Best life lessons I've learned this year

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I'm gonna share some life lessons I've learned this year and I invite you to do the same on comment section. Here goes my key takeaways.

- Take control of your interpretation of facts.

When shit hits the fan (and eventually it will happen, trust me), the biggest component of your stress is not the fact itself, but your interpretation of what happened. Try to see positive side of things. It might sound cheesy, but it's a lot better than getting into a negative loop that might lead to depression and shit like that. You've got fired? Here's the opportunity to find a better job. Your girlfriend broke up? Use it as a motivation to work on yourself. Your parents passed away? Here's an opportunity to learn the value of time.
I've been in a tough road this year and the only reason I am not in a depression right now is because I've taken control of my interpretation of facts.

- Don't manage time, manage attention.

My productivity boosted 100% when I started managing my attention. If you're like me, you probably lose a lot of time just to get focused. If I'm working on a task and I stop just to read an e-mail, it might take 5 to 10 minutes to get the fully focused on the task again.
Manage your attention. Train yourself to be focused for a longer period. Stop multitasking.

- You need mentors. Get fucking mentors.

We've all heard that Jihm Rohm quote "You're The Average of the Five People You Spend The Most Time With". I don't know if this is true, but I'm sure you're on a better pathway if you spend time with people that are in a position you would like to be in 3, 5, 10 years from now.
Find mentors. A lot successful folks are willing to help a young, motivated and dumb dude like you (and me). Now you might be asking: how the fuck do I find mentors? Well, I'll make another topic on this...

- Stop trying to be good at everything

I've been playing classical guitar for 15 years. Now I'm in a position that if I want 1% of improvement, it will take hundreds hours of practice and this is the reason I've lost my passion for music in the last 3 years.
I am a very driven men and I'm sure most of you are too. We always want to improve and we become extremely frustrated if we don't. However, at some things you gotta learn to stop wanting to get better and just enjoy the activity. I had to accept that I'll never be the musician that I would like to be, and this is fine.
We can be good at one or two things, and that's it. Set your priorities and don't tell yourself you'll reach your goals in all areas in life, because it will only make you frustrated. A good book to read about this is "The One Thing" by Gary Keller.

I think that's it. And you, what lessons you've learned this year?

Comments (166)

Dec 27, 2017

Does the use of 'fucking' make this article better? No, my dear Watson, quite the opposite.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Dec 27, 2017

Reminds me of 2am chili ice soap

Dec 27, 2017

Holy shit dude... flashback to Reddit like 5 years ago

Dec 27, 2017

You misunderstand. He's saying you're bad in bed and need to get a sex coach

Dec 27, 2017

How old are you

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Dec 28, 2017

I'm 22 years old.

Most of you might figured this things already, but I decided to share anyway.

Jan 6, 2018

Don't trust blindly. If you trust people you will get hurt in future definitely...

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Jan 6, 2018

Good job. Crush the interview if you get it.

Jan 6, 2018

Thanks, hope it all goes well. Being nontarget makes life very tough sometimes.

Jan 6, 2018

Wow, nice. Gluck with your interview.

Jan 6, 2018

This is extremely helpful, thank you

Jan 6, 2018

Crush the HR rep too. #baylife

Jan 6, 2018

Nicely done. Way to play heads up ball.

Jan 6, 2018

A big lesson to learn in the job interview process is that you should always assume HR is incompetent. You should ALWAYS be very respectful and polite to them though, as they can help/hurt your chances significantly early on in the game.

Jan 6, 2018
BigSwingingDave:

A big lesson to learn in the job interview process is that you should always assume HR is incompetent. You should ALWAYS be very respectful and polite to them though, as they can help/hurt your chances significantly early on in the game.

Definitely true; have to handle with care. Also I think I may have gotten a little lucky with an HR rep that was willing to discuss my short comings after the fact that they thought I'd been dismissed. But I think at any company where you have a direct contact in HR, you can most of the time be able to sweet talk your way into speaking with them about your qualifications. Even if they haven't made a mistake, I think it can be very insightful.

