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5/23/12

I'm gonna start off by talking about myself a little bit. I'm 16 years old and I'm a junior in a high school in the suburbs surrounding NYC (Long Island). I come from a working class family where we get by, but things can get pretty tight at times. I really have a strong interest in finance, and it's not just the money, I really find economics and finance very interesting,

I even have a virtual trading account and I'm beating all of the indexes significantly this year! I know a lot about the markets as well, because I follow them religiously and read about investing and business as much as I can; my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

I have really good grades right now and I hope I can get into a good College like NYU or even Wharton. Alright, I know that long term I would like to start and manage a hedge fund, but I don't know exactly what I should do after college. Should I get a job in IBD or maybe trading? Which one will help me with my long term goal of becoming a HF manager? Also what is compensation like for S&T? I hear that it's like $80k before bonus, but just how high can your bonus be? I like prop trading, but I doubt that's gonna be around long with all this crap the Obama Administration is implementing like Dodd Frank and the Volcker Rule. When it comes to work/life balance or hours, I really don't care at all as long as I'm making good money and learning a lot. I'd rather sacrifice my time while I'm young and I can handle it, so that I can enjoy the finer things in life in the future.

My plan for a while was this:
-Go to college and major in Finance, Math, Economics
-Hopefully land a job at one of the big banks, Goldman or UBS either as a trader or banker (still not sure which one!)
-Slave away for 2-3 years and then get an MBA
-Keep working at a bank or move to a HF. After doing this for another 5-7 years I would like to start my own HF when I'm in my low to mid 30s
-Then get crazy returns and grab a spot on the Forbes 400!

Ok, the last one might be pushing it a little bit, but hey, you never know!

I know that none of this will be easy and I will have to work really hard, but I'm willing to do whatever it takes because this has been my dream for a while now and I can't see myself doing anything else.

Comments (151)

In reply to GoW
Best Response
5/22/12
God of Wine:

coolstory, bro. tell it again.

I'm gonna start off by talking about myself a little bit. I'm 16 years old and I'm a junior in a high school in the suburbs surrounding NYC (Long Island). I come from a working class family where we get by, but things can get pretty tight at times. I really have a strong interest in finance, and it's not just the money, I really find economics and finance very interesting, I even have a virtual trading account and I'm beating all of the indexes significantly this year! I know a lot about the markets as well, because I follow them religiously and read about investing and business as much as I can; my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

I have really good grades right now and I hope I can get into a good College like NYU or even Wharton. Alright, I know that long term I would like to start and manage a hedge fund, but I don't know exactly what I should do after college. Should I get a job in IBD or maybe trading? Which one will help me with my long term goal of becoming a HF manager? Also what is compensation like for S&T? I hear that it's like $80k before bonus, but just how high can your bonus be? I like prop trading, but I doubt that's gonna be around long with all this crap the Obama Administration is implementing like Dodd Frank and the Volcker Rule. When it comes to work/life balance or hours, I really don't care at all as long as I'm making good money and learning a lot. I'd rather sacrifice my time while I'm young and I can handle it, so that I can enjoy the finer things in life in the future.

My plan for a while was this:
-Go to college and major in Finance, Math, Economics
-Hopefully land a job at one of the big banks, Goldman or UBS either as a trader or banker (still not sure which one!)
-Slave away for 2-3 years and then get an MBA
-Keep working at a bank or move to a HF. After doing this for another 5-7 years I would like to start my own HF when I'm in my low to mid 30s
-Then get crazy returns and grab a spot on the Forbes 400!

Ok, the last one might be pushing it a little bit, but hey, you never know!

I know that none of this will be easy and I will have to work really hard, but I'm willing to do whatever it takes because this has been my dream for a while now and I can't see myself doing anything else.

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5/22/12

Awaiting for the shit show to commence.

"...all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

- Schopenhauer

5/22/12

I can't do this anymore. I just can't.

I hate victims who respect their executioners

5/22/12

It's great that you're putting so much thought into your professional aspirations but please, for your own sake, enjoy the last summer of your life. Go talk to some girls or something. Go to the beach, I don't know. Oh, the things I would do to go back to high school... You won't appreciate it till it's over.

5/22/12

Here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, you are the sucker.

5/22/12
In reply to seabird
5/22/12
seabird:

Awaiting for the shit show to commence.

5/22/12

but seriously? Learn to program

Here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table, you are the sucker.

5/22/12

i'll bore you when you become successful

In reply to alphabravo89
5/22/12
bullbythehorns:

but seriously? Learn to program

This. If I could go back and give my 16-year-old self some advice, much of my career-related counsel would be "Look - go after finance if you want, but make sure you can program."

In reply to swagon
5/22/12
swagon:
God of Wine:

coolstory, bro. tell it again.

I'm gonna start off by talking about myself a little bit. I'm 16 years old...

Damnit, Swagon. I just laughed in a room full of people.

In reply to swagon
5/22/12
swagon:
God of Wine:

coolstory, bro. tell it again.

