Struggling Indian wanting to move abroad. European target undergrad
Is it possible to move to SEA? Fell in love With the vibrancy and the culture while doing an internship back in my college days. I have an undergrad from a European target and have worked for a while at JLL strategy consulting in India. Desperately want to move abroad and Thailand is the best after having lived in Europe for 6-7 years or so. Have quit my job and am freelancing working as a consultant for retail brands but work has dried up and it was pretty good for a year. Is there any way to move to SEA? Maybe Singapore or even China?
If that doesn’t work out then is it possible to find something in Germany if I do a masters from HHL or WHU? Have been finding jobs in India in the RE sector but honestly the country sucks bad.
Also don’t want to end up going to the US, spending 200k on an MBA and have no job on hand.
Have an offer from the UT Austin McCombs MBA
Will be willing to work for 50k baht a month if it meant escaping India lol. I’m becoming increasingly sad with the situation in India and all my friends have left the country. The ones that remain are physically or mentally unfit to move abroad. The plan was to move with my gf but she broke up and married a Canadian and shifted to Toronto.
Many people also shifting back to India and telling me that the growth story of India is beginning but i feel that they are deluding themselves. The average iq of the country is in the 70s.
I’m foreseeing a few imminent problems in the country within a decade.
The growth story of India is beginning. Government policy is becoming increasingly laissez faire and markets are opening, local industry is beginning to blossom, think Tata/Mahindra/Adani/Reliance, and GDP has been increasing at an average rate of ~7% over the last decade.
All the while, India is a (believe it or not) generally politically stable country with a functioning democratically elected parliamentary republic. This is fertile soil for growth.
I would say that India is perhaps akin to the US in it's "Gilded Age" period in the 1870s - 1890s. Exploding industrial growth, wage growth and quality of life for citizens. Poverty still existed, and there was plenty of corruption as well - read up about the "political machines" of New York if you're interested - but this time period was the launchpad for the US's economic world dominance which continues to this day. The only difference between the US in the gilded age and India in our current information age, is that India is growing MUCH FASTER.
So I would advise you to keep your eyes opened over the next few decades. The country is projected to really emerge into becoming a world economic and geopolitical power, even if it may be a little difficult to see that from the ground today.
Haha. Can you tell me one neighbourhood of India which is comparable to a middle income neighbourhood of a city like Beijing or Bangkok? Clogged infra, low average IQ, communal problems, population density, water crisis, air pollution crisis in all major cities, health crisis.
I’ve lived extensively over the country. A great Society isn’t built on quick commerce apps and instant payments.
Even when I had gone to Europe in 2014, people were touting that India had immense potential and opportunities. A decade later things haven’t changed or have become worse in a lot of ways.
A decade later, things haven't changed? From 2014 to present, India's GDP has increased by 78%, and GDP per capita has increased by ~60%.
Read into the numbers. India is indisputably the fastest growing major world economy, and according to papers by Goldman, Deloitte and PwC, outlook on India's future economic and social progress is highly positive due to a combination of highly lucrative demographics, political stability, and increasingly free markets.
However, you are completely right to mention the neighborhood point. I agree that India certainly has abysmal air quality, with Delhi routinely in the #1 spot, and Indian cities occupying the majority of the top 10. To continue, as you say, infrastructure is generally lacking and antiquated, and communal problems certainly exist.
However, I must ask you - do you remember, not so long ago, when China faced a very similar position? Beijing occupied the spot of "most polluted city," and the rest of the list would be as Chinese as it today is Indian.
Prior to that, the most polluted cities were in the United States, with Pittsburgh, Chicago, and much of what we call the "rust belt" today, belching clouds of black smog. To interpolate even further, I'm sure you've seen pictures of London's young Chimney sweeps back in the ye olde' Oliver Twist times of British industrial yore. Just as all of these countries moved past their "dirty industrial days," so will India.
Returning to the infrastructure point, I encourage you to read into the NH 66 highway project, and the swathe of new metro and rail systems propping up all around the country, all the way from Kochi to Kolkata.
