if you're 25 & younger, please comment
what's up WSO, been a while!
I'm trying to better understand the next generation but without any social media or friends in the sub 25 category (apart from sparring partners), I've got zero exposure. I'm curious to how you all think and what misconceptions my generation (older millennial) & older may be making. I'll be hiring from your generation as well as cultivating you as clients in the future, so admittedly this is selfish
if you could also please generally state location (big city USA, medium city W Europe, etc.), stage in life (college, grad, finance career, working but seeking change, etc.), status (married, single, dating, kids/no kids), that'd be helpful as well
- what is your general outlook on the world?
- what is your definition of a happy life?
- how do you see your financial/career prospects?
- how do you see your social/romantic prospects?
- what sorts of things do you see older generations do that you dislike? why?
- how do you use social & digital media? knowing the effects this has on your life, how do you navigate that?
- relative to the older generations, do you feel politics is more, less, or similarly important?
- how do you get most of your information? feel free to list all media
- what do you do for entertainment?
- open to share anything you'd like to in order to have me better understand your generation
thanks all!
Wow welcome back brofessor!
Missed the cut, but if you do this for 26-30 yr olds I'd be happy to chime in.
fuck it, let me hear it
26-year-old single white guy in NYC with an MBA, 2nd year associate at a big bank.
Positive, but I view this question as looking at "my" world, which is much smaller than "the" world. In my world I have a great family, close friends, a good career in a group with a great culture, I am very in touch with my faith, am involved in a lot of different groups, have a great social life.
"The" world on the other hand is just way too complicated for me to have a simple outlook on. There are wars and famines and disease and corruption and evil. However, with that comes heroes and philanthropy, and honest charities and people that do good every day.
I myself am an optimist though.
Being satisfied with where I am, what I have, and who I'm with.
Incredibly solid. I got lucky that my group covers a hot sector right now. I think my ability to pivot to PE would be pretty simple, or into another adjacent industry that's doing really well right now.
Not so great, but I realized I don't necessarily want a girlfriend right now. I take girls on dates and sometimes we'll have a little fling for a month or two, but once I realize I don't want to be in a real relationship with the person, then my motivation to keep it going dies and I end things. I'm confident that I will meet my person naturally, I'm not going to force it through apps.
Close mindedness. Especially with political topics. There is no chance to change their minds about a lot of those big issues.
Sometimes I will catch myself doomscrolling stupid content and I hate it when that happens. I just put my phone down and get back to whatever I should have been doing. I mostly use it to send dumb memes to friends. That's about it, I don't really ever post anything myself, but sometimes it's nice to see what my friends are up to. Someday I hope I'll just delete it entirely.
I think it needs to be less important. I don't think the Republican Party or the Democratic Party care about me, I think they're working in the best interest of the people who put them in office. I feel no loyalty to either side since I don't feel represented by either side and I don't feel like they tell the truth. I'm a big fan of the "just leave me alone" mantra. I do recognize, however, that the government has a role to play with regulations to keep business fair, to protect the country, and to help disadvantaged people who have found themselves in poor situations through no fault of their own.
Bloomberg, CapIQ, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, TikTok and Instagram for more unimportant stuff.
Love just going to a bar with friends to watch college football. I like a good TV series, big fantasy novels, getting out in nature as much as I can. Running and weightlifting.
I think my generation needs to toughen up and get to work, but my generation also does a better job at humanizing people and sympathizing with how people struggle in their own ways. However, a lot of people that look like me tend to not care about certain groups of people, and other groups of people tend to foster some ill feelings toward people who look like me. People should just be kind when they can and I think the purpose of life, no matter who is controlling it, is to love whoever is around to be loved (I know that's so corny).
I'll chime in under this comment since I fit the 26-30 filter.
what is your general outlook on the world?
Lots of blackpills. Have gotten some large promotions in the last 3 years but see cost of living accelerating underneath me. When I started my career, a director making 200-300k could afford a 600k-900k home which at the time was a nice home in a desirable area. Now all those homes are $1m-$2m, and the homes in my price range are what my managers had when I started. All happens right as soon as I am making "real money"
Market is going parabolic which feels more scary than euphoric- like this is the melt up that ends the multi-decade party. Right as soon as I have real money to invest.
Replacement migration is a mathematic reality and it feels like no one has the will to reverse it. No one tries to assimilate, people elect their countrymen and/or bring their tribal conflicts over here. The images of the trash in the Oxford river- feels like we are well underway towards a 3rd worldification of the west, and that the countries our parents had are gone.
what is your definition of a happy life?
To have family and children who love me, to see them have families and children that love them. For my and their only struggles to be the growing kind (ie, learning to work hard, save, make friends, fix problems, etc rather than battling some illness). To live in and with the inheritance from my forefathers (I mean more societal than financial), to steward that, and to pass it to the next generation. To lead a virtuous life that ends in heaven.
how do you see your financial/career prospects?
Great- I think I have a long runway ahead of me (feels like I have a shot at a CFO role down the road). Currently feels tainted by the fact that I'm doing the hard part (getting promos early and often, performing at a high level) but the buying power isn't what it was. As said above, I have the same buying power as my unimpressive managers in prior roles. So career growth feels more like Indiana Jones trying to outrun a boulder rather than stacking a bunch of golden heads.
how do you see your social/romantic prospects?
Am married with kids. Some struggle here as I try to find my place- am much younger than most people with kids the same age, or people at my career level. Am better off than people my age. Hard to find people to relate to.
what sorts of things do you see older generations do that you dislike? why?
Stuff related to housing affordability (trying to get rid of property taxes most recently) or just generally trying to pull the ladder up behind them. Disinheriting their kids. Not caring at all about cultural or national identity. They seem to think that as long as their home value goes up or the stock market goes up, it's ok that every metric of societal happiness is going down.
how do you use social & digital media? knowing the effects this has on your life, how do you navigate that?