Jan 6, 2018

During the recruitment process somebody from our HR asked me if I was studying for the...ahh..dangit, what's it called. It's like the CPA, except for Finance?

Jan 6, 2018

Nicely done! Thanks for sharing. Good luck!

Jan 6, 2018

Nice! Now go crush that interview.

Jan 6, 2018

@ghandi: most likely. She asked if I'd like to speak with her further after we cleared up the former mistake (pretty much interviewed me for fit stuff, told me about the team, what they do.) I haven't received an official invite into their offices yet, however the feedback that she gave me seemed very indicative of their future determinations. Seemed like they will invite me in for a second round, however I can't get too far ahead of myself.

Also, thanks for the all around moral support.

Jan 6, 2018

If you are so smart, how come you lost the elections, eh?

"Every man should lose a battle in his youth, so he does not lose a war when he is old"

Jan 6, 2018
RichardPennybags:

If you are so smart, how come you lost the elections, eh?

Next time around, I will try even harder to disenfranchise minority voters.
I think that will help me.

I'm not concerned with the very poor
-Mitt Romney

Jan 6, 2018

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

I don't really have any input on number 2 and 3 since I haven't thought about those things, but I definitely do not agree with you on number 1. I believe and have learned from experience that most people are fundamentally good although we seldom believe it initially.

I think a large part of the explanation for our negative view stems from negativity bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias). It's easier to believe that people are bad because we tend to emphasize and focus on negative things rather than on positive things (see the McDonald's example in the wiki article). Negative news have higher "news value" than positive news for mainstream media and thus they almost exclusively report about bad things that happens.

You say you have a good set of friends, which is excellent, but fortunately you're not alone having great friends. Hundreds of millions of other Americans (/Europeans/Asians etc) have caring and decent friends, spouses, fathers etc. Why would these people, just because you don't know them, on average be any worse than your friends and relatives?

It's true that people tend to care about themselves first, but just because someone doesn't do things "for the greater good" doesn't mean they are fundamentally bad. Egoism becomes a problem when you choose to not play by the rules and when your success is not achieved through your own effort, but of you taking advantage of someone else in a way that is defined as illegal, e.g. robbing someone. I think that as long as people play by the rules, one should be careful about labelling people "bad" just because they don't define good in the same way as oneself.

Jan 6, 2018

I completely agree with you Kejsaren, on your last paragraph. As long as you play by the rules it is all right. But how often does that happen seriously?

"It is our fate to be tormented with large and small dilemmas as we daily wind our way through the risky, fractious world that gave us birth" Edward O. Wilson.

Jan 6, 2018

Come back in 5 years and read your post. I fundamentally disagree with #1, #2 whatever/don't care and #3 I agree with except for the whole being sexist part.

Jan 6, 2018
Cruncharoo:

Come back in 5 years and read your post. I fundamentally disagree with #1, #2 whatever/don't care and #3 I agree with except for the whole being sexist part.

Cruncharoo speaks for me. Seriously, though, if you did come back in 5 years and read your post you'd wish you could delete it. Don't worry, it's part of the development process. A lot of us were there once.

Jan 6, 2018

Stopped reading after "So I'm finally twenty"

Jan 6, 2018

You lost me at..... "So I'm finally twenty"

Jan 6, 2018

Women are meant to be loved not understood, so start fu**ing their a**es instead of their brains.

You killed the Greece spread goes up, spread goes down, from Wall Street they all play like a freak, Goldman Sachs 'o beat.

Jan 6, 2018
Arti:

Women are meant to be loved not understood, so start fu**ing their a**es instead of their brains.

truth

and to those of you telling me that you have no interest in my opinion since I'm 20, I'd really welcome what you think about life and such, since you're all so obviously very wise

I'm not concerned with the very poor
-Mitt Romney

Jan 6, 2018

When I woke up this morning, I was hoping I could find the answers to the big questions in life from a 20 year old on WSO. Who says miracles don't happen?