I'm gonna start off by talking about myself a little bit. I'm 16 years old and I'm a junior in a high school in the suburbs surrounding NYC (Long Island). I come from a working class family where we get by, but things can get pretty tight at times. I really have a strong interest in finance, and it's not just the money, I really find economics and finance very interesting, I even have a virtual trading account and I'm beating all of the indexes significantly this year! I know a lot about the markets as well, because I follow them religiously and read about investing and business as much as I can; my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

I have really good grades right now and I hope I can get into a good College like NYU or even Wharton. Alright, I know that long term I would like to start and manage a hedge fund, but I don't know exactly what I should do after college. Should I get a job in IBD or maybe trading? Which one will help me with my long term goal of becoming a HF manager? Also what is compensation like for S&T? I hear that it's like $80k before bonus, but just how high can your bonus be? I like prop trading, but I doubt that's gonna be around long with all this crap the Obama Administration is implementing like Dodd Frank and the Volcker Rule. When it comes to work/life balance or hours, I really don't care at all as long as I'm making good money and learning a lot. I'd rather sacrifice my time while I'm young and I can handle it, so that I can enjoy the finer things in life in the future.

My plan for a while was this:
-Go to college and major in Finance, Math, Economics
-Hopefully land a job at one of the big banks, Goldman or UBS either as a trader or banker (still not sure which one!)
-Slave away for 2-3 years and then get an MBA
-Keep working at a bank or move to a HF. After doing this for another 5-7 years I would like to start my own HF when I'm in my low to mid 30s
-Then get crazy returns and grab a spot on the Forbes 400!

Ok, the last one might be pushing it a little bit, but hey, you never know!

I know that none of this will be easy and I will have to work really hard, but I'm willing to do whatever it takes because this has been my dream for a while now and I can't see myself doing anything else.

I don't know why but that killed me

5/22/12

Are you serious? Programing? enlighten me

5/22/12

honestly, if you pump the brakes a bit things will come easier. if you plan your life out year by year and job by job, you'll just be depressed when there's a bump in the road or something like 2008 happens again. Ambition is great, but be flexible about your life. Instead of watching CNBC and Bloomberg, make bad decisions and enjoy your last few summers of freedom.

See my WSO blog

    "The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education." Albert Einstein
5/22/12

OP: one step at a time. Get into a top school first. We can talk later. Get out, get a girlfriend and travel a bit more. Talk to more people. You will see many people make their living differently.

"I am the hero of the story. I don't need to be saved."

5/22/12
CornerOffice21:

my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

"hey guys did you see that facebook IPO? analysts thought it'd be a huge boom but it's down like 10%!!! omg!!!"

"John, seriously, we get it, you like stocks and shit...no one cares dude"

In reply to swagon
5/22/12
swagon:
CornerOffice21:

my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

"hey guys did you see that facebook IPO? analysts thought it'd be a huge boom but it's down like 10%!!! omg!!!"

"John, seriously, we get it, you like stocks and shit...no one cares dude"

I said almost exactly that haha!

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/22/12
CornerOffice21:
swagon:
CornerOffice21:

my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

"hey guys did you see that facebook IPO? analysts thought it'd be a huge boom but it's down like 10%!!! omg!!!"

"John, seriously, we get it, you like stocks and shit...no one cares dude"

I said almost exactly that haha!

Not sure if serious

5/22/12

Patrick, did you just hire someone from #WheninFinance to post this entry? I don't know whether I should take OP seriously or not. It is only Tuesday, Patrick. I still have a long week to go. Spare me.

"I am the hero of the story. I don't need to be saved."

In reply to swagon
5/22/12
swagon:
CornerOffice21:

my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

"hey guys did you see that facebook IPO? analysts thought it'd be a huge boom but it's down like 10%!!! omg!!!"

"John, seriously, we get it, you like stocks and shit...no one cares dude"

...I need a LIKE button.. badly.. funniest quote

In reply to Texas Tea
5/22/12
ccrosb:
CornerOffice21:
swagon:
CornerOffice21:

my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

"hey guys did you see that facebook IPO? analysts thought it'd be a huge boom but it's down like 10%!!! omg!!!"

"John, seriously, we get it, you like stocks and shit...no one cares dude"

I said almost exactly that haha!

Not sure if serious

My friend said something about fb going public and he didn't know exactly what it meant so I explained it to him and said the stock sucks and it was down 10%.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

5/22/12

"I am the hero of the story. I don't need to be saved."

5/22/12

when you are accepted at a university that is a target and have successfully completed your first year, you can come back and re-start this thread.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

See my Blog & AMA

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/22/12
CornerOffice21:
ccrosb:
CornerOffice21:
swagon:
CornerOffice21:

my friends even make fun of me because of how much I know about business and investing.

"hey guys did you see that facebook IPO? analysts thought it'd be a huge boom but it's down like 10%!!! omg!!!"

"John, seriously, we get it, you like stocks and shit...no one cares dude"

I said almost exactly that haha!

