If it's Houston, I can definitely echo that many of the banks do have a similar type of "analyst". I wouldn't necessarily say it's impossible for you to break in, it's just that people like to pull for people that they know or are similar to them. Finding the right group/bank to network with is huge for you in this case. I would perhaps even start looking at other cities.
My boss at my current internship asked me what was the hardest question I got asked in my BB interview.... "some guy started asking me about the game last weekend... " that was literally the hardest set of questions I was asked cause I haven't watched a single sports game in 4 years. But, I had prepared by knowing who was playing and figuring out scores at different points in the game.... And yes I realize how nerdy that sounds... Long story short I got an offer there.... Fake it till u make it baby....
I'd like to second what Forest said. I don't keep up at all with sports and have no clue how to handle myself when the conversation turns in that direction. For a lot of the frat-types, sports is their bread and butter.
This probably explains why I'm recruiting for one of the nerdiest groups around. @MoelisOrBust, I pm'd you what that group is.
In general, boutiques have interview processes that favor people with strong technical backgrounds, so I think you will have better success with those than with BBs.
Even if you're highly introverted, you need to be confident and even aggressive when required. You won't pick it up by forcing yourself to watch a football game, I think it comes from innate prioritization and life experiences.
Would you please elaborate on confidence and aggression? Of course, you're absolutely right in that it comes from life experiences, someone who's seen shit fly around will know better how to deal with it. But then, for the junior levels, most banks recruit the nerdy types with perfect scores, grades, etc.
Just because you might be nerdier doesn't mean you're a loser. You should reframe how you perceive yourself/people. Different people have different interests. Just be confident and try to find a common ground with people whether it be travel/music/finance/hometown/college etc.
Unless you're an anti-social leper who picks their nose in an interview, being a nerd doesn't matter. Most kids at tops schools who are graduating towards the top of their class and getting IB jobs are.
being a nerd and being a social retard are 2 different things. ding, let's me you @"adapt or die" @"DickFuld" @"ArcherVice" collab on a blog about social intelligence, it seems to be much needed on WSO
being a nerd and being a social retard are 2 different things. ding, let's me you @adapt or die@DickFuld@ArcherVice collab on a blog about social intelligence, it seems to be much needed on WSO
The guy that was saying he hadn't watched a sports game in 4 years and researched scores at varying points in the last game to try and fool the interviewer blew my fucking mind. What is wrong with just saying like "I'm not really a big sports fan to be honest but I like going out drinking for games, etc" ... I'm a big sports guy but I can totally accept that type response. Putting on a ridiculous act is just absurd.
being a nerd and being a social retard are 2 different things. ding, let's me you @adapt or die@DickFuld@ArcherVice collab on a blog about social intelligence, it seems to be much needed on WSO
I'm in.
You would think that the advice to 'be a normal human being' would be easy to implement, but apparently, it's a challenge.
Admitting your weakness is itself a very confident thing to do. You'll find a good fit, just keep networking, which will itself increase your social skills.
I hear there have been some recent inspiring and heartfelt breakthroughs in Psychotherapy that can remedy this problem, and if it doesn't work you'll now be able to break the ice with a really cool story that you probably shouldn't be sharing.
I can't answer your question but ultimately putting yourself out there and working outside of your comfort zone is the only way you're going to improve. No matter which group you get into those social skills will be important, but that doesn't mean you aren't on the right track by pursuing a better cultural fit. Good luck!
IMO, you don't belong to investment banking if you're a nerd. Once you start doing client facing, you'll need to be an extrovert to land deals and build strong relationships with industry professionals, who also have the same demeanor. If you're not a social guy, you're better off as a Financial Analyst for Lucas Arts or Blizzard.
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What city? NY?
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If it's Houston, I can definitely echo that many of the banks do have a similar type of "analyst". I wouldn't necessarily say it's impossible for you to break in, it's just that people like to pull for people that they know or are similar to them. Finding the right group/bank to network with is huge for you in this case. I would perhaps even start looking at other cities.
Moelis or bust huh? so you go to UCLA or USC. if you go to usc send me a pm
My boss at my current internship asked me what was the hardest question I got asked in my BB interview.... "some guy started asking me about the game last weekend... " that was literally the hardest set of questions I was asked cause I haven't watched a single sports game in 4 years. But, I had prepared by knowing who was playing and figuring out scores at different points in the game.... And yes I realize how nerdy that sounds... Long story short I got an offer there.... Fake it till u make it baby....
I'd like to second what Forest said. I don't keep up at all with sports and have no clue how to handle myself when the conversation turns in that direction. For a lot of the frat-types, sports is their bread and butter.
This probably explains why I'm recruiting for one of the nerdiest groups around. @MoelisOrBust, I pm'd you what that group is.
In general, boutiques have interview processes that favor people with strong technical backgrounds, so I think you will have better success with those than with BBs.
For more specific info feel free to PM.
Even if you're highly introverted, you need to be confident and even aggressive when required. You won't pick it up by forcing yourself to watch a football game, I think it comes from innate prioritization and life experiences.
Would you please elaborate on confidence and aggression? Of course, you're absolutely right in that it comes from life experiences, someone who's seen shit fly around will know better how to deal with it. But then, for the junior levels, most banks recruit the nerdy types with perfect scores, grades, etc.
IBM
I feel that I definitely see some nerdy people hanging around different teams and there are some teams with higher concentration
Just talk to ppl, best choice
Just because you might be nerdier doesn't mean you're a loser. You should reframe how you perceive yourself/people. Different people have different interests. Just be confident and try to find a common ground with people whether it be travel/music/finance/hometown/college etc.
A lack of confidence will hurt you no matter what group you're in. It means you don't believe in yourself.
How often do you wear a short sleeve shirt with a tie?
I believe you have my stapler
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They guys I hang out from Perella can never close with the girls they talk to at the bars if that helps.
Unless you're an anti-social leper who picks their nose in an interview, being a nerd doesn't matter. Most kids at tops schools who are graduating towards the top of their class and getting IB jobs are.
being a nerd and being a social retard are 2 different things. ding, let's me you @"adapt or die" @"DickFuld" @"ArcherVice" collab on a blog about social intelligence, it seems to be much needed on WSO
The guy that was saying he hadn't watched a sports game in 4 years and researched scores at varying points in the last game to try and fool the interviewer blew my fucking mind. What is wrong with just saying like "I'm not really a big sports fan to be honest but I like going out drinking for games, etc" ... I'm a big sports guy but I can totally accept that type response. Putting on a ridiculous act is just absurd.
You would think that the advice to 'be a normal human being' would be easy to implement, but apparently, it's a challenge.
Admitting your weakness is itself a very confident thing to do. You'll find a good fit, just keep networking, which will itself increase your social skills.
Good luck
I hear there have been some recent inspiring and heartfelt breakthroughs in Psychotherapy that can remedy this problem, and if it doesn't work you'll now be able to break the ice with a really cool story that you probably shouldn't be sharing.
I can't answer your question but ultimately putting yourself out there and working outside of your comfort zone is the only way you're going to improve. No matter which group you get into those social skills will be important, but that doesn't mean you aren't on the right track by pursuing a better cultural fit. Good luck!
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If you start rattling off the score at the end of each quarter the interviewer is likely to think you're on the autism spectrum.
Many people on Wall Street are awkward nerds. Don't stress this. You're likely being unnecessarily harsh on yourself.
IMO, you don't belong to investment banking if you're a nerd. Once you start doing client facing, you'll need to be an extrovert to land deals and build strong relationships with industry professionals, who also have the same demeanor. If you're not a social guy, you're better off as a Financial Analyst for Lucas Arts or Blizzard.
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