''You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you need to concentrate on.'' -- President George W. Bush
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Jan 6, 2018
Dubya:

When I woke up this morning, I was hoping I could find the answers to the big questions in life from a 20 year old on WSO. Who says miracles don't happen?

hahaha you're funny... i agree!!!

xoxo

Dirk Dirkenson:

Shut up already. Your mindless, reflexive responses to any critical thought on this are tedious. You're also probably a woman, given the name and "xoxo" signoff, so maybe the lack of judgment is to be expected.

Jan 6, 2018
Mitt Romney:

So I'm finally twenty...Over time, I've learned several crucial things about humanity that...

You are twenty, you can't even drink alcohol legally, you definitely have not learned things about humanity.

Jan 6, 2018
yeahright:
Mitt Romney:

So I'm finally twenty...Over time, I've learned several crucial things about humanity that...

You are twenty, you can't even drink alcohol legally, you definitely have not learned things about humanity.

Pray tell, what age do I have to reach before I can learn things about humanity?
21? 22? 25? 30?

Life is different for everyone , and no life is the same. Just because you didn't know anything about humanity by the age of 20 doesn't mean I don't

I'm not concerned with the very poor
-Mitt Romney

Jan 6, 2018

The biggest thing I have learned:

LIFE GOES ON

Jan 6, 2018

"It must be wonderful to be seventeen, and to know everything."
-- Arthur C. Clarke, 2010: Odyssey Two

"Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then."
-- Bob Seger

''You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you need to concentrate on.'' -- President George W. Bush
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Jan 6, 2018
Dubya:

"It must be wonderful to be seventeen, and to know everything."
-- Arthur C. Clarke, 2010: Odyssey Two

"Wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then."
-- Bob Seger

these are excellent philosophisings

xoxo

Dirk Dirkenson:

Shut up already. Your mindless, reflexive responses to any critical thought on this are tedious. You're also probably a woman, given the name and "xoxo" signoff, so maybe the lack of judgment is to be expected.

Jan 6, 2018

LOL Its been a slow day so thank you very much Mitt Romney for the laugh.

I am eagerly awaiting your next thread "How to start a hedge fund" with the first sentence being "So I've never actually started a hedge fund but here is what I think it would be like."

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Jan 6, 2018

When you're my age (35-40), you'll think you were a dipshit when you were 20. Think of how you think of yourself when you were 12 years old at your age and you'll have a sense of what I mean.

Jan 6, 2018

I'm 20 as well. You know how I know that your naivety is greater than mine? I know enough to realize that I don't have close to the experience in life to make these sort of claims about life and human behavior. At this age, we feel like we know what life is about and what is important. We don't listen when people older than us give us advice because we think that we know better than them.

I'll give you some good advice. Assume you know NOTHING. Listen to the things that older people tell you are important because no matter how smart you are, they have been here longer and know much more of what life is about than you do.

Jan 6, 2018
MindOverMonkey:

Listen to the things that older people tell you are important because no matter how smart you are, they have been here longer and know much more of what life is about than you do.

Yea, listen, but don't take it as fact. A lot of successful older guys say things like, "I wish I'd done xyz." What they really mean is they're glad they did what they did and have the security they have, but they wish they could have done xyz, too. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Also, lots of unsuccessful people talk about the things they could have done but how they got screwed by something or other. They're probably omitting how they fucked up, so consider that.

Jan 6, 2018
MindOverMonkey:

I'm 20 as well. You know how I know that your naivety is greater than mine? I know enough to realize that I don't have close to the experience in life to make these sort of claims about life and human behavior. At this age, we feel like we know what life is about and what is important. We don't listen when people older than us give us advice because we think that we know better than them.

I'll give you some good advice. Assume you know NOTHING. Listen to the things that older people tell you are important because no matter how smart you are, they have been here longer and know much more of what life is about than you do.

hahaha
how do you know my naivety is greater than yours when you're assuming you know nothing?

I'm not concerned with the very poor
-Mitt Romney

Jan 6, 2018

Thanks for sharing. Great read!

Jan 6, 2018

There's hope yet for the rest of us!

