How to get blacklisted from Wall Street, UC Berkeley edition
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glad that people spoke up and he can no longer hide in the shadows. employment the least of his issues right now i think. anyone who victimized others like he is accused deserves to burn in hell.
The kid hit me up for an informational interview over the last few days, saw this before replying, holy shit...
Just make sure that's really the same guy
Shitty thing and hope justice gets served.
But "womxn"? Seriously...?
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it’s a rejection of cisgender woman. lmk how far it will go
Instead of asking someone's gender, just ask if they have XX or XY chromosomes.
Wtf is a "Cis-gender"?
I've heard of cis-fat and trans-fat. I know that trans-fat is bad for your health. Idk if the same holds for gender.
Anyone who unironically uses womxn likely has an IQ of 50.
Or has a degree in Gender Studies.
Relax
Check the spelling, wrong name
Yeah, that's a different spelling and not the right guy. Probably should remove the link if you can, so he isn't mixed up with this mess.
Edit: We had a bit of back and forth and the issue got fixed, I think it's okay.
I've calmed down
He very literally doesn't have the same name. The guy in the petition post has the last name Zhao and you went out of your way to link some other random guy with the name Zhou because you just don't know the difference between Asian people. It's Berkeley and San Francisco, most people understand the difference between those two names.
Appreciate the MS. I dropped the hyperlink so calm down bud. My mistake that I don't know or care about the differences in Asian surname spelling.
oh man youve done it now, HELLA butthurt asians inbound
Way to go dumbass, ruining it for all certified 3rd year RE analysts who wanna be anon
I am a defensive person, I calm now
Well if this shows us one thing, YOU BETTER GET THE FUCKING ASIAN LAST NAME RIGHT OR THE WHOLE GANG COMING FOR YOUR ASS! YELLOW POWER
When it comes to literal rape accusations - yes, you should make sure to accuse the right fucking guy. We're not being fucking white knights or SJWs, we literally just wanted the dude to take the wrong identity down in a rape thread.
Bet this guy puts #blm on his twitter bio and then comes in here discriminating against Asians
I support death sentence for rapists.
Also for people who rape the English language by using womxn. It makes the accusation a lot less credible.
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language is an evolving concept, particularly as people unlearn the shitty biases they’ve held. Why does the inclusion of trans women in language bother you?
It’s always the people who are ignorant that are bothered by inclusion and saying that it makes you “less credible” to use that word LOL.
What "shitty bias" is there in the word "women"? It's the same retardation that led people to fabricate the term "Latinx" when not only does it directly contradict the fundamental rules of the spanish language, but nobody in a spanish-speaking country would ever use or even recognize the term.
Why the fuck can't we just say women? WTF is this "womxn" BS. If you really wanna be specific just fucking say women and trans-women.
Agree, but something I don’t get is why did people speak up on social media and not take him in court? If there is truly rape and sexual harassment it should be in court not based on online petitions.
I believe that one of the fundamental legal right that is presumption of innocence is less and less respected with public ‘courts’ (Twitter etc) where justice is made before judgement is made.
I am in now way supporting that guy, but I am just raising issues with social media in the justice system in the 21st century
It's super hard and painful process to report. You have to go through so much shit to potentially be called a liar by the courts or have him be set free (Brock Turner style). If you look up stats, I think like 5/1000 rapists actuall go to jail out of 200 who are reported...
Crazy shit, I actually had a networking call with this dude a few months back
thoughts on him from the call, before this happened?
good thing it was a call. He might have tried to grind up on you otherwise
The guy's LinkedIn is first result on Google
disgusting, hope he's expelled
Not even that, he should straight up be in jail...
See my comment above
Not trying to defend this dude, but i'm glad we are still doing this whole innocent till proven guilty bit. If he did what he is accused of, he is the scum of the earth, and I hope he rots in jail, but nobody has filed any charges against this guy, and we don't even know if he did everything he is accused of. I'm not for ruining someone's life via mob rule because in the case that what is said is not true (probably not this one), it's just as fucked up. We have a system that presumes innocence for a reason.
This^^^
the fact that people automatically believe random screenshots is just appalling, what happened to evidence and investigations?
agree, Any testimonial no matter how powerful that isn’t backed up physical corroboration is utterly useless. Many times these “believable” accusations come from women who are jealous / wanting revenge to destroy an innocent man’s career. Brian Banks anyone?