I go in phases- use it a little, then more and more and more until i feel like my attention span is fried. Then I quit cold turkey for a specified period (usually 1-2 months). Ease back into it, and repeat. Not sure how to navigate that- want to stay up to date, but the algos are so addictive. Thankfully the cycle I mentioned above takes place over months, so I dont fall back into it quickly.
relative to the older generations, do you feel politics is more, less, or similarly important?
Relative to the older generations I am familiar with, I likely think about politics the same amount as them (quite a bit). I guess you could say I feel it is less important because I feel like no matter who wins, the same shit happens (inflation, legal and illegal immigration not in service of citizen happiness, wars, moral decline).
how do you get most of your information? feel free to list all media
X, WSJ, Books, Substack authors, discussions with friends
what do you do for entertainment?
Golf, home projects, go out and about with the family. Sometimes watch shows with the wife, but do not watch live TV. Every moment of sports I've watched this year has been against my will.
open to share anything you'd like to in order to have me better understand your generation
I busted my ass to get where I am- lots of strategizing, moving, luck. Spent $75k on an MBA. The people 3-4 years older than me at the same title are significantly better off- got their homes before the melt-up. Got the last seats on the ship. The people just 2+ years younger than me can't afford a home at all. Went to the park in my city- if you combine all the whites and blacks together, we are still a minority there. Feels like our societal inheritance is being given away to anyone who wants it. Old videos of the 80s, 50s, 1910s, 1800s all feel like a greater society that has no chance of returning.
I feel like I can outrun the boulder, but just barely- and I recognize the immense role luck had to play in my last few promotions. I imagine that if I was 2 years younger and didn't get married young, I'd feel like it wasn't worth playing the game. I 100% understand why Gen Z has embraced radical politics in each direction- to them, the emperor has no clothes and never has had clothes, and the current system has nothing to offer.
EDIT: Should also mention healthcare. Have certain very manageable yet chronic health conditions in my family. I pay $6k in premiums and have hit the OOP max on my HSA every year for 8 years- that's an additional $6-8k I spend. And I recognize that I don't have it that bad. Seeing a hospital bill for a birth in the 90s for $200 sounds like a joke- can't have a 15 min conversation with a specialist for less than $400.
I was thinking of adding maybe a non-US view. I am not a native English speaker, so I apologize in advance for any minor mistakes.
Location: capital city in the CEE, EU member state
Relationship status: married, no kids
Career: lawyer in a regional PE fund, previously a banking & finance junior associate in big law
Age: turned 30
1. I am by nature more pessimistic. I think the world we were all raised, educated, and prepared for is disappearing very fast. So there is a lot of uncertainty and financial pressure, and one never feels financially safe.
And I just hope I will not end up in a warline before 2030.
2. Doing the work that I enjoy (meaning agenda or field, not that I expect every task or work day to be exciting), spending time with my wife, parents, friends, and keeping hobbies. And not die chasing money.
3. Considering the region I was born in, quite negative. I don’t think I will ever own a property. All my friends, who own property, own it thanks to inheriting or being gifted by their parents the funds or the property itself. None made money to be able to make a down payment for a mortgage (my case as well).
Career-wise, if I do not want to be part of the sinking ship where there will be no clients, no major economic activity, and no investments, I have to move out with my wife.
4. The only truly great part of my life. I really listened to the advice that the most important decision is who you marry. We went through 3000 miles of long-distance and managed. We created our little world against the burning world outside.
5. Their total misunderstanding of the economic reality nowadays, denial of their part in the current misery, and selfishness beyond what psychology says is natural for humans. I have amazing understanding parents, so I do not have to overexplain my economic reality to them. But that is not a standard.
6. As many fellows mentioned here, it's sometimes more than I would wish. Years ago I decided not to have any social media on my phone (except chat apps to stay in touch). But I check on my personal pc at home in the evening.
7. I think the older generation takes politicians closer to their hearts. Sometimes more than they do with their relatives. For me, it's mentally not normal to be willing to argue, curse, and disinherit your family member because they disagree with your favorite politician. For me, it is always just some mostly privileged person completely detached from reality willing to sell even their own mother for new luxury watches.
8. Newspapers (FT, WSJ, local newspapers), unimportant stuff on IG. Also, chit-chat with colleagues.
9. Mostly try to have an active social and cultural life - theater, music concerts, various cultural events, going out with my wife and/or friends. Besides that reading books, playing music, and cooking.
10. I want to work hard, I love the field I am in, and I do not expect anything getting for free. And I know the golden age of liberal global capitalism is probably gone. But I would love to allow myself to dream of owning a small flat and having a family without feeling silly about myself for dreaming of even small but costly dreams.
I'm a year or 2 out of the bucket, but I'll add my perspective:
Location: Digital nomad (SEA and Latin America)
Relationship Status: Dating
Career: Ex-finance turned entrepreneur
very interesting, I'm curious about the lack of focus on materialism and emphasis on family. do you think it's impossible to curate that in the USA? or are you simply observing that culturally we're not as predisposed to it as other cultures?
thank you
Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say it's "over?" What's making you feel that way and why do you see no way out (assuming that's what you mean by over)
I am a younger millennial (35) but have heard "it's over" from many younger people. It has become nearly impossible to have a decent life in this country unless you are born into some $$$. If you're a regular person without family money you don't stand a chance so might as well live life to the fullest now. Why try and plan for something that feels unattainable? There is no way out because it would require significant structural change which doesn't happen overnight so no one will see it in their lifetimes.
haha didn't think you'd actually reply
adding context because I forgot to
am on a gap year between sophmore/junior year working an offcycle
located in big city canada
on the worldview point i've become very cynical as to how commercialized the western world has become, and that there is a demonstrated loss of core human values like tolerance, empathy, critical thinking etc. (which is a change I've observed even in myself). i'm amazed at how complacent/ignorant a large portion of the population can be on tons of key issues with regards to politics/health/economics, and the decisions that are being made by these people actively make my worse and their lives better
on the financial/careers point it's over because i got really unlucky with my recruiting cycle and i'm salty about it; did all the right things, joined the clubs, networked etc. and walked out with no offers - got screwed over on quite a few opportunities that I should have been able to sign
have observed rampant nepotism (even more so that I thought existed previously) and that has made me reconsider working in this industry at all
very fortunate to be able to have another go at it due to a school transfer/offcycle internship but the fact that I even have to do that is crazy, but all things considered generally not as "over", especially since my education is cheapish and i'm getting at least some opportunities - i'd imagine some folks have it a lot worse
on the social but moreso romance point it's over because i'm chopped and i find it a waste of time to be playing the dating game if i end up broke and unemployed
@thebrofessor you seem like a good mentor. How many people do you mentor? If none I think you should think about it.
