Mod Note (Andy): Throwback Thursday: this was originally posted September, 2012
Guys, I'm back from four days spent recruiting at our top targets. Thought I'd share with you how a ballsy college junior with a 3.2 GPA and no internships who met me at an employer information session was able to skip straight to final rounds.
That's right: she figured out how to skip the resume screen, the phone screens, the first-round OCR, and the rest of the process we design so carefully to weed out all but the most competitive talent.
First, she was tidy, friendly, and professionally-dressed. She waited for the first wave of post-session aggression (see my last post for a description of the EIS hustle) to ebb away. She then stepped right up, shook my hand, and said, "I need advice. Could I have a moment of your time?"
She had a great deal of confidence, spoke to me as an equal, mirrored my attitude and mannerisms, firm handshake. And you guys know me, I'm a sucker for giving advice. So I say, "Sure, shoot." She says, "I'm 21. Everyone's telling me to go to X or Y but I don't have enough data to make an informed decision. Were you ever in this position? And if so, what advice might you have for me?"
You'll notice she's underlining our similarities and inviting me to relate to her problem. Also, and this is critical: since X and Y were not things that my firm does, she was inviting me to sell her on why my path is the best way to go.
This is an exploitable bit of Wall-Streeter psychology. Wall Street careers are full of tough choices and big regrets. As you guys know, exit opps are everything... but eventually you have to choose one opportunity from the huge menu of stuff available to you. And that choice will define everything from there on out.
In order to feel okay about their career paths, mid-career people spend a lot of time explaining to themselves why what they're doing is the best thing they could be doing with their lives. As a result, they think everyone would want to do exactly what they do... if only they knew all the excellent reasons for doing so. Reasons that they are eager to share if asked.
So when she asked, I slipped instinctively into client service mode. Walked her through my career and the reasons for my choices. As if she were a client, I explained to her why we were the best solution for her needs. Like Pavlov's dog, I even found myself wanting to make the sale. At that moment I didn't really question why I was working so hard to sell her on it, but if I had, I'd have rationalized my behavior by saying that she was obviously a rock star.
I asked for her resume. Her response: "I'm all out of resumes. It's been a long day and I didn't really expect to be talking to you tonight." So I give her my card and ask her to email me the resume.
By the time the resume gets to me, all our first-round slots are filled. Her resume is borderline and unexceptional: 3.21, double major, no related work experience. No wonder she didn't want to hand me her resume right there at the EIS. It would have been an auto-ding.
And clearly, she's not the usual candidate for fast track treatment. But something about her manner stuck with me. And the note attached to her resume tells a little more of her story and asks for detailed advice and info from my own background, and she's facing a challenge I once faced, so I write her an encouraging three-paragraph response outlining how I handled the challenge and where I ended up.
And now, since I've spent half an hour already on this one candidate with whom I'm starting to identify, what do you think I do with her sub-par resume? I throw it out, right?
I've already done enough to help her, after all. There are stronger GPAs out there, people who are much more definitive about wanting to do what we do. We can't afford to spend this kind of time on everyone with her numbers and background. We can't afford to bring in every 3.21 with no internships to speak of. End of the line for her, right?
Nope. Because the skills she's just showed me are the skills that might just get her through second rounds... and they are also the skills that support long-term success. But honestly, it's because after our two interactions, I just like her. It's that simple.
I forward her email to the HR person running second-rounds with the following note:
"This candidate's much stronger in person than on paper. We're full up for first round slots from this school. Do me a favor -- would you phone screen her this week? If you agree, let's consider talking to her for second round."
Bam. 3.2 GPA and no internship: straight to final rounds. Because she knew how to trigger my sales/service mode.
What do you guys think? Did I get scammed? Or did she deserve a pass to the front of the line?
send her up
You got scammed. This goes against most of your advice in prior thread. Other than her friendliness, she gave no indication that she can impress your bosses. What is she going to talk about with your bosses if she has no internship or experience? You're just rationalizing why you went out of your way to help her. Sorry.
That's exactly right. Hopefully it offers a helpful insight or two.
The insight I perceive is that you saw yourself in her. Though I thought you didn't favor girls. This is contradictory to your prior post and therefore misguiding. You wouldn't have reacted the same way if the subject was a male.
Sometimes, you just get lucky and someone says to themself "For whatever the reason, I like them, I'm hiring them."
