GS Group Rankings UPDATED
Wondering if people can provide insights into the group rankings at GS, exits etc. From what I have gathered from multiple forms, the following is what the group rankings typically look like but not 100% if this is accurate so let me know
1. TMT
2. FIG
3. IND
4. HCARE, CRG
5. NR, CMG, RE
6. Financing Groups
Stupid exercise but appears directionally correct if you really want to rank jobs in IBD at GS lmao.
Mostly agree although I'd put CMG at the very bottom
Lol CMG catching strays from this man on every thread
RE is not worse than CMG lol
CMG below financing atp
Congrats on GS Financing
NatRes should be higher, their median exit is MF/UMM which can’t be said about some of the others on here. Usually Infra exit tho
Actual GS analyst from a top group (think TMT / FIG / CMG) parachuting in to lend my expertise. CMG is objectively one of the best seats at GS for the simple reason that the reps are unmatched. Have fun closing one deal a year in CRG while over at the shallow end of the pool that is the MM my crack analysts and I close a deal a month.
Does Goldman have a regal group?
Yes it’s one of the best on the street. People just don’t rank regal high because exits are more limited to REPE
False, Goldman’s REGAL group is not considered the best on the street.
Curious about M&A group as well.
not useful becuase you can't choose group.
Honestly FIG is a killer group at GS, glad to see them ranked where they are. Just so we’re clear, it’s killer as in that shit will finish you. Good luck soldiers
Seems like the “killer” health scares are coming out of healthcare!
Any opinions on financings groups? Levfin? Where would it rank among the street and within GS
Why is CMG such an unpopular group?
It really isn’t in reality and no one actually cares that much. But it’s a meme on WSO.
Anything on the M&A group ?
M&A at GS is not a classic IB / GBM group; it is a niche product group led by a handful of senior partners focused mostly on deal structuring, relationship maintenance and tax advice for senior F500 management teams.
They do have junior team members but very few (not because more prestigious / difficult to get offer). Less of a need and most of the fundamental IB work is within the industry / classic groups. M&A execution is handled by the classic industry / coverage groups.
what about the m&a group
This is not correct or helpful. It depends on the lens you are viewing the group through, but let us assume this is simply dealflow and exits, no ties allowed + culture not a factor:
Invite people who worked at GS to disprove my view. Consumer and NR above FIG because of huge deals they have respectively been on in last few years (Mars / Kellanova, Kroger / Albertson's, Chevron / Hess, many others) vs. FIG has missed the big ones. Less sure about IND dealflow, invite other informed opinions.
what about the m&a group? like m&a structuring, activism, capital markets
Not sure what the monkey shit is for, OP was wildly off and based on speculation vs. facts and experience. I digress; I mentioned in another response that the M&A group is a niche team led by a few very senior partners as co-chairs. They are relationship managers at the biggest companies in the world and tend to be the best advisors / bankers in the entire bank. Would not bother trying to join this group on the fantasy that you are going to work closely with them; they are 1-2 levels more senior than the group heads and extremely busy people. Emphasis is on tax guidance, structuring and industry expertise beyond the relationship maintenance.
There are very few people on M&A team below the partner level, a handful of people from analyst - VP (I think 5-6 total) who are there to support the senior guys. The juniors on that team would likely rather be in classic coverage groups, as all product (loans, IPOs, M&A) are handled completely by the industry groups (i.e. consumer retail), with M&A juniors providing complementary support where needed. For recruiting purposes most recruiters don't really know the difference, and I am not totally sure how they go about filling in the junior seats.
Shareholder activism is its own team, they are brought in by coverage groups to help provide color on high-level trends in activism (salient campaigns, reasons for them, best ways to defend, etc.), usually during an actual attack by an activist or during client service meetings to prepare for one. They do not handle any modeling or technical work within shareholder activism, juniors have similar support role vs. execution and technical stuff done in classic groups.
If you are looking to get to buyside would aim for the classic coverage groups as product and coverage are merged and you get the kind of training that will 1) help you during interview processes and 2) give you basic set of finance skills needed to succeed long term.
Hope this helps
IND above NR and CR IMO ... top of league table every year, on every marquee situation, much bigger group than CR and NR (excl. Houston), telling their group head is now co-head of IBD
It's a fair comment; I am not as familiar with the group but that guy you mentioned is definitely a rainmaker. He is one of two group heads (other being NR) who actually brought in a ton of deal-flow despite lower aggregate M&A volumes last few years.
The people giving you shit either haven't worked at GS or are thinking too hard about culture; was not factoring that in. IND and FIG definitely at bottom if we talkin bout culture
how is corp derivatives?
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