2/7/11

I've never been one to drink coffee however it seems that a life in banking is almost impossible without it. During my SA stint (capital markets) I resorted to tea as it did not make me as jumpy or run to the bathroom like coffee did.

Has anyone here been able to survive without coffee? Have you guys always been drinking coffee or did banking make you start?

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2/7/11

I drink like 5-6 cups a day, plus diet coke and tea.

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  • eyelikecheese
  •  2/7/11

If you've gone 20-22 years without it I wouldn't worry about starting. It's a bad habit. I started it my senior year of college. At first it was harmless, giving me the sheets and whatnot; ya know just throwing in as much sugar and cream as I saw fit. Now it's straight black and no longer grants me 20 minutes in the mornings on the twalet to read the journal..but thats just my .02

2/7/11

Coke and a cup every morning during my former SA stint. Awful.

2/7/11

Yeah, if you can avoid it, do so. It eventually beats you though. Give in tooooo itttttt.

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"We've always been at war with Eastasia"

2/7/11

Coffee is a drug if I've ever seen one. I used to only drink it during my internships to stay awake in the morning, now I feel empty inside without at least one cup before I leave the house. I think I'm gonna switch to 5 hour energy. That stuff the bomb.

6/11/13
2/7/11

I made it my entire life plus two weeks into my first IB stint of not drinking it. cant go a day without a few cups now

2/7/11

Once you start you can't stop. Coffee, the legal cocaine.

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2/7/11

Wow... Pansies... then again I drink 7-8 cups on average a day. At minimum I have 4-5 cups. A Cup in the morning, a cup on the way to work and then another with breakfast and one after lunch. After that, it's just a matter of how the day goes. On the weekend, I may have a cup or two with breakfast and lunch, but not much else. I've also gone weeks without drinking Coffee since being gainfully employed.

That said, I take my coffee black unless it's either brewed at Starbucks or Dunkin'. If I'm drinking either of those two, I go add a little bit of milk because the coffee is a bit too bitter despite being quality beans. Both brands over roast their beans. If you don't believe me, buy and ground beans from Starbucks and compare it to a a cup of the same beans when made using Starbucks Drip and you'll notice a difference.

2/7/11

I worked with an associate that buys diet coke in 2L bottles. Yes those huge things you see at parties. And he opens his second one by 1pm.

2/7/11

I loveeeee black coffee. Also...if you see a FLAVIA machine and drink that stuff, then have some premium roast, you will never drink FLAVIA again b/c it takes like ass.

  • eyelikecheese
  •  2/7/11

Oh man I can't stand flavia. That stuff taste like they used afghani dirt instead of coffee beans. No offense to afghani dirt or anything. It's like my momma always said, "The best part of waking up, is Folger's in your cup"

2/7/11

6-7 cups a day + addy + redbull. Sleep is overrated.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

2/7/11

i have about 3-4 cups of black coffee a day, and at least one coke zero. if i break this routine, i go bat shit....

2/7/11

there's nothing to be proud about how much coffee you drink per day...

i used to have trouble staying up for s&t hours.. my solution: drink. more. coffee. eventually within weeks my daily 'need' jumped from 2 to 7-8, and it made me sick and nauseous all the time-- and i was miserable-- but i can't stop because any less, i'd fall back to sleep. i'm pretty sure my stomach lining took a hit on the nasty amount of caffeine i made it digest.

when i finally got to cut down my addiction, i sometimes got headache from caffeine withdraw and i was extremely inefficient for a long time.

my advice to everyone: please, please, try to minimize the amount you take per day no matter what you have to do.
a few things that helped: make a 'no caffeine' rule when you don't have to work.
drink cold water to stay awake between coffees. replace with tea..

it is a downward terrible spiral once you get to >3cups/day..
stay healthy monkeys.

2/7/11

You don't need it in IBD. Just have a good diet and try to get in a few minutes of exercise daily

2/7/11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine

I am in transition to tea. It contains a second chemical called theanine that stabilizes mood, so you get the benefits of caffeine without getting as jittery.

Rhino85:

You don't need it in IBD. Just have a good diet and try to get in a few minutes of exercise daily

you sure you're talking about Investment banking dude?

Get busy living

2/7/11

3 to 4 cups a day. Black.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

2/7/11

Switched to tea (3/4 a day) and sugarfree Red Bull (1 if I am feeling exceptionally tired). I still like to enjoy a cup of coffee here and there - out of pure enjoyment.

2/7/11

Hmm, I'll have to try tea out. I have a sensitivity to caffeine, and more often than I'd like, coffee makes me anxious. Theanine might just be my savior.

2/7/11

I would love to avoid it but even with my 10 hour days I found myself dozing off by lunch or right after lunch. It seems it is inevitable for me to start

2/7/11

And why all the diet coke love? Just for less sugar purposes with the benefits of the caffeine?

2/8/11

I drink about 1-3 cups a day, with cream, delicious, I love coffee just because I like having something warm to drink in the mornings and after lunch. I'm a little less sensitive to caffeine than other people though.

2/8/11

i drink way too much coffee a day, whats the worst part is i still feel tired....i think my 2012 goal is going to be to try and kick the habit ...giving myself a year to slowly get off it lol

2/8/11

1) Start off the morning with a 10/20mg non XR adderal washed down by some OJ or water.