Perhaps she just used her personality to win your heart, but it's just part of the considerations for employing a candidate. How about her real skills, related knowledge and is she really qualified?
Seriously? Sorry, but sometimes nature favors the Darwinist anomalies. This might be one of those times. It's not like she took some other qualified candidate's spot. The most she will do is waste half-hour of HR's time, big deal.
Agreed.
Reminds me of the fact that getting a job is like negotiating with a boss or client. You need to sell them that it is their idea and not reject their idea straight out, even if your idea is better.
Exact same method of disagreeing with a boss on a topic and giving him an idea. Do same thing and sell that the idea is his and he buys right into it if it is a good idea.
She makes you feel good by asking your opinion and makes you see everything from her view and ends up having you convince her why she should join.
Never really thought about those tactics on a job interview, but I sure wish I knew them a few years back.
Yep, that's why I'm sharing them with you guys.
Also good to remember: time that the interviewer spends selling you on why their firm is so great is time during which you are immune from fucking up.
also good for when the question comes, why this firm.
if she has no internship experience, she doesn't have much experience with interviews. I would have crammed her into the first round slots to let her experience an actual interview... You spoiled her in my opinion.
This happened to me via networking in the UK. The, also female, banker couldn't follow through on the ability to skip first rounds / online rounds though.
I think you can only tell if you've made the right call after seeing how she does with final rounds, as obvious as that sounds. Hopefully she does right by you and crushes it!
this is stupid
The script of corporate theater leaves out that crucial detail for entertainment purposes.
The rationalization is made all that much more intense by the fact that, given her subpar resume and her skipping the first round, you have spent an incredible amount of political capital on her. You want to believe that this trade is not as risky as it seems, that the downside is not that much, and that the upside is much more assured than it actually is.
When you say no experience, do you mean primarily no prior banking experience? What about prior experience in the financial industry?
It goes without saying that the direct, straightforward approach she exhibited to you spoke well of her inter-personal skills and general ability to communicate. But, somewhat understandably, you overweighted those variables given the availability bias (you had no other criteria on which to form your initial impression of her). It was a gamble and it could work out but it may not.
Perhaps you're biased towards the female variety given that they are fewer and farther between on Wall St. 3.2 and no experience? You just plain liked her? I don't see how this story provides any takeaways for those trying to fight for jobs. Rather, I view it as a necessarily elaborate attempt to rationalize her selection in the case that she fails come game day.
Malcolm Gladwell wrote a piece very similar to your experience. He then backed it up with research and concluded that first impressions mean A LOT.
http://www.gladwell.com/2000/2000_05_29_a_interview.htm
Honey, she outfoxed you. Women have a knack for your weakest link -which was selling your employer -women also empathize better than men do. Your own mind made you feel sorry for her (instead of the knee jerk reaction of throwing away her file)-Essentially you've FAILED YOUR JOB this time around. NEWSFLASH: Employer Bank Needs to Fire Bankarella ! -Just kidding.
We're all allowed to fail, aren't we ?
If I had your job, I would sometimes make an exception or two to the rules, but based on different reasons than you did. After all, I've always stood up for the underdog-being one myself.
If that guy or girl ends up being shit in IBD at least they are smooth enough to do S&T seeing how he/she got you to pass him/her to a 2nd rounder. But ya I have to agree with other people, your stone/ice heart went soft this time.
You didn't get scammed. Just because she/he had a 3.2 doesn't mean they can't get the job done and be a rock star at your firm. Being able to interact, get along, with fellow employees is critical when you're working 80 hour weeks. You're not doing rocket science.
I genuinely cannot imagine a woman saying "sure, shoot" as a response to anything unless they happen to work at a firing range. Maybe its something particular regional thing but everytime I read your (bankerella) posts I get the impression of
from the james bond films, then it becomes very jarring when I read the name of the poster. Just me?
Anyhoo, I did in fact like the post, but it seems to me that she got very lucky talking to you rather than anything special that she did. So perhaps the moral of the story is to choose your target wisely.
Interesting. Your profile says you're from Ireland, so maybe it's a regional thing. Where I'm from, someone might say, "I got a question," and you might say, "Shoot," or "Fire away." ("Shoot" is also a euphemism for shit, as in "Aw, shoot, my truck done bust another tar.")