Jan 6, 2018

blablabla

your profile says you are a second year at university of reading with 3.3 GPA...

care to defend why's that?

not that what you are describing is inherently impossible, but this public PE fantasizing is pretty pathetic...

Jan 6, 2018

true that son, true that. Most people on these forums say what you have said, whatever, anything is possible. If you let these people convince you that your not good enough, then too bad for you, maybe you should apply somewhere else.

Jan 6, 2018

Good work getting the job and good luck with it.

Great story.

Jan 6, 2018

all i have to say

Jan 6, 2018

You tell em.

Jan 6, 2018

what 2nd tier shops can you recommend?

Jan 6, 2018

WORD!

Jan 6, 2018

Congrats!

What exactly do you mean by "super advanced modelling"?

Jan 6, 2018

Very inspiring story.. If I can ask, how did you get the interview at your PE firm?

Jan 6, 2018
Royal Oak:

Forum,

I'm starting my first day tomorrow at a 'top-tier' private equity house (i.e. BC, KKR, Blackstone, Carlyle etc..) in NY.

I don't have any fancy credentials..... Anyone can get in (as I have proven) but all it demands is some commitment and hard-nosed ball-breaking preparation, which many don't appreciate.

Royal Oak, I 100% agree with you, personally I got less than credit average. No M&A experience, and got into IB!

like you said I prepared 5 hours for each intervirew, thought through the personalities, the curve balls and anticipated every action in the interview.

IB just wants smart people, and the IVY league is just a stereo type where smart people can be found. That doesn't mean that there is no smart people other than ivy leagues.

I did badly in uni, didn't do sports but i spend most of my 3 years in college doing internation business and importing goods. now how do Ivys compare to that.

Its onething to do tests and write essays... but like Donald Trump says, its the real world that you have to be good at. And he was a success not because of his Warton MBA, but because he is such a good business man.

Jan 6, 2018

was it hard to get the interviews?

Jan 6, 2018

Thank you for sharing your story and congratulations! It's very nice to receive input from people like you! :)

Jan 6, 2018

but it's wharton undergrad, not mba

Jan 6, 2018

Triton Pride!!

Jan 6, 2018

...Impossible is Nothing

Jan 6, 2018

Congrats

Your achievement bucks the trend, I guess. But a trend is a trend. Anyway, i don't want to detract from your achievement... so congrats once again.

Jan 6, 2018

Totally agree, a trend is a trend and today, looking through the directory, everyone is a Ivy League/Oxford/Cambridge/LSE alum...

To be fair (and to answer another poster) - how did I get the interviews?...a recruiter who believed in my abilities and was willing to put my resume in front of the PE hotshots. These guys are like golddust...

One warning to all who come into a top-shop PE house, the Excel modelling is INTENSE...more intense than anything you've ever seen in IB.

Today, I was at my desk for less than 30mins, when a Principal came over, introduced himself and then asked me to re-engineer a 90MB model in my lap, hell, I didn't even think you could get 90MB models...its been 13 hours since, I'm still here, its gonna be a late one, but alas, better here than there...

Jan 6, 2018

Did they give you a modeling test during your interviews?

Jan 6, 2018

Yes, an intensive 3hr test, basically a full-on LBO, with complete sensitivities needing to be run.

If you have semi-advanced excel skills, have LOTS of experience modelling and most importantly, STAY CALM UNDER PRESSURE, you should be fine!

In many ways, that's the hardest part. Once I passed, I had 4 more rounds of interviews, culminating in the 'big' one with the most senior partners...

Jan 6, 2018

Just tossing it out there...

There's something about your story that intuitively doesn't sound legit to me:

If today is indeed your first day, how could U have already put in 13 hours? Not impossible, just suspect on that one...

Also, first days anywhere are rarely ever intense. Most 1st days at any new position are spent doing administrative paperwork, taking security pics, IT, introduction to team members, lunch etc. Even a CEO is subject to the same routine...

A principal, even in the most aggressive, die hard IB or PE shop would never toss you an insane model, even if you DID work 2 years prior at an IB.