I do mentor regularly, though all of its unofficial
Id be very open to a young person having me as a consigliere on an ad hoc basis, and have made that clear, just never been taken up on it, usually just people wanting jobs and see no use for me since I'm rarely hiring
Won't ever stop helping where I can though
I'd be happy to take you up on this, is it okay if I dm?
I’d also be happy if you’ll be my mentor, although i can’t dm privately on the site. I don’t know if you have other contact infos that I can reach u on
I’ll definitely reach out to you when I can message privately
Glazing across multiple threads is a new one
Location: New Jersey
Stage: Junior in College
Status: Single with no kids
strong man to have the guts to be a browns fan! thoughts on shedeur at qb1?
Being a browns fan is like seeing your dog get run over by a car each sunday. God I hate this fucking team I hate it so much why did we let Baker go. I don't think Shadeur should play another snap. I mean Dillon. Gabriel is complete garbage and the fact that Shadeur is firmly locked in at QB 1 because of Gabriel's injury this week scares me. The good news is that they play the raiders who are complete dog shit as well so Shaduer might actually be able to look okay. But the whole offense is a complete mess. O-Line is riddled with injuries, running game outside of Judkins is horrendous. No true WR1 and incredibly limited schemes even though we have two good tight ends. The fact that the Browns have had two future Hall of Famers in Joe Thomas and Myles Garrett in the past 2 decads and haven't done shit is just embarrassing.
Disregard previous comment about Shadeur. Any and all negative comments towards Shaduer"Perfect Timing" Sanders are jokes and not meant to be taken seriously. God please just give us one good franchise quarterback.
London - AN1
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It's actually "may I meet you". Which is somehow significantly worse and every time I think about actually walking up to someone saying that (not least in the UK), I cringe uncontrollably.
to be fair my primary school teachers always told me to say "may I have a pen" as opposed to "can I have a pen"
Can't figure out how to edit just wanted to say this was not a feigned attempt at advice giving so unless you specifically ask I'm not giving any, im genuinely curious about your perspectives
Thanks to all who have replied so far, very interesting!
Location: T2 City USA
Life Stage: 1st year analyst at an investment bank
Status: Single (about 3 months)
Thanks for doing this. Questions were good and a nice way to think about something else.
I'll answer some of these questions as a 19-year old...
Too tired to answer all of these but glad you asked the question and it's interesting to have this discussion
Love your stuff man, you're on my Mount Rushmore of WSO users.
Location: West Coast
Relationship: Dating
Career: Year 2, analyst in asset management.
From a personal perspective: I'm trying to stay optimistic and enthusiastic. I'm generally a positive person and have a personality similar to a golden retriever (which is a love-or-hate for some people). Yanno, if I'm stuck in a shitty situation, the outlook is I can either have a miserable mindset or make the most of it, and I try the latter. I try to get along with everyone, and if there's a problem, let it go quickly. People can sometimes get on my nerves and frustrate me, but I can't let others control my emotions or believe that people should act one way or another. I accept what is in front of me and deal with it. "It is what it is."
Outlook on the world: I think the world needs to follow the "Golden Rule" more. Let's just get along. Let's get to know each other, talk to one another - we're all people! I feel like a fucking hippie, but it's the 21st century! Peace and love, man. Feels like everyone has a chip on their shoulder; we're all too focused on one another, and we don’t want to care about our neighbor. "A stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet." I'm being cheesy here, but I feel like connecting and talking to people directly (in the real world) could help a lot. Will also tack on that it feels like people would rather be online than face reality or be in the "real" world.
2. A happy life to me is being surrounded by people who love me. I'm a social person; I grew up with a big family. My favorite day of the year is Christmas Eve when my entire family is over and we have an amazing feast, joke around together, and play games. It makes me immensely happy, and when it's my turn to host that event, I will be content with my life.
3. I'm currently making the transition into a new career back in my hometown, so I'm really excited to try something new. Unsure about the future of this career or even my longevity in finance, but I want to put everything into this new job. The team is great, and the role matches my personality. In the long term, I'd love to be an operator or entrepreneur, but in the meantime, I'm happy to collect some checks and learn more about my likes/dislikes. Recruiting for this role was extremely tough, and this market is not great.
4. The area I'm in now is a little sleepy and on the older side. It's been harder to meet new people, but I've made some good friends through work while also staying in constant contact with my buddies from back home. Have been dating this girl for the past 5 years; while I've had some worries about "settling," I know this person would make an amazing mother to my children. That is a huge dealbreaker for me.
5. "The Tragedy of the Horizon" or present bias. Mark Carney coined the term, but it's an unwillingness to make a large change or sacrifice now that will help future generations. It feels like the older generations would rather reap short-term benefits while they're alive rather than make longer, usually tougher decisions that will be more beneficial in the long run. Kicking the can. Another factor is an unwillingness to accept or admit that life is different than when you grew up. This might be more aimed at those 40 or 50+, but technology has changed, behaviors have changed, businesses have changed. Things that worked in the past are not surefires anymore, and how the world operated when they were our age is not applicable. Now, it's fine if they believe this, but any attempt to persuade them otherwise is met with instant rejection.
