Senior Year Grades - Important to keep grades up?

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Is it important to actually keep my grades up senior year? I've gotten extremely lazy and find studying to get anything beyond a B really difficult. I had a solid 3.8 GPA junior year during recruiting, although it's been gradually falling ever since. If I continue to exert zero effort, I will probably finish college with around a 3.5...if I put in a lot of effort, I could finish with a high 3.6 or 3.7. I would obviously rather not do schoolwork and continue to have a great time with friends, etc. but will finishing school with around a 3.5 affect my chances during PE/HF recruiting 2 years down the road or for business school admissions? I will be working for a top bank (think MS, Blackstone etc.) and graduating from Wharton...do my grades from here on out really matter?

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Mar 9, 2007

If you are at BS M&A like you seem to indicate in your previous post -- 3.5 should be fine; any lower might screw you.

Mar 9, 2007
Westcoasting:

If you are at BS M&A like you seem to indicate in your previous post -- 3.5 should be fine; any lower might screw you.

Keep in mind that Westcoasting is referring to PE/HF exits or MBA admissions. So if you are worried about that, then he's right, but "screwed" is a little harsh. Firms like BS won't rescind an offer unless your cum falls below 3.0, I'm pretty sure. So that would be worst case scenario.

Mar 9, 2007
zala rules:
Westcoasting:

If you are at BS M&A like you seem to indicate in your previous post -- 3.5 should be fine; any lower might screw you.

Keep in mind that Westcoasting is referring to PE/HF exits or MBA admissions. So if you are worried about that, then he's right, but "screwed" is a little harsh. Firms like BS won't rescind an offer unless your cum falls below 3.0, I'm pretty sure. So that would be worst case scenario.

Yup I was talking about competitive PE and HF which I assumed was what the poster intended the topic to be about.

Mar 9, 2007

so after you do an ibanking stint and are looking to get into PE firms pre-MBA, they still take your undergrad grades into consideration?

Mar 9, 2007

care about undergrad GPA. Top business schools will definitely take that factor into account. However, since the poster is at Wharton, any GPA > 3.5 will be fine for business school combined with GS/MS/BS experience. I was lazy my senior year also and gpa went down .12 for the year.

Mar 9, 2007

care about undergrad GPA. Top business schools will definitely take that factor into account. However, since the poster is at Wharton, any GPA > 3.5 will be fine for business school combined with GS/MS/BS experience. I was lazy my senior year also and gpa went down .12 for the year.

Mar 9, 2007

Search the forums, I answered this question like a week ago.

The answer is, think about your future and B-school and PE recruiting. You don't need to bust your ass, but do keep up your gpa.

Mar 9, 2007

Seconded - this same question was asked very recently. Essentially, you should definitely try to keep your grades up unless you have absolutely no intention of leaving the firm that gave you an offer and know you will be kept on up through associate to VP. If you are looking at or considering eventually making a move to a boutique, VC, P/E, or B school, you should definitely keep your grades up as your grades will be considered by your new employer and/or the adcom at b schools. Don't be short sighted - it's a few more months and your done - keep your grades up and move on without that worry later.

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Mar 9, 2007

I'm in a similar spot, having to decide how much effort to put in to school these last few semesters. One thing I have considered is what I will need to graduate with honors or high honors. Does this stuff mean much? Probably not, but always nice to tack on to short summaries of your background.

Mar 9, 2007

Oh man, my GPA tanked from a 3.97 to a 3.64 my senior year. It was a beautiful, perfect-10 Olympic nosedive and I loved every moment. Anybody beat that?

Mar 9, 2007

i'm sure you'll be fine. to quote what everybody else on the board says, they'll look at you hollistically. as long as you have a decent gpa/gmat/and work experience you'll be ok

Mar 9, 2007
HerSerendipity:

Hi all,
So I was wondering how closely business schools check out your grades from senior year. I had a pretty rough last semester and ended up with a C+ in one of my classes, which is ironically a major class as well. How is this going to affect me when I apply to business school? I wasn't slacking off at all during the term, but somehow I still did poorly.

I hope that will not be an issue... because i ended up 1st semester senior year with two C's worse semester overall...
I'm feeling pretty screwed right now. Advice?

Mar 9, 2007

They will definately look at all your grades, but if you have a good overall GPA, it wont matter if you have one C+. A bunch of C+'s however, could hurt.

