Q&A: Left IB to Start My Own Company

Hello Monkeys!

As a quick background, I broke into investment banking from a non-target school in the midwest ~5 years ago. Since then I've learned a ton about the industry and about myself, and Wall Street Oasis was instrumental in helping me get up to speed quickly to win that offer, so I'd love to give back. 

I spent ~2 years at a large MM IB in Chicago working in what is essentially LevFin, then I transferred to San Francisco to help build out our tech M&A practice on the west coast. I really valued my time in IB and am super grateful to the firm and my old coworkers for everything they invested in me. I got to know our C-Suite well, worked on high profile projects across the firm, and spent (surprisingly) very little of my time pitching and a lot of time working on live engagements.

I left IB about a year ago to start my own consulting company with 2 friends (one also ex-IB and one ex-MBB). It's been a pretty wild ride since then, and we've worked with some really interesting clients from large venture-funded software startups to rapidly expanding cannabis companies. 

In addition to consulting, one of my partners and I joined forces with a software engineering friend of mine (glad I spent time in SF!) to develop a web app that significantly expedites the financial modeling and valuation process for M&A transactions while eliminating errors. We had been playing around with the idea of this product for several years, and leaving IB finally gave us the time to dive in and build something valuable. We're working on our first customer sales now!

Anyways, that was a bit of an information dump. Would love to hear from everyone. What are your plans / aspirations? Any questions I can answer?


Summary

  • Broke into MM IB from a non-target school
  • Spent ~4 years in LevFin and Tech M&A
  • Left to start my own consulting practice with ex-IB and ex-MBB friends of mine
  • Developed an automated financial modeling tool for investment banks
 

Thanks! Honestly most of our engagements up to this point have come through relationships (for example I mentioned the software and cannabis companies... we have C-suite connections at both of those). That said, there are a few other ways we are planning to source engagements going forward: 1) using our experience thus far to pitch additional companies in those industries, and 2) we all went to the same uni and have strong ties around the area, so we may use that network to find some gigs as well.

Additionally, there are a few websites for finding M&A or consulting work (TopTal, Catalant, Graphite, Upwork). One of our partners used them when he was freelancing on his own before we linked up. 

 

Hey Video Tape - if you want to dm me I'd love to get some more specific feedback that came out of the demo. We've done demos throughout the development of LBO Calculator, starting with when we only had a very simple DCF and our "full" modeling suite was more of a concept. We're finishing the buildout of our core modeling suite soon, and the output of that will be every bit as sophisticated as the models I built in IB (in my opinion).

That said, we've specifically held off on building what I think are some core functionalities of the product (output to PPT, for example) because those really need to be tailored to the client. The goal of our product is for an analyst / associate to be able to hit "calculate" then directly paste our charts, tables, graphs, etc. into their new business presentation, and that only happens if our outputs match your firm's formatting.

Anyways, I'd love to connect! Let me know if you want to discuss anything. 

 

Thanks so much doing this Q&A! Congrats on starting your own consulting firm. 

I'd love to learn more on the following:

1) What's your sales / marketing process for gaining the first few customers? Did you rub shoulders with them from your previous roles? How long was the sales cycle typically?

2) Can you elaborate on how the web app expedites the financial modelling / valuation process if it's not to confidential? Since there's so many input factors, how would a financial model be able to account for that? And where would you get the data to train the model in the first place?

I'm actually currently making my vision board for 2022 so I'm figuring out what my aspirations are for this year lol. Although it would roughly fall under having fun, building / deepening relationships, and working towards financial independence. In 2021, I had a lot of free time to spend with friends and on hobbies so I'd like to continue prioritizing that path. I realized that I don't have a passion for working in any particular field the way some people do, so I'm focused on working with people I like, improving transferable skills, and increasing my net worth rather than 'finding the next best role'. 

 

1) Our first few customers did come through our networks (both within IB and personally). For example, a client I worked with contacted me after I left because his friend needed someone to help with a rollup strategy (lots of M&A work). We've also been connected through other friends that are still working in IB or PE, and I have a fairly large startup / VC network from being in San Francisco that we've found some work through. All that said, we are thinking about trying to grow our base and doing some broader marketing starting this year. I will have to let you know how that goes.

2) Yes definitely! What we've done is essentially pulled all the assumptions into an online dashboard. There are dropdowns and other checkboxes for the specific things you need, or don't need. An analyst will typically go through and fill in the main information, then the deal team can access it to review everything in one tab or make changes. The time saving really comes from a few places: 1) All the math happens on our end, so when you export your model to excel, you know that all the formulas are correct every time (as an associate or VP you don't need to dig through excel to check everything, just take a look at the assumptions to decide if they make sense), 2) we can also customize charts, graphs, tables, etc. by the client, so that when you export a model, you can also export everything you need in PPT for a pitch presentation. This makes your turns go a lot faster because you're not manually going in and updating everything throughout the pitch.