I guess the jist of it is, we got a lot more guns over here in Amurica than you fellas do over in Euro-land or Ireland or whatever place it is where folks talk funny and vote Communist. So I ain't surprised y'all don't talk too much about shootin.
Ha, I wasn't having a go, I even said I liked the post! Dunno if its a gun thing, I would say fire away to someone if they wanted to ask a question, but if a woman were to, it would sound weird. The PC version: you have a gender neutral writing style. Now you have an extra thing to put on your CV.
Since banking is a sales function and this candidate was the only person there who effectively sold to you, I think you did exactly what you should have done. This is someone who has the ability to move up in the world and not someone who is doomed to being an Excel monkey for the rest of their career. Nicely done.
Also, to those complaining that Bankerella got scammed: maybe learning from the student who employed effective sales techniques to get what he/she wanted would be a better way to think about this situation. Sales skills are important to getting what you want...develop those skills.
Was this for full time or summer internships?
That 21 year old girl is me
Did you really get the fasttrack because of poise and confidence, or scissoring?
Bankerella,
1) Admit it, you're a dude in disguise. All your posts are dude-like
2) How senior are you that you are able to get interviews just by emailing HR?
1) By that mark, this board must be 80+% women, because most of what I read here sounds like it came from a pussy. (By the way, based on one of your posts last week, you may be interested in hearing my thoughts/observations on crashing other schools' career fairs. I actually changed my stance on this due to some stuff I saw this past week, and I'll be posting my informed opinion on when/how to do it soonish.)
2) Yes, I'm extremely senior; thanks for kissing my ass. But you don't have to be that senior to get someone to second-rounds. It's true that dozens of people every year get to second rounds because I email HR... but there are also analysts and associates who have the power to do the same thing. It's called being a first-round interviewer.
Also, to be honest, the name of the school plays a significant part. This was a Very Good School. If this same candidate had been from a crappy state school that we don't visit, there would have been zero chance.
sounds like she played you well... good for her.
Bankerella does have a very butch persona....could be a "trap" maybe?
I mean, that's the point of WSO. You can drop the social pretenses.
Here's what you're talking about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Female_Eunuch "Greer argues that men hate women, and women don't realize this so they are taught to hate themselves"
Jesus dude, toss that noxious crap. I've read both Goebbels and Germaine Greer, and I fight it hard to decide which one engages in more misrepresentation.
hahaha. Curious to hear B's thoughts on the matter.
Good, good goyim...
Good, good goyim...
Reason 5000 why I love the way my firm does interviews.
The comments here, most likely from Ivy League economics majors of Indian decsent who spent their freshman and sophomore summers working unpaid in Delhi financial sweatshops kissing Punjabi ass, are green with envy. A somewhat subpar candidate with a pair of kahunas perfected his pitch and got his reward.
What's not to like about this thread?
This topic was completely ruined, even though it could have been an excellent topic of discussion. Thanks guys.
Bankerella did the right thing and the student is to be commended.
Good story. I have done the same in the past and will do it again.
I bet you this person ends up getting an offer and is top bucket material come next year. Then when they are a rockstar they will have one of those random "I never even wanted to do banking, or thought I could get in" story one day. Lot's of people in this business showed up at the right place, right time and had to do one thing and that is PERFORM.
Cue enimem music.
Hello, hello ! What an insane turn this discussion has taken, GMATs & GPAs, Testosterone & C-level crap.
@Bankarella
Bottom line, you've fallen for one of the oldest tricks in the book. When people don't know anything, are at a loss and/or don't wanna talk about something (like themselves), they will ask the other party-which was yourself-to talk. Which you did. People employ this trick in many situations, every day. It doesn't take a high GMAT: it's basic psychology. Candidate=1, Bankarella =0.
@SirTrades
Ergo, your conclusion is wrong. This is not a candidate that displayed "sales" or "soft" skills which of course are required in that career. The girl acted out of instinct (not from a playbook, In this case) to hijack the interview process to her advantage. If you don't believe me, I wanna hear from other actors WHO HAVE DONE/ACHIEVED a similar effect. I repeat, it happens in every day life.
I am sorry to say that Bankarella did not act out of altruism or compassion of any kind, (as perhaps, an individual like myself would have acted). Re-reading the story she couldn't give a shit about somebody from a crummy state school. She's not about helping anybody without the pedigree. She doesn't help the underdog.
