The most underrated business school

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What is the most underrated college (undergrad or masters) to attend to get into IB? The college may be insulted, not well regarded, or may not be known, but is actually a great school for Wall Street or other business placement.

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  • Prospect in Other
Dec 7, 2019

Virginia

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Dec 9, 2019

You might have to Google the meaning of underrated my man.

Cocky millionaire

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  • Prospect in Other
Dec 9, 2019

bump

  • Prospect in Other
Dec 9, 2019

Why did I get so much MS lol? A lot of people I talked to don't know UVA is a good school for finance.

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Dec 9, 2019

Because our school McIntire is def not underrated in the US. Although our international brand name needs a lot more work.

Dec 7, 2019

UMich - relatively easy to get, but good placements.

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Dec 9, 2019

HAIL SATAN

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Dec 10, 2019

Most of the Big Ten schools are solid options for job placement.

Dec 11, 2019

Doubtful. Last year the acceptance rate was 12% for Ross and 50% from Michigan. Probably an 6-8% acceptance rate for out of state kids.

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  • Summer Associate in ER
Dec 7, 2019

I am 100% biased. USC <<<<

P.S. Virginia and Michigan aren't underrated..

  • Prospect in IB - Gen
Dec 7, 2019

I go to UNC. Recruiting here is solid. It's not UVA or UMich, but still very solid. I don't really come on this site much so I'm not sure how much attention it gets here.

I don't know much about the difference in recruiting at Ross vs UMich LSA, but from what I've read from here and the people I met during superdays, at UVA almost all of the recruiting is in the comm school. Correct me if I am wrong.

So while UVA gets better recruiting at most banks than UNC's B School, I think UNC A&S may beat UVA A&S. Most banks here don't care much about being in the B School anymore. I wrote a long comment on a post asking about UNC a while ago. I went in detail about all the banks and claimed that you really had to be in the B School, but after looking into it a lot more since then, I don't think being in it matters that much anymore. The resume drops here aren't exclusive to it and they don't separate into piles based off of it.

Edit: If you're going to shit, I'd appreciate a response. Like I said, correct me if I'm wrong.

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  • Prospect in Other
Dec 7, 2019

"at UVA almost all of the recruiting is in the comm school" source?

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  • Prospect in IB - Gen
Dec 7, 2019

I could be wrong. Thats just what I've generally seen around this website. Everyone I've met from UVA (only like 10 people) were all comm.

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  • Prospect in Other
Dec 8, 2019

You are 100% wrong. Most of the recruiting happens before anyone is even in Comm...

  • Prospect in IB - Gen
Dec 8, 2019

Aight if you say so.

  • Intern in IB - Gen
Dec 8, 2019

you're right but be careful, lots of salty uva kids on this site who were too dumb to get into mcintire.

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  • Prospect in Other
Dec 8, 2019

Please stop spreading false information. I am a current Comm student. Yes, maybe there is a difference if you're applying as a 4th year for full-time, but the majority of internship recruiting is for that summer going into 4th year, and all of that primarily takes place in 2nd year spring/summer.

No one has taken a single Comm class at that point because it starts in the Fall of 3rd year.

When I was networking/interviewing for 15+ firms that 2nd year Spring, I was only asked if I was accepted to McIntire once (and it was on a networking call). I know multiple Comm rejects that were able to get BB/EB internships.

The real reason it seems like Comm students have an advantage is the self-selection bias. Generally, the kids that aren't Comm, but are interested in IB, didn't have the GPA/Extracurriculars to get into Comm-- therefore they generally don't have the GPA/Extracurriculars get the top jobs either (which makes sense).

Old UVA heads would disagree with my comment, but they are wrong. As long as the recruiting timeline stays this early, it will continue to devalue the Commerce distinction. When they were in school, it might have been the case, but in the last ~5 years it has changed.