Sounds like you are figuring things out! Your relationships (both business and personal) are the most important things in life in my opinion. Hope you find something fulfilling. Feel free to reach out if you want to chat. 

 

Thanks for your detailed reply, your ventures into something more entrepreneurial seems like it's taking off! It sounds like you had a pretty solid network which valued what you brought to the table from having worked with you / referrals from before. The web app actually makes a lot of sense and I can imagine that it would have applications even in other industries outside IB with certain tweaks like insurance, consulting, RE, etc.

I totally agree that your relationships in life are the most important and fulfilling. I'd love to connect with you to chat - I'll connect via dm. 

 

Thus far we've been fairly generalist. Personally I've done a lot of buyside M&A work (deal negotiations, valuation, arranging financing, etc.), business development (worked on lining up partners ahead of a software product launch), strategic planning and market analysis (when and how to enter new markets, financial forecasting, etc.). We've also worked on salesforce integrations, capital raises, and a few other things. 

 

How is this different from modano? Would have thought that differences in types of business would prevent using same type of template. If it's back of envelope calc, why can't it be done on back of envelope?

How come both the start up and consulting pages of your business only show 1 employee and not your MBB friend etc?

Who is your target market? Banks themselves? Or businesses who can't afford conventional advisors? To my earlier point seems like a company like Modano already has good position with established product in this space. 

Btw hope I don't sound like an asshole I truly wish you luck and success. I've always had a bit of paralysis on starting the business because I'm always thinking "how is my offering truly differentiated from competition? How is it better? Or how is it able to compete on price?" How did you manage to get over such thoughts other than having loads of self belief? 

 

Not at all these are great questions.

1) Modano is a great product, and I think it makes a lot of sense to use as an operator, or someone in the finance department at a company. Our product is really focused more directly on expediting financial modeling for M&A transactions. We're not building a highly detailed operating model that would be used internally, but rather something that will have a high level 3-statement, LBO, and DCF that can be leveraged for building your marketing materials. As far as different business models, we've tried to be pretty thoughtful about making the product moldable to different industries, capital structures, etc. by building in drop downs and other ways to customize the model as you are inputting your assumptions. 

2) Ha, honestly we just haven't paid much attention to LinkedIn tbh. We also have our own individual LLCs for solo engagements in addition to marketing as a team.

3) For the software product our target market is banks, smaller advisory shops, maybe some smaller PE (they've mostly looked at it for back of the envelope or quick deal evaluation), and transaction focused consulting firms. 

4) Like I said earlier, you don't sound like an asshole at all these are great things to think through. I think in our case we are aiming to solve a different problem than Modano, which is that building the model every time you have a new deal or pitch is a pain in the ass, and costly mistakes are sometimes made (the analyst screws up the signs on the cash flow statement, or there are leftover relics in the model from an old deal, etc.). We're trying to fix those issues and lower costs by making it faster, easier, and error proof in a very specific niche (new deals for investment banks and consulting firms).

 

Thanks I think I now understand the proposition you're talking about. I don't work in banking but have to admit I'm surprised most teams don't have this. We built something similar (albeit not fully automated and much less complex) for our consulting firm - primarily taking figures from capiq and putting them into a tear sheet with graphical output. Presume could have taken it further with 3s modelling and DCF Etc.

Agreed the painful bit will be to ensure that its always aligning with company / client  formatting 

 

Hey thanks for sharing,

Do you think starting you career in IB helps at all for being an entrepreneur? 

Do you think starting in IB helps for ultimately breaking into VC? 

Also, do you ever wish you would have gotten technical, assuming you aren't? 

 
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1. First, yes, absolutely. The "entrepreneurial" things I'm doing now all relate pretty directly to my experience in IB (consulting and building software for M&A). Now, I do think that is true of basically any industry you are in (the people best suited to be entrepreneurial / create something new in any industry are those who have already been working in that space). I will also say though that I think IB does prepare you to think about businesses and market opportunities in a really objective way, and working with founders / management teams is inspiring.

2. Yes, I do think it helps with working in VC, but you would want to be in a TMT coverage group ideally. Also, the easiest transition would be to tech-related buyout or growth equity. The really early stage VC firms are probably looking for a slightly different skill set (technical, media, product management / development, etc.). I did freelance work with an early stage VC a few years back, but never really looked too hard into that path, so take this advice with a grain of salt.

3. Yes, I'd love to be technical. It would make me way better & faster during product development. However, I'm never going to be a great programmer (it's not my personality nor will I spend enough time doing it), so instead I'm focusing on my strengths and working with technical co-founders. 

 

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