Not sure if serious

My friend said something about fb going public and he didn't know exactly what it meant so I explained it to him and said the stock sucks and it was down 10%.

Still not sure

5/22/12

We're all getting trollololol'd

I hate victims who respect their executioners

5/22/12

Op if you were legal I'd be all over you

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

In reply to TonyPerkis
5/22/12
DeanPortman:

Op if you were legal I'd be all over you

What?

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

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5/22/12

Thought I was going to read about a 16 year old who started a Hedge Fund.

5/22/12

"Not to feel exasperated or defeated or despondent because your days aren't packed with wise and moral actions. But to get back up when you fail, to celebrate behaving like a human--however imperfectly--and fully embrace the pursuit you've embarked on."

-Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, ca 170 AD

Set a *direction*, not a goal, and keep plugging away at it. If you like finance, head in that direction, but focus on the here and now and the next steps and what interests you.

Now put that nose to the grindstone and start plugging away on the Econ AP summer project your teacher gave you.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
5/22/12
IlliniProgrammer:

"Not to feel exasperated or defeated or despondent because your days aren't packed with wise and moral actions. But to get back up when you fail, to celebrate behaving like a human--however imperfectly--and fully embrace the pursuit you've embarked on."

-Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, ca 170 AD

Set a *direction*, not a goal, and keep plugging away at it. If you like finance, head in that direction, but focus on the here and now and the next steps and what interests you.

Now put that nose to the grindstone and start plugging away on the Econ AP summer project your teacher gave you.

Thank you! Finally something positive so I'm not being completely trolled.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

5/22/12

My only goal at your age was to figure out what a vagina felt like....I'm not sure if I applaud you or pity you

GBS

In reply to BlackHat
5/22/12
BlackHat:

We're all getting trollololol'd

I came to that conclusion when he mentioned the Volcker rule. No highschooler knows what that is.

In reply to WSOusername
5/22/12
GoldmanBallSachs:

My only goal at your age was to figure out what a vagina felt like....I'm not sure if I applaud you or pity you

This kid doesn't have time for such shenanigans. Plus 100k and my left nut says he is jerkin it to Wall Street Money Never Sleeps right now.

In reply to Aldrich IV
5/22/12
Aldrich IV:

Thought I was going to read about a 16 year old who started a Hedge Fund.

this

5/22/12

UBS is a great bank? What the fuck? Troll.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

5/22/12

"I am the hero of the story. I don't need to be saved."

In reply to Human
5/22/12
Human:

Funniest thing I have ever seen! Made me cry. +1 if I had one.

In reply to Relentless101
5/22/12
Relentless101:
GoldmanBallSachs:

My only goal at your age was to figure out what a vagina felt like....I'm not sure if I applaud you or pity you

This kid doesn't have time for such shenanigans. Plus 100k and my left nut says he is jerkin it to Wall Street Money Never Sleeps right now.

LMFAO!

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to BTbanker
5/22/12
Connor:
BlackHat:

We're all getting trollololol'd

I came to that conclusion when he mentioned the Volcker rule. No highschooler knows what that is.

Yeah, they probably don't but I do because like I said, I have taught myself a lot about finance. I have a subscription to Forbes Magazine which talks a lot about this field, I visit all different investment websites like finviz.com, investopedia, CNBC, I pick up The Wall Street Journal a couple times a month.

As far as proving I'm in High School, there's really not much I can do there.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/22/12
CornerOffice21:
Connor:
BlackHat:

We're all getting trollololol'd

I came to that conclusion when he mentioned the Volcker rule. No highschooler knows what that is.

Yeah, they probably don't but I do because like I said, I have taught myself a lot about finance. I have a subscription to Forbes Magazine which talks a lot about this field, I visit all different investment websites like finviz.com, investopedia, CNBC, I pick up The Wall Street Journal a couple times a month.

As far as proving I'm in High School, there's really not much I can do there.

okay, well here's a tip for www.WSJ.com

Most of the good articles are locked since you aren't a subscriber, so if you copy the title and paste it into Google, you can read the whole thing. You can do this multiple times and WSJ hasn't caught on to it haha.

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/22/12
CornerOffice21:

I have a subscription to Forbes Magazine

Oh wow, I'm hard. Tell me more

In reply to BTbanker
5/22/12
Connor:
CornerOffice21:
Connor:
BlackHat:

We're all getting trollololol'd

I came to that conclusion when he mentioned the Volcker rule. No highschooler knows what that is.

Yeah, they probably don't but I do because like I said, I have taught myself a lot about finance. I have a subscription to Forbes Magazine which talks a lot about this field, I visit all different investment websites like finviz.com, investopedia, CNBC, I pick up The Wall Street Journal a couple times a month.

As far as proving I'm in High School, there's really not much I can do there.

okay, well here's a tip for www.WSJ.com

Most of the good articles are locked since you aren't a subscriber, so if you copy the title and paste it into Google, you can read the whole thing. You can do this multiple times and WSJ hasn't caught on to it haha.