This just doesn't jive... I'm the cynic.

Jan 6, 2018

One more thing...

If you are at a top tier PE house the likes of KKR, Blackstone etc. why would you RISK your first day getting distracting on the forum?

My yahoo email, the forum and all other "external" distractions would not be on my mind on my first day at such a distinguished new position!!

Jan 6, 2018

Although I'm contracted to xxx in NY, I'm currently in the London office.

My IT systems/admin issues were sorted before I joined (when I was on gardening leave) - lunch at a top-tier PE house? hell no dude, they've got 2 major billion-dollar transactions in execution phase at the moment, you got better chance of seeing tupac alive.

I was not 'tossed' a model - he asked me if I would like to have a go, I said yes (what the hell else could I say?)

Cynicysm is good, but I don't speak jive...

Jan 6, 2018

Nope, still doesn't jive with me.

I would not have time for the forum on my 1st day. (No offense folks)

That's just me - I'm of the character to go underground for a bit as I start a new position.

:-(

Jan 6, 2018

the word you are looking for is "jibe," u stupid bitch

Jan 6, 2018

guys, royal oak is an impostor.

now he's changed his profile and quietly deleted the university of reading information :-)

com'on, humor him, flatter him, ask questions...

Jan 6, 2018

Guess he pulled a dan bush.

Jan 6, 2018

maybe he is dan bush

Jan 6, 2018

Hey guys,

I just got a job as a Managing Director, M&A, Goldman Sachs with no experience, good grades or contacts. Today is my first day and I just made half a million. Thats a lesson for all of you!

Jan 6, 2018
Jason Borne:

Hey guys,

I just got a job as a Managing Director, M&A, Goldman Sachs with no experience, good grades or contacts. Today is my first day and I just made half a million. Thats a lesson for all of you!

gs has no muthafukin m&a group

Jan 6, 2018

I've dealt with some fairly data intensive spreadsheets before of around 25mb, but 90mb? I can't see a model being 90mb. I looked at a MS model just now that was 20 tabs, loaded with data and is dynamically generated with VBA. 5mb. If you have that much more data you should be using a relational database.

I call BS.

Account Inactive

Jan 6, 2018

I was a product control intern at LEH in London. The Total P&L file controllers use daily is about 150mb, so it's possible to have massive spreadsheets.

Jan 6, 2018

what kind of data goes into those huge spread sheets?

Jan 6, 2018

this particular spreadsheet contained data from all the trader's books (the ones that we were responsible for) for the fiscal year, and it was updated daily. I remember one of the sheets (out of way too many): the number of columns was constant, but the number of rows was up to something like 50000 when I left. I had never seen anything like that!

Jan 6, 2018

WOW. Even I call bullshit. You kids...

Jan 6, 2018

P&L is just loaded with pages and pages of crap, if you had decent formatting that takes it over 50mb easy, so I believe the 150mb, but then the computer will crash almost every 3 hours if you had a spreadsheet that size open.

I always deal with excel over 40mb, but if you learn to use clever links, good vlookups and avoid pivot tables and big charts, you can get it down to 25mb no problem.

maybe his 90mb file had tonnes of macros with VB scripts......

Jan 6, 2018

It did crash that often if we ran the wrong stuff while total P&L was opened! :D

Our VP had IT guys constantly checking the " efficiency" of the spreadsheet, it simply had to be that large (altough I agree with you, it's full of crap data). The Excel and VB coding were described to me as cutting edge.

Jan 6, 2018

I'm in a kinda similar position as Royal Oak, I've just secured a position as a 1st yr analyst in a BB. I'm from a non-target school in UK but managed to get an interview through some connections.

Jan 6, 2018

I am currently getting my MBA and have no finance experience. I realize it will be tough to break into IB, but it is good to hear a story of hard work paying off.

Jan 6, 2018

I'm bumping this 4 year old thread because all of you guys who didn't get that TMT gig at Goldman and think your life is over....you need to read this.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

Jan 6, 2018
happypantsmcgee:

I'm bumping this 4 year old thread because all of you guys who didn't get that TMT gig at Goldman and think your life is over....you need to read this.