6. Deleted Instagram and YouTube. Never had TikTok or Twitter. Unfortunately use LinkedIn more than I should. Those platforms are echo chambers and bring out the worst in people. There's also an insane amount of misinformation or rage bait on those sites. We've given too many people a platform, tbh.
7. More important. Similar to my answer from five, but I think we're at a point where you can no longer kick the can down the road or place the problem on the next generation. If someone doesn't start making the tough changes now, then I think we really start to see some problems. It feels like no one wants to be the adult, and they just want to continue promising BS or putting band-aids on everything. Politicians are more focused on keeping their seats than doing something unpopular but good for the country. This also seems to be exacerbated by two-party politics and the decrease in bipartisanship. There's less moderation or willingness to cross the aisle. It feels like those loud voices on the left or right are beginning to make up larger portions of their party, and as younger generations grow up on the platforms where they can be heard the easiest, these identities will spread across the younger voting pool.
8. WSJ, Reuters, BBG, FT, or PBS. Those are the big ones. I listen to various business podcasts or will watch/read local news stations as well.
9. Wish I had a fun hobby for this section, but normal things: going to the gym, hiking, movies, playing videogames, reading, spending time with my gf or friends, or watching sports. I'm currently learning a new language, and when I move I'm gonna start improv classes.
10. It really feels like there is less hope in this generation and a lot of anxiety. I don't know if this stems from feeling like opportunities for wealth/American Dream are shrinking or that social media has skewed people's perception of what success looks like. I'm lucky enough to not feel this way, but that's the doom you sometimes get from talking to drunk guys at the bar. A positive about this generation is that we're more focused on living a balanced life. Feels like WLB is much more important than it was to our parents, and I know many people (myself included) who want to be more active in our kids' lives compared to how our parents were with us. That might also come from laziness too haha (I know wayyyy too many kids who are into get-rich-quick schemes).
thank you for your kind words and your input, very interesting
what language are you learning and why? I'm an amateur language geek myself
I’m trying to learn Italian because my family is Italian, but my parents never learned the language, so it wasn’t passed down. My dream is to become fluent enough to travel back to the town where my family came from and learn as much as possible about my ancestry through direct interactions with the locals.
I’ll try to weave the questions into my response but Large City, dating, in IB.
Life is great for me but I know it’s not for a lot of others. Knowing Jesus has completely changed my life and it seems like my generation is coming to Christ younger than many generations have in the past. A perfect life would be to have a Christ centered marriage, running a business that benefits my community and family, and having as many kids as my future wife and I can afford. Career prospects are great but I know they aren’t for the majority of my generation.
On the dating side, I will likely marry the girl I’m with right now. My experience dating for hookups was extremely enjoyable/easy, but once I wanted to find something serious, the dating game turned very difficult. The sheer volume of toxic, childish, and vile behavior that exists in the “real” dating pool (dating to marry) rn is actually quite disturbing. I think it all boils down to this: people (both guys and girls) are growing up much later in life, and becoming good partners much later than they otherwise should. That has been motivated by hookup culture, which causes a handful of guys to get a lot of action and the rest of guys to not get any (I was a professional athlete prior to IB so I’m not complaining in this post, but it’s obvious that some guys aren’t getting any attention from gals despite being solid prospects).
Politics time: the main gripe my generation has with the older ones is that we are forced to go into more debt than ever before because of the debasement of the USD/inflation of asset prices, mainly motivated by your generation’s political decisions. (Not trying to quote Ray Dalio) Things have gotten genuinely more expensive as a result of poor economic policy and kicking the can down the road in terms of pretty much every economic decision made in the last 50 yrs; my generation gets to deal with the can.
One last thing on politics: my generation is becoming very nationalist. We’re tired of being the worlds plow horse, and seeing our tax money be shipped overseas when statistically, the majority of us will be worse off than our parents and will not own a home. I’m not saying nationalism is necessarily positive but that’s where it’s looking like it’s heading.
. That to say, there’s still a lot of opportunity out there for us, and it’s on us to seize it! I’m an optimist on pretty much everything, but for these things a spade is a spade. I’m confident in my generation to make the world better for our kids and grandkids.
Also, thank you for writing this post the responses have been really interesting to read!
Undergraduate student, regional target university / LDN semi-target in W Europe. 24 years old.
I'm reading a lot of responses that mention affordability being an issue because of myriad factors. how do you all grapple with this? I'm being deliberately open ended and obtuse to not insert my opinion...
@seekinthealpha1 @Greenspan's Panties @ojapar20 @Colonoscopy3 @anonf0fty @datboi1234
thank you all, this has been eye opening
Having a roomate to cut down on expenses is an absolute must. Also, I did months of DD on an apartment and only picked something within my budget, after negotiating with them. I haggle on most purchases if I can (and only if it’s a substantial amount of money.)
I don’t go out to drink much but this is more for religious / health reasons than anything, but that’s absolutely a money saver. Haven’t gone to a bar in 2 months, my friends and I are into fishing/hunting/outdoorsy stuff which is by no means cheap, but we already have all the gear.
Rarely eat out unless it’s on the company’s dime. Once I learned to enjoy cooking, this became MUCH easier. The result of all of this penny pinching is that I invest ~$2K a month, my general attitude towards cash is that if it’s sitting in my checking account and not earning anything it’s basically worthless, so I get it into my Roth IRA/brokerage account asap
Edit: also I chose to go to a non target school which offered me a full-ride academic scholarship, which meant that I have no student debt. Still broke into IB, albeit had to get very creative with networking; the no student debt is very important as I’d likely be putting everything I currently invest into that debt payment.
