Fordham vs Baruch

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Hey everyone,

I,m about to graduate from a county college in NJ, and having a tough time deciding which school I should attend.

Basically I made an original thread asking about, Fordham, MSU (Montclair), and Rutgers Newark. Everyone said MSU and RU were horrible choices and career suicide lol.
So here's my question now Baruch or Fordham??

And obviously, money is an issue for me. So is Fordham worth it?
Please discuss, and provide some feedback.

Also I would apply to NYU an Columbia even if I ha the slimmest of chances. Here's so details:
Will be graduating with an associates in Econ. with a 3.7 GPA, and finance and economics club for one semester. I also played on the schools soccer team my freshman year.

I know it's not a lot, but I was lost until this year. I really didn't know what I wanted to do, and my GPA was bad. Since I got into Finance I've been getting all A's and I'm really motivated by it.

Thanks,
Guys

Comments (62)

Apr 6, 2012

Fordham. Rutgers Newark and MSU are career suicide.

Apr 6, 2012

I'd probably go with Fordham just because they're located in the city. Meaning you can get school-year internships and network a lot more easily. Plus Newark isn't even the flagship Rutgers campus, this should be an easy choice.

Apr 6, 2012

Transfer later anyway.

Apr 6, 2012

Baruch or NYU?

WSO Vice President, Data
@JustinDDuBois

Apr 6, 2012
Commuter:

Baruch or NYU?

Was thinking about these schools as well. Would Baruch be placed ahead of Fordham?

Apr 6, 2012

You're gonna have to network equally between them. Baruch may have a leg up in that it costs about $4

WSO Vice President, Data
@JustinDDuBois

Apr 6, 2012

Fordham among those three (although I loathe religious schools personally) or Montclair state if you could save money+transfer to NYU/Boston College/Georgetown type semi targets

Apr 6, 2012

Actually I take that back, NO Montclair state, go to community college to transfer (employers will consider Montclair state a community college anyway and so it would be uneeded expense)

Honestly just go to Fordham and enjoy your life :)

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Apr 6, 2012

Don't go to MSU. Rutgers has a few kids on the street. I remember seeing a group of Rutgers math majors going to a Morgan Stanley S+T event in the city. Front office will be incredibly difficult though, given your background, unless you have top grades. To stand out, get a 4.0 your first semester and email or talk to 2 people on the phone every day for your first semester. Target people in back office and middle office especially. Build a spreadsheet of contacts. The guy above said that Fordham is a good bet because it's close to the city. That may be true. Check Linkedin and look at how many alumni from each school are at each bank and in what roles. I'd network with alumni at F500 businesses too because banking/S+T/IM will be close to impossible right out of college.

Apr 6, 2012

Fordham, then network your ass off for midyear internships (for free even) ... I know lots of people in front office roles from Fordham, MC, Baruch to capitalize on this advantage.

Go to Rutgers if your penultimate goal is Non-Target -> STD's

Apr 9, 2012

Bump

Apr 9, 2012

Vdubben: Check Linkedin to see how many alums are from each.

Apr 9, 2012

Networking can over come almost any school you go to, but I think MSU is pushing that limit. I wouldn't recommend the Newark campus of Rutgers either, but at least at the end of the day it is still Rutgers and the campus shouldn't matter too much as long as you do your own networking and don't rely on campus recruiting

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

Apr 9, 2012

Thanks for all the responses, guys. So, basically everyone is saying a school in the city would be better. This leads me toward Fordham, and Baruch, from suggestions. Also, I would apply to NYU and Columbia, but don't know my chances of acceptance.

Will be graduating with an associates in Econ. with a 3.7 GPA, and finance and economics club for one semester. I also played on the schools soccer team my freshman year.

Apr 17, 2012

Rutgers-Newark is worse than the county college u just finished up at...plus there's a higher chance of getting shot.

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

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Apr 17, 2012
TonyPerkis:

Rutgers-Newark is worse than the county college u just finished up at...plus there's a higher chance of getting shot.

Haha thanks. So, what do you think (or any others) with my post above??

Apr 17, 2012
vdubben:
TonyPerkis:

Rutgers-Newark is worse than the county college u just finished up at...plus there's a higher chance of getting shot.

Haha thanks. So, what do you think (or any others) with my post above??

Fordham over the other two..hands down...MSU is for teaching..RU-NWK is for dealing..

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

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Apr 24, 2012

MSU is Michigan State University pal, everyone knows that

Eventus stultorum magister.

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Apr 24, 2012
Johnny Ringo:

MSU is Michigan State University pal, everyone knows that

not when you're from NJ dicklips...

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

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Apr 24, 2012

Who in their right mind is proud of being from New Jersey....

Eventus stultorum magister.

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Apr 24, 2012

Apply to NYU anyway. If you can write an awesome essay, you'd be surprise into some of the schools you can get into with an otherwise lackluster background.