CONCLUSION: Next time Bankarella comes to your school and she talks to you, wear a headband or a hat that says "I'm with stupid"
Hah, you got me there. Just as it's easier to find good analysts at top schools, it's also much easier to help people from top schools. That's why we go there. Because the marginal kid with the 3.2 from HYPS beats the pants off the marginal kid with the 3.5 from Moo U.
Last time I tried to help someone I knew from a nontarget (albeit an elite private nontarget), the kid completely futzed the in-person interview. So fucking embarrassing. I call him up and say, "So what happened?" He says, "I guess I just got nervous."
Kid was completely unprepared for real life. Unacceptable. You can be 21 on your own time; what I want to see when I walk in the room is someone who is 21-going-on-35, client-ready, plug and play, needs no coaching. Not that you're gonna see clients in your first year, but you will be hanging with a bunch of low-patience MDs. And the job market is in my favor -- I don't have to take people unless they're 95% perfect. If you're only 80% perfect, I can afford to hold out for someone better.
And if you're really thinking about your career the way you should be, by the time you're 21 this whole thing should be old hat to you. Stress interviews should make you laugh.
What the fuck are you kids doing in college besides interview prep and internships, anyway? Are you guys not aware that you're expected to earn your own keep next year? Fuck gender studies and comparative literature; if you want a job in IBD, I'd strongly suggest you major in Get a Job studies.
Good lord, living under all these self-help-like paradigms shouldnt be fun at all. On the other hand I picture you more like Tina Fey on 30 Rock and less like your "success for dummies" persona. Basically the lesson is to try to play on the potential inteviewer's insecurities.
Dang... Noticing the determination and assuming that she's not a dike... I'd do her anyday...Assuming that she is not ugly too... Fierce women -> great sex lololooolo
Was expecting some kind of inspiring story that I could gain something out of. Now I'm just annoyed how retartedly selective big banks can be because the demand for those jobs far exceeds the supply. She has a shitty GPA, no internships, didn't even have a resume on hand at the employer info session because she hadn't planned on attending it, has no idea whether she even wants the job, but she deserves to skip to the final interview round because you like her? Rather than filter on target school, GPA, and other erroneous shit, why don't you just filter your candidates based on the compatibility of your astrological signs?
Good
I think he has a point. You have such strict objective criteria to filter resumes, as is your right and as is fair in a very competitive economy. But, you toss all those aside instantly for something that is so, so subjective. It leads to the obvious question - What is the value , the use , or even the credibility of your filtration process , if it can be set aside so easily?
halo 3
I want to repost this again for good measure. I think it explains what Bankerella went through pretty well.
http://www.gladwell.com/2000/2000_05_29_a_interview.htm
Here's an excerpt:
"This wasn't so very different from the experience Nolan Myers had with Steve Ballmer, the C.E.O. of Microsoft. Earlier this year, Myers attended a party for former Microsoft interns called Gradbash. Ballmer gave a speech there, and at the end of his remarks Myers raised his hand. "He was talking a lot about aligning the company in certain directions," Myers told me, "and I asked him about how that influences his ability to make bets on other directions. Are they still going to make small bets?" Afterward, a Microsoft recruiter came up to Myers and said, "Steve wants your E-mail address." Myers gave it to him, and soon he and Ballmer were E-mailing. Ballmer, it seems, badly wanted Myers to come to Microsoft. "He did research on me," Myers says. "He knew which group I was interviewing with, and knew a lot about me personally. He sent me an E-mail saying that he'd love to have me come to Microsoft, and if I had any questions I should contact him. So I sent him a response, saying thank you. After I visited Tellme, I sent him an E-mail saying I was interested in Tellme, here were the reasons, that I wasn't sure yet, and if he had anything to say I said I'd love to talk to him. I gave him my number. So he called, and after playing phone tag we talked—about career trajectory, how Microsoft would influence my career, what he thought of Tellme. I was extremely impressed with him, and he seemed very genuinely interested in me.""
This kid also "tricked" the CEO of Microsoft just like this girl tricked Bankerella. Perhaps some of you should start thinking critically instead of resorting to ad hominem attacks to Bankerella because she is a woman.
Bankerella, you didn't get scammed. It's not like she lied about anything that's written down on paper. She might have manipulated you a bit, but that's what charisma is all about. I have a question, though. Is your story a well known one? Or did this work out with her just because she found the right person with whom her personal story struck a chord? If your story is well known, she worked you from the beginning--and that's not to say that she wasn't genuinely interested in what you had to say.