Obviously, there will be an investigation but the first thing you say is that "people automatically believing random screenshots". bruhhh. there were like 20 people with similar stories and even receipts of him admitting to knowing that he didn't get consent.
I'm sorry you're so blind enough to not realize that is a pretty strong case.
Yeah, I'm sure all these girls are jealous of his summer internships... To call these stories "useless" is insane. Playing the devil's advocate on behalf of a rapist is cool though, keep it up.
What does the reference to UT Austin refer to?
UT kid networking email that was on a finmeme account
have mutual friends with him but don't know him personally - heard that he's lied about his internships before and has lied to get internships too. serious sociopathic tendencies
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why the petition? He's allegedly committed crimes, so why not go to the police?
If the reluctance to go to the police is because victims would need to come forward and testify, wouldn't that also be the case for a judicial hearing at Berkeley? Also, surely Berkeley doesn't have jurisdiction over incidents that happened prior to his time as a student there.
It was made by the first victim who came out so so it was mostly to draw attention in the beginning. Rape allegations are notoriously difficult to prosecute even with the writing is on the wall (e.g. Brock turner's joke of a sentence) so it doesn't surprise me that people are trying to get some form of 'street justice'
True, and it was probably a good move. I'd imagine it had some role in encouraging the other victims to speak out.
Street justice is the most unfair type of justice there is.
Say that now this rapist believe that the street justice from the 20 accusers has been too hard on him - and say that this is the public opinion too. Now would you support him going to kill all 20 of them? My point is that with street justice there is a very high likelihood of ever escalating street justice which is not healthy.
The principle of justice is that there is an independent view that makes the virtue ethics decision when it comes to the future of whoever is judged.
Imagine you are UC BERKELEY, then imagine 10.000 angry SJWs screaming at you on twitter and probably protesting on campus. You'd make sure you expel the kid ON THE SPOT and make a PRESS RELEASE about it.
Holy shit this kid's life is going to be over shortly, regardless if this is true or not.
I suggest everyone go on instagram and look at @_katiehui page and watch the "Nick Zhao" saved story. Like 30+ girls accusing him of shit and he has replies to his friends where he even mentions a girl said no, but he kept doing whatever he did.
Disgusting piece of shit if you ask me.
Damn it's up to 30 now? Crazy that it took 30+ victims for the truth to come out.
So the guy will probably go to jail if true and there's even an alleged victim saying on Twitter that he's an insecure & shy fuck who lasted 2 seconds in bed
damn I guess he's on the run and trying to flee to China at this point
stop it... no way
yup lmfao the guy's even trying to get a lawsuit started for defamation
Too many people are asking for the guy's head, he won't just get away with it by giving a few million $ to the victims. And if he's found guilty, he can easily get anything between 10 and 50 years of jailtime. At this point his career and life are fucked. If he's Chinese, like Chinese-speaking not just ethnically Chinese, he can only hope to flee there to avoid all of this
The racism and vitriol on this thread is actually disgusting.
I like to have fun every now and again but we are talking about someone who has scarred several women for life. This isn't the time for trolling or racism.
I go to berkeley and am in a sorority. this guy is legitimately scum. he uses his frat as “rape grounds”. I don’t drink but his strategy is to get girls drunk and then non consensual forcing himself on them. please please sign the petition. I am not comfortable revealing my identity but just a little bit of research will confirm the legitimacy of the sexual assault claims.
I’m so sorry you had to deal with someone like this. Hopefully he gets reprimanded seriously for this.
You're lying. Sorry.
I thought I saw on the girl's instagram that he was blacklisted from all frats...
thats probably why he was blacklisted. but try being crowd control at the middle of a frat party
I won’t sign the petition because I am against street/social justice, but I am all for a fundraising to take him to court and support the victims with lawyers.
[deleted prior post bc I could already tell the crazies were getting triggered. As I’ve learned from past posts, gotta be careful about pointing out facts, people lose their shit].
I would encourage people to actually read the accusations and draw their own conclusions. Unlike my stable of critics, I actually read them. Suffice it to say there’s some really bad behavior by the man accused, and also a lot of red flags that raise questions about exaggerations, accuracy and motives.
Not a defense of him at all. Read for yourself before talking, is my only advice.