2) Repeat Step 1 every 4-6 hours as needed.

2/12/11
Buster McGillicudy:

1) Start off the morning with a 10/20mg non XR adderal washed down by some OJ or water.

2) Repeat Step 1 every 4-6 hours as needed.

I borderline considered buying credit just so I could SB +1 your post. Addy is the solution to life.

"Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to become the means by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of other men. Blood, whips and guns or dollars."

2/8/11

Proud to say I have kicked my habit to a manageable level. I used to need gallons of coffee to start my day. Now, I can just as easily drink juice/water in the mornings. I might have 3 or 4 cups per week instead of per day. Feel much healthier because of it. You can definitely notice the difference initially getting off of it but after a while you no longer need it. Yes, I definitely just described withdrawal.

2/8/11

I hate coffee, never drink it. Lots of water and juice seems to work. If you can get your hands on it, try Brians suggestion of Mate from Argentina, it rocks. Also do some sort of fitness activity in the morning, MAT or HIIT for a couple of minutes and you feel pretty good throughout the whole day.

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2/8/11

I avoid it for the most part. Tea or some cold juice in the morning with breakfast- much better. Sometimes 1 cup of coffee in the afternoon if I'm feeling particularly tired or wanna just take a break with another analyst.

2/8/11

I hate coffee so I do tea instead... When I worked over summer I had like 15 cups of tea per day which I'm assuming isn't that great for me either

2/8/11

wow 15 cups of tea.. your post just inspired me to make tea

I try to avoid coffee or tea on weekends to give the system a break...although weekends means vodka redbullsss if I clubbing

2/8/11

1 in the morning with 3 sweet in lows (followed immediately by my morning poo) followed by a lot of water and a 5 hour energy if i'm feeling tired throughout the day...

2/11/11

I don't drink more than two a day. Or else, my tummy would be very upset and the bathroom better prepare for me.

2/13/11

Personally, I don't really like coffee. I'd rather drink tea, with 10 teaspoons of sugar and milk.

Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions.

-Niccolo Machiavelli

6/11/13

I try not to take stims.

100mg Caffeine if I need a boost. 200mg if I need more. 200mg + 25mg Ephedrine if I need more. Vyvanse + Caffeine + Ephedrine if I need more.

Drinking coffee is so inefficient.

6/11/13

How did this get bumped back from the dead?

6/12/13

lmao wtf u guys get addicted to caffeine that easily? I used to run EC stack (ephedrine caffeine combined with doses of 500/600mgs of caffeine a day) and tapered off in a week to 0 caffeine nbd.

Not that hard guys..

6/12/13

poonslayer:

lmao wtf u guys get addicted to caffeine that easily? I used to run EC stack (ephedrine caffeine combined with doses of 500/600mgs of caffeine a day) and tapered off in a week to 0 caffeine nbd.

Not that hard guys..


Probably because you tapered. And you probably didn't run it for longer than four months.

Caffeine isn't something you'll suck dick for. You'll just be tired for like half a week if you stop abruptly and it's annoying.

And everybody's body reacts differently to various drugs. Are you bragging about your genetic tolerance to caffeine?

6/12/13

cartman:

I hate coffee so I do tea instead... When I worked over summer I had like 15 cups of tea per day which I'm assuming isn't that great for me either

Try green tea. If you can handle the taste try quadruple thick green tea. If you need something stronger try Red Bull or caffeine pills.

7/21/14

I'm 21 and I've yet to get addicted to coffee.

I'd have a few coffees a week during finals but, to be honest, I don't think it really did anything for me. I used to take 200-300mg before lifting but stopped that as you just get dependent on it and I didn't want that.

I did an SA stint and didn't have coffee (8-6 hours). Doing another SA atm and I have to wake up at 5 (7-5/6 hours) so I may well get into coffee. Hopefully not though. I think after a while you're so dependent that it does almost nothing for you and you need 5 cups just to maintain.

7/21/14

1-3 cups a day, One in the morning, a few more later on depending on how tired I am.
Fun Fact: Most Americans daily source of antioxidants come from Coffee

7/21/14

I drink a cup to start my day in office. The main reason is that it is right there & it is free. On my days off I do not even think of coffee.
I find it ridiculous when people admit to being addicted to coffee and/or go to Starbucks 4-5 times a day. Seriously?? Is that the highlight of your day? Is that what you live for? Come on!!

7/21/14

I realize caffeine is ingrained in our society, but don't you think it's sort of fucked up that people need to take drugs every day to function? Like, your natural energy isn't enough to handle this hectic world we live in? Like, dudes, you're all drug addicts. Think about it. Nothing really bad's gonna happen to you, but it's still weird.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

7/28/14

GoldenCinderblock:

I realize caffeine is ingrained in our society, but don't you think it's sort of fucked up that people need to take drugs every day to function? Like, your natural energy isn't enough to handle this hectic world we live in? Like, dudes, you're all drug addicts. Think about it. Nothing really bad's gonna happen to you, but it's still weird.


This.
7/25/14

I started drinking coffee occasionally while I was in high school, mainly because I liked the taste of it. Then I got to college, where they have a Starbucks inside the business school, and now I drink it much more frequently. I would agree that it's addictive, though I try not to drink it every day, or else it won't give me energy when I need it to.