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Funniest
Dec 7, 2019

Faber College

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Dec 7, 2019

who

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Dec 8, 2019

Why? All the others that people have said I have heard of and actually have solid reputations. What makes Faber underrated?

Dec 8, 2019

Never mind

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Dec 8, 2019

Hahaha Faber is a fictional college from the movie Animal House

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Dec 9, 2019

Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? I just talked to her last week...she was going to make a pot for me!

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Dec 9, 2019

"Knowledge is good"

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Dec 11, 2019

Thanks for repping

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Dec 8, 2019

Indiana is also one of the most underrated schools because of its overall rep and the stigma associated with its low rank - obviously its not your top state school (compared to the likes of UT, UMich, UVA, UNC, etc..) but the Kelley School Workshops place very well and if you're a driven and competitive student, you can land IB roles at respectable firms

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Dec 8, 2019

I agree. The sucky thing is though getting into Indiana does not mean you get into Kelley, they have their own little admissions process. Furthermore, even this is not enough. You then have to get into the Investment Banking Workshop which I hear is very competitive.

Dec 8, 2019

As a Kelley and IB Workshop grad (who actually transferred there from another school 3rd year), I can reassure you that getting into Kelley shouldn't be overwhelmingly difficult as long as you are a driven person and can do well academically. Getting a top grade in the introductory accounting course should be enough to help you nail the Kelley admission.

It's tough to get into the IB Workshop at IU without political connections. Some of the people in there are sons, daughters, or relatives of prominent business leaders or politicians. Being a female or other underrepresented demographic group could probably increase your odds as well.

But... the IB Workshop doesn't really mean anything other than you get access to a special class that sort of gives you training on the interview process for getting an IB job. It also gets you some visibility among the school staff, which might get you a few leads. However, nothing will preclude you from interviewing at all the banks and doing the necessary networking to get your foot in the door. You can acquire all the knowledge through other means. At the end of the day the job search comes down to who you get to know in the real world, and personality fit.

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Dec 10, 2019

Another option worth considering at IU is the economics or math major, for which you don't need admission into the Kelley business school. That can also open up the door to a finance career and more. You can still take business classes as electives.

Dec 10, 2019

Definitely Kelley, Chicago banks pull a lot of grads from there.

Dec 10, 2019

Nowadays, most Kelley grads go to New York, not Chicago for IB

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  • Intern in S&T - Other
Dec 10, 2019

every kid I ever met who went to Indiana, biz undergrad or not, was a fucking dunce. Literally it is a pool of mediocrity

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  • Analyst 2 in PE - Other
Dec 10, 2019

Being an intern in S&T has probably brought you into contact with so many IU alum hasn't it?!?! Someone sounds salty an IU Kelley student took their job

Dec 19, 2019

Thinking about doing an online here.

I tried.
  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Dec 8, 2019

HBS is actually pretty good. I always struggled with the fact that I didn't get into Wharton but it turned out HBS is solid for recruiting.

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  • Prospect in IB - Gen
Dec 8, 2019

I'll never understand what compels people to write such strange comments on the internet anonymously.

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Dec 8, 2019

Jokes

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Dec 8, 2019

SMU. Class of 2021 is sending 56 kids to IB this year. Granted, a good amount will be in Houston, a sizable amount are going to NY.

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Dec 8, 2019

Isn't that number the product of alternative asset program?

Dec 8, 2019

Not an SMU grad, work with a few alumni and have buddies there. I would imagine that the majority of them are the product of ALTS.

Dec 8, 2019

There is a 0% chance they have that many kids going into front office IB

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Dec 15, 2019

Equities in Houston

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Dec 9, 2019

Seconding that this is bullshit. SMU placement outside of ALTS is weak.

The ALTS program is around 50 and probably claims to place into "analyst programs at banks" but not all FO IB roles. Go look at the placement list.

