Whats with the NA & EU/UK divergence in undergraduate recruitment?
Why are the processes so different? I mean I read about it but dont understand why they differ so much. Not even just like the existence of spring weeks but also the whole assessment centre thing too? No networking is insane to me as well like how do non-targets even have a chance in EU/UK?
Thanks for any help. Were the two systems ever the same ?
The divergence between North American (NA) and European/UK (EU/UK) undergraduate recruitment processes stems from fundamental differences in how the regions approach hiring, education systems, and cultural norms in the workplace.
Key Differences in Recruitment Processes:
Networking vs. Structured Processes:
Spring Weeks:
Assessment Centers:
Target vs. Non-Target Schools:
Why Are the Systems So Different?
Cultural and Historical Context:
Volume of Applications:
Spring Weeks as a Talent Pipeline:
Were the Two Systems Ever the Same?
No, the two systems have always been distinct due to the differences in education systems and workplace cultures. The EU/UK has historically leaned towards structured and standardized processes, while NA has emphasized networking and flexibility. Over time, these differences have only become more pronounced, with the EU/UK introducing innovations like spring weeks and assessment centers to address their specific needs.
Challenges for Non-Targets in the EU/UK:
The lack of networking opportunities in the EU/UK does make it harder for non-target candidates to break in. However, the structured nature of the process means that strong performance in online tests and assessment centers can still provide a pathway. Additionally, attending structured networking events and leveraging any available alumni connections can help non-target candidates stand out.
In summary, the divergence between NA and EU/UK recruitment processes reflects deeper cultural and systemic differences. While both systems have their pros and cons, understanding the "game" in each region is crucial for candidates aiming to succeed.
Sources: What was the point of Ivy League? Major Regret and Depression, FT recruiting timeline London, London recruitment-can't understand how it works., Teller's Comprehensive Guide to Diversity Recruiting, 20 Most Frequently Asked Questions - London Edition
AC is essentially the same as Superday, just a different name. Honestly, I believe it’s better to ask why the US is different from other countries in this world because HK (Asia offices) also doesn’t engage in networking.
From my perspective, it has both advantages and disadvantages. Recruiting without networking is more meritocratic and impartial because no one, even if you speak to the MD, will increase your chances of getting hired. (obviously im sure there are nepos around) Additionally, it saves people a lot of time to focus on academics instead of sending 100 emails every week and pretend goldman stanley TMT is your fav group on the street. However, it also makes the process highly dependent on luck.
I'm actually a fan of our system in the UK. Everyone for the most part takes a standardised assessment with a certain percentile score cutoff. Then those people get to take a hirevue / video interview that gets reviewed by HR. This cuts out a lot of fluff and ensures it's at least somewhat meritocratic where possible.
Agreed. And the number one thing about UK recruitment vs US is that we don't have to start applying for 2026 Summers in January 2025 ahah
I'd be on board if the standardised tests and hirevues were actually meritocratic. In practice, good candidates get rejected all the time and weak candidates make it through, which turns recruiting into a coin flip. Networking gives candidates more agency and control over the outcome.
I'm more fan of the US model. Networking even at undegraduate level takes you from that "shelter" approach where you sit, you study, you get good grades, and you get a job. It puts you in a position to reach out to people for opportunities, which better reflects an entrepreneurial spirit - highly needed - in a business where at upper levels you bring business by how well you network with people, how good you are reaching out to them, etc. (without saying that people take it very easy if you fuck it up networking at 20s vs. when you're in your 30-35s in case you thought that "I'll start networking when I'll be a senior").
Unless you are in IT where you just need to sit and code all day, a networking model that puts you out there to test how you deal with one-to-one interaction with others and how presentable you are is 100% needed in business.
Grit and Charisma > Academic excellence (but if you can do both, more power to you)
Good points but why not have both? With the UK model you screen out a certain % of people who may not be the smartest and can personality check the rest through interviews? It’s a win-win
You don't need to be the smartest to do IB. Everyone can learn the job, so might as well screen based on traits that are harder to show on your CV and harder to learn - either you have them or not (personality, enthusiasm/passion for the role, communication, etc.).
However, it's also understandable the position of HR/banks: For junior levels you don't care as much about the person/his ideas/his uniqueness or potential, you only care about someone who can execute whatever is asked from him by seniors, and usually a perfect GPA shows that you can deliver what's expected from you (it's safer from a recruitment standpoint). It also shows consistency because you can't cram everything in a week and expect a stellar GPA - steady effort during the semester is needed, which resembles also IB. You want someone who has stamina and doesn't crash after 1 month.
Issue in the UK is without networking and despite the online tests and pre-recorded interviews, there are still too many candidates that tick the boxes given that is easy to cheat at these stages, creating a lot of "noise". That leads to recruiting being full random as HR has too many CVs to pick from. The worse is probably JPM. Moreover, the introduction of online trackers makes things even worse. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of applications doubled within the last 2 years.
Why exactly is JPM the worst?
Maybe at the spring level but the interns and grads seem to be some of the best on the street in the UK
Their randomised 3rd HV technical question excludes the most unserious
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