Actually, this guy was a troll. He was the same one who started the thread about losing his job after lying about GPA.

He went from a UK undergrad to a UCSD student - number of other inconsistencies.

Jan 6, 2018

gupta23 I think that's the point, he is being sarcastic.

Jan 6, 2018

Haha, the guy just straight-up disappeared once people started calling him out...

Jan 6, 2018

This is great to hear.. you deserve every bit of your success!

Jan 6, 2018

Would also like to point out that even if this were true, it was in 2006 (aka: "The good 'ole days").

Jan 6, 2018

Lol yep, no bucking of the trend these days. And who knows if he is a troll, they sure hopped his bone like he was

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Jan 6, 2018

would you mind posting the 10 lessons for us? bernanke is just boring (and i'm feeling extremely lazy).

Jan 6, 2018
fez:

would you mind posting the 10 lessons for us? bernanke is just boring (and i'm feeling extremely lazy).

You don't have 114 seconds available to watch this video?

Jan 6, 2018
fez:

would you mind posting the 10 lessons for us? bernanke is just boring (and i'm feeling extremely lazy).

I agree. Here goes

1) Call your parents once in a while. A time will come when your children are hypersuccessful and you want them to call you. They are also the ones who pay your tuition

2) I can't imagine any choice more consequential for a lifelong journey than the choice of a traveling companion. (Get married).

3) Nobody likes to fail, but failure is an essential part of life and of learning.

4) A decision based only on money and not on love on the work is a recipe for unhappiness.

5) Economics is a highly sophisticated field of thought that is superb in explaining to policymakers precisely why the choices they made in the past were wrong. About the future, not so much.

6) Public service isn't easy, but if you are inclined in that direction it is a worthy and challenging pursuit.

7) People who have say, little formal schooling, but labor honestly and diligently to help feed, grow and educate their families are deserving of greater respect and help if necessary than people who are superficially more successful.

8) To whom much has been entrusted much will be demanded.

9) To whom much has been given, much will be required.

10) Life is unpredictable. Anyone who thinks they know where they will be in ten years is lacking imagination.

Jan 6, 2018

Hi TheROI, any of these topics helpful:

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  • More suggestions...

Who will rescue this thread? @Hugh Myron @WSO1212 @TheDukeofLizards

I hope those threads give you a bit more insight.

Jan 6, 2018

I only make things worse.

Jan 6, 2018

do you mean 20 years of career or of life? i suspect it's the latter and i suspect you and your maxims should take a hike

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Jan 6, 2018

GMAFB dude, you're 20. You haven't learned anything yet.

This place sometimes...

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Jan 6, 2018

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Dec 27, 2017
TheROI:

-Sales is about qualifying the prospect to see if they are willing to be sold. After they are, it's all about your execution in that you must tailor your product/service and it's solution to their problems/needs.

Sales is about closing. Always Be Closing.

TheROI:

-Sales is all about emotion, not logic.

Huh?

TheROI:

-Complaining is a waste of time as it doesn't solve the problem or accomplish anything.

Complaining is one of the most valuable tools businesses have to re-align consumer demands with the changing market conditions.

TheROI:

-Arguing is a waste of time as 99% of the time you won't change anyone's opinion but it guarantees spent time and energy.

Research has shown that arguing is an important part of successful business/project development. In the initial stages, when the team is discussing the future outcome of a project, it is important for all members to voice their ideas and make an active argument for their thoughts. In this manner, all voices will be heard before the commencement of the project. Even if total votes, or a decision by the team lead turns down their argument or request, the stage of arguing is an important one for the continued success of the team. Without this stage in the initial development of a project, certain employees may exhibit backlash or lack of interest to the project at hand.

Also, in general, arguing is a fantastic tool in life to not only solidify your own points, but enable others to question their own ideas. All in good taste, my lad.

Cheers.