Thanks, that's an awesome tip.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

5/22/12

Isn't it your bedtime? School night bud.

In reply to BTbanker
5/22/12
Connor:

Isn't it your bedtime? School night bud.

Why does everyone on here have to be such a dick? Do you really not believe I am who I say I am? I just thought I could get some advice and opinions from people who knew more about this than me, but all I'm getting is a bunch of assholes trolling.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

5/22/12

http://youtu.be/rW-67dLgazg

Even funnier than the Goldman Sachs video!

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

5/22/12

I'm just giving you a hard time, but these experienced guys will put things into perspective for you. Read all those posts starting at PennTeller's.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/ho-hum-to-he...

5/22/12

Your friends probably make fun of you for more shit than "how much you know about business"

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/22/12

CornerOffice21:
Connor:
Isn't it your bedtime? School night bud.

Why does everyone on here have to be such a dick? Do you really not believe I am who I say I am? I just thought I could get some advice and opinions from people who knew more about this than me, but all I'm getting is a bunch of assholes trolling.

First thing I learned about any finance related jobs, is to get a thick skin. If you think that people on WSO are being a dick, you are going to really love it when you realize that your MD is a psycho and will shit on you non-stop.

People are shitting on you because you sounds so pretentious as if you have worked in the industry.

Pop quiz: you've enrolled in and completed over a dozen financial modeling courses, you've networked with hundreds of bankers, and you've read every article on this site 5 times over.
How much do you know about the world of finance?

Nothing.

And if you walk into work the first day with an attitude that says otherwise, you'll be kicked out and thrown into a pack of wolves, or maybe a pile of corpses that crows are feeding on.

Come in with specific requests, like "working on cross-border China M&A deals" and you'll be out even faster.

Study as much as possible and learn all you can in advance, but never act like you "deserve" more than grunt work when you first start out.

Even if you do have a front office role, you're not generating any revenue until you actually bring in clients or make profitable trades and investments - which won't happen for years.

Forget that, and you really will know nothing.[/quote]

"I am the hero of the story. I don't need to be saved."

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/23/12
CornerOffice21:
DeanPortman:

Op if you were legal I'd be all over you

What?

you heard me

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

5/23/12

Bro, at 16 just enjoy this new and exciting thing called masturbation... and boobies. The rest is just noise for now.

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/23/12
CornerOffice21:
DeanPortman:

Op if you were legal I'd be all over you

What?

What a n00b

Eventus stultorum magister.

5/23/12

How much pu$$y have you gotten my man? Enjoy the raging hormones and slay whatever you can now, don;t worry about investing in stocks. Invest in chicks with low self esteem

Eventus stultorum magister.

In reply to Johnny Ringo
5/23/12
Johnny Ringo:

don;t worry about investing in stocks. Invest in chicks with low self esteem

SB if ever someone deserved one

I hate victims who respect their executioners

In reply to BlackHat
5/23/12
BlackHat:
Johnny Ringo:

don;t worry about investing in stocks. Invest in chicks with low self esteem

SB if ever someone deserved one

Every one of us should be doing this every night we go out..there is zero reason not to

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

5/23/12

Best tactic with girls with low self esteem?

Eventus stultorum magister.

5/23/12

first off your title fucked me over so i am pissed, you are not a fucking 16 year old hedge fund manager...........

also i dont give a shit about your family being poor, you should done aaaallloootttt more research coming into the question, dont try to pull the I am poor card.

also why the fuck are into being a hedge fund manager, you like modeling or do you like tech analysis?

I mean this is retarded i cant believe I am actually typing this now.....
My advice:
1) read monkey business
2) read liars poker
3) get in to an ivy

simple.... just dont ever comment here until then unless its pics of a hot family/relative FEMALE member...... thanks

I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,

Go Bucks!!

5/23/12

@Ambition You could have done more research on freshman year internships when you made your first post, as it was easily searchable. But experienced users decided to be gracious, since you were a highschool kid.

Advice to OP:

1.) Banking will be a dying industry for the next 10-20 years.
2.) Set a direction, not a goal. If you set a goal, you're going to wind up with something else. If you set a direction and work at it, you'll arrive at the goal you should have set.
3.) Learn to stop caring about what other people think. Especially the folks trolling you right now. It takes thick skin to work in this industry, and you're already getting a huge advantage by getting pummelled early.
4.) Don't define yourself by your school. Folks make it into this industry from Wharton as well as from Baruch College. I made it in from Illinois; a lot of the folks on the forums made it in from state schools. If you like finance, you tend to be thrifty. :D
5.) The trolls views are largely irrelevant. People tend to get pissed off when people set higher goals than what they believe is possible for their own selves. I will admit to being pissed off about millionaires whining about 15% marginal tax rates while I pay 45% in NYC making less money than them.