Jul 19, 2012
vdubben:

Hey everyone,

I,m about to graduate from a county college in NJ, and having a tough time deciding which school I should attend.

Basically I made an original thread asking about, Fordham, MSU (Montclair), and Rutgers Newark. Everyone said MSU and RU were horrible choices and career suicide lol.
So here's my question now Baruch or Fordham??

And obviously, money is an issue for me. So is Fordham worth it?
Please discuss, and provide some feedback.

Also I would apply to NYU an Columbia even if I ha the slimmest of chances. Here's so details:
Will be graduating with an associates in Econ. with a 3.7 GPA, and finance and economics club for one semester. I also played on the schools soccer team my freshman year.

I know it's not a lot, but I was lost until this year. I really didn't know what I wanted to do, and my GPA was bad. Since I got into Finance I've been getting all A's and I'm really motivated by it.

Thanks,
Guys

So it has been a while, so did you decide which school you are going to go to?

I am planning to apply to Baruch for the Spring Semester of 2013 to their Accounting Program. I heard Baruch has one of the top accounting programs in the nation. Im going to have to find that article about Baruch's Accounting program and will post it when I find it.

Jay

Oct 18, 2012

Baruch College it is, sir!

Jan 20, 2013

is there some concrete evidence to say montclair is a career suicide? do you people who went to montclair or know it first hand?

Jan 20, 2013

Visit the two and see which one you like more, there roughly the same as far as rankings. I believe Baruch is cheaper though

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

Jan 20, 2013

As far as recruiting, are these school highly recruited by big banks?

Jan 20, 2013

As far as recruiting, are these school highly recruited by big banks?

Jan 20, 2013

Definitely not "highly" recruited as both are overshadowed by NYU Stern and Columbia, but being in NYC is a great place to begin. A quick Linkedin search for both schools show a good amount of investment bankers from both fordham and baruch in NYC

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

Jan 20, 2013

3.5+ and good networking I should be all right I assume.
Currently a mortgage banker and looking to get my mba and move to Investment banking.
I want to go to a well recruited school though.

Thank you for your help.

Jan 20, 2013

No a 3.5 is a bit low. You really need as high GPA as possible, probably a 3.7 or higher if your not in the macaulay honors program.

Jan 20, 2013

So is this for MBA or UG?

And yes 3.7+ if you want to be competitive. Keep in mind you will be competing with kids from Stern and Columbia and countless other target schools with 3.7's and above

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.

Jan 20, 2013

For MBA Baruch is probably better but it is more quantitative so might not be so good for IB as for research or trading.

BUT Fordham is a better school :))

Do what you want not what you can!

Jan 20, 2013

I currently go to Baruch and yes you want your GPA to be 3.7 and above. Believe me JPM, GS, CS, MS do recruit Baruch students into IB and S&T. Make sure you're just one of the few kids there that are serious and keep your grades up because there's a Wall Street career prep program at Baruch that is highly selective and offers intensive training and exclusive networking to guarantee you interviews for IB. I got into the program and will be starting this fall semester. Looking to go into S&T and being at Baruch, I'm a big fish in a small pool. That's the advantage you have at Baruch if you're smart to begin with. Be advised though, classes are boring and not challenging at all though so idk if classes at Fordham are something you're looking for.

Jan 20, 2013

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Jan 20, 2013

I went to Baruch and let me tell you, it will not be easy to get into Banking, but it is possible. I assume that since you're asking Baruch vs Fordham, you dont have the option of going to a top 20 school, but if you do forget about cost and go to a better school. An even better suggestion is to work hard your first year, get a 3.9 GPA and transfer to a top 20 school. Not only will you save money, but it will be infinitely easier to get on the street. I knew kids from Baruch with 3.9 GPA's, networked their asses off and still couldn't do better than Ops. That's just the way it is. Maybe 10-15 kids from the whole graduating class get into front office jobs, if that. When i chose Baruch, I was naive enough to think that hard work was enough but that aint true. I have a friend who went to a top 10 school, had a 2.5 GPA and he got 20 interviews. I had a 3.6 at Baruch and had to treat every interview like it was a gift from God. I worked realy hard, took a few CFA exam, and after alomst a year of networking, now work in Equity Research so a front office job is possible. But I wouldn't want to go through that amount of frustration and suffering again and would easily have gone into 100k in debt if given the chance to do it over. Good luck with whatever you choose. I don't mean to come off as bitter, I'mjust trying to help you out or at least let you know that you will have to work 10x as hard as someone that went to a top 20 school.