7/28/14

I drink about 4 cups every morning and I cut it out by noon though. Now thats not nearly as bad as I used to be, I used to drink 2 pots of coffee a day. One before school and one before I went to work after that.

I've been drinking it black with no sugar for years. I only drink it on ice though. Goes down faster that way. I hate having to wait half an hour to drink piping hot coffee.

7/28/14

Espresso con panna! Wife likes 4 shots of espresso with a splash of soy.

7/28/14

Not sure why many of you guys here write off coffee as some shitty drugs. In fact, taking it in moderation (about 2-3) cups a day is really good. It help you poop, increase your metabolism (that's right. You need that to burn off calories from your shitty pizza habit), make you smarter and less vulnerable to Alzheimer latter on, make you a beast in da gym and provide other benefits as well. Just make sure to get the right types of coffee though, not that Starbucks crap.

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7/28/14

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7/28/14

During school I usually have about 3 cups of black coffee with a packet of sugar daily. Morning coffee is my favorite thing in the world. Nothing beats waking up relatively early and have a cup of coffee and just relaxing.

7/29/14

2 shots of Vanilla Nespresso @ 11:30am, 2 shots of Caramel Nespresso @ 3:30pm.

I usually also drink a Diet Coke after lunch.

Neither are good habits but both are essential to maintain productivity, concentration and awareness. I have alot of respect for people who don't need such stimulants. My partner who works at a Magic Circle law firm and puts in insane hours has never touched a cup of coffee or energy drink in her life. I have no idea how she manages to stay alert and meticulous.

7/29/14

I remember when I said I would never do 'drugs' also. Then I graduated middle school and got on with my life.

This to all my hatin' folks seeing me getting guac right now..

7/29/14

usually 1 cup of very black coffee nothing added every other day around 10am.

7/29/14

3 blackeyes per day (large cup of coffee + 2 espresso shots)

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7/29/14

One large cup every morning first thing in the office (6-7a). Then another around 2pm probably about 60-70% of the time. Unfortunately i'm pretty addicted at this point after 10 years of consistent use dating back to undergrad, and still need at least one cup on the weekends or I get mad headaches yo. Hardest part is my wife's preggo and I keep telling her to stay away from caffeine yet I have to drink it all the time... such a hypocrite.

7/29/14

I am 25 and am still yet to have a cup of coffee. During school, internships, and now working I have yet to really need any type of pick me up. Although I will say I don't really need to sleep much, usually 3-4 hours and I am up and good to go. I don't think anything is wrong with it, just never needed it.

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7/29/14

Coffee: The Elixir of the Mind (Originally Posted: 04/11/2013)

Coffee: The Elixir of the Mind.

It is impossible to imagine a career in the capital markets without the aid of a certain mind stimulating beverage, yes coffee.
In case you are wondering how a man from the land of the double double is authorized to speak to on matters of such great importance; the answer is: the taste of marketing isn't typically satisfying.

But I digress.

Here is what I have learned after spending numerous hours talking to and consulting for an award winning Espresso Master:

    * A proper espresso shot is 7-8 grams the way the Italians do it. Any less is watery and any more adds unnecessary acidity to the taste. This amount optimizes both the taste, tactile experience and the return per pound.

    * If a cafe is using 20 or more grams for a single espresso, you are going to end up on the bottle (Pepto Bismol).

    * Great single varietals are expensive, rare and the harvest quality changes frequently.

    * Jamaican Blue Mountain was considered by the Italians to be the perfect single varietal

    * Blending was developed by the Italians to sustainably mimic the taste of great singles by using a variety of different less expensive singles. The result was a more consistent taste profile and an excellent tactile experience at a more palatable price.

    * Espresso is a blend.

    * A perfect blend is constructed by balancing a fusion of body, flavor, aroma, and acidity.

    * The most remarkable blend I have ever tasted was created using 14 different singles.

    * Cocoa-vanilla, bitter-sweet and complex are terms that typically describe outstanding espresso blends.

    * The espresso experience is heavily influenced by factors such as: humidity, the type of machine used, how the beans have been cured, the water ph and your own personal ph. Try the same blend from the same machine over multiple days and some of these subtle differences will become clear.

    * Great coffee is delicious even when cold. You can't taste coffee when it is hot....which is of course the objective.

    * If your coffee seems to taste worse as the price of the "c" market rises, you are probably noticing that many coffee roasters sell price. Taste and quality are marketing concepts.

    * A little cream and sugar can enhance the taste of a pour over. A tiny bit of sugar enhances an espresso and can reveal its complexity. If you need to double it up: stop lying to yourself and get a piece of cake instead.

    * A pour over provides as good a taste if not better than a machine costing 10 grand...and it fits better in your overnight bag.
    * Water has a significant influence on the taste of a coffee. Try some different spring waters through your machine.

    * If you have to choose between a great grinder and a great coffee or espresso machine, go with the grinder. A great grinder will optimize the taste of a mediocre machine for an excellent outcome. A great machine will not typically compensate for a subpar grind.

    * While baristas will have you believe that latte art somehow denotes a superior coffee, they don't realize that the art should be the coffee itself....Frankly if you need that much milk and a cool drawing on top, the coffee itself probably isn't worth drinking. In other words when you put the words art and latte together it is simply another way of putting lipstick on a pig.

