Software Engineering -> IB

I am an intern at a F500 for SWE going into my senior year of college.

I am social person and I just can't fucking deal with these techie people. No, I don't want your steam gamerID... I want to go out to a bar and talk to women.

The market and interview process is so fucking brutal for SWE, you have to put hundreds of hours in to study for interviews to maybe get a job that will pay 100-150k. I just want a career path that I can see I will be making 500k+ 10 years out of college. I want coworkers whose financial goals are to save up for a nice vacation rather than a new gaming PC. I was between SWE and IB in college... clearly I have made the wrong choice for a person with my personality.

At this point I don't care about the WLB, I want to work with normal people. I don't hate the work, the money is good (will be making six figures out of college, if I accept return offer), but the ceiling is just nowhere as high as IB or high finance.

What is the best path to do this? Work a couple years then MBA? Try to get a SWE or DS role at an IB then transition internally?

If anyone has other suggestions for career paths that have high ceilings, for a person with a similar story or background would also be appreciated!
 

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some insights and suggestions for transitioning from a Software Engineering (SWE) role to Investment Banking (IB):

Pathways to Transition from SWE to IB:

  1. Direct Transition:

    • Target Analyst or Associate Positions: Given your background, you might consider targeting analyst positions directly in IB. This could be challenging but not impossible, especially if you can leverage any finance-related coursework or internships you might have had.
    • Networking: Building relationships within the industry is crucial. Attend finance-related events, join relevant online forums, and connect with professionals on LinkedIn.
  2. MBA Route:

    • Work Experience: Gain a couple of years of work experience in your current role. This will not only build your resume but also give you time to prepare for the GMAT and strengthen your application.
    • Top MBA Programs: Aim for top MBA programs that have strong finance and IB recruitment. Post-MBA, you can target associate roles in IB.
  3. Internal Transition:

    • SWE or DS Role at an IB: Consider taking a SWE or Data Science (DS) role at an investment bank. This can provide you with internal opportunities to transition into a finance role. Banks like Goldman Sachs encourage internal mobility, which could work in your favor.

Considerations:

  • Work-Life Balance (WLB): While you mentioned that WLB is not a primary concern, it's important to be aware that IB roles are known for demanding hours.
  • Soft Skills: Develop your soft skills, particularly in sales and relationship management, as these are crucial for long-term success in IB.
  • Alternative High-Ceiling Careers: If you're open to other high-ceiling career paths, consider roles in Private Equity (PE), Hedge Funds (HF), or even Tech Sales, which can also be lucrative and might align better with your social personality.

Additional Advice:

  • Consulting as a Stepping Stone: Another potential path is to join a consulting firm (e.g., MBB - McKinsey, BCG, Bain) for a couple of years and then transition to IB. This can provide you with a strong foundation in business and strategy, making you a more attractive candidate for IB roles.

Summary:

  • Direct Transition: Target analyst positions, network extensively.
  • MBA Route: Gain work experience, aim for top MBA programs.
  • Internal Transition: Take a SWE/DS role at an IB, leverage internal mobility.
  • Alternative Paths: Consider consulting or tech sales for high-ceiling careers.

By following these pathways and focusing on building relevant skills and networks, you can successfully transition from a SWE role to a high-ceiling career in IB or other finance-related fields.

Sources: What would you choose: IB vs SWE @ FAANG?, IB Associate and VP Exits - Where are you now?, On-Cycle, IB Offers, Hair Splitting, Depression, and "The Path", THE ULTIMATE CAREER PATH, Best place to start your career? IB or Tech?

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Upon initial read, it seems like the dislike of SWE far outweighs your desire to do IB. Definitely not going to try to sway you - do what you think is right of course but here's a few reactions to some of the points:

  • WLB: Everyone, and I mean everyone says they don't care about WLB until shit hits the fan and you're on your third 90-100 hour week in a row. What you'll find is, generally, the more you progress in finance, the more people tend to prioritize WLB. What ends up happening though is that the desired WLB you eventually start to crave is almost impossible to attain without a significant pay-cut. Golden Handcuffs
  • Normal People: While I can see techies not being the right group for everyone, I can assure you that if you join finance you're not going to magically make a 100 friends who all share your interests. Yes, finance folk tend to be more social but there's always weirdos everywhere.
    • You also don't have to be obligated to do social activities with coworkers if bars aren't their vibe. Can always go with other and new friends
  • Vacation Vs. New Gaming PC: This may be more of an age thing - don't see many high-earning 30-40 yr old SWEs raving about the newest Gaming PC. My IB coworkers' financial goals were to buy luxury items and bottle service, not vacations.
  • Pay Ceiling: Right about having a higher ceiling in high finance, but just remember that those who make it to the high ceiling are the top 1%. Those people a) live and breathe finance AND/OR b) have extremely sharp insights on markets that 99% of people don't have AND/OR c) are fantastic salespeople. (All high finance jobs at the top trend towards being sales - either selling your advice, firm, capital, relationships, strategic advantages, etc.)
    • There's absolutely no guarantee you will reach that skill ceiling - if anything, for the "average smart" person, my intuition is that comp in SWE is probably higher in the long run. Different story for the rainmakers though.
  • Market & Interview Process: Getting an IB job is no walk in the park either. There's far more smart kids wanting to do IB than seats available. Also from my experience it seems finance interview processes tend to involve *slightly* more luck and nepotism, so even if you do everything right you could fall short. Firms overhired in 2019-2021 and now are realizing that through RIFs meaning it's not like the job market here is popping off either. 

Long story short this is a very classic case of the grass is greener on the other side. With all that said, if you are confident in your ability to become a top 1% financier and actually realize the high ceiling you crave then definitely need to start networking asap. Since you're a senior you might have to go to a smaller bank at first, but can always lateral after a year. This process would entail falling in love with reaching out to school alum, cold calling, mock interviewing, and studying finance technicals. MBA is also an option too but that has it's own challenges as evidenced by the severe lack of jobs available to MBA grads from even H/S/W. Even if you make it into IB from an MBA, there's no guarantee you'll love it and at that point will be harder to explore other opportunities.

Sorry if this wasn't super helpful but happy to dive deeper on anything. It seems like you should really figure out if IB is what you want to do as opposed to being a "not SWE" option - talk to actual career bankers rather than reading online and observe their quality of life.

At the end of the day, to hit the high ceiling of any profession, you need deep expertise/skill that 99.99% of other people don't have. Figure out where you're willing to put 10,000 hours and the money will follow. Good luck

 

Your the man! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer this question.

Your probably right, I should take the time to figure out what it is I truly want.

"Figure out where you're willing to put 10,000 hours and the money will follow." That is a great quote, I think I just need to find what I love and grind at it and the money will come.

 

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