Point is, India is not stagnant. It has problems, but none that can't be fixed with enough money. Money that will come from increasing economic productivity - which is happening at very high rates.
You might be right about India. In fact, I hope you are.
But I visited India recently and never have I seen so much abject poverty. And I've been to many developing countries. Before my trip, my impression was India was catching up to China (which I have also been, and was extremely impressed by: it's really extraordinary what they've achieved). The problems the country faces (caste system, rampant corruption, religious violence, mass rapes and violence against women) are on a totally different level. It was a huge shock to me. I wish I could share your optimism.
There's also the massive brain drain (which OP's post demonstrates), although I see some signs of that changing.
All of this is incredibly idealistic and discounts the major structural issues in Indian society, the caste system is still alive and well, and almost 25% of the population live in poverty (we'll never be able to get a truly accurate number given how corrupt and generally disorganized everything is there, just look at voter turnout in the last election) . However the underlying issue is corruption itself, which anyone with even an ounce of power in bureaucratic position is. India is posturing to become a major player in the future, and the US is doing all it can to support its growth, and remember India projecting strength and growth is in the US government and corporations best interest, so yes there will be a lot of positive reports highliting potential (just like how Bezos would say India is going to be the world's biggest superpower or some shit, just ridiculous), but the reality is completely different and anyone that has/does live there will tell you that. People like you love to form an opinion off consultancy reports yet miss the real nuance of the situation. Btw, this is coming from someone who grew up in the US, lived in India for years, came back to the US and now lives in Europe... And btw your last point is completely wrong and again, anyone that understand the real issues there would recognize that, money is the problem not the solution. Major structural/sociopolitical changes are needed, which frankly will never happen given how paralyzed the populus is.
Boy China and India are like polar opposites. The problem isn't addressed anywhere in Indian media, and that is lack of vision. The Chinese from the 1990s onward had that and their leadership has been bold and strong, not deviating from their strategy but still picking up some trouble along the way.
In India, and many 3rd world countries, it's the exact opposite - politicians and civil society are banking on extreme populism and ethnic/religious nationalism as their vision. Skills within a society aren't additive if there's no common will to improve things for everyone, this is where China truly excelled and fought poverty so ferociously. India can have quadzillion tech institutes but won't improve if people still can't bother to have a clean neighbourhood. For China to succeed in this, leadership was there to idolise development and fighting poverty and make it systematic. Leadership in India is about pandering hard to ret*rded religious and ethnic extremism that just creates internal conflicts around class, religion, ethnicity, etc. So when you see people not bothering to pick up trash to the bin, it's basically a sign that people don't care about each other or their society's wellbeing. Not saying everyone should in order to develop, but again it's all about leadership making this a systematic element of society.
I disagree massively with Bangkok though. The city is nice and all but have you actually been to literally anywhere else in Thailand? Same with Manila & the Philippines.
Bumping again for any insights or help
Even if all of that is correct per se, people ike me actively live in an apartheid state in India where government discriminates against you, if i have tofaceracism i'd rather face it in USA/Europe
Out of curiosity, what particular ethnic/religious/other group would you say you're in, facing this discrimination from the government?
Just because a country's GDP is growing doesn't mean you can or will be able to capture the opportunities that come with it. Looking past relative/absolute GDP growth, I think you need to examine deeper into what you want to do in life. Do you want to pursue RE as a lifelong career? Or do you just want to get out of India and move to another relatively higher income country? The job market is extremely competitive in Singapore/Beijing as well, why do you think you can compete against locals who graduated from Top Universities? If you simply want to "upgrade" your current standard of living, I think Germany's master will give you some opportunities to look for other adjacent corporate roles. I can't comment on UT Austin's MBA quality so maybe someone else can hop in on whether its worth 200k or not.
What about Thailand? Is getting a job possible there? Singapore?
just don't come to the US.
Why not?
Don’t plan to
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how did you get a consulting offer in india from a European target? asking cause I’m also contemplating about doing my undergrad from a top European target
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