After 2 cups of the Turks Island this morning and just completing 3 shots of espresso, an elixir appropriately called "la Futura", I am feeling great.

So tell me: what have you learned from drinking coffee and espresso in your hood?

7/29/14

Good post...except the part about sugar enhancing coffee that's obviously ridiculous, and (to any aspiring coffee purist) a little offensive.

Pro-tip: one rough indication for the quality of a coffee shop is the level of detail put into the milk patterns on the surface of a latte (or cappuccino). Also known as latte art. As far as shapes go I definitely prefer the fern over the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latte_art

Question for OP: what are your top 5 favorite coffee countries? Do you prefer local beans or imported?

7/29/14

Going Concern:
Good post...except the part about sugar enhancing coffee that's obviously ridiculous, and (to any aspiring coffee purist) a little offensive.

Any pro-tips on shops you prefer? Can't recall what city you live in.

7/29/14

GED or Bust:
Going Concern:
Good post...except the part about sugar enhancing coffee that's obviously ridiculous, and (to any aspiring coffee purist) a little offensive.

Any pro-tips on shops you prefer? Can't recall what city you live in.

Not comprehensive by any stretch but a decent start for manhattan and brooklyn:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/09/dini...

7/29/14

GED or Bust:
Going Concern:
Good post...except the part about sugar enhancing coffee that's obviously ridiculous, and (to any aspiring coffee purist) a little offensive.

Any pro-tips on shops you prefer? Can't recall what city you live in.

I'm on the west coast. I think the important thing to remember is that there are lots of cool shops out there, but there is no correlation between the atmosphere and service of a given shop and the quality of what they serve.....and how they serve it.

7/29/14

Going Concern:
Good post...except the part about sugar enhancing coffee that's obviously ridiculous, and (to any aspiring coffee purist) a little offensive.

Pro-tip: one rough indication for the quality of a coffee shop is the level of detail put into the milk patterns on the surface of a latte (or cappuccino). Also known as latte art. As far as shapes go I definitely prefer the fern over the heart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latte_art

Question for OP: what are your top 5 favorite coffee countries? Do you prefer local beans or imported?

A little sugar will enhance an espresso and bring out the complexity of the blend. It will also help determine the quality of the crema as well. I'm talking half a teaspoon of the raw kind. You can try one with and one without.

High quality beans come from a number of countries and these vary from year to year. Because I drink complex blends created by this guy, I am not focused on specific countries. With up to 14 beans in a blend, many countries can be represented.

7/29/14

Lone Wolf:

A little sugar will enhance an espresso and bring out the complexity of the blend. It will also help determine the quality of the crema as well. I'm talking half a teaspoon of the raw kind. You can try one with and one without.

What's the basis for raw sugar?

7/29/14

freemarketeer:
Lone Wolf:

A little sugar will enhance an espresso and bring out the complexity of the blend. It will also help determine the quality of the crema as well. I'm talking half a teaspoon of the raw kind. You can try one with and one without.

What's the basis for raw sugar?

I like raw sugar for a couple of reasons. first, less processed. Second, it dissolves more slowly. After using it for awhile I tried the regular white stuff, and I can't say why but the white tasted almost "sour" by comparison.

7/29/14

Lone Wolf:
freemarketeer:
Lone Wolf:

A little sugar will enhance an espresso and bring out the complexity of the blend. It will also help determine the quality of the crema as well. I'm talking half a teaspoon of the raw kind. You can try one with and one without.

What's the basis for raw sugar?

I like raw sugar for a couple of reasons. first, less processed. Second, it dissolves more slowly. After using it for awhile I tried the regular white stuff, and I can't say why but the white tasted almost "sour" by comparison.

Interesting. The raw sugar should dissolve more slowly primary as a function of the size of the crystals. Otherwise, I may have noticed that same sourness. I can't say I know why.

I was going to comment about drink temperatures, but this guy gives a synopsis better than I can: http://www.quora.com/Taste-sense-1/Why-do-some-dri...

7/29/14

grandfather used to sell jamaican blue mountain at his gourmet shop, but years ago he said it was bought by the japanese and they started diluting it with other shit. no longer sells it, he said he cant verify it and there is like 10x more coffee sold under the name than actually produced at the estate

7/29/14

nontargethustle:
grandfather used to sell jamaican blue mountain at his gourmet shop, but years ago he said it was bought by the japanese and they started diluting it with other shit. no longer sells it, he said he cant verify it and there is like 10x more coffee sold under the name than actually produced at the estate

I was told by someone in Hawaii this was a problem with Kona as well.

The JBM I tried was from a family owned estate and a trusted supplier.

7/29/14

I think caffeine is an excellent PED for interviews.

7/29/14

adapt or die:
I think caffeine is an excellent PED for interviews.

What the hells a PDE bro?

7/29/14

droking7:
adapt or die:
I think caffeine is an excellent PED for interviews.

What the hells a PDE bro?

...wut?

7/29/14

Performance enhancing drug bro. gwtp(get with the program). And yo FUCK more than a teaspoon of sugar. Additionally, FUCK the dip who said that "foam is a good way to tell how good the coffee is". That jaunt is so easy to fuck with.

7/29/14

droking7:
adapt or die:
I think caffeine is an excellent PED for interviews.