Mar 9, 2007

Wow, Mis Ind.. Your major GPA must have really gone to shit (assuming your school was like mine where you take a lot of your major-related classes senior year).

Are you worried about what it will look like for b-school, or are you not planning on b-school at all?

Mar 9, 2007

think firms rescind offers during senior year based on academic grades, considering it's not like you send them a mid-year report of where you're at. But, if you don't graduate or you get suspended or something, obviously they will.

Mar 9, 2007

it doesnt matter. apparently even MDs have been telling SAs who get FT offers that they should drink to excess because its the end of college, and as long as they graduate it doesnt matter. the only reason it could fuck u is for b-school.

Mar 9, 2007
Closer121:

it doesnt matter. apparently even MDs have been telling SAs who get FT offers that they should drink to excess because its the end of college, and as long as they graduate it doesnt matter. the only reason it could fuck u is for b-school.

what about for future jobs i.e. going into PE after your two years?

Mar 9, 2007
Closer121:

it doesnt matter. apparently even MDs have been telling SAs who get FT offers that they should drink to excess because its the end of college, and as long as they graduate it doesnt matter. the only reason it could fuck u is for b-school.

MDs are generally at odds with hr and admin

Mar 9, 2007

technically, you just need to pass your course - if you look at your offer letter, it's a ground for revoking the offer if you fail to graduate.

However, it doesn't hurt to do well. it probably does not apply to your case, but keep in mind that in bad times, banks always find excuses to fire people. 2 guys from my associate class were fired immediately after the training program apparently because they "did not perform well enough in the program". In good years, I don't think banks would have done the same thing.

Mar 9, 2007

didnt do well in the program, not didnt do well in school.

as for your earlier question, PE and HF, after your first job its more or less irrelevant, but even if you got a 1.2 in college and they looked at your gpa, if your MD had a glowing recommendation, you're going to be good to go probably. That is direct proof of your work ethic. Doing well in school is also, but could also be attributed to just being good at cramming 4-5x a semester. being highly recommended by an MD from your group is like getting a 4.0 from harvard.

i say be much more cognizant of impressing people and working your ass off during your analyst stint than being worried about your grades during your sr year of college.

Mar 9, 2007

I went to a BBA program. We don't separate out major and non-major GPA's. The 3.64 is what it is.

Also, I shouldn't have to worry about getting into B-school if I play it right, since I'll have bulge-bracket experience, a BBA, and an insane GMAT.

Thirdly and finally, after maintaining a 3.97 long enough to get a bulge-bracket IB offer, I needed a year's vacation from hard work.

Mar 9, 2007

Uh I wouldn't worry about 1 C or 1 bad semester. You're only human! My brother got at least one C and he went to Stanford business school (he did graduate with a strong overall GPA, though).

Mar 9, 2007

Miss Ind what school did you go to?

Mar 9, 2007

Depends on your bank. Mine told me grades no longer mean shit as long as you graduate.

Mar 9, 2007

Shouldn't have to worry about it in the BO broski

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Mar 9, 2007

Lollll hahah i should clarify I did front officee

Mar 9, 2007

HR didnt say anything about transcripts or even graduating to be honest

Mar 9, 2007

You should care if you want to make your trip to the buyside less of a headache...

Mar 9, 2007

I do care about later opportunities and the future, but I guess one thing at a time.

My mine thing here is that will it affect my full time employment?

Mar 9, 2007

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Mar 9, 2007

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Mar 9, 2007

you're golden

Mar 9, 2007

golden for what?

Mar 9, 2007

bschool, yes..

while it's expected that gpa's might drop last semester, there's no excuse for getting below 3.0 after your freshman year.

Mar 9, 2007

I know that I'm not nearly as wise or knowledgeable as many others on this board, but the fact is you're graduating magna and working at a BB. As far as I know, that's a pretty good situation to be in.

Mar 9, 2007

After you do your stint at an IB, top PE firms still want your college gpa.

Mar 9, 2007

I would rather have good grades at the end than at the beginning. Nothing that can't be averted by good hard work (for future jobs) or an alt transcript (for B-schools).

But really, a 2.75 the final semester? Did you even go to class?

Mar 9, 2007

fully agreed. my effort, which was minimal to begin with, disappeared instantly after having multiple offers in hand

Mar 9, 2007

just try to keep a B average and enjoy your last year

Mar 9, 2007

Don't screw up your grades. If you are interested in graduate school, it will absolutely come back to bite you.