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  • Associate 2 in IB - Gen
Dec 9, 2019

This is false. Bottom 1/3 of alts always places poorly (F500, boutique IB, random jobs) but at least 35 of alt and a handful every year outside of the program have also gone to to BB/EB IB in last 3 years. And alts is not hard to get into if you have IB grades, unlike Kelley. Not bad for a pretty small finance graduating class.

Source: SMU grad on a BB recruiting team

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Dec 10, 2019

WSO should have a rule against quoting career office numbers for IB. Always the most bogus shit ever. You could be a teller at Chase and they'd bucket it under IB.

Nothing against Southern Millionaires University which in my experience, does place well in Texas. But (i) as said I don't trust official stats and (ii) I wonder how many of those kids leveraged daddy's rolodex.

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Dec 10, 2019

SMU is appropriately non-rated. Fixed it for you

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Dec 8, 2019

Rutgers places at many banks. Some of my dipshit friends there do well. Baruch in NYC places too but I'm not sure how much of that is nepotism.

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Dec 9, 2019

Bump

Dec 8, 2019

Are all the semi/non-targets just posting their own schools lmao

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  • Associate 1 in IB - Ind
Dec 8, 2019

I might get shit on, but hear me out - Dartmouth (all majors), Cornell (non-business majors, their business program isn't underrated), and Stern (a little underrated because placement is just that solid).

The three above place as well as any other school and have a fat alumni base across all of Wall Street. If you can get into a school like Mich, UVA, etc., I think you'd be better off throwing an early decision app to the above three. It's much easier to get into Dartmouth, Cornell, or Stern than the upper/middle Ivies, but the recruitment is almost the same.

This doesn't apply if you're a rockstar and can get into a Harvard/Wharton level school with ease.

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Dec 8, 2019

The only reason you would get shit is because you named schools that are not really that underrated.

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Dec 9, 2019

Maybe Stern, but Dartmouth dropped to the 7s in acceptance rate and Cornell should be around 8 or 9% next year...I don't think it'll be easy at all, probably harder and harder

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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Dec 9, 2019

I very much agree with what he's saying. If you apply ED, I'm pretty sure both schools have high teens to low twenty percent acceptance rates. Those are significantly better odds than getting into a school like say Yale, Columbia, or UChicago, but the recruiting is essentially all but equal.

Dec 14, 2019

I mean Stern has a 6% acceptance rate.

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Dec 8, 2019

UT Austin

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Dec 9, 2019

Finally someone who knows what underrated means.

UT and UIUC are definitely the 2 most underrated schools for finance.

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Dec 10, 2019

explanation for UIUC? Not disagreeing, just curious.

Dec 10, 2019

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Dec 9, 2019

Solid answer, not much talk about it on here but nearly 2% of 2017 IB placements are from UT (#7 out of all schools) McCombs has extremely helpful programs to place kids.

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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Dec 8, 2019

Probably Rutgers, I have a few friends who are seniors there and the school has started pumping a lot of people into wall street as of late. So in terms of underrated that's one of my picks as you normally just hear that Rutgers is shit.

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  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Dec 8, 2019

BYU, those damn Mormons are everywhere lol

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Dec 8, 2019

Even the smaller BYU's, BYUI Has even sent students to Wall Street

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Dec 8, 2019

This is an interesting read. UIUC and USC surprised me. The rest did not.

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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Dec 8, 2019

USC is full of rich kids, who are more likely to get richer later in life compared to the kids at harvard on financial aid.

  • Summer Associate in ER
Dec 8, 2019

While the rich kid cliche is definitely true, there are still many many people that are not rich by any means. USC wasn't my first choice because of the lack of high finance placements. However, I was surprised to find out that there's an insane amount of students getting offers (albeit on the west coast mostly) for Consulting, IB, PE, ER and so on.

  • Intern in IB-M&A
Dec 8, 2019

Would Carnegie Mellon fit in this category?

