Hey Millennials, why do you hate suits?

Saw a post on here about suits the other day. It got me thinking. And millennials- I have a gripe with you.

It is not because your generational culture is founded in Virtue Signaling.

Not because you are the champions of cancel culture. 

It's not because of your disregard for suits thinking that it is more stylish to dress down and wear athleisure- as if you're sticking it to the man. Or as if you wish you were some nerd that's never slayed cooch writing c++ from a bean bag chair in NoCal drinking a goat milk cortado.

It's not because when you dropped blockbuster in favor for Netflix.

or that you actually enjoyed the movie Avatar.

it's because you're all yellow bellies.

hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create millennials who create bad times.

where a suit you slobs 

Comments (116)

Dec 30, 2021 - 1:32am

Can we agree no ties?

What’s past is past and can’t be undone. It has led to the circumstances we now face. All we can do is recognize our circumstances for what they are and make the best decisions we can, “given the givens.” - Howard Marks

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Dec 30, 2021 - 1:46am

I do appreciate a tie, but it sucks wearing one while you work. Also girls think sans tie is sexy. 
A lot of tie hate can be fixed with a properly fitted shirt size, but it's still not the most comfortable.

Dec 30, 2021 - 2:01am

Ties restrict blood flow to brain by 7.5%

What’s past is past and can’t be undone. It has led to the circumstances we now face. All we can do is recognize our circumstances for what they are and make the best decisions we can, “given the givens.” - Howard Marks

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Controversial
Dec 30, 2021 - 11:22am

The culture nowadays just sucks balls. Guys look and dress like shit, widespread blatant hypergamy (not that I have anything against this, I'm part of the problem, a pussy you don't fuck today is a pussy you might not fuck tomorrow, but its different for dudes), people bitch and whine about trivial shit, every dumbass is virtual signalling, cancel culture, twitter, etc etc and don't get me started with the liberal socialist retards that run most of the western world. In fact, fuck democracy, there, I said it. Go read some Plato. And also this:

Dec 30, 2021 - 2:26pm

It likely stems from childhood. Pops would get home and more often than not the first thing to happen is the tie comes off with a great sigh of relief. Subconsciously this instills a belief in the child that dressing up is associated with unpleasant work. Which leads to where we're at now, a disdain for the tie, and ever more so, the suit. I'm similar age to yourself OP, I think suiting up is important when meeting with clients for the first time or for other important occasions and whatnot. Apart from that though, I don't think there is any benefit to dressing up in more restrictive and expensive clothing only for it to deteriorate and depreciate as time passes and styles change.  

Dec 31, 2021 - 1:44pm

So one's approach to suits depends because of his parent? Then your case subconciouslly instils a belief that his father is a looser because is obliged to do something which he does not enjoy. In my case, I could wear a suit 24/7 because the people whom I saw with suits were role models for me.

Jan 14, 2022 - 1:12pm

Times change, i generally agree.  
 

But you're buying the wrong suits and ties if they go out of style.  And if they stop fitting then stop eating like shit and have enough self respect to maintain your health and aesthetics.

  • Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
Dec 30, 2021 - 2:29pm

I love suits. They look great. However, wearing them for 14 hours in a cube, when you have nothing external scheduled, is silly. Button down / golf shirt with chinos is ideal - you're dressed up enough to get you into a workplace mindset, but the clothes aren't physically restrictive or uncomfortable in any way. 

Dec 30, 2021 - 6:16pm

"Where a suit you slobs"

Plz check spelling and grammar before submitting.

If you need to WEAR a suit to feel important then go for it. I don't need one to produce good work and stroke my ego on the subway.

Thx,

Millennial who despises suits

Dec 30, 2021 - 6:49pm

Business casual - lululemon or similar pants, if I'm sitting at a desk for 14+ hours a day there's no need to not be comfortable.

Without disclosing too much I'm in one of those groups that's in IB at some banks and CB in others.

I have a jacket at the office I put on for last minute client meetings, but honesty people don't care anymore about what you wear. If they are going to do business with you they want to like you as a person/group/bank and know that you can get something across the finish line for them.

Dec 30, 2021 - 7:28pm

Biased not based.

Dress code is really based (and should be) on the type of job you have - particularly how much trust is involved  and how people "perceive" your quality.

In finance and consulting, a suit makes sense (at least looking professional) because people partly judge you based on your image (at least first impression wise). If you look like you can wield some level of authority and "put-togethered-ness", then people are more likely to trust you. Wearing a suit or a business casual outfit helps creates this image of trustworthiness because people associate with more more outfit with professionalism. (This may change in the future)

Tech companies have a more relaxed dress code because 1) they don't have to see clients, 2) by nature it's a creative process where you want all your focus to be on the way you think and not how you look, and 3) The job doesn't require any image building because the quality of your work is immediately measured through weekly code reviews. Nothing else speaks for your work other than the code you write and how well you can describe technical concepts.

Alternatively, people who are in more "client facing" roles in tech - sales engineers, business intelligence, and some tech consulting roles - tend to be more formally dressed.