Mar 9, 2007

Seniorities... got an offer after my SA.. whoops

"Major in economics; use your economics degree to get an analyst job on Wall Street; use your analyst job to get into Harvard or Stanford Business School; and worry about the rest of your life later"

Mar 9, 2007

As long as it doesnt kick in too early you'll be fine. I got mine toward end of first semester senior year, so my last semester I get to cruise to a 3.5. That will only drop overall a couple of points.

Mar 9, 2007

By the way, by graduate school I mean PhD. Undergrad GPA matters much less for other types of grad school.

Mar 9, 2007

definitely not trying to get a masters or phd, maybe MBA lol

Mar 9, 2007

Ok. Chill out with a 6-pack of Miller High Life =)

Mar 9, 2007

Keep your grades up for the prestige!!!

Enjoy the senioritis and pass it along to others.

Mar 9, 2007

Just do enough to get by but don't screw your GPA. You will need the GPA when you apply for MBA a few years down the road.

Mar 9, 2007

interesting idea... definitely a lot less pressure, but i feel like it's just a whole new round of competition... i mean, don't you wanna be better than everyone else in the intern class? Especially being in S&T...

I don't accept sacrifices and I don't make them. ... If ever the pleasure of one has to be bought by the pain of the other, there better be no trade at all. A trade by which one gains and the other loses is a fraud.

Mar 9, 2007

I did my slacking the first 2 years. Worked my ass off my last 2 years. Did not have an offer when i graduated however.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

Mar 9, 2007

GPA still matters when you apply to other firms in the future... Sure a 2 year BB stint on your resume will make it hard for an employer to say no, but why give him any doubts with a low GPA?

Mar 9, 2007

I missed about 10 days of classes before finally getting an SA offer. I'm in a huge hole now but I really don't care, even though I probably should.

Mar 9, 2007
WallStreetKid:

I missed about 10 days of classes before finally getting an SA offer. I'm in a huge hole now but I really don't care, even though I probably should.

Yeah, you should care.... what happens when you don't get a FT offer from your firm?

Mar 9, 2007

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Mar 9, 2007

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Mar 9, 2007

will people really be judging my SA performance by my recent quarter gpa lol

Mar 9, 2007

Well it'll affect your overall which matters.

Mar 9, 2007

Guys, I'm in exactly the same state, and thought about posting something similar. After getting my offer around the middle of the first term, now I literally have 0 motivation. I cannot even keep my mind set on the material while I try to study(which doesn't happen so often), it just wanders off to random topics. At the same time, I really want to enjoy my last months of college, since they're not coming back. However, I cannot do this to the fullest because of my guilty conscious, related to being unproductive.

Mar 9, 2007

I'm just doing the bare minimum to reach for Bs/As

Mar 9, 2007

Oh wait, didn't realize you only got SA. Nope, it's not over for you yet. Sorry.

Mar 9, 2007

guys his name is harvardorbust for gods sake take what he says with a grain of salt. In reality its more like bust4harvard

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

Mar 9, 2007

i mean if you work your balls off this summer... they won't care if your gpa falls a point or two

Mar 9, 2007
ambition56:

i mean if you work your balls off this summer... they won't care if your gpa falls a point or two

Who's "they"? Your gpa won't matter in determining whether or not you get a return offer, but if you don't get one, your gpa will absolutely matter when you go through FT recruiting. Getting an SA stint is not the end of the game.... you can work your ass off and still not get a return offer (for a variety of reasons which may or may not be under your control).

Nevertheless, congrats on the offer!

Mar 9, 2007

I am wondering the same time. After the FT offers started coming in, I really stopped caring. Up until this semester, I had only one B on my transcript, everything else was an A, now I poised to probably graduate around a 3.89 due to a complete lack of motivation (there was a period of time where I was legitimately concerned that I might not graduate summa cum laude). If they look at just GPA, I think we should be fine, but if they actually analyze the transcript and look at the drop in the final semester, we are screwed.

Mar 9, 2007

Trouble is - they DO ask for transcripts.

Mar 9, 2007

No one will care. A 3.9 GPA is a 3.9 GPA. Obviously, your major matters, but that's not changing by getting some B's in your last semester. Plus, they're B's, not D's.