Dec 9, 2019

Came here to find my school and realized I'm definitely at a non-target

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Dec 9, 2019

Baruch College NYC

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Dec 9, 2019

They have the top quant program (MFE). It's also one of the cheapest too. Very tough to get into

"The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly salary." - Nassim Taleb

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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Dec 9, 2019

tallest midget

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Dec 10, 2019

Bulge Bracket IB analysts from U. Cincy? I'm not saying there's zero of them anywhere on Wall Street but no way are they "numerous".

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Dec 9, 2019

UGA.

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Dec 9, 2019

If you're from Canada, then Ryerson University.

(only Canadians will get this one)

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  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Dec 9, 2019

+1 Overall Rye high has some smart kids in the eng and cs programs but the a&f kids lack polish and have a massive chip on their shoulder. Banking in Canada is literally Queens commerce, Ivey, Mcgill HIT or bust due to the limited amount of firms and a large amount of inequality between the main 2 and the rest with very little care for non targets although some do break in. With that said fuck Queens our hoco is better, London>>Jane and Finch >>> Kingston and we can place into the states while you guys have to take "networking" trips to nyc to get some credibility.

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Dec 9, 2019

I agree with you for the most part but the credibility among the Accounting and Finance program has been growing, especially in recent years. Definitely no where near Ivey, Queens, or other top programs, but the co-op option I think opened up a lot of employer's eyes to the quality of students that come from the school.

Also, I don't think there is anything wrong with the "chip on your shoulder" mentality. It pushes the students to network more, focus in class, and overall just balance themselves out because they know they have to compete with student from top programs and are starting behind the eight ball.

NYC is literally impossible from Ryerson. Even U of T struggles to get kids there.

All that said, I'm not even in SAF, so personally I don't take any offense.

Dec 9, 2019

Northeastern is pretty decent. Maybe not purely for IB although they have sent some kids to top groups like morgan stanley m&a. If you are smart and driven, VC and AM are doable.

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  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Dec 9, 2019

They're alright, seem to be sending more kids into IB each year. They have a couple of co-ops at BBs and regional MM's. Usually send about 5 to BB/EB per year and then another 5-10 throughout regional MM's and local banks.

Definitely a solid spot for AM though.

Dec 9, 2019

Baylor has a solid finance program and business school. Probably the best school in Texas for accounting too. Only a few do investment banking but becuase Baylor makes it possible to double major and still graduate on time you'll learn a lot more than just finance majors. From Baylor, a lot of people get into consulting, corporate banking, big 4 (accounting and finance), and asset managment.

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Dec 9, 2019
Bears21:

"Probably the best school in Texas for accounting too."

I think you're forgetting someone since the #1 ranked accounting program is in Texas.

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Dec 9, 2019

Are you serious? McCombs at UT Austin has the number 1 accounting program in the nation. Get your head out of your ass

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Dec 9, 2019

Penn State

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Dec 9, 2019

Baylor = Rich kids who couldn't get into UT Austin, Rice or SMU

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Dec 9, 2019

Maybe UT and Rice, but it's not too much different than SMU in terms of difficulty of acceptance.

A few kids each year get into high finance (maybe 10 or so) out of Baylor from what I remember.

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Dec 9, 2019

half that and all MM

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Dec 9, 2019

For MBA I think Tuck is definitely underrated for getting into IB. I didn't go there but know many who did, and they all had unusually strong results from IB recruiting. Maybe even better than my friends at Booth/Wharton/Columbia . . certainly comparable if not better.

It's a target school in the general sense, but when people split hairs they tend to view it as the lower end of target. That's why I say its underrated.

I think the reason Tuck does unusually well is the alumni have a ton of allegiance so they make sure it remains a core school at the bank, and then the school gets a target school's shareof attention/space even though its a small class with a small % pursuing banking.

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Dec 9, 2019

UT Austin and Baruch - Zicklin

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Dec 9, 2019

UW foster?

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Dec 9, 2019

Slightly off topic but UW has one of the strongest and most respected CompSci programs, despite not being very well known for business. I find it interesting when schools have different strengths in different fields. Harvard is Harvard, regardless of industry. Other schools are known for other niches.