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

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Jan 6, 2018

Just realised I like reading your comments

Absolute truths don't exist... celebrated opinions do.

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Jan 6, 2018

You mentioned sales twice. Other than a possible internship or summer gig, have you even had a job in sales before?

Jan 6, 2018

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Jan 6, 2018

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Dec 27, 2017

Why do anonymous posters erase their posts? Like, we already don't know who the person is at all, and now we don't know an unknown persons posts? lol

"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee

Jan 6, 2018

Nice post. Are you sure subject 2 wasn't my friend? He's pretty short and just amazing at basketball. Made a fool out of all the inner city guys we used to play with back in college. I, on the other hand, dribble as if I have a football in my hand.

Jan 6, 2018

As a long-time basketball player, I loved the post. Good job.

Jan 6, 2018

I'm pretty much subject #1, i play a lot, have all the new gear, but I suck.

Jan 6, 2018

The fact that subject 1 had an arm sleeve and a leg sleeve should have told you that the guy was terrible. No legitimate player really wears that stuff unless you're 50 years old and actually need "gear" or you're overcompensating for your lack of game lol

Jan 6, 2018
wso929292:

The fact that subject 1 had an arm sleeve and a leg sleeve should have told you that the guy was terrible. No legitimate player really wears that stuff unless you're 50 years old and actually need "gear" or you're overcompensating for your lack of game lol

The funny thing is that I had written exactly this but decided to erase it since it was kind of beside the point. I totally agree for the most part. To be fair to Subject 1, this was before arm and leg sleeves were just an annoying fashion statement made by the kids whose parents could afford them. Also, I wore a padded elbow sleeve on my shooting arm for a while because of some tendinitis that would flair up when I overextended my elbow shooting 20+ foot shots. The pad prevented the elbow from overextending and had the added benefit of helping me learn better form.

But overall, you're absolutely right. Should have been the first warning sign, of which there were very few.

Jan 6, 2018
wso929292:

The fact that subject 1 had an arm sleeve and a leg sleeve should have told you that the guy was terrible. No legitimate player really wears that stuff unless you're 50 years old and actually need "gear" or you're overcompensating for your lack of game lol

Truth. What a tool.

Jan 6, 2018

Wait, are you Ron Shelton or did this really happen? Did the guy have a rock handle like Van Exel? For every anomaly or example of "don't judge a book by its cover" there are 10 examples of your first instinct/impression being spot on but I do think your story provides a valuable lesson.

Jan 6, 2018

Hahahaha, he hit you with the Okie doke. I've seen it happen quite a few times. The tell tell sign is the aloofness, he doesn't care to cater to your initial judgement cause he wants you to think he's garbage. It makes it that much sweeter when he balls you up.

If you can't kill them with kindness, just kill them.

Jan 6, 2018
2Shae:

Hahahaha, he hit you with the Okie doke. I've seen it happen quite a few times. The tell tell sign is the aloofness, he doesn't care to cater to your initial judgement cause he wants you to think he's garbage. It makes it that much sweeter when he balls you up.

Totally. The funny thing is, that's my game too so I should have recognized it. I always have the latest shoes because I'm addicted to Nike, but other than that I don't look like I can ball. It's how I got to run with the group in the first place.

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Jan 6, 2018

Also, don't judge from ppl's free throws.

Jan 6, 2018

Great post, thanks. Definitely reminds me of this ...

Jan 6, 2018

Great vid. While we're on basketball, might as well bring back Uncle Drew.

"Those who know don't tell and those who tell don't know." - Michael Lewis

Jan 6, 2018
kraziazi:

Great post, thanks. Definitely reminds me of this ...

Damn you! I was going post this. This video is so accurate when it comes to pick-up games.

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Jan 6, 2018

Great story! Now, just need everyone else to have that same epiphany.

Jan 6, 2018

As a long time b-ball player, this is a great story. In general, I think there are SOOOOO many parallels between basketball and life (not just in finance). I mean, I talked about this parallel in my undergrad on campus interviews, in my MBA essays, and MBA interviews because I truly believe it. I also think kids that grow up playing b-ball, on average, tend to be better in group work situations. I'll leave it at that for now, otherwise I'll get too carried away and end up posting my grad school essays.

