whatever it takes to make sure you have some kind of activity you both can be involved in. Even a few hours a week can go a long way. You are both lucky in that you will be able to understand and empathize with the other in a way people not in industry simply can't. Good luck to you, it definitely is not going to be an easy road.

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Jun 9, 2011

I know an Associate who has been in a serious relationship 3-4 years with another banker. He said it works because when one has to cancel the other understands completely. It's not like dating someone who works 9-5 and will never truly comprehend the sacrifices an Analyst / Associate must make. They worked relatively close to each other and when they could they'd grab lunch or dinner together.

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Jun 9, 2011

(+1) I have been dating another associate at another bank for a good stretch and 100% agree with this.

Being a banker is hard. Relationships will be difficult when your time is not your own. We both "get it" and understand that work gets in the way. However, we also make a point to make sure that the other person is the first person we reach out to if we have free time: going for drinks "after work" (whenever the hell that is) is OK.

Also, when we bitch and moan about work, we each understand what the other is complaining about, rather than just politely nodding our heads (like friends and family do). We also give each other good advice - say and ask things that people wouldn't appreciate or simply wouldn't understand.

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Jun 9, 2011

It is really really tough. The hardest thing is escaping work even when you are at home. It consumes such a large portion of your life, it always creeps back into conversations even on weekends. At least you will both be understanding of the tough + unpredictable schedule. Good luck!

Jun 9, 2011

I feel like it will be hard obviously due to the hours and all, but if anything, easier than if she wasn't in banking. It's not like she will have time to really worry about other things (just as you won't).

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Jun 9, 2011

This made me lol

Jun 9, 2011

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Jun 9, 2011

Just keep fucking and texting, you'll be fine

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Jun 9, 2011
Going Concern:

Just keep fucking and texting, you'll be fine

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Jun 9, 2011

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can you compile a list of top 5 nominees?

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Jun 9, 2011
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haha, he could be the frontrunner...

can you compile a list of top 5 nominees?

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Jun 9, 2011
AndyLouis:

haha, he could be the frontrunner...

can you compile a list of top 5 nominees?

i would say it's between @Going Concern and @Dingdong08 this year.

Jun 9, 2011

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Jun 9, 2011

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Jun 9, 2011

I know several guys in a similar situation and they try and grab dinner/coffee with their SO when possible, probably three times Monday-Thursday. Obviously it isn't ideal, but it's an option.

Jun 9, 2011

I personally would never date a girl working in finance. I've slept with a few before and for some reason or another we always end up talking about deals and EBITDA after sex, it feels really weird and I never end up calling them back.

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Jun 9, 2011

can't tell if your being serious..lol

Jun 9, 2011

I'm very serious. Don't start talking to me about gross margins of the consumer industry after sex or I won't ever call you again.

Jun 9, 2011

Hours are never a major issue in a relationship. The harder for you guys to take out the time to spend together, the more precious and efficient these hours will be.

Jun 9, 2011

I think it's all about dating somebody who understands what your job entails and why you are doing it. I've been dating my current girlfriend for a long time already so when I started working full time we already knew each other really well and all that good stuff. Helps that she wants to go to med school so she understands the whole idea of making sacrifices for your career. I think as long as you communicate well with whoever you're dating and take the extra time to hang out together it really makes things go more smoothly.

Like any relationship making sacrifices is necessary but especially as an analyst it's more important than ever. Sure going for a sit down dinner means I'll probably be in the office longer than I would have had I just gotten takeout, but taking the time to do small things like that together is crucial.

Something that's often overlooked in these conversations I think is working together with your fellow junior team members when it comes to relationships. I am lucky that in my group all the analysts/associates are in a relationship with somebody so if one person is going on a date or something then one of the other people will totally be down to cover for them, even if it's not their project if it's something like updating comps or printing books. Because we all know that the other guys will have our backs if we're ever the ones who are in the same position.

For what it's worth I know some people who actually met their SOs while they were in banking. It's definitely possible, you just have to figure out if a) you think a relationship is worth it and b) if the other person is worth it.

Jun 9, 2011

Remember when I was in IB as a single guy who tried the dating game..........oddly ended up meeting someone for a long term right before a deal crushed my life for a few months (She was frustrated at times to say the least). Dating can be done in IB but there has a understanding for all parties involved as to the time constraint that your job has on your life.

Jun 9, 2011

At this point in my life, any relationship I could get myself into would crater anyways, regardless of banking hours

Jun 9, 2011

I'm dating a girl who works in MBB - she cancels on me more than I do on her!

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