Dec 30, 2021 - 9:25pm

I love wearing suits - but the problem is that if you want to maximize comfort, you'll either start veering outside conservative dress-code (no problem these days) as far as cut and fabric goes, for example a completely natural / unstructured suit with light summer fabric, which basically feels like wearing a PJ...but alas, looks too soft, like you're about to take a stroll in Monaco.

Or you need to get a properly tailored suit, with decent fabric - which could get pretty expensive in the long run. 

I think most people that hate wearing suits, have probably been traumatized from shitty fabrics, poor patterns, shirts that don't breathe, too snug collars, etc. 

And they require more care and maintenance than your chinos and fleece vest combo. 

Dec 31, 2021 - 3:28am

1) they're expensive.

2) they hide your body. if you're a fatty, then suits will help you hide it. but if you are muscular, nobody will see it under a suit. athletic hoodie or tight t-shirt will look much better if you're muscular.

3) they look like shit. if you're muscular, the suit will always layer around your armpits when you raise your hands of try to reach something or try to gesticulate, because suits are not stretchy. if you want to avoid it, you'll have to buy a big suit which will look like a piano cover. also, the shirt always layers on top of your pants when you raise hands / try to reach something / gesticulate. 

4) they feel like shit. if you're muscular, every time your try to reach something or raise your hand, the suit will bump into your armpits and make you feel uncomfortable.

5) difficult to wash. I can throw a hoodie into a washer. with suits I have to take them to the dry cleaners and pay about the same as the cost of a new hoodie for each cleaning.

why do you like them?

Dec 31, 2021 - 4:02am

I constantly am either bulking or cutting. My body changes every couple of months. Tailoring makes no sense in that case.

Suits are really for people who don't work out.

Also tailoring can only do so much. Look at the Jay Cutler pics below. His suit is clearly tailored but it still just hides all his gains. He could be fat under the suit, and it would look about the same. However, look at him in a t-shirt - doesn't it look much better?

  • VP in PE - LBOs
Dec 31, 2021 - 3:44am

Been wearing suits most of my career.

Just had a nightmare the other day where colleagues and I were to go to a meeting. 5 minutes before the meeting, I was waiting for my team in the lobby. Guys show up last minute with the books so I tell them to let's go let's go. Pumped for this. Get into the elevator, saw in the reflection that I was unshaved, messy hair, in a T shirt, and for some bizzare reason holding my suits/gear in a suit cover. 30 seconds until door opens. Adrenalin rushes, blood pressure up, buttoning shirts and getting help zipping up suit pants, door about to open…

Then fucking wake up in cold sweat only to realize I've been holding a massive tank of piss. Crisis averted. No bladder explosion today. 

That was nerve wrecking. Subconsciously the suit is just part of my identity. Call it pathetic, judge me if you will, I don't care. Being prepared gives me the sanity to do my job. That fire drill nightmare was not good for my heart.
 

Obviously I don't wish this upon others. Just wanted to share another take on this topic. If you're used to a system and all of a sudden change from it (from suiting up everyday to WFH/post pandemic attire, whatever it means), it could add mental toll. At the very least it adds a layer of a decision to make vs. just showing up with the same attire everyday. Some welcomed the change to a dress code closer to their normal wear (perhaps younger generations), others didn't like the change to their ritualistic habit (say guys with some vintage). I think what we need is to realize we all come with differing perspective on this and to the extent you get any directions from your firm, it simplifies your decisions. My personal preference is always to suit up just to err on the side of caution. 

Dec 31, 2021 - 10:09am

lol at thinking the average banker is like one of those guys...

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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jan 1, 2022 - 5:24am

Larry Wheels has a video on tailored suit which was funny and interesting

Dec 31, 2021 - 3:56am

however if you're fat, suit will hide it. so I understand that you might like suits if you're fat or skinny. suits also look good on skinny people. but if you're muscular, suits just hide the results of your hard work and make you look not much better than a fatty in the next cubicle.fat

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
Jan 1, 2022 - 1:25pm

These responses are actually hilarious. Mind blowing that you would prefer wearing stiff button ups vs. clothes that actually feel comfortable to wear while sitting for 8+ hours grinding a deck.

News flash, wearing a suit doesn't make you look like James Bond - 9 times out of 10 you just look like a dork. The true reason why suits are so popular is because it's a one-size-fits-all way of being "fashionable", that is, being able to wear essentially a uniform to look put together.

Tech CEOs, entrepreneurs, etc. have moved on from using suits as the low hanging fruit to show professionalism and have either 1) exercised visual expression with unique clothing or 2) don't give a shit because wearing suits as a form of self validation is quite candidly, a boomer mentality anchored in the boring rigidness of working in IB/PE for 20 years 80 hours of week.

Jan 2, 2022 - 1:28am

Guy in suit with ten other in hoodies. Guy in suit is the boss

Guy in hoodie and ten other in suits. Guy in hoodie is the boss.

