I thought banking paid well??

I just got an offer for a summer analyst position at a middle market investment bank in New York.

I was very excited until I saw the hourly wage rate. $12/hr.

Is this typical?

Thanks everyone.

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$12/hr is not bad.

12*90 hrs/wk *10 wks= 10800

You'll get $11k for the summer if you're worked moderately hard.

127010= 8400

You'll get $8.4k for the summer if you get an easy work load.

 
randombetch$12/hr is not bad.

12*90 hrs/wk *10 wks= 10800

You'll get $11k for the summer if you're worked moderately hard.

127010= 8400

You'll get $8.4k for the summer if you get an easy work load.

Thanks for the math lesson bro

 
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randombetch$12/hr is not bad.

12*90 hrs/wk *10 wks= 10800

You'll get $11k for the summer if you're worked moderately hard.

127010= 8400

You'll get $8.4k for the summer if you get an easy work load.

Thanks for the math lesson bro

You're a douche, spencer. The guy was just trying to be explicit.

I disagree with what someone said above about unpaid/low wages being indicative of a crappy internship. I've had paid gigs that sucked, and unpaid ones that provided great experience, albeit not on the level that an official summer analyst gig adds to your resume. With smaller firms, there will be more variation with internship experiences, and pay will vary too. The experience could suck, or you could do cool stuff that could mitigate the lack of brand-name you're getting - that should be the biggest concern, not pay...unless you literally can't afford to support yourself at all given the wage level, and parents won't subsidize you - in that case it's def. an issue.

 

It should be a flat weekly rate. Some banks show you what the hourly rate is, but that usually doesn't mean much. I get paid $33 an hour, but they only count it for 8 hours so I could be in the office 60 or 80 hours and my pay won't change.

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I agree with SHORTmyCDO the experience is worth way more! BUT my first finance internship I was getting 18/hr + time and half overtime. I would work 60hr weeks.

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I understand that the experience is great and I am extremely thankful; however, all SA comp I ever read about is 60K or 70K prorated or $15-20/hr with a $1,000 housing/relocation bonus. So I was just curious and wondering if anybody else had compensation similar to this.

 

In my (nonbanking) sophomore internship I was getting 4250 monthly for 3 months, working 40 hrs a week, and had a 1300 relocation assistance. In my (nonbanking) junior internship I was getting 5100 monthly for a little over 3 months (started right after school), working 9/80 (every other Friday off) and also got a 1300 relocation assistance. IMO, experience from an internship that does not pay well is not likely to be very valuable; if it was an important project and they were looking for the most qualified, they would have paid a competitive salary.

More is good, all is better
 

Yeah for a BB not an MM. I personally wouldn't try to negotiate. But think about this way, if you don't have the internships on your resume once you apply for full time chances of you getting the job are pretty slim.

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As an analyst or intern you are a price taker not really a price maker...take it or leave it. Many before you took unpaid internships to get a foot in the door.

Investopedia explains Price-Taker 1. In the context of the stock market, individual investors are price-takers.

  1. Suppose you sell water, which of course is supplied by millions of other places, including the sky. If you decide to set the price of a gallon of your water at $10, you will likely sell nothing because this commodity is readily available elsewhere for a much cheaper price (insert analyst or intern).

Enjoy the city vist scores etc...

 

is this FO work or BO/MO? if FO i would say do it (if you have no other offers) because then you can leverage off of your experience to move laterally to another firm.. hell i would it right now if it meant getting valuable FO experience and contacts.. but.. if its BO/MO then there are MANY programs that pay 20-25 p/h with 1-2K in relocation bonus

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That's low for front office, but if it's a small bank they could just shaft people like that. The important thing is that you are getting an internship and getting some experience... there are plenty of kids who would take that for free.

 

There isn't a possible way you can live off of solely that in NYC for a Summer. Hope your rents are helping you out or you have some cash saved up. NYC us expensive as hell. Your $ goes 3x as far in Houston. Literally.

Life is more than dollars
 

OP, you're an intern. They don't pay you very much. Basically, you want this position so that you can get an analyst position after college. That pay will be much better (although still somewhat low hourly), and more importantly, you'll have great experience/exit-ops.