What the hells a PDE bro?

I think it's pretty safe to say that you're not becoming a quant any time soon.

7/29/14

reformed:
droking7:
adapt or die:
I think caffeine is an excellent PED for interviews.

What the hells a PDE bro?

I think it's pretty safe to say that you're not becoming a quant any time soon.

Haha

7/29/14

so you're saying I should not be drinking my caramel macchiatos anymore? :(

7/29/14

West Coast Analyst:
so you're saying I should not be drinking my caramel macchiatos anymore? :(

Drink what you like. I started drinking lattes and these things but eventually moved on.

To each his own.

7/29/14

Sugar is for pussies and is horrible unhealthy and coffee tastes better than espresso and has more caffeine.

7/29/14

CRE:
Sugar is for pussies and is horrible unhealthy and coffee tastes better than espresso and has more caffeine.

A tiny bit of sugar in a cup of coffee is most certainly not "horrible unhealthy." He didn't recommend drinking orange mocha frappuccinos.

7/29/14

CRE:
Sugar is for pussies and is horrible unhealthy and coffee tastes better than espresso and has more caffeine.

You have never had a great espresso then. Both are great, but they are inherently different experiences.

I only use 1/2 a teaspoon of raw with my espresso, all drip coffee is consumed black.

7/29/14

Lone Wolf:
CRE:
Sugar is for pussies and is horrible unhealthy and coffee tastes better than espresso and has more caffeine.

You have never had a great espresso then. Both are great, but they are inherently different experiences.

I only use 1/2 a teaspoon of raw with my espresso, all drip coffee is consumed black.

You are quite possibly right. Any suggestions on where to get "great espresso?"

7/29/14

CRE:
Lone Wolf:
CRE:
Sugar is for pussies and is horrible unhealthy and coffee tastes better than espresso and has more caffeine.

You have never had a great espresso then. Both are great, but they are inherently different experiences.

I only use 1/2 a teaspoon of raw with my espresso, all drip coffee is consumed black.

You are quite possibly right. Any suggestions on where to get "great espresso?"

If you come to Vancouver PM me.

7/29/14

I throw a bit of cinnamon into my cup. Makes it a touch sweeter, and is much better for you than sugar (and it also has stimulant properties).

7/29/14

I love coffee

7/29/14

it helps me poop.

7/29/14

ST Monkey:
it helps me poop.

this
7/29/14

computerized:
ST Monkey:
it helps me poop.

this

Personally, I find shitting quite therapeutic and enough coffee will certainly bring on a good poop. Just make sure there's a bathroom nearby as you finish your third cup (second cup if you make it right).

Also, sugar? Hell no. I think a small splash of milk helps to bring out the taste of a good cup of coffee, but coffee shouldn't be sweet. Go get a damn hot chocolate.

7/29/14

MindOverMonkey:
computerized:
ST Monkey:
it helps me poop.

this

Personally, I find shitting quite therapeutic and enough coffee will certainly bring on a good poop. Just make sure there's a bathroom nearby as you finish your third cup (second cup if you make it right).

Also, sugar? Hell no. I think a small splash of milk helps to bring out the taste of a good cup of coffee, but coffee shouldn't be sweet. Go get a damn hot chocolate.

Your defecation aside, some coffee is naturally sweet, and those particular coffees are used to add sweetness to a blend. Some raw sugar can indeed make a sweet cup almost too sweet.

I have not tried damned hot chocolate, but it sounds devilishly enticing.

7/29/14

Lone Wolf:
I have not tried damned hot chocolate, but it sounds devilishly enticing.

Do you live outside of the US? Hot chocolate was like a childhood staple

7/29/14

CRE:
Lone Wolf:
I have not tried damned hot chocolate, but it sounds devilishly enticing.

Do you live outside of the US? Hot chocolate was like a childhood staple

Great White North.

7/29/14

Interesting post, thanks. As a partner in a startup hedge fund trying to juggle tasks such as - but not only - create a franchise, establish business processes, raise money, enhance market awareness, mentor and train the kids, and during my spare time cover dozens of equity names and trade them into a long biased fund, I couldn't agree more that coffee is my best friend. That being said, one of our partners does not drink any coffee at all (and of all of them, guess which? back-office). I find that to be extremely puzzling. Mysterious almost.

7/29/14

Funny this was posted now, first work day in years I didn't have my coffee this morning, struggling hardddddd

Give me a kid whose smart, poor, and hungry...............

7/29/14

This whole threads reminds me of the all the beautiful coffee I drank abroad in Europe. Enjoying an espresso (un Cafe) while sitting on the patio overlooking historic architecture is something I'll remember for a long time.

....as I sip my iced black from Starbucks....

7/29/14

OP- did you learn about the different machines? Is it worth getting a $1,000+ machine or is the $300 nespresso machine just as good?

7/29/14

bullishbears:
OP- did you learn about the different machines? Is it worth getting a $1,000+ machine or is the $300 nespresso machine just as good?

The Nespresso system is pretty good as long as you want to use their coffee, which is alright. This thing has a major convenience factor: no grinding, less mess etc. and obviously there will be a cost advantage.