Look up @_katiehui on Instagram and there’s a pinned story ‘NICK ZHAO’ with dozens of girls coming forward with their experiences.
Thanks and sorry for confusion, I figured it out.
underage is underage dude, no getting around THAT conundrum
also let's be real, if a guy gets all rapey and pulls his dick out at you, you'll probably be quite angry and go batshit crazy with the wording
So you think an 18 yo guy who fucks his 17 yo gf is a rapist? Ok. Don’t let TV and movies convince you that the law is applied that blindly.
I read your OG post and I was in total agreeance. Yes, shitty things have happened and we need to know facts, not DM's from random girls who appear to be writing DM's more than once.
But as evident all over this thread, the crazies have been triggered ever since that kid up top. Some of the accusations are questionable and again, seem very similarly written/described as previous accusations. Not excusing his behavior, but we need to learn more.
Guilty before innocent is the 2020 SJW way.
"Really bad behavior"
The guy raped minors, along with a couple dozen other women.
Not sure why you feel the need to play devil's advocate here - it adds nothing to the conversation.
There’s at least one other poster on this thread, besides me, who is failing to see the rape accusation. Enlighten us.
This'll definitely blow up in the media in a few days, I guarantee it. 30+ women???
Is it 30+? I'm asking honestly. I read through @_katiehui's post and it was several, but way less than that and IMHO there's a big difference between 30+ and 10 because there's powerful mob dynamics at play.
In fact even 30+, I'd still wonder about mob dynamics. I got a very accusatory and mildly threatening DM here on WSO for merely asking a few questions about it. Like as though I'm Nick's accomplice now. When people are this willing to join in arms and take sides and "us vs them" all I'm gonna say is read the actual stuff before jumping to conclusions.
I feel like if you had been raped, nothing had been done, then finally once it starts gaining traction / awareness you see someone posting the shit you are, you'd be pretty angry as well. I know it's hard to empathize with others big guy, but give it a shot, we believe in you
LOL. You’re embarrassing. Automatically jumping to defend someone before reading more into the issue.
Calling balls and strikes my dude.
The guy has issues and I wouldn’t hire someone with those issues.
But I actually read the statements and made those observations. If they’re wrong, feel free to say why. Don’t let your past anger toward me cloud your judgment.
You say you read the statements but in your original statement you wrote “the petition writes of rape but I don’t see any rape”. If you scrolled down in the petition there was an IG link to that info which I assumed you read by now.
You also said it seemed like “basically sounds like girls wanted something long term and he didn’t”. Umm did you read how he choked MULTIPLE girls at parties with tons of witnesses.
You also said the word “womxn” as a reason for discrediting the argument when there’s clearly such a strong case.
You also said “there seems to be a bit of an angry jilted feminist mob at play here”. I don’t even know where to start but are you serious? Yes, people are upset that he’s been doing it for years to so many many victims and people didn’t come forward until now because of the fear and that’s what you say.
It’s sad and ignorant that you deleted your post and said It’s because the “crazies were being triggered”.
I feel like this is very 2020 and guilty before innocent. YES I SAW WHAT OTHER GIRLS ARE SAYING AND I AM INCLINED TO BELIEVE THEM.
However, I watched that girl's instagram story and most don't specifically mention "rape" or "sexual assault". The man definitely was freaky and pushed things too far too many times, but I agree with Dr. Dicks in ass that there are some questions about the accuracy and exaggeration of these claims.
Not supporting what he supposedly did or what these girls are accusing him of, but there are red flags, even in that girls IG story about him. It also appears that several girls who shared their story, are doing so falsely. Some of those stories don't make sense, riddled with grammar errors, and write just like other stories that were submitted. I would not be surprised if some girls sent in multiple fake accounts just to pump the numbers against the kid.
Again, not supporting what he did WHATSOEVER, but we need more info than the "victims". And that's in quotes because we all really don't know shit here.
I can't believe what I'm reading, because it almost looks like there's someone besides me on WSO who thinks critically and has common sense. You mean we're supposed to actually get the facts and not jump to conclusions? Amazing.
We exist, doc. Even before your name change :)
See my answers above, but it looks like many of the finance hardos have never taken any introduction to law class or anything like it.
