I'm Top 500 in Overwatch 2 and I wanted to know if that is a good or bad thing to put on my resume in my interest section.

Hello everyone, I’m a rising sophomore and so far things are going well. I’ve secured internships, earned good grades, and built a decent network. Lately, I’ve been working on my résumé, and my “Interests” section has sparked a lot of debate.

Right now, it reads:
Interests: Historical Artifact Collecting, Speed Chess, Vietnamese Iced Coffee, Calisthenics

I was considering adding that I’m ranked in the Top 500 in Overwatch. Some people have encouraged me to include it, while others have advised against it. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

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I wouldn't put it on a resume, but especially in trading we do actually look for people like that. Granted, you do also need to have social skills and shower, which tend to conflict with being top in Overwatch/League or something similar. I don't know if IB cares as much, but if you've considered trading in any regard then it's a fairly large plus to be ranked so highly on a competitive game. 

 

I've never really looked into going into trading. Wasn't really much of a club or group at my uni that focused on it. I'm going to a non-target, and only recently have some students been placing at banks.

 

Also top 500 in ow2 here and i highly recommend not to put it on ur resume section for anything client facing (ib / pe / sales) - not going to be a good look especially since majority of people in the industry played some sort of sport and gaming hasn't been universally accepted among your average frat / lax bro

Anything else that you're pursuing thats more intellectually stimulating (trading / quant / HF), def feel free to put it on

 

Got a question but I always assumed that Hedge Funds and Trading where of a similar type of "industry" to Investment Banking. While IB is more focused on sponsors and companies, trading and HF deal with well making money in the stock market. I always thought though they attracted similar types of people, so why it be good in trading vs IB. Just asking please don't kill me.

 

I’d say both IB and trading/HF attract similar types of people (type A, competitive, academically strong, etc.). The difference in personality types I'd say is due to how they source out talent. IB as a whole is very reliant on networking and school name. The technical prep is honestly high-school level stuff you can cram in a few weeks. At the junior level it’s not super intellectually heavy, most of what you’re doing is figuring out how to position a company and thinking from an investor’s POV why it’s worth investing in. So a lot of the success when it comes to breaking in is to network and understanding the game. HF on the other hand is way less about networking. There’s some client interaction at the senior level, but breaking in is much more about raw talent and interest in markets. The funnel is also smaller (usually kids from targets/supertargets with crazy GPAs, strong resumes, 1st place in stock pitch comps, etc. ). The people who end up there are usually the super academically-driven kids who spend their free time reading 10-Ks, following stocks, and just grinding to get better as investors. At the end of the day, you can “charm” your way into IB through networking, but with HF you really have to be the best of the best and actually love markets - essentially IB rewards pedigree/networking, HF rewards smarts + genuine passion for investing.

 

Would you recommend if someone wants to go into HF that they do trading or IB? How long should they stay, and/or what should they do to prepare? Also, I'm a math and econ double major, so would it be better to try and go into Quant, or just stay the course with IB because I've been focusing on it for my whole freashmen year?

 
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This is the advice I would give to myself if I had to go back in time for recruiting - ACTUALLY figure out why you like it or why you think you'd be good at the industry that you're looking into. My best friend is in the HF industry now and if you ever think to yourself at any point that it's not possible, his journey is the reason why I think anything is genuinely possible even if all odds are stacked against you. For the sake of anonymity, I'll say that his path was the most unconventional that you can probably think of: music major from a school which was nonexistent for sending kids into finance let alone HFs. Tried recruiting into banking alongside me since we were both super close together but quickly bombed out of so many interviews / wasn't given a chance at all at any BBs/boutiques that this site often has the misconception of saying is "easy to get as long as you're socially aware and network well". Somewhere along the lines we deviated from doing the same path and he started looking into HF which at first glance you might think he has no actual chance at all since most HFs you'd think about (P72, Citadel, etc.) were already closed at this point. But he made it work - he grinded it out, he worked extremely hard (read a different 10-k every single day, made a bunch of his own thesis on stocks and cold emailed a ton of PMs asking to coffee chat and run through his thesis and improve) and he actually had a genuine passion for why investing / L/S and he ended up landing an offer most people on this site would kill to have post-stint at a top background (Goldman -> Megafund PE). For context, this all happened towards the end of sophomore year and beginning of junior year. Now he gets praised non-stop from all the C-suite executives of his fund and is on track to make partner before 28. Like you said, you could stay the course with IB just because you've been focused on it the past year or you can actually figure out the reason for why you want IB other than just out of straight convenience and because it's a conventional path to "exiting" into other high-paying jobs.