Hey, wear want you want to wear. Of course, there are rules (if your career requires an uniform, protective gear, etc.) and perception (already mentioned at nauseam above); so you are better advised to be mindful of them.

In my view, A well tailored suit is always a classic to look sharp. However, to work from home, no client contact, etc. a chinos+shirt combo work perfect. Accordingly choice of shoes completes the outfit.

Good personal hygiene, grooming, right and decent accessories give the last polishing.

...and that's only the outer layer. An intelligent, well articulated, well mannered, principled and ethical professional; and we are starting to talk.

Jan 4, 2022 - 11:46am

hungaroe

In my view, A well tailored suit is always a classic to look sharp. However, to work from home, no client contact, etc. a chinos+shirt combo work perfect. Accordingly choice of shoes completes the outfit.

work from home, no client contact, etc. => sweatpants with a hole in them to tickle balls easier + hoodie with a mustard stain, not fucking chinos+shirt while at home and nobody sees you lol.

Jan 3, 2022 - 6:01pm

I think that appearing down to earth is something important to millennials, and the suit doesn't portray that very well.

Trading the suit for the vest, finance culture thought they bypassed the stereotype the finance suit brought. And maybe it worked for a minute.

However, it's purely an appearance, and the actual reality is all the same

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Gen
Jan 3, 2022 - 6:04pm

Men don't look as hot in work suits as they do in athleisure. I guess old dudes like it because it hides their beer belly better than a tighter shirt. Wearing suits is also one of those status things people hide behind to pretend like they are more useful to the company than they actually are. Millenials like to be measured on real value add and being pretentious (like wearing suits to work) is just cheugy these days. But old people will always complain as they are left behind

Jan 3, 2022 - 6:09pm

Suits last longer if you don't wear them as much

Ditto shoes

There is no need to suit up for a day of sitting behind a screen or for your commute, it's that simple. Anyone who feels the need has to be massively insecure.

Jan 3, 2022 - 6:42pm

Hi everyone as a young person in the realm of high finance I would like to give perspective.

1) I love wearing suits and still do on zoom calls

2) I believe like what the older generation really hates. Is the lack of ability to communicate and discuss ideas without feeling like they will be penalized (or cancelled) which I believe is an issue. An idea floating in our generation is that a lot of issues in society are caused by race. Imo it's actually caused by money, but if a lot of young people in a society believe it's caused by race and when older people don't, this disagreement is where all the name calling will begins(boomer, librard etc)

3) young people(millennials)also bring up some real issues. IF America is supposed to be the best country why did it take 40+ years for the government to raise wages to 15. IF America is supposed to be the best country why do we rank behind the developed nations in healthcare and education etc. IF America is supposed to be the best country why do less developed countries like uae have 4 day work weeks ? IF America is supposed to be the best country Why isn't the government allowed to negotiate with healthcare to negotiate lower prices? IF America is supposed to be the best country Why is college so expensive when less developed countries have free student tuition? IF America is supposed to be the best country Why did we spend over 2 trillion on Afghan war but for some reason can't fix social security ?

Young people want to strive and work to make America a better country like I'm sure all of you do.

LETS DISCUSS ??!

Jan 4, 2022 - 5:32am

I completely understand why people wouldn't want to wear a suit, but personally I feel to some extent it deteriorates the "meaning" of a suit if not every colleague wears one.

Regardless, I don't know how to convey this without sounding like I have a false sense of importance or that I'm overcompensating, but wearing a suit makes me feel better; it boosts my confidence. Anything that does that is a no-brainer for me, even if it means being just a bit more uncomfortable.

Jan 4, 2022 - 1:08pm

I can understand the suits aspect. Personally, I'm good with my slacks, nice button up shirt, dress shoes and matching belt, and toss in an overcoat or vest in the colder days. I'm just not a fan of having to wear suits everyday. I'll wear them for pitches or dinners or big parties or formal events, but that's about it.

I think the day of the suit as everyday attire are extinct. That being said, if you do dress up in a suit daily you'll standout in a good way and I absolutely respect that

I think I did this right

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  • VP in PE - LBOs
Jan 4, 2022 - 2:12pm

I intentionally do not wear a suit because I am good at what I do. I do not need a suit to be good at what I do. I leave that to those who are less confident in their skills. 

Jan 9, 2022 - 6:44am

I love suits but I believe in dressing for the occasion. If you're just working in the office with no outside-facing meetings planned, then there isn't any real need to wear a suit. Obviously dress appropriately with pants and a shirt when you're in, but yeah if you're just cranking then there's no need to wear a suit at all times.

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Jan 14, 2022 - 1:12am

Boomers used to lynch people for being gay,black or whatever yet we've got the cancel culture. Same boomer generation that outlawed drugs like weed, which has been found to help seizure and cancer patients, because they thought it made the crazy kids not want to go die in 'nam. Same boomers that literally had the FBI/CIA stalk regular citizens if they didn't like their opinion. Shutup boomer doomer. 

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