A lot of folks here are pissed that you believe it's possible for you to become a hedge fund manager. It probably isn't possible, but they don't know that. Then again, you don't know it's possible either. So live in the moment, avoid getting pissed off, be cheerful about hoping for what might be better, but also be content for what you already have.

You just got punched in the gut a number of times by a bunch of anonymous internet trolls, It hurts, but then you realize it makes you stronger and better. Good luck kid.

5/23/12

OP, is your hedge fund currently hiring? To sweeten the deal, I'll even buy you and your friends beer and cigs at the end of each week

GBS

In reply to Ambition
5/23/12
Ambition:

I mean this is retarded i cant believe I am actually typing this now.....
My advice:
1) read monkey business
2) read liars poker
3) get in to an ivy

I'd like to add onto this:
4) Subscribe to the Financial Times
5) Read Leveraged Sellout
6) Lie on your resume (don't do this)

I hate victims who respect their executioners

5/23/12

Chill OP. Just go with the flow, if you keep going like this, you'll end up like Bateman.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

5/23/12

This is the type of kid who will be successful. Keep it up!

In bussiness money creates and solves all problems.

5/23/12

He may be successful, he may not. His odds of becoming a hedge fund manager are probably about the same as most other 16 year olds; probably 1 in 100,000.

But let's not have sour grapes for a 16 year old highschooler.

5/23/12

"No, you are to transparent to be an intelligent person."

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

In reply to streetwannabe
5/23/12
streetwannabe:

"No, you are to transparent to be an intelligent person."

That's the best line ever, I think I used it on every ex girlfriend I've ever had

I hate victims who respect their executioners

In reply to Ambition
5/23/12

simple.... just dont ever comment here until then unless its pics of a hot family/relative FEMALE member...... thanks[/quote]

I agree....T&A!

Eventus stultorum magister.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
5/23/12
IlliniProgrammer:

@Ambition You could have done more research on freshman year internships when you made your first post, as it was easily searchable. But experienced users decided to be gracious, since you were a highschool kid.

Advice to OP:

1.) Banking will be a dying industry for the next 10-20 years.
2.) Set a direction, not a goal. If you set a goal, you're going to wind up with something else. If you set a direction and work at it, you'll arrive at the goal you should have set.
3.) Learn to stop caring about what other people think. Especially the folks trolling you right now. It takes thick skin to work in this industry, and you're already getting a huge advantage by getting pummelled early.
4.) Don't define yourself by your school. Folks make it into this industry from Wharton as well as from Baruch College. I made it in from Illinois; a lot of the folks on the forums made it in from state schools. If you like finance, you tend to be thrifty. :D
5.) The trolls views are largely irrelevant. People tend to get pissed off when people set higher goals than what they believe is possible for their own selves. I will admit to being pissed off about millionaires whining about 15% marginal tax rates while I pay 45% in NYC making less money than them.

A lot of folks here are pissed that you believe it's possible for you to become a hedge fund manager. It probably isn't possible, but they don't know that. Then again, you don't know it's possible either. So live in the moment, avoid getting pissed off, be cheerful about hoping for what might be better, but also be content for what you already have.

You just got punched in the gut a number of times by a bunch of anonymous internet trolls, It hurts, but then you realize it makes you stronger and better. Good luck kid.

Thanks, that's some great advice, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to become a Hedge Fund manager if I stay on the right track?

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/23/12
CornerOffice21:

Thanks, that's some great advice, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to become a Hedge Fund manager if I stay on the right track?

It's possible, but not a guarantee. Getting to that point requires a lot of work. Even if you get into a school like Wharton, that merely narrows the odds from 1 in 100,000 to maybe 1 in 10,000. Getting into a firm like Goldman Sachs merely only keeps those odds at 1 in 10K. There are a lot of things beyond your control in the whole process that can easily sidetrack you.

-There can be a war and you can be drafted. (1%)
-You may get fired after your first year due to things beyond your control and wind up at an insurance company. (5%)
-The 10,000 people in this country who are smarter and better at investing than you can decide to start up their own hedge funds and you may not get any capital. (80%)
-Some cataclysmic political, economic, or geological event could happen. (1%)
-You can decide that you enjoy hang gliding or something else more than working 90 hours/week. (50%)
-You can have kids and decide they're more important to you than your career. (50%)
-The market can change and the folks making money now won't be the same folks making money in 15 years (80%)

Do like Marcus Aurelius. Focus on the here and now, and try to be human.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
5/23/12
IlliniProgrammer:
CornerOffice21:

Thanks, that's some great advice, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to become a Hedge Fund manager if I stay on the right track?

It's possible, but not a guarantee. Getting to that point requires a lot of work. Even if you get into a school like Wharton, that merely narrows the odds from 1 in 100,000 to maybe 1 in 10,000. Getting into a firm like Goldman Sachs merely only narrows the odds to 1 in 5000. There are a lot of things beyond your control in the whole process that can easily sidetrack you.