My point behind all of this besides just propping up my friend is that it doesn't matter what the "typical path" is. This website is so skewed because everyone has been brainwashed into thinking that you can only make it into top HFs or become a partner or become a great banker based off paths that the typical applicant takes. No doubts that because someone has done it before that you can also follow suit and potentially get the same results but there's frankly better methods than investing all your time and resources into replicating someone else's path. Actually be interested and find a reason for why you can wake up everyday looking forward to breaking into the industry and actually staying (whatever it may be). Look into becoming the best you can be at the industry and have a goal that isn't just so college kids on WSO can freak out about your path and ask for coffee. Frankly most of the burnouts my friend and I've observed in the industry are all people that followed your typical "golden" path (2 yrs top IB => 2 yrs MF PE -> 2 yrs HF / B-School) and they will never be more than just a cookie cutter archetype with no real tangible passion other than the fact they have a resume people on this site would kill for.

On the preparation part - can't speak much to HF / investing since I'm not in the industry but can speak to banking. For banking, figure out first why you find it interesting - the premise of this industry is that you're a trusted advisor to clients and because of the nature of the business cycle, M&A / raising money will always be a constant. You'll be able to see through so many different transaction types with different types of companies and whether it be in the MM space (helping entrepreneurs see through their vision of building a company from the ground up to the point of being sold) or in the Megacap space (seeing companies that you recognize on the daily merge / acquire for strategic initiatives and operational improvement). At the junior level, sure it might not be as intellectually stimulating since you're just building out shells of slides where the verbiage can easily be done by ChatGPT, but being in the room with an experienced rainmaker and being able to observe how they manage the client, how they pressure and convince buyers to bid higher, all aspects of the sale process, is an experience that you will not get elsewhere as a 22 year old in corporate America. All that being said, these are reasons highlighted above that can answer the "why banking" question. As for technicals, run through the BIWS guides and just grind it out - not much to say there lol besides understand why certain parts of the valuation process require certain metrics / analysis.

 

 

Definitely listen to these guys above but if I saw that on a resume (I’m also t500) I’d give you an interview lol. But do not take my advice cuz 99% of the time it could be not the best look

 

Could I take you up on that interview lol, but yeah, these other people are great example of why I need to always ask questions.

 

Related question: is gaming a rare hobby among finance bros, or is everyone lying? The topic came up on my internship, and the response from other interns was "yeah I haven't played a game in like, 5 years" "me neither" "yeah I haven't played one in like 10" around a group of like 8 people. This is supposedly among the most popular hobbies for young men, is this something I just have to hide / lie about, even to other juniors?

 

Also OP, how is it relevant? I was t500 a while ago on EU servers and it was full of them most unfriendly, short tempered people I've ever interacted with. Hardly a positive teamwork environment. The only transferable thing I learned was how to stay focused while being abused.

 

Well, I mean it shows dedication in a way because you don't just become t500, and if anyone else plays video games then you could connect on that. Also, isn't the most important skill as an analyst being focused while being abused by your MD, VP, and Associate?

 

Offering an opinion from a different angle. I'm a junior who finished recruiting last year and landed an EB. I was also top 500 NA in one of the "weird video games" listed in this comment section. I was able to talk and connect with some people on the team who also played it during coffee chats and the superday. I think finding people who care about overwatch may be rare but I don't see it doing more harm than potential benefit for your resume. 

 

Yeah, after reading the comments here and talking to others I know both in business and school I have arrived at this stance "You are basically rolling the dice by putting it on your resume because either people think that it is super cool or super weird/bad. People may think this person just plays videogames and wouldn't be a good analyst, or others might think it shows that they are competitive and can focus. Either way it's a double edge sword so be prepared for both outcomes."

 

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