Jan 6, 2018

As important of a lesson as this might be, I'm quite surprised it took so long for you to figure it out. You see this with money all the time. There is usually a good chance that the person driving the sports car and living in the huge house is leveraged to their teeth. You also see all these high school/university students who believe that True Religion, LV, and other brands give off the perception of wealth and success. Chances are that they work a part-time job and closely monitor the balance in their account.

P.S. I really don't like your use of the word 'run.' It gives off the perception that you think you're too good for us lowly basketball noobs.

Jan 6, 2018
ERMonkey:

As important of a lesson as this might be, I'm quite surprised it took so long for you to figure it out. You see this with money all the time. There is usually a good chance that the person driving the sports car and living in the huge house is leveraged to their teeth. You also see all these high school/university students who believe that True Religion, LV, and other brands give off the perception of wealth and success. Chances are that they work a part-time job and closely monitor the balance in their account.

P.S. I really don't like your use of the word 'run.' It gives off the perception that you think you're too good for us lowly basketball noobs.

First of all, congrats on your first WSO post. 3 other things:

1. I assure you I did not live 20 years of life without knowing these things, although sometimes it takes the right time, place, and circumstances for something to really click. Also, it sounds better to say "that day I learned..." than "that day I came up with a good anecdote to explain something that I had always known".

2. Sidetracking: True Religion has to be the gaudiest, most atrocious brand of denim ever. Two words: Guy Fieri.

3. You gotta write what you know. "Run" is just what we say, and I think it's pretty common. However, I really didn't mean for it to sound exclusive or superior. Especially since, while I've very confident in my ball skills, we most likely have some ex-NCAA basketball players on these boards who would wipe the floor with me worse than Subject 2 did.

Let me be among the first to say welcome to WSO, however, and I hope it helps you as much as it has me. Hopefully you won't feel so patronized with my next post :).

Jan 6, 2018

+1 SBed. Def watched this situation play out many times myself. Still remember one of the guys at my local 24 hour fitness that everyone thought was a joke first time they played with him. Literally about 5'3" skinny white kid. But he could hit any shot within 35 ft of the basket and had the quickest release I've ever seen.

More basketball posts. They don't even have to teach a valuable life lesson :)

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Jan 6, 2018
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+1 SBed. Def watched this situation play out many times myself. Still remember one of the guys at my local 24 hour fitness that everyone thought was a joke first time they played with him. Literally about 5'3" skinny white kid. But he could hit any shot within 35 ft of the basket and had the quickest release I've ever seen.

More basketball posts. They don't even have to teach a valuable life lesson :)

You asked for it, you'll get it! I love writing basketball.

Jan 6, 2018

I only clicked because I thought this was about picking up girls.

Jan 6, 2018

RIP Sandy Lyle

Jan 6, 2018

Beautiful post.

Jan 6, 2018
Dreizzy:

Beautiful post.

Thanks for your compliment.

Jan 6, 2018

Heh, great post - I was a little surprised to see the pick-up artist thing - but hey, glad it worked for you.

Jan 6, 2018
SymphonyBanker:

Heh, great post - I was a little surprised to see the pick-up artist thing - but hey, glad it worked for you.

There is a correlation between success with women and success with career.
I really learned a lot from David DeAngelo.
Check out this free video on YouTube.
The talk is on "Being a Man". Pretty impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSbFFZcy1UI&list=PL...

Jan 6, 2018

Great post brah

Jan 6, 2018

Awesome post, #10 is key

Jan 6, 2018

Great post! I think this is one of the better "list" posts in a long time

Jan 6, 2018

I agree on the PUA thing

Jan 6, 2018

this is great, thanks. Is Human the guy with the website designed to help guys meet girls? I remember seeing it mentioned a few months ago.

Jan 6, 2018

thanks for the post, human!

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"You stop being an asshole when it sucks to be you." - IlliniProgrammer

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