Social justice is not justice, presumption of innocence is a thing
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Delete your account
Why don't you? I'm free to share my opinion whenever and however I'd like. Just because I don't automatically believe the victims right away with 0 POLICE/DETECTIVE WORK, NOR KNOWING THE FULL STORY, doesn't make me a rapist supporter.
I thought the hallmark of our country's democratic and justice system was a presumption of innocence before being convicted by a jury of one's peers.
What court has convicted this guy?
There is literally a girl (linked in the petition) who said he got her in the back seat of his car when she was a minor, tried to force his hand in her pants despite her saying no and then tried to coerce her into sucking his d*ck. That's actually the definition of sexual assault and while he didn't actually rape her, it wasn't because he isn't a rapist; it's because she stopped him. There was another story where a girl told him to put a condom on and he wouldn't and still fucked her - that one actually is rape because she consented to protected sex not unprotected. Can we stop making this entire industry look horrible by defending fucking rapists? I'm all for innocent until proven guilty but there are so many stories that clearly aren't lies (one girl even said she has witnesses to his assaults) that he's pretty surely guilty.
He said to her "you won't get pregnant if you suck it". That's not attempted rape dude. Get real. You're also being totally unreasonable acting like it matters that she's a minor when all indications are that they're like a year apart. Most of the guys on this thread are rapists by that definition. Just being ridiculous.
No one here is defending him, all we are saying is that the judicial system needs to run its course and all we are truly doing is speculating.
None of us know shit except for Nick and the girls he was with. Did you read what I said? I am inclined to believe the women because the law of numbers simply works here. I also stated I don't support anything he did, so who exactly is supporting a "rapist"?
I admitted he did fucked up shit, but to 30+ women with 0 repercussions until now? That seems fishy, and the woke crew here are condemning him when in reality none of us know anything.
No wonder Berkeley is getting rid of their SAT requirements, it's clear the test didn't filter out poor grammar skills lol
Dudes been emailing a ton of bankers trying to recruit for 2021
Fact of the matter is this. Nicholas Zhao is done. Forever. Whether he was right or wrong, you google his name for the next 5-10 years and these incidents will appear. He's absolutely fucked.
Is that fair? Not entirely, but that's the world we live in now. Guilty until presumed innocent. Do I believe all of the girls? Most likely no, but do I believe he is a POS with women and pushed boundaries? Absolutely.
It also blows he's a fellow asian because he had a promising young career, and seemed like a good professional. If his parents are anything like mine, they've already begun the disowning process. Kidding of course, but a Palo Alto Chinese boy going to UCB shouldn't be in this situation.
That's probably one of the most reasonable approaches to this situation.
ehh, many asians who'll gladly get recruited in his place. it makes no sense recruiting someone who's morally fucked because he's just gonna climb up the ladder and do something even stupider in the future. world would be a better place with less scum.
Believe in second chances!
I do believe in innocent until proven guilty but it's extremely unlikely he wasn't doing something wrong when 30+ girls made serious accusations (he's a non-celebrity too). Girls just aren't out to accuse you of rape. Enough to judge in the court of public opinion imo.
True, most aren't. But we have seen this many times where they simply are to get some $$$. Not saying that's the case here, but women calling rape years after said incident to try and cash out is not new. Remember #MeToo?
Guy is scummy at the very least.
My concern is how easily this could happen to someone who wasn't scummy. It takes incredibly little for someone to turn a mob against you these days. The mob won't care what's true, and they'll make you an internet story no matter how innocent you might actually be.
Respectfully, I don't think guys can just take comfort that girls aren't out to accuse them. False rape accusations have happened. And with the ever-expanding definition of sexual assault (look how much shit Matt Damon got for saying groping and rape are two diff things), we're getting to a point where all someone has to do is accuse of you have being handsy and your life could be over.
true, however I think it's very telling that a bunch of random women came out to share experiences against a random guy.
It's definitely sus when it's the president elect, or some famous person, but honestly I think the idgaf internet mentality is underestimated. if it's one or two shaky accusations against a nobody, I think its harder than you think to create an internet mob
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I have heard of a similar case with an Indian guy interning at a BB in London. People working with him found out that he was judged for raping a girl back at oxbridge and ended up free of charge. Now some people are doubtful about even staffing/talking to him...
Dont know the case in much detail and if it was made up or not, but this seems pretty serious, he may not get the offer for such a thing or at least not in the group he is working at.
