Interview with Credit Risk Associate (Part 2/2)

INTERVIEW/Q&A TUESDAYS: The following is an interview from earlier this year with Credit Risk Associate Pirho (he is also available to answer your questions)
See Part 1 Here

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General Advice

  1. What is the one tip you would give to current students (ugrad and/or grad students) to help them succeed?

    Work on your presentation and communication skills. I interview so many kids with great resumes that can't say what's on their mind or convey an idea coherently that it's kind of disturbing.

  2. What are some tips for moving up and becoming “the boss” (i.e. a department head / managing director / partner)?

    Everyone that I see making it far is generally well-liked and treats people with respect. This doesn't mean that if someone is screwing up that you can't say something, but it's definitely better to offer advice and guidance in that situation than to just tell someone that they suck and need to do better. I would also have to go back again to communication skills. You almost never see a senior executive that isn't awesome at presenting and speaking their mind in general.

  3. Any specific cold-emailing or cold-calling tips you can pass on?

    Try to say something non-generic and pointed to the individual you are emailing. Try to somehow get your personality through in your email/call. If someone's sounds boring or doesn't catch my eye in some way, I'm probably just going to delete the email without thinking twice. I don't like phone calls, and know a good number of people that don't also. Email is probably better, and don't be afraid to be a little persistent. Most bankers get so many emails that they'll totally forget you sent them something last week.

  4. Any specific networking tips you can pass on?

    Let your personality come through. Don't be generic and boring. Try to ask pointed questions and have an idea of what's going on in the world. It's insane how many kids I'll talk to in college that don't have ANY idea of what's going on in Europe or in the stock market.

  5. What is a memorable experience you have of how someone got your attention? (for networking / internship / job purposes)

    I had a sophomore at a networking event a little while ago ask me about the updated Liquidity Coverage Ratio under Basel III and what that meant for banks in various countries. He didn't even really have an idea what it meant, but it just showed me that he was at least paying attention to FT/WSJ/something and connected that it would probably be relevant to a bank analyst. He got an interview for internships with risk and I got him one with capital markets due to it. He'll be in DCM this summer.

  6. What are unique things college students and young-professionals can do to separate themselves from the crowd?

    Like the kid in the previous example, ask pointed questions that show an awareness of how current events connect to the person you're talking to. Not only does this show you're paying attention to the world, but it also shows that you can connect the dots with that information. Telling people things about your interests and how they connect to banking can also make you stand out if you have a good story.

  7. What are some ways (in general) someone could best prepare for an upcoming internship or ft job at a firm like yours?

    Have a basic understanding of the various businesses the company is in and ask questions at the interview about what you don't understand in that preparation. Have a good grasp of current events that are affecting the specific group you are interviewing with.

  8. What is your opinion on gaining relevant experience at a lesser known firm vs. working for a brand name firm (with less relevant experience)?

    I think brand name firms are better to an extent. If the deals you are working on are very small, people won't take it seriously sometimes just due to the dollar amount. You also may be working on/analyzing clients that are small enough to not even really be comparable to anything that a brand name analyst would be working on. Working at brand names can help give you a sense for the clients and businesses that are important and what drives a relationship, even if you're not developing skills that are as relevant.

  9. What do you look for in a potential intern candidate?

    Some accounting and economics background. The ability to explain to me what everything on your resume means without any of it coming off as BS. Some knowledge of current events and some interest in what it is that I do.

  10. What do you look for in a potential entry level hire?

    Basically the same things as I would look for with an intern, only at a higher level. I would also expect a better level of understanding of banking and financial analysis (not even specifically bank analysis) and stronger communication skills.

  11. What are your favorite interview questions you like to ask potential new hires?

    I always ask people what their favorite class in college was and why. Many kids have no interest in what they are studying, and it can really show. I also love making up fake events to ask people about to see if they'll try to BS me or not.

  12. What are some of the worst mistakes you’ve seen people make in interviews?

    Related to the previous question, BS'ing me about knowing something about some regulation or election or something that I complete pulled out of my ass. I always like when people show humility in an interview and are willing to admit that they don't know something.

  13. If you review resumes (or have in the past) - what are some of the most common mistakes you’ve seen?

    A lot of simple formatting mistakes or inconsistencies. Shows a lack of attention to detail. It's also really obvious sometimes when people are making up fluff to fill space. I'll usually grill the living shit out of someone if I think they've over-embellished a previous experience..

  14. If you review resumes (or have in the past) - what is something someone can do to make their resume stand out among the crowd?

    This is tough, but can also be simple. Just having something that's formatted well, explains you're various experience without going into a ton of detail, and doesn't look like you're trying too hard can be the most impressive. Obviously this can be a tough balancing act. It's often a “you know it when you see it” kind of thing.

  15. What are your thoughts on this statement: “Wall Street is a more meritocratic place than most. If you are a young person and you have good ideas, people will often listen to them, if you are in the right role” ?

    Agree for the most part. Obviously, egos and politics get in the way in some places / with some people, but at my firm, I believe this statement is mostly true.

  16. Any other interesting stories or wisdom you would like to share with the WSO readers?

    Not really, but feel free to ask questions.

 
Best Response
cakepie:
When I interviewed with risk I got the feeling that each group is very narrow. Obviously this makes them closer to experts in their respective areas, but do you ever feel pigeonholed into a smaller field than you would ideally like?

Not anymore so than you would be "pigeonholed" in IBD or ER. FIG is somewhat like this in nature, as is RE, but I think for typical corporate coverage, this isn't really an issue. You might cover a specific industry (oil/gas, energy, healthcare, etc), but the skills are similar across those groups.