-There can be a war and you can be drafted.
-You may get fired after your first year due to things beyond your control and wind up at an insurance company.
-The 10,000 people in this country who are smarter and better at investing than you can decide to start up their own hedge funds and you may not get any capital.
-Some cataclysmic political, economic, or geological event could happen.
-You can decide that you enjoy hang gliding more than working 90 hours/week.
-You can have kids and decide they're more important to you than your career.

Agree with IP, don't focus on a point on the horizon, just try to reach the horizon. The more you specify and pigeonhole your goals, the harder it will be to reach them.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

5/23/12

Eat da poo poo

I eat success for breakfast...with skim milk

In reply to Human
5/23/12
Human:

Patrick, did you just hire someone from #WheninFinance to post this entry? I don't know whether I should take OP seriously or not. It is only Tuesday, Patrick. I still have a long week to go. Spare me.

ha, swear it wasnt me dude...I don't know if this kid is for real or not. But maybe some another ambitious 16 year old will stumble on this thread and find the advice useful.

In reply to TonyPerkis
5/23/12
DeanPortman:

Eat da poo poo

Don't eat to many beans tho

p.s chris

In bussiness money creates and solves all problems.

In reply to IlliniProgrammer
5/23/12
IlliniProgrammer:

@Ambition You could have done more research on freshman year internships when you made your first post, as it was easily searchable. But experienced users decided to be gracious, since you were a highschool kid.

Advice to OP:

1.) Banking will be a dying industry for the next 10-20 years.
2.) Set a direction, not a goal. If you set a goal, you're going to wind up with something else. If you set a direction and work at it, you'll arrive at the goal you should have set.
3.) Learn to stop caring about what other people think. Especially the folks trolling you right now. It takes thick skin to work in this industry, and you're already getting a huge advantage by getting pummelled early.
4.) Don't define yourself by your school. Folks make it into this industry from Wharton as well as from Baruch College. I made it in from Illinois; a lot of the folks on the forums made it in from state schools. If you like finance, you tend to be thrifty. :D
5.) The trolls views are largely irrelevant. People tend to get pissed off when people set higher goals than what they believe is possible for their own selves. I will admit to being pissed off about millionaires whining about 15% marginal tax rates while I pay 45% in NYC making less money than them.

A lot of folks here are pissed that you believe it's possible for you to become a hedge fund manager. It probably isn't possible, but they don't know that. Then again, you don't know it's possible either. So live in the moment, avoid getting pissed off, be cheerful about hoping for what might be better, but also be content for what you already have.

You just got punched in the gut a number of times by a bunch of anonymous internet trolls, It hurts, but then you realize it makes you stronger and better. Good luck kid.

Valid point, I respect you and agree with you on some of the points, but dont disregard the amount of times of I have gotten shitstormed as well............. thats how it is , and it is good for you in fact.

I agree with you that we shouldnt be soo hyper critical but freshman internship questions vs i am 16 and want to be a hedge fund manager tell me how to do it type questions are very different......

OP, you are ambitious, smart (as you proclaim) and if the stars align for you, I hope you can advise us one day, honestly.

Also dont worry we all get shit stormed on stupid things we ask, but atleast your asking. One thing IP said is big, dont assume you are going to want to this 5 years from now. I personally have gone through what he has said, like big time. Before I was into IBD, but after learning a lot through the WSO guides and the site I figured out that I personally like working/building companies but I dont want to make investment decsions based on numbers.

So i am working on a tech startup and I can hopefully make that successful. I agree with IP and want to apologize to you OP. GL

I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed,

Go Bucks!!

In reply to Johnny Ringo
5/23/12
Johnny Ringo:

don;t worry about investing in stocks. Invest in chicks with low self esteem

The HBS guys have MAD SWAGGER. They frequently wear their class jackets to boston bars, strutting and acting like they own the joint. They just ooze success, confidence, swagger, basically attributes of alpha males.
In reply to TonyPerkis
5/23/12
DeanPortman:

Eat da poo poo

Real mature dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/23/12
CornerOffice21:

-Hopefully land a job at one of the big banks, Goldman or UBS either as a trader or banker (still not sure which one!)
-Slave away for 2-3 years and then get an MBA

So you would be slaving studying for an MBA but working 100 hours per week is fine and dandy?

I asked one of my classmates one time who thought he knew everything in business, I asked him, when he was doing a deal, how low would you want to keep your floatation costs?

He told me as low as possible.

Long story short, don't think you know everything and take things one day at a time.

Your ambition is great though. Keep it up you're gonna need it

In reply to streetwannabe
5/23/12
streetwannabe:

UBS is a great bank? What the fuck? Troll.

HA! +1

In reply to WallStreetOasis.com
5/23/12
WallStreetOasis.com:
Human:

Patrick, did you just hire someone from #WheninFinance to post this entry? I don't know whether I should take OP seriously or not. It is only Tuesday, Patrick. I still have a long week to go. Spare me.

ha, swear it wasnt me dude...I don't know if this kid is for real or not. But maybe some another ambitious 16 year old will stumble on this thread and find the advice useful.