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Jan 20, 2013
bkruski:

I went to Baruch and let me tell you, it will not be easy to get into Banking, but it is possible. I assume that since you're asking Baruch vs Fordham, you dont have the option of going to a top 20 school, but if you do forget about cost and go to a better school. An even better suggestion is to work hard your first year, get a 3.9 GPA and transfer to a top 20 school. Not only will you save money, but it will be infinitely easier to get on the street. I knew kids from Baruch with 3.9 GPA's, networked their asses off and still couldn't do better than Ops. That's just the way it is. Maybe 10-15 kids from the whole graduating class get into front office jobs, if that. When i chose Baruch, I was naive enough to think that hard work was enough but that aint true. I have a friend who went to a top 10 school, had a 2.5 GPA and he got 20 interviews. I had a 3.6 at Baruch and had to treat every interview like it was a gift from God. I worked realy hard, took a few CFA exam, and after alomst a year of networking, now work in Equity Research so a front office job is possible. But I wouldn't want to go through that amount of frustration and suffering again and would easily have gone into 100k in debt if given the chance to do it over. Good luck with whatever you choose. I don't mean to come off as bitter, I'mjust trying to help you out or at least let you know that you will have to work 10x as hard as someone that went to a top 20 school.

The thing is that you HAVE to network if you don't go to a target school. You won't be spoon-fed OCR like target kids and online resume drops will outright overlook you if someone isn't going at bat for you. At Baruch you're in very close proximity to EVERYONE from rainmakers to new analysts/associates/whatever - you just need to put yourself out there. It's a million times easier to get the job done compared to UVA or semi-target Y.

Jan 20, 2013
bkruski:

I went to Baruch and let me tell you, it will not be easy to get into Banking, but it is possible. I assume that since you're asking Baruch vs Fordham, you dont have the option of going to a top 20 school, but if you do forget about cost and go to a better school. An even better suggestion is to work hard your first year, get a 3.9 GPA and transfer to a top 20 school. Not only will you save money, but it will be infinitely easier to get on the street. I knew kids from Baruch with 3.9 GPA's, networked their asses off and still couldn't do better than Ops. That's just the way it is. Maybe 10-15 kids from the whole graduating class get into front office jobs, if that. When i chose Baruch, I was naive enough to think that hard work was enough but that aint true. I have a friend who went to a top 10 school, had a 2.5 GPA and he got 20 interviews. I had a 3.6 at Baruch and had to treat every interview like it was a gift from God. I worked realy hard, took a few CFA exam, and after alomst a year of networking, now work in Equity Research so a front office job is possible. But I wouldn't want to go through that amount of frustration and suffering again and would easily have gone into 100k in debt if given the chance to do it over. Good luck with whatever you choose. I don't mean to come off as bitter, I'mjust trying to help you out or at least let you know that you will have to work 10x as hard as someone that went to a top 20 school.

I felt your pain for a while just trying to get a basic finance internship to even begin to build my resume as the job postings were mostly crappy accounting related internships...but with a lot of networking and persistence, I'm on the right track and breaking into S&T will be a lot easier at this point.

Jan 20, 2013

I am weigh my options.
I have a 3.3 undergrad and a 750 on my GMAT.
I will apply to NYU but still need a fall back plan.
So i was considering Fordham or Baruch

Jan 20, 2013

So I assuming that Fordham has better chance of getting on WStreet for S and T or IBD.

Jan 20, 2013

Is this for MBA or UG? I went to Fordham UG, I know plenty of kids in S&T and Banking. Its possible, but it requires some networking, good GPA, etc.

Jan 20, 2013

MBA

Jan 20, 2013

IDK about Baruch but Fordham is a good school but seems more Accounting and middle office focused. But another thought, you might want to check out Rutgers MBA in Newark, they have a HUGE Alumni base and they're cheap like Baruch and well known nationally

Jan 20, 2013

I would say Fordham because of the easier ability to network. Don't have much info on the two schools though. Good luck.

Edit: sorry I revived dead thread -- got lost and didn't notice date.

Jan 20, 2013

Def would say Baruch, which is more Accounting and Finance based......Fordham is known as a Marketing and Media school...not heavy finance related courses or alumni.

Jan 20, 2013

I would do Fordham over Baruch. Baruch sort of has a reputation as a joke on Wall Street.

Jan 20, 2013

Fordham, but honestly, the end game should be NYU or Columbia...If Baruch offered a big financial aid package, i would go there and then transfer.

Jan 20, 2013

You've laid out choices A and B, let's discuss choice C.

Jan 20, 2013

What is choice C?

Jan 20, 2013

Michigan is a better option if you can swing it, if you can't Indiana is also a better move than Fordham.

Jan 20, 2013

Bump

Jan 20, 2013

If you're looking for a strong recruiting and alumni base, don't bother with Baruch MBA. I can't speak for Fordham or Pace.

Jan 20, 2013

Neither. Don't go FT to a school of that caliber IMO. Neither are going to have "strong" recruiting or a "strong" alumni base from the MBA level.

If you put a gun to my head, Fordham, but again, I recommend neither.

Jan 20, 2013

I've always wondered if going to a non-target like Fordham owould work out better than going to a school that may be slightly better ranked, but in a place far from a financial center. Supposing that you wanted to work in NYC, couldn't you network those two years that you are in the city for your MBA and then land an offer through a connection?

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