 

I beat everyone else out at the interview by offering to do my first internship for free, and some of them were MUCH more qualified than me. Now I'm FT and some of them are still looking for jobs. You need to cultivate the reputation as being a deranged motherfucker who gets shit done and gets paid.

How bad do you want it?

Get busy living
 
UFOinsider You need to cultivate the reputation as being a deranged motherfucker

Not sure I would recommend this...

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UFOinsider You need to cultivate the reputation as being a deranged motherfucker

Not sure I would recommend this...

lol

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I haven't heard of a FO internship at a decent MM or BB bank that doesn't pay a first year analyst salary prorated, so I would have a hard time settling for less even though it is an internship. Yes, you are gaining very valuable experience, but in theory they are also gaining a valuable possible future FT analyst. Just because it's an internship doesn't mean you should have to settle for sub-par pay.

 

obviously it's not optimal pay but you're an intern--you take what you can. and if it's an easyish workload, then you might fare a little better/it would make more sense. still, it'd be hard or impossible to live in manhattan

 

If you really want it, go for it.

The money is just something temporary that you will have to deal with.

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I did an unpaid internship at a regional M&A boutique during the fall quarter of my senior year (my summer internship wasn't in banking). Most of my work was mundane (database building), but I did get exposure to pitchbook work and some very limited modeling. This was my only option in banking at the time and well worth it IMO. I've later used my experience at the firm as a big selling point when interviewing for IB, financial advisory, and corporate finance roles.

Although it sucks that your buddies at Big 4 or BB fims may be raking in $20-$30 an hour, you should go with it if it's your only choice. I've been asked a lot of questions about my IB internship in interviews, and none of them were "how much did they pay you?".

Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?
 

You want to talk about shitty pay? Try being a shoe salesman to fat women with a wife that steals from your wallet while you sleep, a social loser of a son and a whore of a daughter!

No but seriously, if you hate your pay that much, I'll take your internship off your hands for ya.

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Al BundyYou want to talk about shitty pay? Try being a shoe salesman to fat women with a wife that steals from your wallet while you sleep, a social loser of a son and a whore of a daughter!

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You are being harsh. Open-minded, popular, and friendly. Is she 18 yet?

More is good, all is better
 

OP must be a low hanging fruit type. $12/hr for some bullet points is worth it - you're getting invaluable experience.

Get a lawyer, hit the gym, delete your facebook, etc

 

If they will pay you even straight time over 40 hours, be thankful- at least you will be getting paid every minute you are there.

I would love to go the consulting route- you get paid for what you work. This means that your employer has an incentive to not stop by at 4:00 on Friday and dump a shitload of work on you, and if he does, you are getting PAID to do it. The way I look at it, you win either way. After many years of late nights with the only hope for redemption being that the end of year number is going to be good... hourly work starts looking pretty sweet after awhile.

 
someotherguyI would love to go the consulting route- you get paid for what you work. This means that your employer has an incentive to not stop by at 4:00 on Friday and dump a shitload of work on you, and if he does, you are getting PAID to do it. The way I look at it, you win either way. After many years of late nights with the only hope for redemption being that the end of year number is going to be good... hourly work starts looking pretty sweet after awhile.

I thought consultants are also on salary? I mean, I understand that they bill hours in consulting -- but it still seems like your boss might come by and drop a bunch of work on you, since he doesn't have to pay you anymore.

 
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I know CS had some unpaid FO internships last year at least for summers, some larger banks will do it, however almost all BB's will be prorated. Beyond that, I know plenty of kids who worked for nothing or next to nothing, got a FT offer and now make 60-80k starting, its worth it in my mind as long as you can survive... if parents cant help you out then you need to reconsider though, it will be tough to not only make it through the summer on that much but the upcoming school year as well. Good luck man!

 

I believe the experience is invaluable if you want to break into IB. I turned down a $24/hour plus $1500 living bonus for a back office internship at JPMorgan, and accepted a $14/hour SA position at a middle market bank. I believe I made the right decision especially knowing it is what I would like to do upon graduation.

 

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