I'm for real man, I'm 16 and everything on this post is true.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

5/23/12

Op, drugs my man. They go great with movies like "Weird Science" and "Troll 2".

I can't even remember what the honeys were diggin' at that age, but remember the 2 year rule. You should be targeting 14 year olds.

I just don't know what to tell you man, geez. Remember to leave the backdoor unlocked? Pizza's better stoner food than McDonald's? I'm struggling to come up with something...

Ok, the only mistake you can make at 16 is knocking someone up... there

In reply to Ambition
5/23/12
Ambition:
IlliniProgrammer:

@Ambition You could have done more research on freshman year internships when you made your first post, as it was easily searchable. But experienced users decided to be gracious, since you were a highschool kid.

Advice to OP:

1.) Banking will be a dying industry for the next 10-20 years.
2.) Set a direction, not a goal. If you set a goal, you're going to wind up with something else. If you set a direction and work at it, you'll arrive at the goal you should have set.
3.) Learn to stop caring about what other people think. Especially the folks trolling you right now. It takes thick skin to work in this industry, and you're already getting a huge advantage by getting pummelled early.
4.) Don't define yourself by your school. Folks make it into this industry from Wharton as well as from Baruch College. I made it in from Illinois; a lot of the folks on the forums made it in from state schools. If you like finance, you tend to be thrifty. :D
5.) The trolls views are largely irrelevant. People tend to get pissed off when people set higher goals than what they believe is possible for their own selves. I will admit to being pissed off about millionaires whining about 15% marginal tax rates while I pay 45% in NYC making less money than them.

A lot of folks here are pissed that you believe it's possible for you to become a hedge fund manager. It probably isn't possible, but they don't know that. Then again, you don't know it's possible either. So live in the moment, avoid getting pissed off, be cheerful about hoping for what might be better, but also be content for what you already have.

You just got punched in the gut a number of times by a bunch of anonymous internet trolls, It hurts, but then you realize it makes you stronger and better. Good luck kid.

Valid point, I respect you and agree with you on some of the points, but dont disregard the amount of times of I have gotten shitstormed as well............. thats how it is , and it is good for you in fact.

I agree with you that we shouldnt be soo hyper critical but freshman internship questions vs i am 16 and want to be a hedge fund manager tell me how to do it type questions are very different......

OP, you are ambitious, smart (as you proclaim) and if the stars align for you, I hope you can advise us one day, honestly.

Also dont worry we all get shit stormed on stupid things we ask, but atleast your asking. One thing IP said is big, dont assume you are going to want to this 5 years from now. I personally have gone through what he has said, like big time. Before I was into IBD, but after learning a lot through the WSO guides and the site I figured out that I personally like working/building companies but I dont want to make investment decsions based on numbers.

So i am working on a tech startup and I can hopefully make that successful. I agree with IP and want to apologize to you OP. GL

Thanks man, I really appreciate it and good luck with everything!

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to madmoney15
5/23/12
madmoney15:
CornerOffice21:

-Hopefully land a job at one of the big banks, Goldman or UBS either as a trader or banker (still not sure which one!)
-Slave away for 2-3 years and then get an MBA

So you would be slaving studying for an MBA but working 100 hours per week is fine and dandy?

I asked one of my classmates one time who thought he knew everything in business, I asked him, when he was doing a deal, how low would you want to keep your floatation costs?

He told me as low as possible.

Long story short, don't think you know everything and take things one day at a time.

Your ambition is great though. Keep it up you're gonna need it

I actually meant slaving away in banking, not during my MBA, although that probably won't be a walk in the park either.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to Tommy Too-toned
5/23/12
Tommy Too-toned:

Op, drugs my man. They go great with movies like "Weird Science" and "Troll 2".

I can't even remember what the honeys were diggin' at that age, but remember the 2 year rule. You should be targeting 14 year olds.

I just don't know what to tell you man, geez. Remember to leave the backdoor unlocked? Pizza's better stoner food than McDonald's? I'm struggling to come up with something...

Ok, the only mistake you can make at 16 is knocking someone up... there

Great advice, thanks bro!

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

5/23/12

What does all of this crap have to do with a 16 year old HF manager?

Follow the shit your fellow monkeys say @shitWSOsays

Life is hard, it's even harder when you're stupid - John Wayne

In reply to Tommy Too-toned
5/23/12
Tommy Too-toned:

Op, drugs my man. They go great with movies like "Weird Science" and "Troll 2".

I can't even remember what the honeys were diggin' at that age, but remember the 2 year rule. You should be targeting 14 year olds.

I just don't know what to tell you man, geez. Remember to leave the backdoor unlocked? Pizza's better stoner food than McDonald's? I'm struggling to come up with something...

Ok, the only mistake you can make at 16 is knocking someone up... there

The 2 year rule is sooo alive and well.

