Deutsche Bank Team

Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here, and I was hoping to get some insights from people familiar with Deutsche Bank’s Investment Banking division.

In your experience, which sector team within DB’s M&A group is considered the strongest or most reputable?

I’m particularly interested in understanding the team culture, deal flow, and overall exposure to transactions, but any perspective would be extremely helpful.

Thanks in advance!

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, Deutsche Bank's M&A group has a strong reputation in certain sectors, particularly in Germany and the broader EMEA region. Here's a breakdown of insights:

  1. Strongest Teams:

    • M&A in Germany: This is often highlighted as one of DB's strongest areas, with a terrific reputation for deal flow and execution. If you're considering working in Frankfurt, this could be a top choice.
    • REGL (Regulated Industries) and LDCM (Leveraged Debt Capital Markets): These are considered the "crown jewels" of DB, with strong deal flow and expertise.
    • Healthcare: Another sector that stands out for its strength within DB's M&A division.
  2. Deal Flow:

    • DB has historically been strong in Europe, particularly in regulated industries and sectors requiring deep local expertise. However, in the U.S., the deal flow can be more group-dependent and may not match the volume seen at top-tier U.S. banks.
    • The bank has been focusing on consolidating its operations in EMEA, which has helped it maintain a strong presence in its home region.
  3. Team Culture:

    • Culture at DB can vary significantly by team and location. In some cases, the culture has been described as intense, with long hours typical of M&A. However, certain teams, especially in Europe, are known for being collaborative and supportive.
    • In the U.S., there have been mixed reviews, with some teams facing challenges related to restructuring and reduced investment in the IB franchise.
  4. Exposure to Transactions:

    • DB's M&A teams in Europe, particularly in Germany, offer excellent exposure to high-profile transactions. Analysts and associates in these teams often gain significant experience working on complex deals, which can be a strong foundation for future career moves.

If you're considering DB, focusing on their strengths in EMEA and regulated industries could provide the best opportunities for growth and exposure. Let me know if you'd like more specific advice!

Sources: Top groups at BOFA London, What Field Are You And in What Broad Region?, What Field Are You And in What Broad Region?, Guide to LA IB Scene (2023 Edition), Thoughts on Barclays in 2020

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For sector teams Industrials and TMT, but as mentioned above if interested in a product group LevFin is quite strong

Need to be mentioned that the hours in the named teams are considerably worse than in other teams

 

If this is London office - DB gets slandered here a lot, but i would say they have some decent teams in Europe that are active with good deal flow

  • Industrials, absolute sweatshop but well regarded
  • FIG - see them very active on some mid-market deals
  • ECM /Corporate Broking - Numis acquisition imo was smart, definitely see DB being more active across UK ECM
  • Not sure how LevFin and TMT are doing, but historically they were strong teams alongside industrials

Don't have many friends at DB, but do think they're performing fine

 

Industrials particularly strong in Services, head of the team is a real rainmaker. The rest is meh
TMT Software is also solid. The director there is killing it.
Avoid healthcare at all costs. No deal flow, bad culture

 

If you’re a summer intern - best to contact interns from last years cohort via LinkedIn, they are often willing to help and give a realistic description of the teams

 

Just in case it hasn’t been said enough avoid healthcare like the plague. KPMG has better exits. Most toxic group of seniors I’ve ever met in my entire life. You’d be better off Stifel or Northwestern Mutual

 

The two best teams by far are TMT and industrials with top deals as well as top exit opportunities. Hard work obvs as one would imagine but great culture, have been working with both of them on numerous deals

 

I’ve heard TMT has lost their main MD and have been struggling to close deals recently, it may not be as strong as it was before

 

Can someone explain the DB (legacy) and Numis situation? For example legacy DB Industrials had/has a great rep and the DB Numis UK team has a decent rep for Industrials. Have the two teams been merged or are they operating separately - keen to get a view on this if anyone has any insight

 

Work separately on different floors/buildings so not very integrated as do not work (rarely) on same deals ie juniors + seniors only work within DB / Numis deals and not cohesive (heard different culture across both as well so completely different vibe)

 
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I know several people who currently work at Deutsche Numis, and the consistent feedback is that the franchise still operates quite separately from the rest of Deutsche Bank.

Historically, the Numis and wider DB teams were based in different buildings. Since last year, they have been brought together under one roof, but they remain on separate floors. The intention was presumably to improve integration between the teams and cultures, but from what I have heard, this has not really happened. Deutsche Numis still has a distinct culture and generally keeps different working patterns, including arriving earlier than the traditional DB teams.

Organisationally, Deutsche Numis is now positioned as the UK Investment Banking team. It does occasionally collaborate with DB’s broader EMEA industry teams, particularly on UK mandates. However, the dynamic is generally that the EMEA sector teams support Deutsche Numis on UK deals, rather than Deutsche Numis bankers being regularly staffed on the wider EMEA teams’ mandates.

The most important point for analysts is that Deutsche Numis is currently doing very little genuine M&A execution. UK M&A work is largely handled by Deutsche Bank’s EMEA M&A team. At Deutsche Numis, the junior experience is therefore much more heavily weighted towards corporate broking, UK ECM and listed-company advisory.

You may have some exposure to UK M&A mandates and collaborate with the relevant sector or M&A teams, but you are unlikely to own much of the modelling or the core execution mechanics. In practice, you may contribute company or market knowledge without getting the same end-to-end transaction experience that you would receive in a dedicated M&A or EMEA industry team.

There has also been significant attrition across the platform, particularly over the past six months. The UK FIG team has lost several junior and mid-level bankers, including a long-standing VP who moved into asset management, an analyst who lateralled elsewhere and an AS2 who went on a long-term sabbatical. There have also been associate departures from Business Services and Industrials.

The Consumer team experienced particularly heavy turnover last year, with much of the team leaving. More broadly, a number of stronger Deutsche Numis analysts have lateralled either into DB’s EMEA M&A team, other EMEA industry teams or external firms.

This has also affected senior leadership. Alex Ham left last year, and the head of UK M&A subsequently announced his departure.

Overall, I would not currently describe Deutsche Numis as one of the strongest places within DB for an analyst or summer analyst seeking traditional investment-banking execution experience. It may still be attractive for someone specifically interested in UK corporate broking, public markets, ECM and listed-company advisory. However, anyone primarily looking for modelling-heavy M&A experience and broader cross-border deal exposure would likely be better placed in DB’s EMEA M&A team or one of its main EMEA industry groups.

 

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