Fisher v. Kelley v. Wake Forest?
Interested in IB after graduation. Should I go to Wake, Ohio State, or Indiana? I would be out of state for all three.
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Kelley (IBW) >>>>>>>>>>>> WFU > Kelley (non IBW) = Fischer
How tf do you MS this? Literally look at Moelis, BofA, PWP, Jefferies, Blair and tell me how many IU IBW kids you see compared to Wake. Probably 10:1. Worked in a top group at a BB for 2 years and we had 6 IBW kids and 1 Wake and our bank wasn’t even a popular choice for IU
almost, from what I've heard on WSO it is this:
Kelley (IBW) >>>>>HYPSM>>>>>>> WFU > Kelley (non IBW) = Fischer
Would go Indiana or Wake. Kelley has a slight advantage in recruiting over Wake. Also know Kelley has the IB workshop. Will be more competitive, since most Kelley kids are IB hardos. Much more familiar with Wake, love their culture. Great placement across the board. Biggest advantage is their strong alumni network. Very similar outcomes but would consider fit/location, which are drastically different
So, I haven't been admitted into Kelley yet but I know that I can get in after a semester. IBW is super competitive from what I've heard. Assuming I can't get IBW then is Kelley still better? I prefer Wake's location by far over Kelley.
This is such a bad mindset. It’s so rare to get in standard admit. Wouldn’t go to IU if you’re not directly into Kelley
kelley kids are little hardos. probably not as much of a good college culture than Wake forest
Have similar options with the addition of Emory. How does it compare to these schools?
Emory is a closest equivalent to Wake Forest, in terms of outcome and experience. But Emory has the advantage of being in a major city and more of a brand name. Most would still say IU (IBW) over both, but Emory so close. IU (IBW) - Emory - WF - Regular IU. Really a personal decision, factor in fit/cost.
So, I haven't been admitted into Kelley yet but I know that I can get in after a semester. IBW is super competitive from what I've heard. Assuming I can't get IBW then is Kelley still better? I prefer Wake's location by far over Kelley.
Prefer Wakes location bc of proximity? Closer to home I’m guessing , but context would be helpful. What is cost difference w/schollies?
Bloomington > W-S imo, but it’s obviously dependent on what you want.
Wake is a much smaller school with a tighter alumni network. IU is a bigger school with more to offer and a better college town.
If you want NY, SF or Chi, IU is better represented (partly sheer numbers, but most Wake guys I’ve seen at in CLT or ATL IB or PE).
Not closer to home. They are both about equally away (~6 hours drive). I just prefer NC over IN. I'd still be visiting OSU, IU, and Wake before committing. I like the small school vibe in general too. If there are any glaring issues though, let me know
Ohio State sucks. GS had a couple from there and canned them in their layoff wave.
Can't speak to Ohio State. Kelley and Wake are close. Wake recently launched (a few yrs ago) a Pre Wall Street Track which is similar to the IBW at Kelley. Even without the new track, Wake places very well. Most kids who want IB get it across many banks. I'd choose between the two and go with the culture / feel you like best.
Thank you for response. I’d have to visit both to pick one. Any more insight would be appreciated.
Just go on Linked in. Look up each school and go to the alumni tab. I'd do two separate searches defined by yr. Do a current yr (2023-2024 range) and then a wider one. You'll get a sense of how they place. Keep in mind Wake is a much smaller school than the others. Total UG is approx 5k. About 100-125 Fin majors each yr (of course other majors go to banking too, but predominantly FIN). Tons of kids each yr going IB, S&T, Private Banking, Corp Banking, Asset Management. If your interests fall in those areas, there's a high degree of success with or without the Wall St Trak. My guess is better than Kelley w/o the IBW and pretty competitive even with it.
Fisher Futures has pretty solid placements and is pretty attainable if you’re motivated
Working for Fifth Third in Cincinnati isn’t solid. At all.
Literally not 1 went to fifth third, check the website
1/3 don’t have jobs for the 2023 class and 1/3 are going to KeyBanc Cleveland?
that’s probably worse than fifth third. Yeah no offer is worse than fifth third.
they don't update the website. literally everyone has placed, very well this year actually.
A lot of people go IB from Wake. I went and have made it into the IB world. Tons of friends in it too. It’s easier to start in CLT then pivot to NYC. Nothing is that easy from anywhere. I’d doubt IU would sell better than WFU
Not going to join the fight above about getting into Kelley as a non-direct admit, but it'll be harder to get into the IBW if you are not a direct admit, and IBW is very competitive. Kelley to IB without IBW is doable but you lose a lot of the advantages. IMO you're chancing a lot of things with Indiana, neither of those 2 parts are a guarantee.
I would go Wake as you don't have to worry about getting into the business school or IBW. It sounds like Wake is your strong preference. It will be less cutthroat than Kelley/IBW anyway - as long as you keep your grades up and network your options are open
Some of the best IBW applicants are standard admits to Kelley who grind their freshman year and maintain that work ethic through the IBW application process in sophomore fall.
I agree it's 100% possible for a true grinder, but it's certainly a harder path. And it's 2 things to chance, IBW in particular is no guarantee.
OP says they prefer WF and a smaller school so that just seems like an easy choice to me
kelley places solid with IB workshop but is kind of like a state school that is geared for pumping out finance IB robots
Wake Forest has a more prestigious name overall but likely less IB placement due to nature of school.
If you can’t tell from the thread, while Kelley does recruit pretty well, the people can be pretty insufferable in my experience. Stems from this hardo / insecure nature that a lot of kids have from going to IU.
Obviously I’ve met some good kids from Kelley, but generally meh. Wake is a pretty sweet school with less internal competition, so could work in your favor if you’re a competitive candidate during recruiting.
Have similar options with the addition of Emory. How does it compare to these schools?
All three place well, so if IB is what you truly want to do then you're on the right track. I would say WF is your best bet, they are more of an all-around better brand in case you decide you don't want to do IB, and if IB is what you truly want to do you will be competing against a smaller class and generally less hardo candidates.
None of the above
Kelley is the best non-target there is i feel, if u grind freshman year you get a workshop and you're set for a wall street job. if not u grind the next few years and ur gonna get something imo. bloomington is ass tho ngl i kinda hate it here but the people are chill (a lotta kelley boners who have never touched grass tho but its ok). also u cant get much to eat past 11 and that kinda pisses me off. also wtf is a hoosier i still dont know
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