2021/2022 Hedge Fund Comp

I saw an older thread on mid-year 2021 comp that seems to have died. Wonder where people are coming out on comp this year.

Strategy

YOE in HF

YOE in IB/PE

Base + Bonus and bonus structure

Fund performance

Edited: moving my stats to comments and setting up a structure up top


 

Make this a separate thread guys. Absolutely no one cares about entry level macro HF recruiting in England. No one, at least on this thread. This thread was made to compile HF comp data points, and it's a helpful thread for A. people who work in the HF space, B. people who plan on joining / recruiting for it. A high school kid asking basic macro / s&t recruiting questions that can be found anywhere on the internet and subsequently sparking 23 replies detracts from the thread. If you are struggling that much, gee maybe just make a new thread...?

 

3 YOE, 1 in IB, 2 in L/S, in risk taking seat. TC: 475k cash. Avg/decent year.

 

dude its cap this guy works in PE + cmon 500k stub lol

 

how many years of experience? also guessing your fund had a breakout year?

 

how big/lean is your fund, ballpark? would you say 1mm is base-case comp in a mediocre year after 7+ years at the same shop, with upside case comp being multiples of that?

 

gotcha. so guessing in order to see upside >2mm as an analyst, you need to be good performer at a top l/s fund?

 

I have stayed so long in this seat precisely because I know things like... there's no upside to me in providing that answer to the competition.

Snark aside, one can still have 'attributable P&L' without managing a sleeve.  Taking it a step further, it'd be efficient to pay someone less than their attributable P&L is worth to you.  

 
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If this is true seems like a huge outlier … sr. LO seats tend to be 500k-1MM. 1MM+ for all-stars.  950K seat WITHOUT risk sounds like the best risk adjusted comp of all time. Unless he's defining risk differently than I am (risk=PM? Sr. Analyst seats should be considered risk-taking positions..). 

 
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I think you are more normal range, there is massive selection bias here where people with good/ great comp post on the thread, but those with average comp generally do not.

For eg. probably 30-40% of analysts at MMs every year get 0 bonus because the pod doesn't make money so there is no bonus pool.. but when did you last see someone post that they got 0 bonus here... I never saw it.

 

Curious was this your best year comp wise? Also does your shop run lean (> 500mm per IP)?

 

We do everything from credit perspective. Doing more equities than historically given smaller opportunity set in credit atm.

Yes was highest so far in my career, last year was closer to 700k. If I become a proper senior analyst, I think the people in those roles at my firm (early to mid 30's) are closer 2-3mm (maybe 4 this year given performance).

 

will share in public. if you perform well and get into the carry pool, you should expect probably 3-5 percent of the fund's carry pool for a partner type role. if you are in model with direct attribution/risk, you might get low/mid single digits percentage of the p&l, which is roughly 20% of the incentive fees on the p&l you generate (if you get 4%, then 4% / 20% = 20%)

however, while that's market, you are also at the mercy of your PM's generosity. usually they won't pay you more until they've already made a lot of money

 

YOE: 1.5, 1st calendar year was a stub.

Strategy: DC/SS

TC: 290k 

Performance: Upper half

 

Random question, but why are people very wary of saying the company they work for when meeting them in person? I know I'm probably gonna get shit for asking this question, but I promise it's a genuine question

 

Because there’s no upside in doing so. Do you even HF? 

 

You guys should check out the “Where Do You Live In NY And What Do You Pay In Rent As A Jr. / Sr. HF Analyst?” thread on HF forum. Everyone there seems to be balling in the 500k-1m range in their late twenties. That’s the sense I got at least.

 

How much do you guys negotiate comp, if at all?  I fear I am drastically underpaid. 
 

 Revived $270k all in last year at an NYC credit fund. Was my 5th year (straight out of undergrad), not in a risk tasking position.

waiting on this year’s numbers.  

 

What AUM? What kind of fee vehicle credit? That could be in line depending on those factors. It's hard to just compare as everyone wants to compare themselves to the next step up

 

Maybe not useful to you since I'm less experienced, but I'll just add in what I know from my network.

If you are at a run of the mill CLO manager or something like that and you aren't in the office 60+ hours a week, I'd say your pay is a little on the low side, but about in line with market.

 

So how is your comp structured at your new position as APM/senior snalyst ? Do u get a percent of your own pnl? Bonus structures vary so much across the industry specially at senior levels that it would be nice to get some insight on in vs say bonus structures at the junior level where its more discretionary 

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$100 million family office in the mid-west with 3 IPs.

1.5 YOE

250k 

 

We focus on equities. For all those interested, comp last year was around 150K. I wouldn't want to risk being identified by my coworkers so wont divulge any further information. 

 

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