 
JamesHetfield:
Hello,

I am interning in Operations at a BB this summer. I have no interest in working in Ops and that specific bank for FT.

Is there anything I can do to improve my chances of getting a FT offer in the Middle Office. By that I mean Credit Risk, Treasury etc?

Thanks,

Network, network, network, and make sure your technical skills are top notch.

 
cqxu:
Am I the only one that finds it comical that the one response which cites attention to detail has two periods at the end? (not the interviewee's fault obviously)

Definitely a great set of recommendations that I will likely follow very soon. I really didn't expect anyone to make up fake events to fact check though...

Heh, nice catch. To be fair, I had just typed out a ton of answers at that point and didn't really feel like proofreading.

To clarify a bit on the fake event thing, I do this (and know a few other people who do it too) because I want to work with people who I can trust to say "I don't know" if they don't know. Banking has the unfortunate tendency of attracting people who don't like admitting they are wrong / don't like saying they don't know something. If you make a decision based on something your colleague BS'd you on, that can be a major problem.

 
Teldar Paper:
Hey Pirho,

Great Post! I'm older (30-35) and would like to know if you would consider someone in my age group. I'd like to have a shot at the type of role your in right now (I'm currently a risk analyst in fleet leasing) but I'm unsure as to how banks view someone in my position.

Thanks

Typically, analysts/associates are hired relatively freshly out of college/grad school. I'm not sure what a risk analyst in fleet leasing entails, but if it is financial statement analysis of corporations, then maybe the transition could be done, but if it's leasing to individuals, then possibly a mortgage underwriter or something in auto lending is more realistic.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience. As someone looking to break into risk, your tips definitely help a lot.

A quick question though, how does credit analysis defer between financial institutions and that of their corporate counterparts?

 
dxdx:
Thanks for sharing your experience. As someone looking to break into risk, your tips definitely help a lot.

A quick question though, how does credit analysis defer between financial institutions and that of their corporate counterparts?

It's completely different. Simply put, for corporates, you're focused mainly on the adequacy of cash flow to cover necessary payments, whereas with FIs, their business is cash (or cash-like things), and the analysis is much more based on the balance sheet. For example, with a bank you do what's called a CAMELS analysis, which stands for Capital, Asset quality, Management, Earnings, Liquidity, and Sensitivity to markets.

 

great 2-part q&a. I have a q.

How much would you say the background of the members of your team differ from the country risk team? From what I see via linkedin or hear through my network, a lot of country risk people at banks and corp treasuries might not have mba/finance backgrounds but are from a combination of government (Treas, State, IC etc) and schools like SAIS, SIPA, KSG, Gtown MSFS. Within various risk management tracks, are country risk team members usually the most 'soft' when it comes to technicals?

 
voetbalwizard:
great 2-part q&a. I have a q.

How much would you say the background of the members of your team differ from the country risk team? From what I see via linkedin or hear through my network, a lot of country risk people at banks and corp treasuries might not have mba/finance backgrounds but are from a combination of government (Treas, State, IC etc) and schools like SAIS, SIPA, KSG, Gtown MSFS. Within various risk management tracks, are country risk team members usually the most 'soft' when it comes to technicals?

Country risk people have somewhat of a mixed background at my bank. Some with a credit/risk background, but some have more of the background you describe (Fed, World Bank, IMF, grad school in econ, etc).

 

Hi, I'm going to start my freshman year of undergraduate college next year, and I was wondering what activities/internships stands out to an interviewer. I know that when applying to college when you're in high school, admissions at the colleges look for things like grades, extracurriculars, SATs, etc but what do you interviewers look for? And as far as internships go, when would I be able to land internships at banks- sophomore year, junior year? Would a law internship count for any work experience if I'm applying for a bank internship- an alumni of the college offered me a part-time internship at his law firm.

 
y2jerichoy2j:
Hi, I'm going to start my freshman year of undergraduate college next year, and I was wondering what activities/internships stands out to an interviewer. I know that when applying to college when you're in high school, admissions at the colleges look for things like grades, extracurriculars, SATs, etc but what do you interviewers look for? And as far as internships go, when would I be able to land internships at banks- sophomore year, junior year? Would a law internship count for any work experience if I'm applying for a bank internship- an alumni of the college offered me a part-time internship at his law firm.

There's a lot of threads on this on WSO and I don't really have anything more to add to them.

 

Thanks for the list! Would you recommend either reading current news to start or reading introduction books such as (guide to financial markets- marc levinson).

I have a Portfolio Management Program in my school thats extremely competitive to get into and I have my interview in 2 weeks. I am caught up either focusing on reading books to understand the theory, vocabulary and to show my interest in gaining my knowledge or to simply read WSJ, Yahoo Finance, Bloomberg on a daily basis etc.

I try to do both but I work 8am-6pm without many breaks so I have to allocate my time properly.

D.Weiss
 

Do you primarily work on other banks when doing your credit reviews? Or do you also evaluate insurance companies, specialty/consumer finance, etc?

On another note, what opportunities do you see for yourself in the future? Do you enjoy working with FIGs or hope to jump to another industry or role (as in ER or CR)?

People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for freedom of thought which they seldom use.
 

Mostly banks, but sometimes I'll do a finance company or a gov't-related entity (usually development banks). Our FIG area is large enough that the insurance guys focus solely on that, as analysis of those is really different from anything else.

I like FIGs, I could see myself possibly trying to move into a Treasury or ALM type role at a bank. I think equity research would also be pretty interesting. Could also see trying to go to KBW/Stiffel or a similar shop (Flowers).

 

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