Also, good school and great people skills? No reason to think that she wouldn't be a star analyst. GPA's just a hurdle.
Christ, this is like throwing chum into the water. Bankerella, if you really want to go out with a feminist, I know three girls from college who are now grad students at Berkeley. They would love to take you up on your offer.
Just do me one favor. When you're both basking in the after glow, and she talks about how men have ruined the world and caused the financial crisis with their naked penis-centric pursuit of wealth, tell her that the Credit Default Swap was invented by a woman. (That's true actually)
Ooh. Do you happen to know their GREs and work history? I would love to make this happen. And, naturally, post the conversation (audio only) for the enjoyment of you gentlemen.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA ... Work history. I mentioned that they're grad students at Berkeley. Actually, I think one of them wrote for Jezebel at some point. One interned at Google Adwords.
Who cares about hating anybody? My question is, can you bang feminists without the benefit of Germaine Greer? I'm thinking I can use my cluelessness about Greer's, uh, body of work as a benefit, so they can feel good about teaching me and showing me the light. But I gotta admit, going in blind, I see how that bet could turn against me real fast.
Maybe a more important question: is it a red flag that I'm a woman over thirty and don't know anything about feminism?
And a last, utterly burning question: do I get free rein to objectify and/or use these feminist chicks if I have a vagina? If I get accused of being misogynistic and/or predatory, can I just say, "I have a vagina, QED"? Because that's how I've always done things, and it works on dudes, but I don't know how it would work with a feminist.
If I want to sleep with a feminist, I should probably figure out what it takes to get their approval, right?
I'm kinda stunned that all you guys are discussing Greer. I actually do feel a little insufficient now, since I have never (to my knowledge) read a single feminist work. If this is something actual working professionals care about, maybe I ought to put in enough time to be minimally conversant.
Can anyone point me to someplace (on the internet, please) to study up?
who was that one guy that left wso that use to debate wtih teh anom make i think he is her
Do you feel angry? Do you feel the fire in your belly? Do you want to join the struggle? Arise, woman and throw up champagne ..errr .. I mean throw off your chains. You'll fit in just fine.
You're aggressive and eager to learn. I think you have that going for you. Sure, you may be unskilled at what they want but you'll more than make up for it in enthusiasm. I'm picturing a puppy trying to get peanut butter out of a chew toy.
Actually, they might want some sort of "rein" over you (made out of vegan leather , of course)
I can. But do I want to? No.
What the fuck happened to this thread?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-r9of0QmrUAg/TedQjFRiFvI/AAAAAAAAAi0/z0tLSPkk9…
In this thread: a maladjusted middle aged woman blocks the crippling loneliness by scuffling with children on an internet message board
Bring on the silver bananas.
Uh, sure. Did I miss something? Are we not there yet? Because a bunch of the chicks I know are pretty liberated by that measure. Yeah, so I did meet a lot of them in b-school, but you can't tell me that there are no douchy, foulmouthed women in the world outside of the M7 schools.
Do women really not feel free to do these things?
More importantly, who's gonna stop them? Is there some kind of societal punishment reserved for the women who do these things? And if there is, did I just somehow escape it or did I just not feel it?
Well, the lack of popularity and possible social ostracism for one. We do kind of get on women who are open about fucking a lot of guys, no denying that.
Eh.. what do I know? I'm not part of the solution remember. I have a cock. I'm part of the problem
Reminds me of when I was a bartender at "ye bucket of blood" years ago. Bar lady (and she was some lady) could just as easily kick someone's ass and hook up with the other bar girls...or clean up nicely for church or a work event, she even got married after a while, and you'd never know what she did with her Friday nights. GOD I miss those days.
Two questions:
a.) Where do you find all the time for these lengthy posts and responses? Are you sure you don't work in IB HR?
and b.) Were you at Princeton last week? If so, PM me.
Yep, I'm sure I don't work in IB HR. The day I become overhead rather than a revenue producer, someone should put me out of my misery.
Usually I find time to read WSO between turns to the more junior people. Sometimes, like many of my more senior peers, I procrastinate and douche around on the internet rather than doing what my juniors would like me to be doing, which is reading their shit before 5 PM so they can get out of the office at a reasonable hour. Right now, post-travel, I've spent yesterday and today essentially unstaffed. Rare treat.