The Espresso master told me that all of his original tasting (to put together some of his original blends) was done on the Nuova Simonelli Oscar. I don't know the price, but probably over a thousand. Unlike the Nespresso you will have to do the grinding yourself with this machine which will add to the cost. If the cafe will grind it, that could work assuming they get the grind right. Espresso machines tend to be more fussy with regard to grind (which believe it or not will need to be adjusted frequently for humidity)

As suggested, I would work on getting a better grinder first and you can use a less expensive machine. You could probably do both for 1000.

It comes down to taste and the experience you want. Nespresso: easy, no mess, cheaper but limited. Separate espresso machine and grinder: a process, more work, a bit more involved....but in my opinion a better outcome. Kind of like cooking your own meal.

7/29/14

Solid advice
thanks

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7/29/14

any thoughts on k-cups?

7/29/14

West Coast Analyst:
any thoughts on k-cups?

a friend of mine has the machine, but uses his own coffee in it.

7/29/14

I have a nespresso machine and it is amazing... only downside being the 60 cent capsules that add up pretty quickly. Still beats Starbucks prices.

Can anyone recommend super strong coffee beans sold on Amazon?

Lone Wolf, you seem like quite the coffee addict. I bet that when you don't have caffeine for a day you start getting vodka hangover migraines. I drink far less and this happens to me.

7/29/14

mb666:
I have a nespresso machine and it is amazing... only downside being the 60 cent capsules that add up pretty quickly. Still beats Starbucks prices.

Can anyone recommend super strong coffee beans sold on Amazon?

Lone Wolf, you seem like quite the coffee addict. I bet that when you don't have caffeine for a day you start getting vodka hangover migraines. I drink far less and this happens to me.

I got more of a headache when I stopped eating wheat.

7/29/14

Tea>Coffee

Here to learn and hopefully pass on some knowledge as well. SB if I helped.

7/29/14

That_Aston:
Tea>Coffee

Only if you like to use two fingers to hold the cup....

7/29/14

If your coffee needs sugar it's because the coffee doesn't have enough natural sweetness, or the brewing was poor and left it unbalanced. Or you're just used to sugar in your coffee.
Some of the best espresso that I've ever had was not a blend, but a single origin espresso. Also, it was an 18g double espresso that tasted shockingly like neopolitan ice cream. Not that many quality focused cafes actually pull a proper single espresso because it necessitates having a separate espresso grinder or adjusting the grinder every time.
You're definitely spot on with some of your other points though.

7/29/14

shifty:
If your coffee needs sugar it's because the coffee doesn't have enough natural sweetness, or the brewing was poor and left it unbalanced. Or you're just used to sugar in your coffee.
Some of the best espresso that I've ever had was not a blend, but a single origin espresso. Also, it was an 18g double espresso that tasted shockingly like neopolitan ice cream. Not that many quality focused cafes actually pull a proper single espresso because it necessitates having a separate espresso grinder or adjusting the grinder every time.
You're definitely spot on with some of your other points though.

The espresso doesn't "need" anything additional. The sugar in the espresso is merely there to enhance the enjoyment. I like the drip black. But most importantly: to each his own.

Espresso is in fact a blend, although you can drink a single through an espresso machine. The place where I go has 5 espresso blends on at any one time, each with its own grinder. Plus 2 more grinders for experimental blends that are being developed and balanced. He has another 15 or so blends he can roll out on top of that.

Yes the grinder and its adjustment is critical. Humidity will necessitate adjustments daily and sometimes during the day.

Do you remember the single you had? That sounds fantastic.

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As I recall, it was an Ethiopia Sidamo.

7/29/14

shifty:
As I recall, it was an Ethiopia Sidamo.

I tried that one a few months ago as a pour over, it was excellent . The one single that the EM has out for pour over now is from Rwanda. Might try that today. ....and Tchembe is another single you might want to try if you can find it in your area.

7/29/14

Lone Wolf:
The sugar in the espresso is merely there to enhance the enjoyment. I like the drip black. But most importantly: to each his own.

No. Not to each his own. There is an absolute right and wrong here.

NOT A SINGLE MORSEL OF SUGAR SHALL GRACE THOU CUP O JOE.

Don't make me puke on my keyboard.

7/29/14

Red Bull and dexedrine, coffee is a waste of time

7/29/14

Any opinions on decent places in midtown. That map has nothing except the bar at the Parker (I've had coffee there once, its like $8 a cup). Blue Bottle? Zibetto? Fika?

7/29/14

meabric:

Any opinions on decent places in midtown. That map has nothing except the bar at the Parker (I've had coffee there once, its like $8 a cup). Blue Bottle? Zibetto? Fika?

Knave and Blue Bottle are hands down the best in midtown, and near the top of the list in the whole city to be honest. Culture is also not bad but not exactly in midtown proper and it's super noisy. The rest of them (Orens, Macchiato, Zibetto, etc.) are kind of meh. There was another decent one called Jittery Joe's but I think it's closed down now.

http://www.newyorkcoffeeguide.com/home.aspx

PS, just got a pour-over dripper and am loving it. Working on figuring out the best process to produce the optimal cup.

7/29/14

Green Mountain Wild Mountain Blueberry & Brooklyn Beans Maple Sleigh K Cups

7/29/14

French press, usually a single origin light roast.

7/29/14

For some unknown reason, even good coffee comes out of our Keurig tasting like shit, so I side with running to a nearby coffee shop before work. At home, I like the Black Tiger K-Cups that Keurig offers on their site.