Something should be made to punish guilty people but also women making it up, for sure its not the same but this can lead to very bad outcomes for people that did nothing.
Not sure how I really feel about this girl, Katie Hui, single-handedly ruining his life. Yes, he tried to force her to perform fellatio and she refused. That should have been the end of her contact with him, but she responds to his texts later on while she's been drinking. What message does that send to Nick? That the incident in the car was actually not a big deal at all because she's still communicating with him. But to start a petition, bash him publicly, and call for his head is very extreme, even for Berkeley standards.
Second, all these screenshot IG stories have the name blurred out, for good reasons I'm sure, but it can't be out of the question that 3-5 girls, who most likely know Katie Hui, are trying to actively ruin his life. Too many of the accounts are written in the literal same way as many others. And her barking out like "see what you did Nick? We're gonna get you now!" seems a little vindictive.
Can you call Instagram stories evidence? Some of the reactions make UCB look really bad, but it is UCB after all. And what exactly will a petition do? Can't use that in court. What if the accusations are false? By the time an investigation uncovers anything, he'll have been screwed over by his company, school, and hated by thousands of people. So, Katie Hui has already accomplished her mission of ruining his life.
Have people forgotten that there needs to be actual, physical evidence of a crime committed? Not some Instagram posts and a petition. Yes, he very well may be a rapist and deserves to rot if these claims are true. I have no sympathy for that. But as far as I can tell, there is 0 legal evidence of the crimes he's accused of. So blindly asking for his head with no real backend reason is why people assert SJWs are ruining the world.
Edit: case and point was the Johhny Depp witch hunt, and countless other men in the same position because of vindictive women
Ruining his life? What about all the women's lives that can and are ruined because of sexual assault.
Look, there will be an investigation but when there's 20+ girls coming forward, that's a lot of people so even for just being guy that has no boundaries and is predatory, that's a MAJOR issue. What about all the girls that haven't gone public that have had worse things happen?
What about the lives of men that are falsely accused of rape and have their lives ruined that way?
"What about all the girls that haven't gone public that have had worse things happen?" Well, what about them? They should come forward or else nothing is going to happen, what do they honestly expect? I don't get the point of that question.
I look forward to the investigation and I think everyone loves to jump on the mob mentality bandwagon without knowing any facts. Which presumably is everyone on this board. No one thinks critically in these situations anymore.
you need to learn to seperate victim blaming from mob mentality frustrations. The latter is fine, the former is the definition of your first paragraph. “What message did she send by responding”... Jesus man shes 16, sexually assaulted, and you’re criticizing HER? Being upset over assuming guilt is fine, but your first paragraph is straight up pathetic. Do better, cmon.
Pathetic? Alright I don't see it that way. She was 16 and he was 17, why does age matter here? I'm not blaming her for speaking up, I'm taking issue with her waiting YEARS to talk about it, as well as continuing to speak with her assaulter after the fact. It is known knowledge you cease contact with your perpetrator if you are a victim of a crime.
The way I see it is that he assaulted her in his car. That should have been the last and final time they should have EVER communicated. Yet, he hits her up when they've both been drinking (stupid move on his part, but we know he's stupid) and she replies, creating conversation. How many assault victims continue contact with their assaulter, especially when you know they've been drinking? This isn't some SVU episode where all the victims are just battered women. She presumably knew what she was doing when she replied to him. Is that his fault she did that? No, so how could that be victim blaming when I bring up facts?
Nice to see some logic on this thread, from you and a few others. It’s amazing how people will buy a narrative hook line & sinker and not raise any of the questions you’ve raised. Some real suckers among the younger crowd in finance these days. I wouldn’t hire Nick Zhao, or any of the idiots who just gobbled this story right up.
Rapist in my books
https://thecampanile.org/2018/02/02/1-in-2000-nick-zhao/
Just reading this has so many subtle references to tinder, social media, PROM, and what kind of jerk he is.
Lol this guy is such a cocky fuck
why did he mention smash like that twice? Was that supposed to be funny? Weird weird guy
that has got to be one of the douchiest interviews I’ve ever read
why, of all the masses of undergrads, did the Campenile profit this guy? Talk about slow news cycle
The Campanile is the kid's high school's paper - it's not affiliated with Cal.
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