But in all honesty, to the OP: it's not THAT hard to become a hedge fund manager, depending on your definition of an HF manager. I'm sure you're dreaming of becoming the next Ray Dalio or whatever though, so chances are that won't happen to you. That doesn't mean it won't, and it doesn't mean you won't get your chance. There's tons of people in the HF industry and I'd venture to guess that anyone at a successful firm with good contacts, a strong track record, and 6-8+ years of experience could scrape together some capital from a bunch of institutions/other investors and get themselves a "hedge fund" sized AUM. That could be high 8 or low 9 figures, but it still counts. One day I hope to be the one at the top of the food chain making all the calls, and I'd imagine a ton of other people here do too, but I have a long way to go... and I'm 10 years older than you with plenty of time in the industry, so use that to think about how long of a way you have to go too. Have fun while you're young and think about that bullshit when you're my age.

I hate victims who respect their executioners

In reply to BlackHat
5/23/12
BlackHat:
Tommy Too-toned:

Op, drugs my man. They go great with movies like "Weird Science" and "Troll 2".

I can't even remember what the honeys were diggin' at that age, but remember the 2 year rule. You should be targeting 14 year olds.

I just don't know what to tell you man, geez. Remember to leave the backdoor unlocked? Pizza's better stoner food than McDonald's? I'm struggling to come up with something...

Ok, the only mistake you can make at 16 is knocking someone up... there

Thanks and good luck.
If you start a small hedge fund and consistently get good returns won't it be easier to get more AUM?

The 2 year rule is sooo alive and well.

But in all honesty, to the OP: it's not THAT hard to become a hedge fund manager, depending on your definition of an HF manager. I'm sure you're dreaming of becoming the next Ray Dalio or whatever though, so chances are that won't happen to you. That doesn't mean it won't, and it doesn't mean you won't get your chance. There's tons of people in the HF industry and I'd venture to guess that anyone at a successful firm with good contacts, a strong track record, and 6-8+ years of experience could scrape together some capital from a bunch of institutions/other investors and get themselves a "hedge fund" sized AUM. That could be high 8 or low 9 figures, but it still counts. One day I hope to be the one at the top of the food chain making all the calls, and I'd imagine a ton of other people here do too, but I have a long way to go... and I'm 10 years older than you with plenty of time in the industry, so use that to think about how long of a way you have to go too. Have fun while you're young and think about that bullshit when you're my age.

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/23/12
CornerOffice21:
BlackHat:
Tommy Too-toned:

Op, drugs my man. They go great with movies like "Weird Science" and "Troll 2".

I can't even remember what the honeys were diggin' at that age, but remember the 2 year rule. You should be targeting 14 year olds.

I just don't know what to tell you man, geez. Remember to leave the backdoor unlocked? Pizza's better stoner food than McDonald's? I'm struggling to come up with something...

Ok, the only mistake you can make at 16 is knocking someone up... there

The 2 year rule is sooo alive and well.

But in all honesty, to the OP: it's not THAT hard to become a hedge fund manager, depending on your definition of an HF manager. I'm sure you're dreaming of becoming the next Ray Dalio or whatever though, so chances are that won't happen to you. That doesn't mean it won't, and it doesn't mean you won't get your chance. There's tons of people in the HF industry and I'd venture to guess that anyone at a successful firm with good contacts, a strong track record, and 6-8+ years of experience could scrape together some capital from a bunch of institutions/other investors and get themselves a "hedge fund" sized AUM. That could be high 8 or low 9 figures, but it still counts. One day I hope to be the one at the top of the food chain making all the calls, and I'd imagine a ton of other people here do too, but I have a long way to go... and I'm 10 years older than you with plenty of time in the industry, so use that to think about how long of a way you have to go too. Have fun while you're young and think about that bullshit when you're my age.

Thanks and good luck.
If you start a small hedge fund and consistently get good returns won't it be easier to get more AUM?

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

In reply to CornerOffice21
5/23/12
CornerOffice21:

Thanks and good luck.
If you start a small hedge fund and consistently get good returns won't it be easier to get more AUM?

Not really. Institutions want to see your credentials. If you start an HF from your dorm room with 100k and turn it into $5mil you're not going to get an endowment to toss you $50mil and be your actual guinea pig. But if you've been at a $2b HF and you've been managing $500mil of that yourself with a few analysts working under you, you have something to show for it and your strategies are probably good to scale. Obviously there's exceptions but I don't see that rags-to-riches HF strategy as very plausible

I hate victims who respect their executioners

5/23/12

I can't believe this shit made the front page!!! Haha

5/23/12

If you start a small hedge fund: Yes, if you perform well with high Sharpe ratios, it will be 'easier' to raise capital. Someone else commented if you had a good track record and contacts with 6-8 years of experience, you could get high 8 figures to low 9 figures to start from institutional investors. Unfortunately, that isn't true anymore. Post-Madoff, start-up hedge funds are much more difficult to launch. If you can get a seed investment these days, it will usually be in the $75 million range and they will want to take about 25% of all top line revenues in perpetuity, from your fund.

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Mmmm yes.....Excellent

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