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Dec 9, 2019

I wonder the same thing about Harvey mudd . It is a niche university, widely respected and the average student could easily win in a brain power contest against the average Duke econ or NYU stern student but I never have heard them mentioned in IB.

Dec 9, 2019

UT Austin and SMU. In Texas at least, I've noticed that firms in Houston and NYC tend to target UT kids for their brains and SMU kids for their connections

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Dec 9, 2019

No NYC firms are actively targeting UT-Austin or SMU.

A few from each Texas school, except Baylor, definitely do end up in NYC IB though.

Edit: of course you're a senior accounting major with too low of a GPA to do banking.

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Dec 9, 2019

Not true. Was part of the Houston recruiting team of an EB. Their NYC office actively targets UT Austin, had them listed in an internal recruiting presentation and everything. Was something we in Houston had to manage with them so we didn't cannibalize each other. We were a little bitter NYC didn't leave them to us, but NYC wanted them.

Also, SMU is def underrated. Know a lot of very sharp analysts, associates and senior bankers from there. Barely knew what SMU was before starting banking, but those SMU grads are all over the Houston scene, and not at all in a second-tier way

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Dec 28, 2019

I wish this was true, but Evercore coddles UT-Austin.

Dec 9, 2019

University of Bath, UK

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Dec 9, 2019

I heard they are a target for Clearwater and Torch

Dec 9, 2019

The top kids at Rutgers are impressive.

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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Dec 9, 2019

ohio state sends about 30-35 kids a year to front office roles

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Dec 9, 2019

Is this true? I don't remember seeing it on the top 40 lists

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Dec 9, 2019

Yes. I go there. Not sure what lists you're looking at but the ones on WSO are pretty inaccurate when it comes to OSU at least. Fisher Futures alone sends 25 kids a year and then honors cohort will send another couple kids plus the kids that will go do equity research at boutiques and banking at LMM in Cleveland/Columbus. I'm pasting this from** another** post:

"Not sure what you decided but I go to Ohio State and definitely would choose it given your situation regarding costs. In my fisher futures class alone we got 95% placement (one kid in honors accounting went to Deloitte) including 2 GS offers, 1 CS, 3 citi offers, JPM, UBS is now a target starting next year for Chicago office, multiple Cain bros offers, key is a target, 2 Evercore offers, 1 Lazard offer, 2 RBC offers, 1 Piper offer, William Blair has two reserved spots a year although the ones that got interviews in my class went to other banks this year, 2 Houlihan offers + 1 in RX, a Jefferies offer, and there is a lot more that I'm forgetting and again this just from my class alone.."

also.. US News recently ranked fisher at #10 undergraduate finance program so that's kinda cool https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/busi...
To be transparent, it is a fantastic program right now but there is some room for improvement. I imagine it will be much stronger in the next few years or so as OSU as a whole has gotten very selective over a short period of time. The average ACT is a just under a 30 now I think it might be a bit higher for Fisher specifically (not sure) which is kind of insane given it's the 3rd largest school in the country with 62k undergrads.. Alumni network is insane for consulting more so than banking although like I mentioned that is being improved with time.

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Dec 9, 2019

1) If it is an ivy league it is not underrated
2) UVA, Umich, UT, USC and Indiana are not underrated
3)BYU, SMU, and Rutgers are good underrated calls I have been seeing
Do not overlook the valley of the sun......Arizona State baby. Investment Banking program consistently feeding kids to top banks with this years placements including Evr, PJT, WB, JPM, BAML, UBS, DB, Citi, PWP, Laz, MS, and many more. Cant wait for all the ms from you hardos that want to cry because you think that your school (talking to those named in 1 and 2) is underrated. Change my mind.

