3.8 From Non-Target?!
Is a 3.8 from a non-target make you stand out at all or is it pretty much barely making the acceptable cut?
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You need more than grades to be noticed by the banks.
no shit sherlock, but i was just talkin about if the grades themselves are impressive assuming if u have all the other relevent internships, etc.
tip for your interview, leave out the sarcasm!
A 3.8 from a non-target, second rate school is nothing special.
What exactly is considered a "second-rate" school in the eyes of the Ibanking world anyway?
i had a 3.8+ from a good non-target (good school in many respects, but not a target for wall street) and I got an offer from a MM bank in NYC. It also came down to this last bank otherwise I wouldn't be in banking. Had only two interviews at BB's one of which only took one person back after on campus interviews.
It is indeed tough, but not impossible. the others are right, you need to be the cream of the crop from your respective non-target.
but back to the original question, a 3.8 is certainly respectable. as long as you have access to interviews and have good interviewing skills, you will have a shot.
It's good enough to pass the bar, but not good enough to be a selling point.
3.8 is gonna get you a job!
BB? Well maybe? Not necessarily. But you will get a job. Does that make you feel better, huh, should we read you a bed time story. Need to take a nap? huh? Go play with your investment banker action figures.
Do'nt come to this board with your insecurities, you already know this shit with 128 monkey points.
Go do some cool shit:"
study abroad badass internships start a company travel the world found an orphanage in ethiopia get involved with a microcredit non-profit
Think creatively, get off this board. If you still think I'm silly, read a chapter on mean reversion and how this board and that concept inter-relate.
I once read an article where a recruiter from ML specifically said they try to weed out applicants with "caring" extracurricular activities such as "Starting an orphanage in Ethiopia". Is this true?
screw those pussy-faced bastards! Weeding out AK-47 arms dealers to africa makes more sense!
Merril really isn't the gold standard now is it?
Although I do wish I had bought a few shares at 65 back in December 05.
Not to say this board sin't helpful, but your question can't be fully answered here.
goldson, what's your majors?
Dude after what I've been through, the answer is not only will you not stand out, you won't get an interview. I have a 3.8/4.0 and three 4.0/4.0 in my triple major gpas (at my current school, North Dakota State University) and got no responses. Thanks to the people on this board though, I'm now on the right track. I'm going to graduate early (already furfilled my reqs) and get a Masters in Finance from the University of Maryland. From there, I will finally be able to furfill my dream of working at Goldman Sachs TMT.
I thought you had a 3.98 overall. what is it LUDVIG!!!!
you're funny ludvig
Omg, when are you kids gonna learn that GPA doesn't get you an interview? GPA is the basic cutoff, emphasis on cutoff. A bad GPA can cost you the interview, and a good GPA won't guarantee an interview.
Anything that is not Ivy League, Stanford, Duke, MIT, NYU Stern
yeah, you got it man. Michigan is totally a "second rate" feeder into investment banking.
Prospie, Michigan is not considered a target school. Good luck.
I'm coming from NDSU, which most consider to be better than Michigan in academics (not football) and still didn't get any replies.
HAHAHA, who are these 'most' you speak of. Not adcom, and not the street.
Oh, you must mean ND state natives.
God you are a fucking idiot. Michigan not a target? Michigan is top ten in terms of Wall Street placements.
Good luck with your bullshit MA at Maryland. News Flash - Goldman TMT is not going to hire you after that program. You will be lucky to get an interview with Wachovia...
If I were you I would strongly consider a career selling beer coozies on the beach in Mexico.
Are you serious Ludvig? NDSU doesn't have anything on Ann Arbor.
Lol. Lud, you really don't know much about quality do you...
My basic gyst was to not be the typical gay ass USA wannabe who interns at X, Y, Z...but who still is worthless.
Do something cool, but be creative and diligent with what you choose.
you have to remember that relevant internship experience is crucial from non-target schools.
Who gives a flying hoot if you went to so and so country or helped at this orphanage. Your trying to convince the bank that you are as good as the target kids and there is no better way to do that than to get prior internship experience in finance hopefully at a well-regarded firm.
I could jack off on a piece of paper, hand it in and get a 3.98 at North Dakota State.
Not this whole NDS argument again, but tier 1 schools are basically Ivies, Duke, Stanford, MIT, UVA, MICH, Stern...maybe Northwestern/Berkeley if you're really lenient
Northwestern and Berkley if your really lenient?
Yes, for undergraduate ibanking recruiting Northwestern and Berkeley are not as heavily recruited, but at the MBA level Northwestern's Kellog School and Berkeley's Haas are both very heavily recruited for Ibanking.
Yea, I meant undergrad. And Northwestern/Berkeley/Chicago...etc are all tier 1 schools...maybe I should have distinguished between Uber targets and targets
Texas either BHP or NON-BHP, but McCombs is a target or non-target?
work the alumni connections with your school. that with a great resume and leadership can get you in the door, barring you can interview
Poolside,
Guess you didn't hear, but University of Maryland is ranked by US News & World Report as one of the top 25 B-schools in the country.
What makes you think I won't get hired by Goldman TMT?
My academic accomplishments so far (3.98 overall, 4.0 in three majors) combined with a finance background (MS in Finance from U-Maryland) should make the type of well-rounded candidate Goldman Sachs TMT looks for (at least that's what I've been told).
Guess you didn't hear, but US News' B-school rankings don't mean much to anyone.
And as to why you're not gonna have much of a shot at GS TMT (or most places): you think a well-rounded candidate is someone with a high GPA and a MS in finance. That's kinda the opposite of a well-rounded candidate...
You better have more than a good GPA and a masters in finance from tier 2 and 3 schools...because I think the masters puts you on the same "level" as all the target candidates; so you better have some bombass XC's to back it up.
...in addition to being a pretty fucking cool person to hang out with.
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