Canadian Business Schools!
In Canada, what are the target schools for Investment banking?
Here's my list..
Schulich (York U)
Rotman (U of T)
Richard Ivey (UWO)
Queens b- school (queens U)
any additions or subtractions?
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McGill.
Addition. Subtract the rest.
To my knowledge, the I-Banks
To my knowledge, the I-Banks recruit at all of the schools you listed. You should also look at McGill as I'd rank it on par with U of T. I know for a fact that Lazard and Macquarie recruit from McGill and not at all the other schools. The BB's and Canadian banks will typically spend a day at each school interviewing around 15 resume-screened students and then select the best for the second round at their head office in Toronto. With a decent resume and average at any of these school's you'll get an interview, beyond that it's about your competence, not your school.
Which school is best is a matter of debate and preference so there's no definitive answer, but I'll give you the general sentiment.
Queen's and Ivey generally lead the way with top ranked MBA programs that reflect on their undergrads. Queen's is four years of business giving them a decent base of knowledge in all disciplines by the time recruitment comes around vs. Ivey's two. However, Ivey is equally tough to get into and students don't have class during recruitment which gives them an edge. U of T is OK but it has much larger class sizes and they force a large proportion of students at the bottom of the class out into Arts and Science; something that isn't advertised. Schulich is a great program in an otherwise poor school that's located in a particularly dangerous part of Toronto so you're dodging dealers on your way to class. McGill is alright but you're in Quebec...
What's your reason for asking?
In short: 1) Ivey 2/3)
In short:
1) Ivey
2/3) Queens/McGill
4) Schulich
5) U of T
This is undergrad only.
use search function
use search function
ahem...Laurier
ahem...Laurier
mcgill isnt prestigous, in
mcgill isnt prestigous, in some circles, concordia b school is considered better
Laurier
OK program and I know some graduates that have done well but it's not in the same league.
I think, strictly speaking
I think, strictly speaking for investment banking, it's really between Queen's and Ivey.
However, there are pros and cons to each of these programs. Queen's gives you 4 years of solid business/finance education taught by the highest ranked MBA professors in the country, so you know what you're doing coming out. On the other hand, the alumni network in the investment banking industry isn't quite as strong as it is at Ivey, so you would have to work a little harder to get your network up. Ivey has 2 years of business that is still a very high ranking program, but the alumni network is what really makes it. Historically, I read somewhere that Ivey kids don't do as well once they get the job compared to Queen's so I think it just depends on where you're going to want to put the effort.
Queen's = more effort in networking and actually getting the job
easier to perform well on the job
Ivey = easier to get the job because of alumni in investment banking
more effort put into actually learning the skills you'll be using at an investment bank
Concordia > Harvard, definately
mcgill isnt prestigous, in some circles, concordia b school is considered better
So you have a 4.0 from Princeton and work as a third year associate at a hedge fund? Let me guess, you were so smart, that you were hired directly into GS's PIA/SSG group and then moved to Citadel/DE Shaw/Perry Capital because you were "so smart" that GS just didn't have enough future potential for you?
...more like a Concordia graduate who works in accounting
What about MBAs? You never
What about MBAs? You never hear Canadian MBAs spoken about in the same breath as the big American or even European schools. Is it because they don't place as well?
Queen's MBA was # 1 in the
Queen's MBA was # 1 in the world outside US by Business Week.
spot on, VCmonkey
spot on, VCmonkey
Are you sure?
Queen's MBA was # 1 in the world outside US by Business Week.
Higher than INSEAD?
Yes
Yes, higher than INSEAD and all the rest.
List of recruiters at Ivey
List of recruiters at Ivey (not all, only finance):
FINANCE
Allstate Insurance Company of Canada
American Express
Barclays Capital
BDO Dunwoody LLP
Berkshire Securities
Blackmont Capital Inc.
Blair Franklin Capital Partners
BMO Capital Markets
Canaccord Adams
CIBC Bank
CIT Financial Ltd. Canada
Citi Smith Barney
Citibank
Cormark Securities
CPP Investment Board
Credit Suisse
Creststreet Capital Corporation
DBRS Limited
Deloitte (Audit, Tax & ERS)
Descartes Global Asset Management Ltd.
Desjardins Securities Inc
Deutsche Bank
Diversified Global Asset Management
Drug Royalty Corporation Inc.
Dundee Securities Corporation
Ernst & Young LLP
Evercore Partners
Export Development Canada
Fidelity Investments
Fox-Pitt Kelton Cochran Caronia Waller
GE Capital Solutions
GE Commercial Finance
Genuity Capital Markets
Goldman Sachs & Co.
Greenhill
Haywood Securities, Inc.
Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin
HSBC Financial
Investors Group Financial Services
JP Morgan
K J Harrison and Partners
Kilmer Capital Partners
KPMG LLP
Lazard Corporation
Loewen & Partners Corporate Services Inc.
London Capital Management
Macquarie North America Ltd.
Manulife Financial
FINANCE - CONTINUED
Maple Leaf Capital
Mawer Investment Management Ltd.
Merrill Lynch Canada Inc
Middlefield Capital Corporation
Morgan Stanley
National Bank Financial
Neal, Pallett & Townsend
Ontario Teachers Pension Plan Board
OPAX Investments Inc.
OPSEU Pension Trust
Orion Securities
Pembroke Management Ltd.
PricewaterhouseCoopers
Raymond James Ltd.
RBC
ReichmannHauer Capital Partners
RSM Richter (Accounting)
Scotia
Scotts Real Estate Investment Trust
Standard Chartered Bank
State Farm Insurance
Taconic Capital Advisors, LLC
TD Canada Trust
Tech Capital Partners
Tri-Artisan Partners LLC
Tristone Capital
Ubika Corporation
UBS
Union Square Advisors
Wells Fargo & Company
Westwind Partners Inc.
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I would post the financial
I would post the financial corporations that recruit from Queen's but the list would be too long :)
Here's a link if you want salary information and a list of ALL the recruiters that go to Queen's (including finance-related jobs)
http://business.queensu.ca/recruiting/docs/BCC_Annual_Report_Commerce.pd...
Saw something interesting
Saw something interesting today while poking through files at work...apparently, my bank has rankings of 15 Cdn. b-schools by priority (high, medium, low) and also how they believe those schools are being recruited by American banks and buyside firms.
I can get the list for anyone who wants -- PM me.
brisbane, surely you
brisbane, surely you jest.
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wrong again
mcgill isnt prestigous, in some circles, concordia b school is considered better
Hahaha. Everytime i hear this same idiotic comment its from a disgruntled Montreal local (local because no one outside the city has even heard of Concordia) who applied to McGill Management and John Molson (Conc.) and didnt get into McGill, just their crappy 'refugee camp' of a school and now they trash talk about McGill.
What’s the difference between a JM student and a MM student? They both applied to McGill, but it turns out that the 70% high school average was good enough for JM only.
Concordia is a Tier 3 school
Concordia is a Tier 3 school according to my bank's list -- in the same bucket as USaskatchewan. It's complete garbage. The only "circle" that Gaza University (as I like to call Concordia) is more prestigious in is for al-Qaeda recruiting.
rofl, It's absolutely
rofl,
It's absolutely ridiculous to have even included Concordia and McGill in the same comparison. Concordia is a joke, whereas McGill is an extremely prestigious school. Maybe you should try and look at employment ratings, the average needed to get in, and recruiters and then you'll figure out just how "tier 3" Concordia really is.
Concordia sucks ass
Concordia sucks ass
I'm not kidding
What is Concordia? Where is it?