7/29/14

lol... sorry, this made me laugh.

I'm probably the only one in my group without a coffee addiction (probably also why I'm always tired)... but my group would just give you cash or their credit card (and offer to pay for your coffee too if they like you)

7/29/14

As I recall, the summer analyst gig pays pretty well (for a college student, that is). Man up and buy the coffee yourself.

7/29/14

but if you are going everyday...or a few times a day...that can get very expensive. I am going into this internship BROKE.

7/29/14

If you must, plastic until your first paycheck. That said, some banks give summers corporate cards, and I'm sure Coffee (and Red Bull) are allowed under expense policy (at least I think?)

7/29/14

This question is simply ridiculous

BossMode

7/29/14

I really dont think it is..I am actually not making that much this summer...and i really want to know if I should apportion $500 for coffee

7/29/14

At my bank you went out to get coffee with them, and they order their shit and you order yours. If I was going to get coffee I would offer to buy for them and they would give me money.

I assume S&T is different. They probably give you a c-note and say keep the change. joking.

7/29/14

it's not that ridiculous. i think by the end of my summer analyst stint i was down about 150GBP because of coffee. most of the time people are willing to pay though, so i think $500 is excessive

7/29/14

yea, i am working in S&T....well i guess if they give me money I should just take it...and If not i guess I shall cough it up

7/29/14

In S&T, they will give you money to go get the coffee; in IBD, in in my experience, you go as a group.

7/29/14

Usually, if you want to go and offer that you're going to the desk, they will give you money to pay for everyone's coffee.

I haven't seen (that often at least) that a higher up will make you get coffee and make you pay for everyone's. At worst, you'd have to pay for yourself.

7/29/14

This is funny

7/29/14

If you're in S&T, coffee isn't the only thing they expect you to get. There's breakfast runs and lunch runs too.

7/29/14

...in old good times you would get money from a person ordering coffee and/or lunch. Here, I am talking about my experience in a brokerage firm.

7/29/14

Have some balls and don't take shit from anybody. If they don't offer to pay for it the first time let it slide, after the second time ask for the money. It's a great way to gain respect but it has to be executed wisely.

"I wanna Thank the Good Lord for Making me a Capitalist"

7/29/14
TraderNY29:

Have some balls and don't take shit from anybody. If they don't offer to pay for it the first time let it slide, after the second time ask for the money. It's a great way to gain respect but it has to be executed wisely.

I totally agree. It has nothing to do with manning up. You are not a "man" if you take it in the chin and buy coffee for your group with funds from your own pocket every time they ask you; you are a "fool." Kindly note the difference in terminology.

7/29/14

I used to run to pick up lunch couple times a week, Now, I was lucky in a way that my seniors would send me to a place nearby my office while some other less fortunate souls had to cover 10+ street and/or +3 Avenues to get that tasty pasta :)But I guess, I can't complain because I heard of people being send to Peter Luger in downtown Brooklyn to pick burgers and fries. Uhh

7/29/14

"YOU FLY, I'LL BUY" has been the coined phrase on the desk.

7/29/14

At this bullshit job I had my sophomore year summer cold calling, basically a chop shop called CIG (it was where the two idiot brokers on wall street warriors worked) the guy I worked for made me to to lugers with 500 in cash to buy gift certificated. that was one shitty train ride on the j.

7/29/14

Do you go on runs solo or with other interns?

7/29/14
mtvjunkie09:

Do you go on runs solo or with other interns?

all of the groups at my bank coordinate on exactly what time they will be thirsty/need caffeine.

7/29/14

They actually made you get coffee? What douchebags. What you should do is spray "lemonade" in their goddamn Starbucks, that'll show 'em.

"I'm a fly Malcolm X, buy any jeans necessary."

7/29/14
Tetris:

They actually made you get coffee? What douchebags. What you should do is spray "lemonade" in their goddamn Starbucks, that'll show 'em.

"I'm a fly Malcolm X, buy any jeans necessary."

is London back already?

7/29/14

When I started as a Trading Assistant, the head trader said they made a kid go to Philly to pick up some cheesesteaks. Trading Floor legend? I dunno, but that's a good 99mi ea way from NYC.

7/29/14
trigger1:

When I started as a Trading Assistant, the head trader said they made a kid go to Philly to pick up some cheesesteaks. Trading Floor legend? I dunno, but that's a good 99mi ea way from NYC.

yup, interns used to be told to go to Pat's or Geno's to get $500 worth of cheesesteaks

i was told from someone who ordered the interns to do this

7/29/14
trigger1:

When I started as a Trading Assistant, the head trader said they made a kid go to Philly to pick up some cheesesteaks. Trading Floor legend? I dunno, but that's a good 99mi ea way from NYC.

hahhahaha holy shit im dying

7/29/14

by train its only 2 hours each way. so maybe that and another hour to/from the office/restaurant. A 5-hour task. pretty funny. I guess the trader didnt like the kid and wanted him to get away for awhile.

7/29/14

He probably got them from Pat's or Geno's. Train ride from Penn station to 30th st via amtrak takes just over an hour. Cab from 30th st station to 9th and Passyunk takes 10 minutes. Wait for cheesesteaks 5 minutes. And back again.