Mar 9, 2007

@"krypton" I know but just because they ask for them does not mean they actually analyze them. It could be like the same way FT offers require an official transcript to be sent, so they can verify that you have graduated and your GPA is what you say it is rather than analyzing every class you took, your grades, and trends.

Mar 9, 2007

average gpa for top schools are around 3.5-3.6. I think GMAT carries a lot more weight than your GPA. I'm also going through the same thing except I'm about to go from 3.6 to a 3.5 :(

Mar 9, 2007

if you're getting lazy with school work but doing something else that's productive, like volunteering or contributing back to the school, it'll probably be viewed as a positive. No B-school is going to care if you got a 4.0 or a 3.9 so you might as well enjoy the last semester and start trying to improve the other aspects of your future application.

FWIW, I went to a non-target and had a 4.0 going into the last semester, completely blew off school and got 2 B+'s and now am at a top 5 bschool, so don't sweat it.

Mar 9, 2007

No one will give a shit, just do well on the GMATS and in your job. GPA is a very small part of your application, assuming its above 3.5 (and even then not that important, I got into a M7 with a 3.35).

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Mar 9, 2007

Actually, respectfully disagree that the GPA is a small part of the application. In your case, the quality of your 3.35 is what helped you. By quality I mean more than trend, but the rigor of what you took, the course load, how much you challenged yourself, and frankly, your intellectual curiosity. If you are indeed an ops dude, I am guessing you are an engineer and you probably busted ass. A 3.5 in political science (my own major, by the way) doesn't blow anyone away.
Having said, that -- back to the OP, one or 2 bps in a GPA shouldn't matter, but a 3.9+ is so pretty, it would be a shame to mess it up.

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Mar 9, 2007

My program was decently hard, but I'm almost certain I got in because of high GMAT , which business schools weight considerably more.

Mar 9, 2007

You should not be worried at all. As long as you graduate on time the bank will not give two shits. If you choose to improve your GPA it's a matter of pride (getting Magna Cum Laude instead of Cum Laude).

Mar 9, 2007

The place it will hurt you most will be b-school applications and post-banking hiring. It will not be a valid excuse to tell future employers / b-school admission committees that you already had a job offer and simply didn't care.

Mar 9, 2007

get it back above 3.7 and then you are a boss

Mar 9, 2007

Stay in the 3.5 range and you're solid. Longer you work, less b school cares about undergrad gpa

Mar 9, 2007

its ok...i dropped from a 3.97 to a 3.5.

However, i did transfer schools

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.

Mar 9, 2007

I thought PE firms/other future employers only see the GPA you put on your resume whereas B-school do look at the transcript to track any major drops.

So ultimately it doesn't matter if you drop .4 or .3 points as long as the cumulative ends up being 3.5+

Is this true?

Mar 9, 2007
bizou212:

I thought PE firms/other future employers only see the GPA you put on your resume whereas B-school do look at the transcript to track any major drops.

So ultimately it doesn't matter if you drop .4 or .3 points as long as the cumulative ends up being 3.5+

Is this true?

i would say it depends. if you had a 3.9 in two years at a school and then all of a sudden had a 3.3 then something would be suspicious and it might affect your application. however, if you have a legitimate reason for the drop (transferred to a harder school/changed major/family problem) then you should have nothing to worry about

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.

Mar 9, 2007

Grades are always important. Anyone that says otherwise is probably not working in tech, fin, banking, etc.

Mar 9, 2007

sorta important~

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Mar 9, 2007

Your GPA is an important component of your MBA (or any other grad school) application. Assuming you get an offer, have a good time your senior year, but try to stay in the same ballpark. It probably won't affect you much if you go from a 3.8 to a 3.7, but it definitely could if you go down much more than that.

Disclaimer: My GPA dropped ~.2 my senior year after I got a job offer and was overloading to get credits to take the CPA. Was incredibly regretful when I was reviewing my transcript this year as I applied to b-school, even though it may not have had much of an effect.

Mar 9, 2007

Coming from someone who has a TERRIBLE GPA. It will always sadly matter, continue to do well.

Mar 9, 2007

I would put the 3.5 because of a) its actually still pretty good, and b) if I saw "7semester GPA:3.66/4.0", I would almost immediately assume that you got like a 1.0 in that final semester.

Mar 9, 2007

Another suggestion is to also put your Major GPA in addition to your Cumulative, assuming its better.

Mar 9, 2007
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