Echo a lot of what @seekinthealpha1 said. I spend less than I make, and I don't buy things I can't afford. I'm fortunate enough to make good money for my age and try not to become a victim of lifestyle creep. It also helps that I don't have expensive tastes and buy my clothes on sale or clearance. That's not to say I don't enjoy a night out with friends or a good dinner date, but I try not to overindulge. Moderation is key and realistic expectations that I'll continue to make good money but not be in the top 1%.
Can I opine as well?
Big city USA
Final year of college
Single
1. I am very excited about technological advancements in the future, but other than that I am bearish on our future. Feels very hopeless for a lot of people.
2. Closeness with God, family, friends. Having a happy wife and kids, and being financially free. Having great health also.
3. I have an offer post grad , im fine here I guess
4. Eh, I get girls but I find a lot of them very annoying. Social wise I have lots of friends, not an issue.
5. Other than political stuff like support of Israel, not much honestly. I guess I am upset about how the deck is stacked against younger people though.
6. I just use Instagram to scroll on reels, use Twitter for financial info, that’s about it
7. It’s much more important now than it was prior.
8. Twitter, general internet, AI, friends , group chats
9. Exercise, go outside , sports, Netflix
10. The smart people of my generation are doing fine, the dumb are not. Not much has changed in this regard.
SE USA, 20, dating
Currently sitting in a Starbucks for a few hours waiting for my car to be serviced, so I thought I'd leave my ramblings.
what is your general outlook on the world?
I worry for the world my children will grow up in. I can't predict the future, but the current K-shaped economy narrative gives me the feeling that we are trending towards split classes. There will, at the current pace, be a more clear and amplified divide between the haves and have-nots. That is a scary future in my opinion as it is likely to have far less stability and compassion frankly than modern or historical eras. That being said, I know which side that I would rather see my kids end up on, so I work as hard as I can to set them up for success.
Another thing I would like to bring up is that people are far too attached to screens. Not to sound like a boomer, but it saddens me to look around a restaurant for instance and see families sitting together, but not interacting. We're losing the importance of physical social interaction which as other students here will know, is extremely apparent when watching student presentations in class. I fall victim to this myself as I find that I can communicate much better in written format when I have time to think out a response instead of say the first thing that jumps to mind. I talk a little about it in Q6, but I am actively trying to get out of my comfort zone here, and I unfortunately bring a lot of other people along with me. I try to start social interactions with everyone when in otherwise awkward situations like being in an elevator, waiting on a coffee order at the same counter, or being in an Uber. One major reason for the relative recent rise in popularity of more extreme political ideologies, in my opinion, has got to be that people are not talking to each other anymore. Social media companies are extremely efficient at selecting exactly the content we react to, and this becomes a positive feedback loop, which ultimately leads to political/racial/social extremism. If we actually talked to each other and made an effort to understand that everyone has their own life, I think we would find that we all have a lot more in common than we have different.
what is your definition of a happy life?
Being surrounded by people I love and doing the things I love.
I had the pleasure of spending a day in southern France last year during a study abroad trip with family friends of my aunt. In the morning, everyone gathered to the back porch to have coffee and chat and get to know each other before going to the (very busy) market to buy fresh meats, vegetables, seafoods, street food, and whatnot before getting back and spending the next several hours around the same table, enjoying cocktails, food, and company. Nobody had to worry about checking Outlook or taking a dozen calls for some "this is priority" silliness. We all got to enjoy each other's company and have a non-stressful day of enjoyment.
This past Easter, me, my girlfriend, and four of our friends woke up and went to church, made a large feast of ham, mac and cheese, and the works, and had an easter egg hunt. Again, just a very memorable and enjoyable day that I think about quite often.
I kept trying to think into the future for this question and what I thought would bring me a happy life, but I kept remembering happier days in my life that have already happened. I don't know what I've been doing right, but I've been blessed so far in life. As long as these good memories keep coming, I think I have a happy life.
how do you see your financial/career prospects?
I have the blessing of having the majority of my family in the South, near me, so I don't have much reason to really chase New York/SF. Surprisingly, career opportunities are far better outside of T1 cities than this website would lead you to believe. Not to count my eggs before they hatch, but my SA stint next summer has strong pay and fairly generous return offer rates, so I think that the next few years of my life will be stable financially.
Further than the next couple years is so difficult to predict and thus plan for that I try not to spend too much time thinking about it. There's no telling what could happen to the industry with how much technological disruption is present today. It would be amazing to work up to MD or make the switch to corporate and land a fat C-Suite role, but I think these things come differently for everyone, so planning for it is a fool's errand. Maybe it would be nice to have a big boat in the Mediterranean.
how do you see your social/romantic prospects?
I have been dating the same girl for 7 years, and she is the best thing that's ever happened to me. I see a lot of people my age really pushing the "date around" thing, but I don't think that really applies to me. I am never afraid to tell her that my favorite thing about her is that she is a do-er who doesn't let even the smallest detail slip through the cracks. I tend to be very go with the flow and she is the antithesis of that. In that way, opposites attract and I think we complement each other very well in that way.
I know how fortunate I am in this department, and I wish all of you the luck I've had.
what sorts of things do you see older generations do that you dislike? why?
I had to think about this one for a while, but I think the general answer is stubbornness. Generally, when I am having a conversation with someone much older (45-50+), I find them generally unwilling to give my ideas merit. I think that my generation is more willing to admit when they are wrong (in person, not necessarily online), especially when confronted with concrete statistics in the opposite direction of their initial stance.
I don't feel a strong answer for this one as I don't think that entire generations are terribly easy to generalize and I would personally be frustrated if someone from an older generation wrongly grouped me in with others in my generation.
how do you use social & digital media? knowing the effects this has on your life, how do you navigate that?
So for the longest time, I was 100% lurker on every social media platform. I wouldn't even like/dislike a post, let alone comment or make my own post. I've felt an urge to change that lately mainly by my experience browsing WSO. There is an overwhelming difference between older threads (5+ years old) I read and the typical front page stuff of today. Not to talk down to anyone on this page, but I feel like 80% of posts nowadays are low-thought low-effort rants about DEI or UBS, questions which have already been answered (I've seen the quit with nothing lined up thread so many times I can't see straight), or AI slop.