That's not bad at all and actually sounds fun.

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7/29/14

I believe it. The Managing Director was/is a nightmare, a total train wreck. you know, they type of guy who calls your name, your heart stops. I'm sure you're right, the kid had blast getting out of there for the morning.

They still have a couple of guys like that in the Mid West, to my surprise....but the markets are the markets, no matter where you are. They're just a little more polite when they have a tantrum.

7/29/14

Do females get better treatment?

7/29/14
mtvjunkie09:

Do females get better treatment?

Only if you are looking to gain clients for your future career as a high-class escort. Seriously what kind of question is this?

No you will be treated the same, heck maybe even some harassing comments.

7/29/14
mtvjunkie09:

Do females get better treatment?

Yeah, typically when sending a male intern on a coffee run it goes as follows:

"Go get us some fucking coffee."
[intern leaves]

When sending a female intern it typically goes something like this:

"Go get us some fucking coffee."
[intern leaves]
[everyone stares at intern's ass as she walks away; make comment about it; either wanting to plow her, or how she could use the exercise]

Banker1: I'm going to ATM her before this summers out.
Banker2: Already have, thats what superdays are for.

As you can see, the female leaves a lasting impression... which leads to a higher likelihood of a FT offer.

7/29/14

Is it me, or do you get a sense of attitude coming from senior female employees particularly the black ones. Any experiences?

7/29/14

I rarely if ever had to pay for coffee and if I did it was with their accumulated change. My Desk claims I made 5k this summer in change from coffee/breakfast/lunch runs. When you add up all the silly prop bets that I did make money on probably does add up to 5k tho lol. Was a great desk and an amazing summer that I will never forget.

On the Philly cheesesteaks..... the guys on my desk and this isnt a joke were going to get a CHOPPER to go get some pizza from this place in Mass/CT cant remember where exactly. They ended up deciding on L&B Spooconi Gardens in Brooklyn by Coney Island. 3 hours later and $384 dollars + car service later the pizza arrived. That was one hell of a day.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

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trade4size:

the guys on my desk and this isnt a joke were going to get a CHOPPER to go get some pizza from this place in Mass/CT cant remember where exactly.

How were they going to fit the pizza box between the handle bars?

7/29/14
Marcus_Halberstram:
trade4size:

the guys on my desk and this isnt a joke were going to get a CHOPPER to go get some pizza from this place in Mass/CT cant remember where exactly.

How were they going to fit the pizza box between the handle bars?

a helicopter, smart guy. not a rearranged motorcyle.

7/29/14
trade4size:

I rarely if ever had to pay for coffee and if I did it was with their accumulated change. My Desk claims I made 5k this summer in change from coffee/breakfast/lunch runs. When you add up all the silly prop bets that I did make money on probably does add up to 5k tho lol. Was a great desk and an amazing summer that I will never forget.

On the Philly cheesesteaks..... the guys on my desk and this isnt a joke were going to get a CHOPPER to go get some pizza from this place in Mass/CT cant remember where exactly. They ended up deciding on L&B Spooconi Gardens in Brooklyn by Coney Island. 3 hours later and $384 dollars + car service later the pizza arrived. That was one hell of a day.

HAHAHA same thing with me and we got spumoni.

7/29/14

Just got on WSO, and it's actually very entertaining.

If you get coffee, get extras. Never know who's ass you have to kiss.

7/29/14

I'm really surprised and it seems shocking there are cheapskates who'd deliberately try and make an intern pay for a coffee they asked him to get for them. I certainly don't know anybody in work who would do that, indeed I'm pretty sure at least 9/10 people would do the opposite and give you enough to buy yourself one on them. Makes you think if you'd wanna work for tightasses like that. Then again I work in banking so I probably don't know the S&T mentality well enough to actually say what to do (I have a sneaking suspicion if I was an intern I'd end up not raising it as chances are somebody who is not paying is probably a bit of an ass and the type to hold silly grudges - you'd risk ending up permanently in their bad books for somehow "challenging" their over inflated ego)

7/29/14

S&T BB summer analyst last summer. They would always give me money to buy their coffees etc. But they did expect me to give them their change back, so I would always have to remember who gave me how much. There was this one VP who would never give me money in advance, so I would just pay for hers and then tell her how much it was. But she was kind of an ass and never ended up paying me for most of her stuff. I had a feeling she didn't like me anyhow, so after reminding her two times or so I just stopped. But other than that, I never had to pay for anyone's coffee ect. That would be pretty ridiculous in my opinion. A lot of times they would offer to pay for mine.

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On my desk they would take turns paying. I cannot remember a single time when I got money from 2 people.

"Oh the ladies ever tell you that you look like a fucking optical illusion" - Frank Slaughtery 25th Hour.

7/29/14

When I interned last year on a trading desk, I frequently went to get coffee, lunch and snacks for the guys on the desk. They always gave me cash or a credit card and told me to get something for myself as well. Whenever I attempted to offer to pay myself, they actually got somewhat annoyed. My guess is that you'll be given money if people ask you to go buy something. Frequently though I did go to places far away - they had a sandwich place in Little Italy, a soul food place in Harlem etc. that they liked and sent me to get food from.

One word of advice is that whenever you are headed out, always make sure to ask everyone around you if they want something so that you don't miss someone's order and/or get sent