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Dec 9, 2019

ASU also has an underrated PhD In Finance for the academic monkeys here

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Dec 9, 2019

Can confirm talked to a few students this year in that program who made it to EB's this summer

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Dec 10, 2019

Forks Up

Dec 13, 2019

ASU has a selective program specifically for kids who want to get into banking. Very high placement rates for the students who get into the program. Plus, 4 years at ASU >

https://wpcarey.asu.edu/finance-degrees/investment...

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  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Dec 9, 2019

Univ. of Wisconsin

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Dec 9, 2019
  1. Big school: UW-Madison
  2. Small school: Washington & Lee (though probably gets enough recognition to not be underrated)
  3. Wrong School in this thread: Rutgers
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  • Intern in IB - Gen
Dec 9, 2019

Rutgers this year and last year has had super solid fo placement. So in regards to underrated the school is spot on for this thread. Acceptance to the business school has also gotten more competitive and is getting more competitive. Just took a look at the numbers for the junior class, 30+ kids landed fo roles.

Is Rutgers considered a good business school in the street? Of course not, that's why its underrated. Last junior class also had around 20+ fo office roles. This is mostly due to the new Road to Wall Street program at the school, pretty new (5 years) but it has significantly improved the last 2 years. The program is getting more alumni money as of late and has a lot of impressive stuff in the works. Expect to see similar placement data for the sophomore class and future classes.

Yes I go to Rutgers, and yes I have a top ib role that took a lot of work and networking so I do understand the school's reputation on the street. Not many business schools with such negative reputation pumping those numbers.

Also yes I hate my school as most of the people are fucking retarded, but its cheap and got the job done.

Dec 10, 2019

+1 for W&L. For such a small school that isn't in the NE, they do seem to place pretty well.

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Dec 9, 2019

unc Charlotte

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Dec 9, 2019

Rutgers

Dec 9, 2019

SUNY Binghamton

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Dec 11, 2019

How's the recruiting there?

Dec 9, 2019

Shut the fuck up about Rutgers

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Dec 9, 2019

Rutgers

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Dec 9, 2019

Cincinnati. Trust me

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Dec 9, 2019

No, what's their placement like last summer?

Gun rights activist
Dec 10, 2019

Trust me, its high. Walk into any Chase in the midwest and ask to open a checking account and you'll be eating your words.

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  • Intern in IB-M&A
Dec 9, 2019

Berkeley Haas. It's been doing pretty well for finance recruiting, but not really talked about much.

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  • Prospect in Other
Dec 9, 2019

How would you compare Berkeley Haas to UVA Mcintire?

  • Intern in IB-M&A
Dec 10, 2019

I would say it's comparable. Especially with rise in top group placements.

Dec 10, 2019

They're in the same ballpark but on the margins, UVA has such a consistent pipeline at most banks that I'd rather be there if the market tightened up.

Needless to say each of them will have a leg up on their own coast.

Dec 10, 2019

UVA has a 25% acceptance not sure about Haas

Dec 14, 2019

Haas is ranked #3 according to US News World Reports, so idk if it would be considered underrated

Dec 10, 2019

BYU has to be one of the most underated. It seems like there's always a few people at my IB interviews from there.

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Dec 10, 2019

Yeah but have to adjust for the fact that they're a high achieving people in general. YMMV.

  • Prospect in Other
Dec 10, 2019

University of Florida - Warrington
This college has really risen in the last few years and just shy of T29 b school . If you want IB and have a good GPA Andrew join the investment fund (that manages $700,000 you can certainly get into IB although it may be a regional boutique or STRH/WF. That said BB/EB placements happen every year as well.

Dec 10, 2019

Boston College. Know a couple people over there who've placed GS, JPM, etc.

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Dec 30, 2019

I'd say not underrated at all in terms of IB recruitment, we regularly send kids to Citi, UBS, Barclays and a couple to GS/MS/JPM every year. Plus lots of kids from Long Island, plus lots of rich prep school kids means that a lot of kids have connections.

Dec 10, 2019
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