I'll never understand why some of you choose to go back and forth with bankeralla. Must be a turn on that you're arguing with a banker.
I don't really feel the need to throw any proof your way, my friend, but I frequently go on the record saying I'm off the market and have been that way for a while. Got everything I need and want on tap. Whole package.
Why is it so important to you to believe that I'm unsatisfied with my life? Personally, I think I lucked out and have it pretty good.
Well, I'm on a sick day coughing up mucus, and I can't go outside. So that's why I'm posting so much in this thread. But seriously, I started this discussion talking about getting Bankerella here in a lesbian fling with some feminists I know from college. It got pretty entertaining for a while till UFOInsider showed up with his humanist bullshit. And look at where the fuck we are. (Next time grandpa, save the moralizing for Sunday school)
Bankerella , time for you to put in your dollar, err seventy five cents and take this conversation somewhere else
First and most essentially: you guys amuse me.
Not so much the actual children, but the ones in between child and professional. I enjoy watching all of you junior douches struggling to grow up into the gigantic douchebags you've always wanted to be.
Me, I know I couldn't have done it without the proper role models. And I was lucky to come of age in a different time, when douchebags were praised and idolized rather than jailed and protested against.
But due to the fact that we're currently at something of a historical low for free and open douchebaggery, the current generation lacks these role models. You may not know it, but you are all in danger of becoming a lost generation, of growing up and joining a Wall Street with no notion of taste, prestige, achievement, class background, or the rightful and time-honored divisions between the stupid and the rich.
So that's why I'm here. To do my little part, to teach and to give back, so that the culture and freedoms that we Wall Streeters hold so dearly don't become bad words in the mouths of the next generation.
Well, my 75 cents is this.
This candidate did four things well:
Remember the Douchebaggery Remember the Bottle Service Most of all, Remember the Titans
I will never forget.
When I was an N1, a departing N3 gave me his prized $10k bottle service receipt, saying, "I won't need this where I'm going. I want you to have it." The man was a legend and a verified rock star. He'd drawn a top-bucket share of three of the biggest bonuses Wall Street had ever seen, all before age 25.
Some years later I heard a middle-bucket (at best) N2 bragging about picking up a $2k tab. So I left the $10k receipt on his keyboard. Never heard the kid brag much after that. But if I recall correctly, his performance did pick up.
You get the last word, Bankerella, since my posts and other supportive posts have been censored.
I left disappointed because I expected so much more content....
Hey, mods. Whoever took down expenseaccounts' posts should consider putting them back up. If being a little shit were against the rules, we'd have barely any users.
Also, I'm the only one that he was really trying to shit on, and I wouldn't dish it out if I couldn't take it. Let's strike a blow for free and honest douchebaggery and republish his posts. Thx guys.
Thank you, Bankerella. While it's awfully convenient that mods have participated in a ploy that gets you Noble Points for calling the posts back, I'll take it. Especially after I was selectively edited out for "inflammatory" posts while they left GS's comment calling UFOinsider "Uncle Fucknut" and suggesting penile enlargement pills were making him retarded.
As it is, it's obviously awkward to continue. I'm out, but you know what I'm talking about, Bankerella.
Thank you, mods.
It amazes me exacly how narrowly defined and fragile some of the kids' concept of reality is on this site. Outside the gilded halls of fancy colleges and moving huge amounts of money around (what this entire industry basically is), there is a whole range of personal, political, and life experiences that they just don't fully grasp. If it annoys, enlightens, or otherwise shocks, well, that's not even my point, so I don't know what to tell anyone.
As for bankerella: ok, I'll be that guy: were you crushing on this girl? Because that was my immediate reaction. I'm merely asking a question, and definitely not looking to assign a value assessment on this.....I'm curious.
Yep. That was a super-douche move, I know, but I wasn't going to turn down the noble points. I don't get a lot of opportunities this good. Now I look fucking awesome, and like you said, it's just too awkward for you to continue to shit on me. Although if you want to try, I promise you at least one SB.
Feeling very satisfied now; my work here is done. Time to reward myself with a hour on Facebook while not answering emails from my new analyst.
Nope. Done. There's really no good way to continue, and if this isn't in the playbook for dealing with hecklers, it should be.
There's too many idiots here to really go for something cutting or biting, I thought it was all going quite well. But seriously, post less and do something like mentor real people/go to wine tastings/whatever VPs should be doing more. And lose the gold star, if you can.