I see lots of AI slop on other media platforms as well, and I think that sets the tone for a horrible future for the internet. Forum based websites like WSO and StackOverflow are facing a major downturn because everyone just uses Chat to answer any question they have, missing the human element of these forums. I am making a conscious effort to use AI less because I can genuinely feel it decreasing my ability to think independently sometimes (Same goes for short-form "brainrot" content). Therefore, I have decided to contribute more to the forums I stalk regularly, WSO being one of them.
relative to the older generations, do you feel politics is more, less, or similarly important?
I think now more than ever, politics is more entertainment than policy. We've seen this since really explode since 2016 which is when I feel the turning point was. Debates turned from cordial events to discuss policy to essentially shouting matches at who can create the greatest insults.
Like another commenter said, neither the Democratic or Republican party care about me. Almost every policy enacted or introduced is more of a band-aid to any given problem than a long-term well thought out solution. The most top of mind example is the 50-year mortgage. Sure there are instances where a 50-year mortgage could theoretically be a valid financial option like if you're planning to rent the same unit for 15 years, but you still lose all of the advantages to renting.
how do you get most of your information? feel free to list all media
WSJ, X, Reddit, Bloomberg sometimes, Youtube, Tiktok and ESPN for sports you get the idea
what do you do for entertainment?
Play video games, most recently EU5 and factorio. Work on computer projects, trying to get better using Linux (Only use Windows whenever I have to use Excel) and working on my home server. I'm currently catching up on classic "Greatest of All Time" movies that I've never seen: Next up are Shawshank Redemption and Oh Brother Where Art Thou? Recently watched Goodfellas and The Dark Night.
On the weekends, you will find me glued to the TV watching every minute of my college's football game. Sometimes you will find me watching other college football games. I hear the bread and circuses crowd moaning, but life today is so full of meaningless, anxiety filled headlines that it is nice to be fully into something light hearted that I can devote my full attention to for a couple hours per week. I never watched football until I got to college, but learning how all of the positions interact and the intricacies behind the play designs makes it a fascinating thing to watch.
God bless you. You sound like a great person -- and by that I mean you appreciate & cherish those who are important to you, and understand the important things in life. Good on you, not many in your generation have the right values (same could be said about my generation - Millennials) -- and by right, I mean those that are conducive to a happy life and to a well-functioning society
Hey, thanks for sharing! I was reading several other comments, and the negativity and even discrimination made me feel sad until I saw yours. I appreciate you spreading positivity and hope in humanity. It’s rare and meaningful to recognize the good in life at such a young age. Wishing you the best.
young-to-mid-20s, big city, USA, married (no kids), buy-side equities
what is your general outlook on the world?
what is your definition of a happy life?
how do you see your financial/career prospects?
how do you see your social/romantic prospects?
what sorts of things do you see older generations do that you dislike? why?
how do you use social & digital media? knowing the effects this has on your life, how do you navigate that?
relative to the older generations, do you feel politics is more, less, or similarly important?
how do you get most of your information? feel free to list all media
what do you do for entertainment?
open to share anything you'd like to in order to have me better understand your generation
Keep in mind I don't have a great world view. Optimism aside, I've tilted towards nihilism more than anything.
Location: big city USA
Stage: Current senior at an ivy, law school soon
Status: dating
what is your general outlook on the world?
Very bad. The world is going to shit unfortunately, and it's sort of weird how I experience it. On one hand, all of the smartest people I know are convinced there's something of a "monocrisis" coming that is going to destroy the economy and a lot of what we take for granted. Other people have touched on this so I'll try to add a new perspective: This isn't just young people. I've had federal judges and tenured legal scholars tell me in hushed tones that they think the rule of law in this country is beyond repair and we are headed straight for a dictatorship. I have very strong connections to a premier public defense office in the country filled with very serious people, and it's... bad. These guys aren't prone to exaggeration either, which is... concerning. On the other hand I'm still in college and having fun which is enough of a distraction.
I will say it is getting harder to compartmentalize these two things. I'm sure others know what I mean.
what is your definition of a happy life?
I want to feel like I am successful. This comes in a few ways: One, making my parents proud. Two: making enough money to provide an upper class lifestyle for my family and a nice house, and yes, as cynical as it is, outperforming my peers on this dimension. Three: I want to feel like I am part of a broader society.
how do you see your financial/career prospects?
I have no idea. I think the next two to three years are going to be pivotal in determining the future of work, both for political and technological reasons (AI). Because I have no idea I've essentially committed myself to the path of maximum flexibility at a prestigious law school. I'm just trying to hedge: on the one hand, setting myself up nicely for the career I've had planned for years in law, while also hoping that this pedigree will be enough to talk my way into an entry level role if the new paradigm of work is something unrecognizable. I've also secured a nice consulting offer as another hedge and am currently interviewing with startups. Again - just trying to maximize flexibility at this stage.
how do you see your social/romantic prospects?
Very good! Maybe I'm still in college and so I have a biased perspective, but even when I was dating in the city during summer internships I never felt like I had a problem.
what sorts of things do you see older generations do that you dislike? why?
Older generations don't really understand how competitive every process has now. My grandfather - a poor immigrant by the way - once recalled a story to me of how he called the dean of Yale law school to ask why he wasn't admitted. The dean responded he needed a higher LSAT score, so my grandfather got the higher LSAT, was admitted, and then decided to go somewhere else instead. This is obviously an extreme example, but it does feel like older generations are operating off of a fundamentally broken mental model when it comes to anything application related (jobs, schools, or otherwise).
how do you use social & digital media? knowing the effects this has on your life, how do you navigate that?
Twitter and instagram are enormous time sinks that I know I have to remove from my life. I'm still working on how.
relative to the older generations, do you feel politics is more, less, or similarly important?