Second reason to get you fired [the first one, of course was picking that wonderful candidate]
Hahahahaha. You've never been a banker. Favoritism and slow response times are critical success factors.
Stay in school AS LONG AS YOU CAN
Sure, I put my name on mentor lists from time to time. Sometimes we even meet. But real life inhibits real mentorship. It's too formal and too fraught. The gaps between our positions and our identities get in the way. Advice that comes attached to my name and my face has to be the kind of advice that I wouldn't mind my boss hearing come out of my mouth.
It just doesn't work.
Secondarily, I firmly believe that the internet is the appropriate place to train up young douchebags. It was an extremely douchy place before all the women in novelty sweaters started showing up and posting pictures of lolcats everywhere and being all super-supportive about each other's weight loss journals. You young ones are our future. I will not let the lolcats have you without a fight.
So, expenseaccounts, I believe in you. Screw the mods. You may have to douche smarter, you may have to douche differently, but the day you let someone stop you from douching altogether is the day you have turned your back on the dream.
This is gold. This whole thread was by far one of the most amusing things I have read. Bankerella teach us how to be you.
Then you're not cut out to be a mentor. I'm surprised nobody asked the question whether you've had a mentor. You've obviously drawn upon some resources at the time [read: stealing left and right] like a good chink.
In all humility, I totally agree. This douchefest was better than my average. Then again, I wasn't really staffed, so I had a little additional bandwidth to put behind it.
you were scammed.
rethink the situation. 3.21 gpa, no relevant work experience
anyone else could do the same shit she did but DONT, why? because life is fucking unfair and people understand there arent shortcuts in life. and asking people (you) to explain their career paths shouldnt be a reason to get a superday.
kudos to her for slipping by you tho.
In my defense, I didn't mean Uncle Fucknut in a disrespectful way. I was taught to give great deference to my elders
PS Citadel also has a mentorship program. As if anyone there needed help being a douche.
You guys are delusional.
What's all this talk about fairness and meritocracy in banking? As a business model, the major wall street bail-out banks combine some of the worse aspects of old boys networks and state corporatism/crony capitalism. What makes you think recruiting would be any different? There are unwritten rules and things that you can manage apart from getting a high GPA/GMAT. To neglect this is to ignore the way the system works.
I have to hand it to the HR/Campus relations departments of these banks. It's as if most wide eyed undergraduates think banking is a bunch of scientists in financial laboratories trying to figure out how to make the financial system solve humanity's problems.
Anyway, it's not like being nice to your interviewer and getting them to identify with you is the worse thing to happen in the ethical "race to the bottom".
Flexible. If you think she has qualities that can add value she should be given a shot. It's all about the fit.
We rate flexibility very highly among our female candidates
There is a borderline between manipulation and maliciousness. She obviously did her homework and knew how to weave her way into an interview based on her strategic actions. However, I do think you made the right choice. Individuals with traits like that are "rock stars" and just because she doesn't have an outstanding GPA or internships doesn't mean she is not qualified, it may mean that she just woke up to reality and is ready to get down to business. Whether or not her manipulation skills will lead her into non-ethical decisions is unknown, but if you got a good vibe from her you may not have anything to worry about.
Man, WSO is one to get off of the topic. And well. Good post.
So??? Did she get the job???
On a scale of 1-10 how attractive was this girl, I'm sure this had a lot to do with it.
Lucky, but that the way it works sometimes. Definitely not the status quo
@Bankarella - do you even work on Wall Street or are you trolling this website? This is the second post I've read that has made me come to this concluding question.... On Wall Street, the top performers (even top at conversating with the recruiters) are all part of the process of getting in. This interaction abvoe is in no means my idea of effective recruiting and if you really do work at a bank, you are probably a terrible analyst.
This is very typical banter of most of the people I work with. I work middle office in a well know firm. This girl is like the .01%. The track most people are on that frequent this sight does give you the best odd of succeeding. The problem that you fail to realize is that being likable is way more important than your GPA/target school will ever be. Don't study your whole career. Get out make embarrassing moments and learn how I tell a story that captures your audience. These skills will be the backbone of getting promoted since your work is already top notch.
Did she get the job? I think she deserved that pass to the front of the line which you gave, but getting an offer is another thing.
So, did she get the job?
what a crock of fucking shit, op is pathetic and lonely as fuck
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