I don't think it's a matter of importance, but a fundamental difference in how politics is viewed by young people. Older generations definitely have their idea of a "shared commons" and society, to me this is totally absent from my generation because it's done nothing for them. No one my age has any investment in a broader societal project, nor do they understand collective obligation.
how do you get most of your information? feel free to list all media
Informational: WSJ app and NYT. Twitter
what do you do for entertainment?
Solo: Instagram, Twitter. I don't watch much beyond this. Trying to read more fiction.
With People: Drinking and house parties still unmatched.
open to share anything you'd like to in order to have me better understand your generation
I think a driving force beyond a lot of zoomed behavior, even if not all of us have the words to express it, is the feeling I talked about in my first answer. It seems like everyone around us knows that something big is about to break and are trying to loot as much as they can before then.
its a really weird time right now I think the us and europe is heading in an awful direction
freedom good family and friends pretty simple
happy where I ended up feeling good to transfer jobs next yr, but me and my friend spent some time and money building a software in the construction space, really happy where its at its like 98% completed, starting beta testing with a couple customers next week really excited for it, if it takes off I am 100% taking the jump to do that full time, if I hit like 6-7k mrr i am def quitting
I have amazing friends and a great girlfriend, I am only 22 but it is really insane how hard it is to just have a decent partner, I feel like people date way less now its incredibly sad. I really can see a lot of kids in my generation not having kids, its ridiculous how expensive is the birth rate is going to fall off a fkn cliff the middle class can really only afford 1 or 2 kids to raise now. I think where a lot of families can save money though is college education, more people really need to consider community college and then transfer into their state school. With that path you come out with no debt if you just work in the summer. I have friends families who are not even that well off that spent close to 1 mil in education. Like my friend spent 400k on education still does not have a job, that kid wouldve been 1000x better off if they just gave him the 400k.
I think the view of older generations has become insane, the majority of them fucking hate young people think they were 1000x smarter and harder working when they were our age, and overall it just does not seem like they want whats best for the world they want whats best for them. The previous generations of old people genuinely wanted a better world for their kids they wanted to support the futures generation and build a country for the future generation. For example old people have put most younger kids into the basket of spoiled brats. Additionally what I noticed is my friends families that are well off, a lot of them not majority of them are donating all their money to charity when they die leaving the kids with nothing.
deleted it never felt better
more, I feel like our generation has no understanding of what actually matters the fact that a decent amount of people actually voted for kamala is wild
mainly newsources like bloomberg deleted instagram and tiktok never felt better
very active play soccer and bball a lot lift, drink, read
Brofessa!! I'm unc now as a couple months ago (26) but I'd love to chime in. Lurked these forums in college and you always had a ton of valuable life & career advice that molded my life for the best especially coming out of COVID.
26 y/o mixed fella living in the best part of the country (socal). 3 years into my first job in AM and love it, but currently pushing myself for more. Single and not dating.
thank you for sharing and thank you for your kind words, I'm a bit shocked but simultaneously flattered that my ramblings might have helped, just remember, YOU DID THE WORK!
regarding #10, I don't see this generation as lacking anything unique to other 20 somethings. all 20 somethings have it tough and all 20 somethings have it easy. I had it tough because I graduated during the 3rd time in modern history with 10%+ unemployment in society, first job paid equivalent of $44k in today's dollars
but I had it easy in other ways - the same apartment I rented back after graduation costs 2x more whereas wages have only gone up 50%, there wasn't so much performative comparison because of social media (I had a blackberry until I was 25 maybe)
every generation will have dynamics like this. there will be easy parts and tough parts, but the solutions for any 20 something are always the same just as they are for any age group, you have to make hard choices.
housing costs sky high? yup, it sucks, I wish it weren't so, but the solution is not to bankrupt yourself in the process, it's to vote for city councilmen who will be more liberal with building, have roommates, live in a smaller footprint, and stash cash for an eventual down payment.
job market tough? it was tougher for me, so while I don't have much sympathy, I do have advice. stand out by doing what others don't - informational interviews, something will eventually hit
dating market tough? the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. delete social media for a while and focus on talking to people more in all situations. I wrote a ton here and it got good reception from girls so give it a whirl - www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/off-topic/how-to-lose-my-v-card#comment-2…
in general, the biggest thing I've noticed is that today's 20 somethings are remarkably similar to my generation when we were 20 somethings but with unique challenges and attributes like all generations. many things are worse, many things are better, but it proves to me the existential angst of a really tough period in one's life and those of us who are past it would be wise to remember what it was like
specifically, those days were my darkest and when I was depressed, so I get it
Context: 18-year-old Actuarial (finance major) first year at target equiv. (UNSW- 2nd ranked in the nation), based in Sydney Australia (large city). I grew up in low socio-economic areas and was an immigrant. Still figuring out what specific finance sector I'll be gunning for.
Relationship status: Dating (long term)
My perception of the world won't match my peers but I'll provide a note that estimates the general consensus in square brackets [].
[My peers usually focus on the cost of living situations and how it'll suck in the long run of things. Same theme of negative outlook]
[Will vary]
[From what I'm hearing everyone is done for and competition is tight after graduation.]
[From observation I have been surrounded by a group of people who 8/12 are in a relationship with some stemming all the way back to high school -so range may vary. If I'd have to guess, there is an influx in short term relationships but some will think they're doomed or struggling with meaningful connections (long term).]
[A lot of my executive club directors have destructive social media addictions. A lot of brain rot in my peers and I can only guess that it's a strong problem. I remember a tedxtalk saying 96% of free time for the average American teen, once extrapolated, will be spent on phones.]
Again, all my perceptions are subject to bias and it's only my opinion. Hope that helps, and best of wishes to whoever reads this.
25 in a T2 City in the Southeast, switching Careers from Back Office at MM to CRE Brokerage (taking a chance on myself while I’m still young), about to be married in March.
See my (soon to be) wife every day. Glad to report back I’m very excited about my “prospect”.
5. (Not sure why the spacing is fucked) the overall claim of how hard they had it as the average house price to income ratio has increased up to 6-7x. It seems that the hardships are seen to their respective generation are seen to them as the worst hardships of all time, with nothing else being comparable.
6. I keep my Instagram so that I can post pictures of my fiancée when she asks, but outside of that I only use social media for sports/ funny content consumption.
7. Likely the same, with social media it can be projected to be more or less than a loud minority
8. Newsletters recommended to me (1440, ground, etc).
9. Love to go Golf, play some hoops at my local gym, and spend time with friends and or my fiancée
10. What is posted on social media and perceived as “culture” is really applicable to a small vocal minority (outside of the Rizzler, that guy rocks).
Bio: medium city USA, in corporate finance (FLDP) looking to switch to buyside LO, single w/ no kids
Big city Canada, 19, Undergrad
1. What is your general outlook on the world?
Really negative; I always feel like everything I do is never enough, and I'm constantly stressed and burned out. A degree or just "networking" is not enough these days; they're the baseline. A degree is pretty expensive, yet there's no guarantee of a slightly more stable future. Imagine getting in debt for 40k in student loans, rigorously networking, participating in case competitions/ students' associations/ events, self-teaching yourself the skills school doesn't teach, all while handling coursework, maintaining a decent GPA, and that still doesn't guarantee that any of your hard work and efforts would be paid back.
Too many things are happening at once, and everything seems so volatile, especially when AI is in its boom, and everything changes rapidly in a matter of months, if not days; it's just a constant level of trying to keep up but still getting left behind.
Every time I talk to an upper year, and they talk about how they got their internships, it requires hundreds of cold emails, follow-ups, and knowledge of niche sites where they could find those companies, and now it's even more competitive because every website is now known, so there's 10 times the competition.
2. What is your definition of a happy life?
Reaching a state of internal fulfillment and contentment, maybe having a nice home that belongs to me with some pets & great friends.
3. How do you see your financial/career prospects?
I have no idea. It seems like I need another 24 hours a day to learn all the skills just for my resume to pass the screening. But also, it might just feel overwhelming for me because I've heard of the insane grind of upper-year students, while I don't have any tangible skillset yet (most of my courses in my 2nd year are still just general courses)
It also scares and stresses me out because I just moved to the country a few years ago, and I have to figure out every step without anyone telling me if I'm doing the right thing or just wasting my time and energy. My parents don't really have any connections here (they live in another province while I'm here for school), so I'm basically starting everything from scratch. (starting from a negative head start, if I count learning about Canadian culture and all)
4. How do you see your social/romantic prospects?
Not too great. I'm not actively seeking out a partner because all my time is allocated to working on my mental state, school, work, and learning new skills on the side. However, for the general scene, I find it pretty hard to meet new people as I'm pretty introverted, and there are barely any 3rd spaces where people could meet. Everyone seems so busy with their own thing, and it's also really expensive to go out, too, especially in Canada.
ps. it's not too great, as I've heard countless stories of both how guys and girls act. The amount of "she accused me of sexual assault," "I need to record consent," to the stories of how badly girls have been treated during their relationships (being cheated on, forced to have intimacy against their will under the name of dating, etc) makes it seem impossible to believe that there's still someone decent out there. Please don't get me started on how people would post on social media captioning "cousin/ brother/ sister" while in fact they're just hooking up because they don't want people to know they're hooking up.
5. What sorts of things do you see older generations do that you dislike? Why?
Undermining how competitive everything has become.
I know first years who already did deep research and started working on their career pathway the moment they step foot into university. I genuinely didn't know what was going on or where to go, what to do in my freshman year (still have no idea what's going on now, but my path cleared up slightly)
6. How do you use social & digital media? knowing the effects this has on your life, how do you navigate that?
Maybe it's just me, but honestly, it's like a noise-cancelling outlet for me when too many things are overwhelming me at once. My phone is one of the few things I could use for entertainment, and I'm not into games, so that leaves just a few apps on my phone used for entertainment. I feel like the gaps in my time are just big enough to go on my phone instead of spending time on my physical hobbies (I like art/ painting, and it takes quite a while if I want to finish a piece of work). Sometimes, the only time when I have time to do something is late at night when I get home after school/ work, and I'm just too tired to do anything physical.
Social media is pretty bad, as whenever I have it on, I take twice as much time to do my normal tasks, but it's easily accessible even when I'm physically/ mentally tired, so that's just one of my outlets.
7. Relative to the older generations, do you feel politics is more, less, or similarly important?
I have no idea about what politics were like back then, and I'm not actively on the news, so I don't really have a say in this. Even so, I feel like the political state is pretty bad and is freaking me out, like, what do you mean trade war, physical wars/ genocide, and a lot of protests all over everywhere are casually happening every day? It's just really overwhelming and feels really scary
8. How do you get most of your information? feel free to list all media
Bloomberg, Wealthsimple newsletter, and some other newsletters I signed up for years ago (I don't remember the names). I'm still new to all this finding news outlet thing
9. What do you do for entertainment?
I like going out for food or to try out new cafes/ restaurants I see on my feed. I'm learning how to play the guitar and want to get back to piano when I have the time (it feels like I don't), and learning how to play chess. From time to time, I'd do physical art, either painting with oil pastel or watercolour (can't afford high-quality acrylic paint and am not a sketching type of person).
10. Open to share anything you'd like to in order to have me better understand your generation
I feel like our generation splits into two main groups: the overworking grinders and the “party now, think later” people. The grinders push themselves so hard that even hearing their routines stresses me out, and the partiers genuinely don’t seem worried about tomorrow. A few of my friends are pretty chill, but honestly, I don’t understand how anyone can be relaxed in this job market and economy.
Currently a student (sophomore if that helps) in a large east cost city (not nyc) and am single
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer!
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